[04:54] <wickedheadache> Hi is it possible to switch to ubuntu from xubuntu 12.10? i can't install any new software in xubuntu...it's driving me nuts
[04:55] <Unit193> You can't install new software, because 12.10 is eol...
[04:55] <Unit193> !eolupgrades
[04:58] <wickedheadache> so can i run sudo apt-get upgrade?
[04:59] <wickedheadache> or do i absolutely have to edit the sources list for each upgrade?
[05:01] <holstein> wickedheadache: you shouldnt just edit the sources
[05:01] <wickedheadache> nuts
[05:01] <holstein> wickedheadache: 12.10's repos are not up anymore.. its not part of what is provided for us/you as part of the agreement for 12.10
[05:02] <wickedheadache> i thought it was extended cause 12 was so awesome xD
[05:02] <holstein> wickedheadache: 12.04 is LTS..
[05:02] <holstein> lts = long term support
[05:02] <wickedheadache> aw i got the wrong version
[05:02] <wickedheadache> oh well
[05:02] <holstein> wickedheadache: you are welcome to support 12.10, as long as you please.. but, ubuntu is not supporting it anymore
[05:02] <wickedheadache> hehe
[05:03] <wickedheadache> I wish i could actually fully support an os all by myself
[05:03] <holstein> literally nothing is stopping you.. but, i think you'll find it easier, and more constructive to just download, and install 14.04
[05:03] <holstein> !14.04
[05:04] <wickedheadache> i didn't do that cause there was no cd-rom image, and the one i did find was 740mb not less then 700
[05:04] <holstein> !mini
[05:04] <wickedheadache> all i had was 700mb cd-rs
[05:04] <wickedheadache> argh
[05:05] <holstein> wickedheadache: ^ there, you will find *small* isos for supported versions that fit on cd's..
[05:05] <wickedheadache> i should of come ehre first instead of googleing and searching
[07:01] <daidwister> is there an easy uograde path from Trusty Tahr 14.04 LTS to 14.10?
[07:01] <daidwister> *upgrade
[07:05] <baizon> yes, update manager should be fine
[07:05] <baizon> @daidwister
[07:46] <daidwister> ok, thanks
[07:46] <daidwister> so, no do-release-upgrade ?
[08:06] <Affenarsch> spricht jemand deutsch?
[08:07] <Unit193> !de | Affenarsch
[12:46] <natuzi> When I run apt-get autoremove, it shows me linux-image-generic. Can I remove it?
[12:46] <cfhowlett> natuzi, yes
[12:47] <baizon> natuzi: this are the old kernels, yes you can remove them
[12:49] <natuzi> I see, old kernels. It is remplaced by what? I mean the name of the packet.
[12:49] <baizon> natuzi: with an updated version
[12:50] <natuzi> I understand but the name of the packet, what is it?
[12:50] <baizon> natuzi: it depends, i think it's linux-image-generic-lts-utopic
[12:52] <natuzi> I don't have this packet, is it linux-image-3...-generic?
[12:52] <koegs> natuzi: apt-get autoremove tells you the name...
[12:53] <natuzi> And is it normal if I have many linux-image-3...-generic packets?
[12:53] <natuzi> koegs: It just tells me linux-image-generic
[12:53] <natuzi> Sorry for my questions, I just want to understand.
[12:55] <colp2> linux-image-generic should not be removed. It essnetially a placeholder  for the "current" for apt-get install.
[12:55] <colp2> linux-image-3... can be removed, it is a specific version that is replaced by some other version
[12:55] <koegs> oh, ok, natuzi, i thought he wants to remove the other packages, linux-image-generic should be kept
[12:55] <natuzi> I see the old version of the kernel is named linux-image-generic and the new one is linux-image-generic-3.16.0-31-generic.
[12:56] <koegs> natuzi: are you trying to install the HWE-Kernel?
[12:57] <koegs> read: utopic-kernel for trusty?
[12:58] <natuzi> I'm just trying to understand if I must remove linux-image-generic or not. I'm asking this question because I saw on the Internet that having mutiple versions of the kernel is a good thing because if I have a problem with a version of the kernel, I can run the system with a previous version.
[12:59] <koegs> correct, ubuntu normally keeps the latest-version and the version before and normally linux-image-generic will be kept as installed, as long as you don't do something manually
[12:59] <koegs> linux-image-generic will be removed and replaced by linux-image-generic-lts-utopic for example, if you manually install Kernel 3.16 in 14.04
[13:01] <natuzi> If I have Xubuntu 14.10, that means when I'll remove linux-image-generic, it will be remplaced by linux-image-generic-lts-utopic and linux-image-generic-3.16.0-31-generic will be kept too?
