| pitti | Good morning | 05:50 |
|---|---|---|
| Mirv | Laney: re: bug #1429836 I don't see the upload or changes anywhere | 06:40 |
| ubot5 | bug 1429836 in qtquickcontrols-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "[MIR] qtquickcontrols-opensource-src" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1429836 | 06:40 |
| didrocks | morning | 07:04 |
| mvo_ | hey didrocks | 07:05 |
| mvo_ | hm, no seb yet | 07:05 |
| didrocks | mvo_: yeah, he's back on his French schedule | 07:06 |
| didrocks | meaning, up late :) | 07:06 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks et mvo_, comment allez-vous ? | 07:07 |
| mvo_ | didrocks: heh :) | 07:08 |
| didrocks | pitti: ça peut aller, et toi ? | 07:08 |
| mvo_ | hey pitti! good morning | 07:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: I can't tell you how much fun I have :) | 07:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: but otherwise good, cold is by and large gone | 07:08 |
| didrocks | pitti: so many issues? | 07:08 |
| didrocks | via the switch | 07:08 |
| didrocks | at least, health is good! | 07:09 |
| pitti | didrocks: well, and questions, etc.; but making good progress | 07:09 |
| pitti | tackling bug 1430479 now | 07:09 |
| ubot5 | bug 1430479 in systemd (Ubuntu) ""telinit u" under upstart with systemd-sysv installed runs systemd" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430479 | 07:09 |
| mpt | desrt, larsu, mdeslaur: Specification updated. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Power?action=diff&rev2=69&rev1=68> | 08:13 |
| larsu | mpt: thanks! Don't know if you read all of the scrollback, but we were doubting the "switch meaning of the battery icon based on which devcice has least power" approach | 08:37 |
| larsu | well, I think I was the only one doubting it | 08:37 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:39 |
| mpt | larsu, there’s a bug report somewhere complaining that it shows unintelligent mice too often … Apart from that, what is your doubt? | 08:43 |
| larsu | mpt: I have the feeling it confuses people, because they expect their laptop's battery in that position and nothing else | 08:48 |
| larsu | also, I goubt that it's very helpful | 08:49 |
| larsu | for most aux devices, you don't need battery status all the time | 08:49 |
| larsu | and you can always get at it in the menu (and of course you get a notification when it is empty) | 08:49 |
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| willcooke | morning desktoppers | 08:50 |
| larsu | hi willcooke! | 08:51 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:51 |
| didrocks | morning willcooke | 08:53 |
| willcooke | is this anything to do with us: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1424263 | 08:55 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1424263 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Broken dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:55 |
| willcooke | mlankhorst perhaps? | 08:55 |
| seb128 | yes, that's one for mlankhorst | 08:56 |
| mvo_ | seb128: hey, good morning! | 08:58 |
| mvo_ | seb128: so your silo - I messed that up, sorry | 08:58 |
| seb128 | mvo_, hey, no worry, feel free to wipe my changes and do another mp/silo | 08:58 |
| seb128 | I just wanted to help moving things forward | 08:59 |
| seb128 | I didn't expect click to be special in landing and having to use a devel staging | 08:59 |
| mvo_ | seb128: sorry, I think your approach is fine for a single branch like this, but I reassigned to devel out of a reflex and now I can not land it anymore (ci-train complains) | 09:00 |
| mvo_ | seb128: so thanks and sorry | 09:00 |
| seb128 | mvo_, no worry, do you fix it? | 09:01 |
| mvo_ | seb128: not yet, I was wondering if there is a magic way to just reuse the existing silo/line etc | 09:01 |
| Laney | yo yo | 09:03 |
| willcooke | what up dawg | 09:04 |
| seb128 | mvo_, let me have a look | 09:04 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey | 09:04 |
| larsu | morning Lane! | 09:05 |
| larsu | y | 09:05 |
| seb128 | mvo_,we can just delete the new branches I think | 09:06 |
| seb128 | mvo_, let me try | 09:06 |
| seb128 | mvo_, can you mark https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/click/initctl-not-there/+merge/252479 as approveD? | 09:07 |
| mvo_ | seb128: oh, nice | 09:09 |
| mvo_ | seb128: yes | 09:09 |
| seb128 | mvo_, landed | 09:10 |
| mvo_ | seb128: \o/ | 09:10 |
| mvo_ | seb128: you rock | 09:10 |
| seb128 | mvo_, thanks ;-) | 09:10 |
