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diddledanhttps://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/575452372203257859/photo/100:37
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mapphi all05:07
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MooDoomorning all08:08
diploMorning MooDoo08:20
knightWorKyo peeps08:27
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:39
SuperMattmorning08:45
zmoylan-pimorning mammals08:45
brobostigonmorning08:53
Myrttitime of day08:56
shaunoat the third tone, the time sponsored by accurist will be bacon-308:57
zmoylan-pi*bark*08:58
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy World Plumbing Day! :-D09:58
zmoylan-piput that in a pipe and smoke it09:59
TwistedLucidityThey must be flushed with success09:59
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davmor2JamesTait: It'sa Me.....It'sa Mario!!!!!11:12
JamesTaitdavmor2, that was yesterday. https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/mario-day/11:13
davmor2JamesTait: But Mario is the worlds most famous plumber :P11:14
zmoylan-pinah, al gore, he invented the internet which is a series of tubes11:15
JamesTaitNot Linus Torvalds? http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2015/11:16
JamesTaitIt's a sign of how geeky I am that the word "plumbers" means that, rather than someone who installs and fixes things like water pipes.11:18
JamesTaitI should probably get out more.11:18
bashrc_maintaining is probably not unlike plumbing11:20
bashrc_fixing leaks...11:21
Myrttia smart person would've checked the wind speed before laying out the laundry on an outdoor clothes line11:38
zmoylan-pithe rain told me today was not a good day to dry /klingon11:39
Myrtticlear blue skies here11:52
foobarryhere too11:53
foobarrywell, brick walls and a little patch of sky at the top from where i'm sitting11:54
diploHad blue skies all morning but the temperature has plummeted now and gone all grey :(12:02
MooDoogrey and overcast here12:03
zmoylan-pirain all night with gusts of wind, very wintery.12:03
davmor2popey: mvm hard is definitely more like Extreme MDK mode :D12:29
popeydavmor2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m56Tfyy9fWI - mvm music in that video12:40
davmor2popey: uu level 72 start to get cramped too,  that video is hilarious and the music is definitely mvm12:45
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ChunkzZ1does anyone know of any sites like novatech for barebones pc's?13:40
ujjainis indoor shooting something you can do with friends in the UK?13:45
ujjainor mostly clay pidgeon shooting?13:45
zmoylan-pii believe the house of westminster has a rifle range...13:48
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davmor2ujjain: Wolverhampton has an Olympic grade indoor shooting range14:00
ujjainah nice14:00
ujjainhouse of westminster? :o14:00
ujjainthat could be cool, although a bit far, let me do some googling14:00
davmor2ujjain: there are plenty across the country I just know the one at wolverhampton14:02
ujjainah yeah, but by public transport might be tricky14:02
davmor2ujjain: no the riffles and stuff would be at the club rather than at home14:07
popeyujjain: bisley has a lot of ranges14:09
popeyeasy to get to from london14:09
ujjainahah thanks14:10
ujjainI have signed up 2 times for a bank account and 2 times the bank made a misatke and opened a wrong bank account and immediately closed it, it shows up as lending facility requested 2 times. Does this hurt my credit score?15:18
marshmnhi; I understand that a number of SSDs have built-in hardware encryption functionality - are such things supported by Ubuntu/Linux? I'm not having much luck finding out info on it16:01
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mappwhat phone to get..hmmm needs to be dual sim which limits choices a bit:)19:21
mappdoes anyone have a smart watch?19:23
shaunonot yet.  they don't have a pre-order date for Ireland yet :(19:37
daftykinsbest error today19:40
daftykinsXFS: file system too large to be mounted on this system.19:40
daftykins:D19:40
daftykinsturns out a 32-bit host can't mount >16TB volumes19:40
shaunooops19:40
daftykinsnah it's fine, his file server has 10.04.4 still on it, so i need to reinstall anyway :)19:41
shaunoyou still have 32bit hosts?  it's a Pi ?19:41
daftykins2GB RAM pentium dual core file server19:41
daftykinsdedi headless19:41
shaunoooh19:41
shaunoI miss the p4 era19:41
shaunoespecially when my heating's bust19:41
daftykinsnah this was LGA775, so it's an E2180 i think19:42
daftykinshttp://ark.intel.com/products/31733/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E2180-1M-Cache-2_00-GHz-800-MHz-FSB19:42
shaunoactually, I still have a dual-quad-xeon around here somewhere19:42
daftykins:D19:42
shaunoI might have to hook up that arduino thermometer thing and see if it actually can raise the room temp19:42