[13:03] <knome> natuzi, don't remove it, it's a meta package.
[13:03] <colp2> first install hardware enablement stack / kernel 3.16, after that you remove linux-image-generic
[13:04] <colp2> AFAIK removing linux-image-generic will not automatically install the 3.16/lts-utopic
[13:08] <natuzi> Ok, I'll just keep it and assume apt-get is wrong. Thank you, guys.
[13:45] <Greylocks> Is there an xbuntu-next or can problems with vivid be reported here?
[13:45] <Pici> Greylocks: #ubuntu+1 is for all flavors of Ubuntu
[13:46] <GridCube> ^ yes, but also #xubuntu-devel
[13:46] <Greylocks> Pici: thanks:)
[13:46] <Pici> GridCube: right.  I always forget that #xubuntu-devel is user friendly... #ubuntu-devel... not so much.
[13:46] <Greylocks> GridCube: thank you too
[13:47] <GridCube> Pici: if they are running as beta testers they are indirect part of devel P: and they report of issues is what devel needs
[13:47] <GridCube> if no one reports issues then how can someone fix them?
[13:47] <GridCube> :D
[13:48] <elfy> and following a thread on the m/l - in here once Beta arrives, which it has
[13:49] <Pici> o
[13:49]  * Pici stands corrected
[13:49] <elfy> :)
[13:49] <GridCube> :D dont worry Pici you where correct, for most issues #ubuntu+1 is the place
[13:50] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-November/010471.html
[13:50] <elfy> yep
[13:51] <Pici> Well, we wouldn't throw you out if you asked an Xubuntu question in #ubuntu+1, fwiw :)
[14:17] <xubuntu874> hey guys, I need some help. I deleted by mistake some plug-ins from the control panel at the upper frame of the desktop (in German it´s called Leiste). I lost the possiblity to controll the volume which is connected to gmusicbrowser as well as the battery status and the pidgin-status-contoll-box. I don´t know how to restore all of this in its original state. Can you please help me?
[14:19] <cfhowlett> xubuntu874, if you delete all the .hidden files and folders in your /home AND ONLY in /home, logout/login.  everything will reset to factory default state
[14:21] <xubuntu874> @cfhowlett: thanks for answering. This would me I will loose my personal data as well?
[14:21] <cfhowlett> yes.
[14:21] <cfhowlett> wait,
[14:22] <cfhowlett> it will kill your SETTINGS and whatever personal data you have in those settings.  but actual data, i.e. music, videos,etc would be safe as those are NOT typically .hidden
[14:23] <xubuntu874> ok then I will try this. thanks again
[14:54] <inerkick> Hi team I can't install nm-applet in my xubuntu
[14:54] <inerkick> it says "Unable to locate package nm-applet"
[14:55] <inerkick> i can't connect to mobile broad band. the dongle i connect not show option in my xfce environment
[14:55] <inerkick> hence tried to install nm-applet
[15:04] <Adam_T> inerkick: the package names are network-manager and network-manager-gnome I believe
[15:21] <koegs> and they are installed by default
[16:54] <natuzi> I have a problem with compiling mplayer on Xubuntu 14.10.
[16:54] <bazhang> natuzi, why compile it
[16:55] <bazhang> natuzi, what version you have right now
[16:55] <natuzi> bazhang: The utopic version of it doesn't contain mencoder.
[16:56] <natuzi> I need mencoder. I have Xubuntu 14.10 and MPlayer2 2.0
[16:56] <bazhang> natuzi, what specific task requires that
[16:57] <natuzi> Install the trusty version of mplayer via ppa or compile it myself but I have errors to build a deb file.
[16:57] <drc> But back to the question: natuzi, what exactly is the problem?
[16:57] <bazhang> whats the need for *mencoder*
[16:58] <bazhang> ubottu, lag
[16:59] <natuzi> Oh, I use it to rip movies and do some video encoding. I don't want an alternative, I didn't know that by updating Xubuntu it'll remove mencoder.
[16:59] <natuzi> I have this error with checkinstall : Makefile:22: config.mak: No such file or directory make: *** osdep/: Is a directory. Stop.
[16:59] <bazhang> !find avconv
[17:00] <natuzi> Is it a fork of mplayer or what?
[17:00] <Nivex> mencoder is in a separate package now
[17:00] <bazhang> natuzi, got build-essential installed?