| Laney | Mirv: bah, the dput was the last thing I did before shutting down yesterday | 09:10 |
| Laney | wonder why it didn't go | 09:10 |
| Laney | hey seb128 willcooke larsu! | 09:10 |
| Laney | luckily I suspended instead of shutting down and I can see that I did indeed dput it right ... | 09:12 |
| * Laney gets suspicious | 09:13 | |
| willcooke | FJKong, ping | 09:28 |
| willcooke | FJKong, free for a chat with me & dpm? | 09:28 |
| FJKong | willcooke: pong | 09:28 |
| FJKong | willcooke: yes | 09:29 |
| dpm | o/ | 09:29 |
| willcooke | FJKong, dpm - please join #letschatwhynot | 09:29 |
| Laney | Mirv: there was some kind of outage, uploaded now | 09:38 |
| Laney | Mirv: Would be preferable to get this fixed properly in the upstream buildsystem and also applied in Debian, if you want to do either. :) | 09:38 |
| * Laney hadn't used dh --until / dh --remaining for quite a while | 09:40 | |
| Laney | felt old skool | 09:40 |
| Mirv | Laney: thanks! yeah it'll be put to Debian at least | 09:44 |
| Laney | I just do it manually because qmake is hard | 09:46 |
| Mirv | Laney: oh, right, I'd think qmake QT_BUILD_PARTS+=tests would have worked | 09:49 |
| Laney | it was hard to find documentation | 09:50 |
| Laney | then you see that I had to give an import path to actually run them, and only the final installed tree worked | 09:50 |
| Laney | because the built one didn't have qmldir files maybe? | 09:50 |
| Laney | anyway, improve it if you can! | 09:51 |
| Mirv | been there, Qt having hard to find documentation. disabling pch was another thing that was really not documented anywhere but had an option like that. | 09:54 |
| Mirv | yes, those import paths are pretty normal, they are similar in the already test enabled Qt packages | 09:54 |
| seb128 | willcooke, mlankhorst, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa-lts-utopic/+bug/1429529 is another not-too-different issue | 10:00 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1429529 in mesa-lts-utopic (Ubuntu) "Package resolver can't find *-lts-utopic package dependencies, aborts" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:00 |
| willcooke | seb128, mlankhorst is on a day off today | 10:00 |
| willcooke | I'll pick it up with him tomorrow | 10:00 |
| seb128 | willcooke, ok oh, thanks | 10:00 |
| Laney | JohnLea_: hi, do you think the wallpapers could be attached to bug #1429011 today? | 10:00 |
| ubot5 | bug 1429011 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "15.04 wallpapers package" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1429011 | 10:00 |
| seb128 | willcooke, was he off yesterday as well? he missed the meeting/was not around it seems | 10:00 |
| willcooke | oh - yeah, so he was | 10:01 |
| willcooke | using up leave | 10:01 |
| Laney | shame we don't have a holiday calendar any more | 10:01 |
| seb128 | yeah | 10:02 |
| JohnLea_ | Laney, can do, I sent the final assets to willcooke yesterday | 10:03 |
| willcooke | JohnLea_, no assets received | 10:04 |
| willcooke | seb128, Laney - looks like I couldn't be bothered to add it to the calendar | 10:05 |
| Laney | willcooke: we can't see that anyway | 10:05 |
| willcooke | ?? | 10:05 |
| Laney | UE holiday calendar | 10:05 |
| willcooke | oh | 10:05 |
| Laney | I tried to add it a while ago, no go | 10:05 |
| willcooke | well thats silly | 10:05 |
| * willcooke goes to look for a fix | 10:05 | |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke, I've forwarded the email to you again just now so you should have them | 10:06 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke, let me know if I need to chase alex for a compressed version, if we can use the .png version then even better | 10:06 |
| willcooke | JohnLea_, oh, yeah - I got that one, but I think we're waiting for compressed ones, no? | 10:06 |
| willcooke | heh ^^^ | 10:07 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke, do we need it? | 10:07 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke, if so no prob. of course | 10:07 |
| willcooke | Laney, 3.3MB default wallpaper - too big>? | 10:07 |
| Laney | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.3M Sep 17 09:18 warty-final-ubuntu.png | 10:09 |
| Laney | seems on a par | 10:09 |
| Laney | if you can do it without losing quality then that's good though | 10:09 |
| willcooke | JohnLea_, if you could ask Alex to take a very quick look at compressing it, that would be worth spending 20 mins on. I don't feel comfortable making a call on whether or not the compressed version would be acceptable, better done by the original artist I think | 10:11 |
| mlankhorst | seb128: just dupe it | 10:20 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, thanks | 10:20 |
| mlankhorst | with bug 1424466 | 10:20 |
| ubot5 | bug 1424466 in freeglut (Ubuntu) "Devel package not installable in 14.04.2 (mesa-lts-utopic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424466 | 10:20 |
| willcooke | mlankhorst, run out of horse faeces to pick up? ;p | 10:21 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, seems like it didn't dup (yet?) | 10:21 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, is that something you are looking at? | 10:21 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke, compressed wallpaper sent, it's now 750kb | 10:32 |
| willcooke | sweet! thanks for the MBs JohnLea_ :) | 10:32 |
| willcooke | the internet salutes you | 10:33 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke, ;-) but our number of MB of ubuntu downloaded stat for the next ubuntu release won't look as good | 10:33 |
| willcooke | haha! | 10:34 |
| willcooke | I'll download it twice | 10:34 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke, as long a ubuntu continues to provide a legitimate use case for the use of torrents ;-) | 10:35 |
| willcooke | :D | 10:35 |
| willcooke | Laney, seb128 - uploaded | 10:36 |
| Laney | ty | 10:36 |
| seb128 | willcooke, thanks | 10:38 |
| Laney | i'll do that in a little while | 10:50 |
| seb128 | bah wifi timeout issues here, could be a buggy routeur but unsure how to debug where packets get lost | 11:17 |
| nessita_ | tkamppeter, hi! would you know of any workaround for LP #1430561 ? | 11:31 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1430561 in hplip (Ubuntu) "hp-plugin crashes with error: Python gobject/dbus may be not installed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430561 | 11:31 |
| willcooke | seb128, try running a traceroute (or tracepath) to 8.8.8.8 | 11:33 |
| seb128 | willcooke, going to try next time it does it, thanks | 11:33 |
| willcooke | you can expect some "no response" along the way, but you should be able to see if it is the local router or not | 11:33 |
| tkamppeter | nessita_, do you have hplip-gui installed? | 11:45 |
| nessita_ | tkamppeter, yes sir | 11:46 |
| nessita_ | tkamppeter, latest version from vivid | 11:49 |
| tkamppeter | nessita_, "dpkg -S models.dat"? | 11:53 |
| mpt | larsu, maybe that expectation is just because other platforms don’t have the feature? That would be an unfortunate reason for us to drop it | 11:54 |
| nessita_ | tkamppeter, libsane-hpaio: /usr/share/hplip/data/models/models.dat | 11:56 |
| nessita_ | tkamppeter, I retry yesterday and got a new error, added it as a new comment in the bug | 11:56 |
| tkamppeter | nessita_, probably it is some Python3 transition problem. I have added a comment asking the HPLIP developers at HP to check it. | 12:00 |
| didrocks | phew, systemd-fsckd logic changed | 12:03 |
| didrocks | I hope this time upstream won't complain :) | 12:03 |
| nessita_ | tkamppeter, do you know if I could dowload the driver file by hand and set it up in any way to make the printer work? | 12:03 |
| tkamppeter | nessita_, go to http://www.openprinting.org/download/printdriver/auxfiles/HP/plugins/ and download the file corresponding to your HPLIP version, for 15.04/Vivid currently http://www.openprinting.org/download/printdriver/auxfiles/HP/plugins/hplip-3.15.2-plugin.run. The do "sudo sh hplip-3.15.2-plugin.run". | 12:07 |
| tkamppeter | nessita_, tell in the bug report whether this works for you. | 12:08 |
| nessita_ | tkamppeter, thanks much! | 12:09 |
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| Mirv | right, so it's not just SDK having troubles on 14.04.2 hwe stack but other dev packages too and even (?) installing Steam? | 12:40 |
| Mirv | I wonder how 12.04.x avoided the dev package installation problem if eg. libsdl & friends are involved | 12:41 |
| Mirv | or did apt resolving regress for the use case.. | 12:41 |
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| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| larsu | mpt: I don't know, maybe. I suspect it's simply confusing in its own right to be honest | 13:39 |
| desrt | sal, karaj | 13:39 |
| larsu | hi desrt! | 13:39 |
| desrt | moin | 13:40 |
| seb128 | hey desrt | 13:42 |
| larsu | desrt: are you in hamburg? | 13:42 |
| desrt | not today :) | 13:42 |
| desrt | (or ever, since you mention it) :) | 13:42 |
| larsu | desrt: do we have a convention for using g_autoptr with variables that should be returned? | 13:43 |