[17:01] <Nivex> apt-get install mencoder   and you're off to the races
[17:01] <bazhang> !info mencoder
[17:01] <cfhowlett> natuzi, avconv is a fork of ffmpeg, however, ffmpeg will return to ubuntu repos it vivid, IIRC. also: ffmpeg and avconv will likely ... defork? at some point
[17:01] <bazhang> Nivex, not in utopic
[17:01] <Nivex> oh, right, this is a trusty box I'm sitting on
[17:01] <Nivex> sorry
[17:01] <natuzi> bazhang: I know that's why I'm trying to compile it
[17:02] <bazhang> !find ffmpeg vivid
[17:02] <bazhang> is it just me lagging
[17:03] <bazhang> !info ffmpeg vivid
[17:03] <natuzi> I just want to compile it, is it impossible? Because you're all giving me ffmpeg forks
[17:03] <bazhang> is that the version you need/want natuzi
[17:04] <bazhang> natuzi, did you install build-essential
[17:04] <natuzi> bazhang: yes
[17:05] <bazhang> ok
[17:06] <bazhang> !info libav-tools
[17:06] <bazhang> I just use the handbrake devs recommended version
[17:07] <bazhang> afaik the avconv commands are not that different than what you would do with mencoder/ffmpeg
[17:08] <natuzi> bazhang: I'm checking the doc right now
[17:08] <bazhang> natuzi, any special use case or the like? ripping to mp4 and such?
[17:10] <bazhang> !info ogmrip
[17:10] <natuzi> bazhang: It doesn't exist too on utopic
[17:10] <natuzi> but i know this software
[17:11] <bazhang> utopic really cleaned the cupboards of some of the better tools
[17:11] <natuzi> with avconv can I dumptstream ?
[17:11] <natuzi> like vob > vob (copy the video/audio codec)
[17:11] <bazhang> no compression whatsoever?
[17:12] <natuzi> yes with libx264
[17:12] <natuzi> but also without compression
[17:12] <natuzi> and also some cropping and advanced subtitle options
[17:12] <bazhang> not used it much , sorry about that natuzi
[17:13] <bazhang> ogmrip had some super nice presets already set
[17:13] <natuzi> bazhang: I'm just wondering nobody explained me for my compiling mplayer problem, is it impossible, not recommended or something?
[17:14] <natuzi> ogmrip use mencoder too that's why they removed it from the repo i think
[17:15] <bazhang> yet ogmrip-dirac and oggz are still there
[17:16] <natuzi> ogmrip-dirac is an extension for ogmrip
[17:17] <bazhang> yep
[17:17] <natuzi> but I think I'm just to scared to use other softwares avconv seems to be good
[17:17] <bazhang> hard to use since ogmrip is not there though
[17:19] <natuzi> oh maybe mpv can do thing since it's a fork of mplayer
[18:03] <ObrienDave> rage quit? ;P
[18:04] <bazhang> seemed satisfied enough
[18:04] <bazhang> http://blog.smplayer.info/smplayer-with-support-for-mpv-is-now-available/
[18:05] <bazhang> mpv really does have a huge number of options
[18:05] <bazhang> so he was on the right track
[18:05] <ObrienDave> well, i could have recommended handbrake and makemkv
[18:05] <bazhang> sure
[18:06] <bazhang> mpv is pretty much cli
[18:06] <ObrienDave> ah, a real guru :)
[18:15] <whyameye> I've read about a "presentation" mode for xubuntu 14.04 but I can't find it. Recommendation for how to enable it or find it?
[18:26] <holstein> whyameye: f11 typically.. "fullscreen" mode.. is that what you want? or kiosk mode? or a presenation mode where, the screen doesnt sleep?
[18:26] <whyameye> holstein: yes the computer and the screen wouldn't sleep
[18:28] <holstein> whyameye: i would check on the caffine application and ppa http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/01/install-caffeine-indicator-ubuntu-14-04/
[18:29] <whyameye> holstein: thanks, I'll try it
[18:32] <uzvermode> how to rotate digital clock on xfce vertical panel?
[18:35] <whyameye> holstein: works great! Thanks!
[18:35] <holstein> whyameye: cheers!
[21:03] <kashel> Hello people
[21:03] <holstein> o/
[21:05] <kashel> I love xubuntu
[23:32] <ambrose_> does anyone there know iptables firewalls?
[23:33] <knome> !anyone | ambrose_
[23:33] <knome> eh..
[23:33] <knome> anyway, why not ask the real question and find out
[23:33] <ambrose_> Yes, I had a question
[23:34] <ambrose_> I have written my own firewall.  Seems to work, but my knowledge is limited.
[23:37] <ambrose_> Is there any value to dropping packets whose source addr is not my IP on the OUT side?