| desrt | yes | 13:43 |
| desrt | g_steal_pointer | 13:43 |
| larsu | not in my glib | 13:43 |
| desrt | then you must not have autoptr either | 13:44 |
| desrt | https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=e668796c5a90a19bce0ff893794817af6aad4dc2 | 13:44 |
| larsu | let me paraphrase: not documented in my glib | 13:44 |
| * larsu wonders why | 13:44 | |
| desrt | oh look. i forgot to update -sections.txt :) | 13:44 |
| larsu | hehe | 13:44 |
| larsu | this is awesome and exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! | 13:45 |
| desrt | anyway... this is made exactly for this purpose, as you can see by the code example in that documentation | 13:45 |
| desrt | yup :) | 13:45 |
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| desrt | larsu: tsk tsk tsk g_list_store_new() made the list as well :) | 14:00 |
| desrt | (or failed to make the list) | 14:00 |
| larsu | oops, thank | 14:01 |
| larsu | *thanks | 14:01 |
| desrt | oh. thanks to gtk-doc choking on G_DECLARE_FINAL_TYPE | 14:02 |
| desrt | sigh | 14:02 |
| Laney | didrocks / seb128: can you promote for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtquickcontrols-opensource-src/+bug/1429836 if you have a minute? | 14:27 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1429836 in qtquickcontrols-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "[MIR] qtquickcontrols-opensource-src" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 14:27 |
| Laney | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 14:28 |
| Laney | fcitx looks interesting there | 14:28 |
| seb128 | Laney, interesting in which way? | 14:29 |
| Laney | build-depends that aren't yellow, i.e. the script doesn't think they have MIR | 14:29 |
| seb128 | weird, I'm pretty sure we have approved MIRs for it | 14:30 |
| Laney | perhaps some of them were missed | 14:30 |
| seb128 | I don't think so | 14:31 |
| Laney | ok | 14:32 |
| seb128 | Laney, did promote the qt one | 14:32 |
| Laney | thanks | 14:32 |
| Laney | that means image builds for us again | 14:32 |
| seb128 | mvo__, hum, seems like my click change didn't work, not sure why :/ | 14:34 |
| seb128 | chroot.py", line 540, in create initctl = "%s/sbin/initctl" % mount FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf/sbin/initctl' | 14:34 |
| seb128 | is that line buggy?! | 14:35 |
| seb128 | initctl = "%s/sbin/initctl" % mount | 14:35 |
| seb128 | if os.path.exists(initctl): | 14:35 |
| seb128 | I don't understand what's going on | 14:35 |
| ochosi | larsu: your last changes fix the hover/focus-state when i grab and move the scale, not the hover of the scalebutton itself though | 14:37 |
| ochosi | and actually that part worked for me before | 14:38 |
| ochosi | so s/fix// :) | 14:38 |
| larsu | ochosi: what do you mean by scalebutton? | 14:39 |
| larsu | the slider that you can grab? | 14:39 |
| ochosi | well that circular button that sits on the trough | 14:39 |
| larsu | hm, that works fine for me | 14:39 |
| larsu | does it also not work with Adwaita for you? | 14:40 |
| ochosi | lemme try that | 14:41 |
| ochosi | hm, that also doesn't seem to make a difference, no hover-highlight on the circular button/slider | 14:42 |
| ochosi | and sorry, yeah, i just looked it up and you're totally right. it's called the slider :) | 14:44 |
| ochosi | larsu: if the slider's hover works for you, i'll try to re-test it again in a clean env/vbox. maybe i've messed around with this one too much... | 14:45 |
| larsu | ochosi: please do. I just tested it again and it works | 14:45 |
| ochosi | okeydokey, i'll let you know how it goes | 14:46 |
| larsu | thanks | 14:46 |
| larsu | desrt: g_autofree is also missing | 15:03 |
| desrt | larsu: i'm currently kicking gtk-doc's ass | 15:04 |
| desrt | the markdown parser stuff is extremely confused as to whether it's meant to be processing escaped or unescaped xml | 15:05 |
| Laney | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/199935937/buildlog_ubuntu_vivid_i386_ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz | 15:10 |
| * Laney screams | 15:10 | |
| mvo__ | seb128: oh? meh :/ is that the autopkgtest or a local test? | 15:15 |
| seb128 | mvo__, trying to create framework env in qtcreator | 15:15 |
| happyaron | attente_, seb128, I think fcitx/fcitx-qimpanel parts in bug #1363150 are released already (as well), have I missed anything? | 15:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1363150 in fcitx-qimpanel (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Fcitx input method integration in Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1363150 | 15:17 |
| seb128 | happyaron, I don't know, didn't follow much those, if they are please close the corresponding bug lines | 15:18 |
| === mvo__ is now known as mvo | ||
| happyaron | seb128: I'm just double checking if I've missed something, :) | 15:19 |
| Laney | happyaron: please could you chase getting that all promoted to main | 15:19 |
| attente_ | happyaron: yeah, i think those can be closed. they're already upstream long ago i think | 15:19 |
| Laney | see that link I just pasted, it makes desktop builds now fail | 15:19 |
| * happyaron looking | 15:19 | |
| happyaron | attente_: ok | 15:19 |
| didrocks | pitti: my proposal for bug #1428486, instead of the dropping in .wants.d/ would be to add [Install]\nWantedBy=nsf-server.service in rpc-statd.service and rpc-statd-notify.service, then disable it by default and do the one time Wants migration | 15:58 |
| ubot5 | bug 1428486 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu) "Only start rpc.statd if $NEED_STATD" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428486 | 15:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: that way people would be able to still enable/disable the stats | 15:58 |
| didrocks | (without having to mask the unit) | 15:59 |
| didrocks | and of course, we patch the Wants= | 15:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, you figured out an "automatic" way to determine when we actually need statd? nice! | 15:59 |
| pitti | (that's what an init system should do for you, after all :) ) | 15:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: no, we still do the one time migration | 15:59 |
| didrocks | but then, at least, the admin would be able to activate/disable it with traditional systemd tools | 16:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: phrasing on the bug report, maybe that would make more sense | 16:06 |
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| Laney | luverly new default wallpaper | 16:15 |
| Laney | coming soon to a distribution archive near you | 16:16 |
| didrocks | \o/ | 16:16 |
| willcooke | \o/ | 16:16 |
| Laney | the greyscale one is about to burn my eyes out | 16:16 |
| === seb128_ is now known as seb128 | ||
| attente_ | seb128: hey, i just filed this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1430893, but i'm not sure if we want to do the depends on the meta package, or do the depends on u-c-c like we did with ibus | 16:41 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1430893 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Make Fcitx default for Chinese users" [Undecided,New] | 16:41 |
| seb128 | attente_, I don't think we want to install fcitx by default? maybe make language selector install it/part of the chinese langpacks? | 16:42 |
| attente_ | oh, ok, that sounds better | 16:44 |
| didrocks | the langpacks dep sounds the best (worth telling it in the FFe I guess) | 16:46 |
| didrocks | but the wrong build-dep should be fixed first | 16:46 |
| attente_ | didrocks: what's the build-dep issue? those packages are approved for main but not in main yet? | 16:48 |
| didrocks | attente_: no, there has been some additional build-dep since the MIR was approved that was added, but not in main | 16:50 |
| didrocks | happyaron is fixing it and removing them | 16:50 |
| didrocks | so you need to wait for that to be in before getting the FFe approved and packages promoted | 16:50 |
| Laney | the promoting can definitely happen independently | 16:51 |
| didrocks | Laney: well, I certainly don't promote packages which have build-dep in universe | 16:51 |
| didrocks | you never know what or when the next "fix upload" would happen | 16:51 |
| Laney | I didn't say now, I said independently | 16:51 |
| Laney | it's not tied to making it the default | 16:51 |
| Laney | u-s-d is already pulling fcitx into main | 16:51 |
| didrocks | as recommends, so at least, won't block image build (but it's a build-dep also, which worked through the train PPA :/) | 16:53 |
| didrocks | shouldn't the recommends be fcitx-data | ibus (>= 1.5.0), rather (or the other way around?) | 16:54 |
| didrocks | I didn't follow, that may have been discussed here already | 16:55 |
| Laney | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/199935937/buildlog_ubuntu_vivid_i386_ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz sure is blocking builds | 16:55 |
| happyaron | seb128: if we don't seed it, then users will get input method changed after installing langpacks, is that expected? | 16:56 |
| didrocks | Laney: I was talking about the build of u-s-s itself | 16:56 |
| seb128 | happyaron, why would they? | 16:56 |
| seb128 | happyaron, or do you mean chinese users only? | 16:56 |
| happyaron | seb128: yes, they'll get ibus after installed the system, and installing langpacks make it change to fcitx | 16:57 |
| happyaron | that's wired experience | 16:57 |
| seb128 | don't we have a chinese iso? | 16:57 |
| happyaron | weird | 16:58 |
| Laney | didrocks: oh, misundersood because you said "image build" | 16:58 |
| happyaron | no we don't | 16:58 |
| Laney | anyway this is why it need to be promoted sooner rather than later | 16:58 |
| didrocks | Laney: no, I was talking about the package build (due to the ppa usage, that wasn't spotted), of course image build are screwed :/ | 16:59 |
| seb128 | happyaron, I don't think we should put ibus & fcitx on the iso | 16:59 |
| happyaron | seb128: with both of them it looks odd, but it doesn't waste space, things like ibus-pinyin (and its database) is replaced by fcitx ones, and the framework itself isn't large | 17:01 |
| seb128 | happyaron, can you look at how much space difference we are talking about? | 17:02 |
| attente_ | Laney: do we need a separate MIR for those packages? or could we just reuse the old one? | 17:02 |
| happyaron | seb128: sure | 17:03 |
| Laney | attente_: Don't know if it matters much, talk to a MIR guy :-) | 17:04 |
| Laney | sounded like happyaron was working on it though | 17:04 |
| attente_ | oh, ok | 17:04 |
| seb128 | happyaron, thanks | 17:04 |
| happyaron | attente_ Laney we don't need them, fcitx-qt5 is in -proposed, and I'm testing the presage patch atm | 17:05 |
| Laney | hope you're forwarding back :P | 17:06 |
| attente_ | happyaron: but what about the other gclient packages? | 17:09 |
| attente_ | libfcitx-gclient0, libfcitx-config4, libfcitx-utils0, fcitx-data | 17:10 |
| attente_ | *fcitx packages | 17:10 |
| happyaron | attente_: they aren't using extra-cmake-modules, only fcitx-qt5 does | 17:11 |
| attente_ | oh ok | 17:11 |
| didrocks | happyaron: attente_: seb128: Laney: I just calulated seeing the Recommends/Deps, I'm already at 6megs compressed | 17:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, I seemed to remember that it was quite some "to download" to apt-get install fcitx | 17:15 |
| didrocks | I don't think it's desirable to grow our target image size by 6% | 17:15 |
| didrocks | hum | 17:15 |
| didrocks | 0.6% :) | 17:15 |
| didrocks | (and it's packed, so more onced unpacked) | 17:16 |
| seb128 | no, we don't want more than a few mbs | 17:16 |
| seb128 | it seems wrong anyway to have 2 IM frameworks on the iso | 17:16 |
| didrocks | I think we should really have that optional in the code | 17:16 |
| attente_ | sorry, what are our options again? make language-selector install it, or have the depends on language-pack-zh-*? | 17:17 |
| happyaron | didrocks: we'll remove ibus pinyin related stuff at the same time | 17:17 |
| didrocks | attente_: have the depends on language-pack-zh-*, and having u-c-c and other things pulling it having a fcitx | ibus | 17:17 |
| didrocks | happyaron: ok, so you are going to patch u-c-c, u-s-s and so on to remove the fcitx-data dep? | 17:18 |
| didrocks | (I only started from the u-s-s changes) | 17:19 |
| happyaron | didrocks: wait, did you count the space get freed after removing ibus-pinyin/libpyzy-1.0-0? | 17:19 |
| Laney | willcooke: did you see that someone is complaining about jpeg compression artifacts on the wallpaper? | 17:20 |
| Laney | is that legit if you compare to the original one? | 17:20 |
| willcooke | checking... | 17:20 |
| willcooke | design were happy with it, so.. ? | 17:20 |
| didrocks | happyaron: no, I didn't see that removal in the MP | 17:21 |
| didrocks | I really think as well though that both shouldn't be installed | 17:21 |
| Laney | Seems like language-selector should set it up for you | 17:22 |
| Laney | not sure how hard that would be to implement though | 17:22 |
| willcooke | Laney, hrm - yeah, it's suboptimal - I'll upload the big one | 17:22 |
| Laney | willcooke: ack | 17:22 |
| didrocks | attente_: is the code that entered as part of that landing is optional? like if -data isn't installed, the code will still run? | 17:22 |
| happyaron | didrocks: pinyin was seeded long ago when sabdfl was asked to include full Chinese support in default installation | 17:23 |
| attente_ | didrocks: checking | 17:23 |
| willcooke | Laney, done | 17:24 |
| happyaron | didrocks: I prefer removing ibus-pinyin/libpyzy from cdimage, and add fcitx/fcitx-pinyin/fcitx-module-cloudpinyin instead | 17:25 |
| Laney | oh yeah, you can tell the difference | 17:25 |
| happyaron | fcitx-pinyin is much smaller than ibus-pinyin/libpyzy though | 17:25 |
| willcooke | JohnLea_, compressed version was sucky ^^^ ;) | 17:25 |
| seb128 | happyaron, how would that work for ibus users? | 17:26 |
| * Laney tries a pngcrush on it | 17:26 | |
| Laney | 2.8M \m/ | 17:27 |
| happyaron | seb128: pinyin is only used to type Chinese, and we are seeking to change the default for Chinese | 17:27 |
| happyaron | also, people will probably tend to install ibus-sunpinyin if they really want use ibus to input Chinese for everyday life, but the database is even larger so not able to get included to cdimage | 17:29 |
| attente_ | didrocks: no, it seems that we need fcitx-data because it provides the template file for fcitx' configuration | 17:30 |
| didrocks | happyaron: do you have a MP to remove ibus-sunpinyin and libpyzy-1.0-0 from the seeds? | 17:31 |
| didrocks | sounds like we are quite in a stuck situation, but let's focus on getting things fixed | 17:31 |
| didrocks | (not tonight for me anyway, but drop me an email if you need me to track it for tomorrow) | 17:31 |
| didrocks | still sounds suboptimal to have code depending on 2 IMs | 17:32 |
| happyaron | didrocks: I can propose a MP for the FFe | 17:32 |
| didrocks | sounds good, then, we'll see how much we win/loose on the image | 17:32 |
| didrocks | and decides from that what to do | 17:32 |
| happyaron | ok | 17:33 |
| didrocks | if the FFe is accepted | 17:33 |
| didrocks | attente_: I'm surprised that you hard-dep on fcitx-data as it's only a recommends | 17:33 |
| didrocks | attente_: shouldn't that be a dep then? | 17:33 |
| attente_ | didrocks: this is in u-c-c, right? | 17:34 |
| didrocks | attente_: ah, I thought you talked about u-s-s | 17:35 |
| didrocks | ok, it's a dep in u-c-c | 17:35 |
| attente_ | didrocks: it's only a recommends in u-s-d because it uses it only once for the migration which i guess is not a good enough reason to have a hard dep | 17:35 |
| didrocks | attente_: sounds ok then | 17:36 |
| attente_ | but for u-c-c it's needed if the user is going to be able to edit their per-window options | 17:36 |
| didrocks | let's see once it's done how many space difference (with the unseeding) that's going to result in | 17:37 |
| didrocks | just fix the image build meanwhile (hoping it's the only remaining issue and we'll get an image tomorrow) | 17:37 |
| didrocks | and then, we'll refine :) | 17:37 |
| attente_ | yes :) | 17:38 |
| didrocks | attente_: happyaron: just a warning, I think we'll go on war again on image size soon, and that one would probably be something to do | 17:38 |
| didrocks | only ship, per language, one IM | 17:38 |
| didrocks | and have some optional dep | 17:38 |
| didrocks | would have been great to do it from day 0 | 17:38 |
| didrocks | so I hope you will ready once this happens :) | 17:39 |
| happyaron | didrocks: next cycle we'll decide on ibus vs fcitx, which is the only one to keep | 17:39 |
| didrocks | happyaron: ok, let's see then, do you already have a methodology to decide? | 17:39 |
| didrocks | like how to reach users from different cultures using different layouts? | 17:40 |
| happyaron | almost, as part of fcitx upstream we've done that for quite some time | 17:40 |
| didrocks | ok, let's plan on how you will post the results next cycle early enough | 17:41 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke, can we use the non-compressed version then? bandwidth and storage is cheep and only getting cheeper ;-) | 17:41 |
| seb128 | mvo, the click chroot seems to work now, I wonder if I had a staled instance or copy earlier... | 17:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ | 17:42 |
| happyaron | :) | 17:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: ah interesting, the error you pasted made no sense :) | 17:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: is there any chroot daemon, keeping old copy? | 17:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, indeed not | 17:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I don't know enough about schroot/click to say | 17:43 |
| seb128 | maybe mvo knows ;-) | 17:43 |
| didrocks | ps aux | grep click ? ;) | 17:43 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke, ping | 17:50 |
| willcooke | JohnLea_, :D | 17:50 |
| willcooke | JohnLea_, sorry - was otp | 17:50 |
| willcooke | back now | 17:50 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke; could we delay the default wallpaper submition until end of play Friday? | 17:50 |
| willcooke | Laney, ^^ | 17:50 |
| willcooke | JohnLea_, we can always upload a newer one | 17:50 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke; marcus has decided there are a couple of things that need to change | 17:51 |
| willcooke | sure, no worries | 17:51 |
| Laney | It's already uploaded | 17:51 |
| willcooke | (I think) | 17:51 |
| Laney | also UserInterfaceFreeze is tomorrow | 17:51 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke; ok, I'll sent the updated version over on friday, many thanks! | 17:51 |
| Laney | ...but minor changes are probably okay... | 17:51 |
| seb128 | those are bugfixes I guess :-) | 17:51 |
| willcooke | ha!Q | 17:51 |
| JohnLea_ | Laney, it will only be subtle modifications to the wallpaper pattern, so changing this after won't impact documentation | 17:51 |
| willcooke | So as long as it's not more naked people, I think we'll be OK JohnLea_ | 17:51 |
| Laney | okay | 17:52 |
| JohnLea_ | willcooke; I'll pass on the no more naked people message to our visual designers ;-) | 17:52 |
| willcooke | lolz, please do :) | 17:52 |
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| GunnarHj | attente_: ping? | 18:20 |
| attente_ | GunnarHj: hey | 18:20 |
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| GunnarHj | attente_: Saw bug #1430893. It looks to me as if a couple of changes in pkg_depends would be sufficient. | 18:22 |
| ubot5 | bug 1430893 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Install Fcitx for Chinese users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430893 | 18:22 |
| attente_ | GunnarHj: possibly. we just had a discussion about it, but we're waiting on some build failures to be resolved | 18:23 |
| GunnarHj | attente_: Ok.. Where did the discussion take place? | 18:24 |
| attente_ | GunnarHj: this channel | 18:24 |
| GunnarHj | attente_: Thanks, will take a look. | 18:24 |
| happyaron | GunnarHj: updated the FFe just now | 18:45 |
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| GunnarHj | happyaron: Is the plan to have fcitx *installed* on all machines, or just have it available on the CD for those who choose a Chinese locale at installation? | 19:15 |
| happyaron | GunnarHj: installed | 19:15 |
| GunnarHj | happyaron: In 15.04? | 19:15 |
| happyaron | GunnarHj: yep | 19:15 |
| happyaron | GunnarHj: installed, but only made default for Chinese locale | 19:16 |
| GunnarHj | happyaron: Ok, then I realize there is a need to reconsider a few things... | 19:16 |
| happyaron | :) | 19:16 |
| attente_ | is there an alternative to ubuntu-desktop-next that works with systemd? can't seem to install it without upstart | 19:59 |
| seb128 | attente_, what do you mean by alternative? | 20:09 |
| seb128 | ubuntu-desktop-next should still work | 20:09 |
| seb128 | we still install upstart for user sessions anyway even on unity7 | 20:10 |
| attente_ | seb128: it conflicts with systemd-sysv, no? | 20:11 |
| attente_ | ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks seems to depend on upstart | 20:12 |
| Laney | desktop-next didn't switch yet | 20:15 |
| seb128 | attente_, can you describe the issue/what you are trying to do exactly? | 20:17 |
| attente_ | just trying to install ubuntu-desktop-next | 20:18 |
| seb128 | why? | 20:18 |
| seb128 | you rather want unity8-desktop-session-mir no? | 20:19 |
| seb128 | desktop-next is an iso | 20:19 |
| seb128 | if you want an unity8 session on your normal system just install that one? | 20:19 |
| attente_ | ah, ok. that worked. thanks seb128! | 20:20 |
| seb128 | yw | 20:21 |
| robert_ancell | tjaalton, did you reject the right SRU for lightdm to utopic? | 22:14 |
| robert_ancell | The email suggests you rejected 1.12.3-0ubuntu1 which should replace the current 1.12.2-0ubuntu1 in -proposed. | 22:15 |
| tjaalton | robert_ancell: there were two uploads of the same | 22:15 |
| robert_ancell | oh, weird | 22:16 |
| tjaalton | so I rejected the slightly older one | 22:16 |
| tjaalton | #1383321 from the old upload is still unverified | 22:16 |
| robert_ancell | tjaalton, ah, thanks | 22:17 |
| tjaalton | #1190344 too | 22:18 |
| robert_ancell | that one was only partially fixed in 1.12.2, it should be fully fixed in 1.12.3 | 22:19 |
| tjaalton | ah | 22:20 |
| ochosi | larsu: a late re: sound indicator scale slider hover – it works! well done! | 22:54 |
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