daftykinsi've booted a live session of 14.04 and am rsync'ing the old array to the new, now19:42
daftykinswith --progress \o/19:42
daftykinsi'm updating a tomtom for someone right now 0o19:44
daftykinshe went to Malaga and had no roads to escape the airport apparently :D19:45
shaunonot a bug, it's a feature - they do this to the GB models intentionally ;)19:45
daftykinshehe19:45
daftykinsjust doing a 1.4GB map update 0o19:46
m0nkey_lol, this article has convinced me to drop OSX in favor of Ubuntu or Fedora.. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macbook_yosemite_4way&num=1 :)21:11
foobarrywhy not opensuse21:15
foobarryseems a clear winner21:15
m0nkey_that means downloading another iso :-P21:16
diddledanjust got my birthday prezzie together - a nice new shiny chair21:26
mappnice21:26
mapp:D21:26
diddledanit's 1) comfy, 2) silent when I wheel it about21:26
mappa good chairs a wise investment21:26
diddledanmy old one had got squeeky21:26
diddledanindeed21:26
mappthe arms fell off my chair21:26
diddledanoops21:26
mappcheap rubbish though from argos21:27
diddledanaah21:27
mappso shouldnt be surprised:)21:27
mappliterally they snapped lol21:27
diddledanthis one's an £80ish21:27
mappok i was leaning on it..but still21:27
diddledanlol21:27
mappcool first dates is back21:46
mappquite like that show21:46
shaunoI've just started with 'black sails'.  desperately running out of TV21:54
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mappheard its good22:43
mappon season 1 shauno?22:43
daftykinsi made a hilarious blunder today22:43
mappgah i cant find my pension application form22:43
mappbought it home to read and fill out and now..no idea where i put it22:44
daftykinsi changed my xbox live account to be based in Guernsey... fired up the old xbox360, "sorry there is no xbox live in your region"22:44
mapplol22:44
daftykinsthanks Microsoft22:44
daftykinsdo any of you guys understand this weird loophole about online transactions for digital content being allowed to charge VAT from the originating country of the service?22:45
daftykinspresumably xbox live is based in Ireland so they can charge people VAT from there on their downloads22:45
ali1234what's to understand?22:45
daftykinswhy it's allowed :)22:45
ali1234it isn't22:45
ali1234since 1st of jan they changed the rules22:46
daftykinsoh is this the funny named thing that's causing business in Ireland to get the squeeze?22:46
ali1234yes22:46
daftykinshrmmm22:46
ali1234now you have to pay VAT in the country where the service is used22:46
ali1234which means you have to deal with VAT laws from 30 odd different countries22:46
ali1234and the threshold where you have to register for VAT is no longer 80k, it's now 022:47
ali1234because some countries don't have any threshold22:47
daftykinswhich is no doubt why they refuse to offer the service to Guernsey residents22:47
ali1234meanwhile the multinational companies this law was supposed to target just moved their business out of the EU entirely and then carry on as before22:48
shaunobeacuse there's only 3 of you.  It'd cost them more in time than they'd gain from sales :)22:48
daftykins"we'd have to deal with VAT refunds then!"22:48
daftykinsshauno: :D there is that, true22:48
mappdoes it affect us as consumers?22:49
mappwe'd be paying VAT anyway?22:49
daftykinsnow you probably get to pay the UK rate instead of the Irish rate, i dunno which it picks22:50
shaunoI'm not sure why it'd squeeze ireland much, VAT is 20% here.  it's corporate tax that's easy22:50
daftykinsIrish VAT is 20% as well?22:50
shauno23 apparently22:51
intrbizIIRC there is an exception for tailored content, which is modified for each purchase22:51
shaunobut only 4.8% on cattle apparently.  you're not buying cows on xbox are you?22:52
daftykinsshauno: maybe... my Guernsey Golds need some friends22:53
daftykinsCow Simulator for xbox22:53
shaunohm.  there's a man in a van down the road, who stores random animals in abandoned lots.  I might be able to hook you up :)22:53
shaunoI have no idea what he's doing this week.  they look like really hairy baby horses22:54
daftykinsthere is one amusing thing, i buy xbox credit from amazon.co.uk VAT free to add to my account... so technically i get more money than i pay for :D22:54
daftykinshere we are, £10 of xbox credit from amazon - £8.33 :D22:57
shaunoand you wonder why it might be easier to just say no :)22:58
mappso it makes no diff to me pay samwe tax really?22:58
mappnice daftykins22:58
daftykinsshauno: hmm? no to...?22:59
shaunofor xbox to just say no to .ge22:59
shaunoinstead of having money going backwards22:59
daftykinsy'mean .gg? :>22:59
daftykins(that's our TLD)23:00
shauno-_-23:00
daftykinsfunny thing is my mates just have their bank cards on their accounts so it comes direct23:00
daftykinsi only discovered this loophole recently, i used to buy credit on ebay23:00
shaunorandom, I found out recently that Kosovo doesn't have a two-letter iso thingie23:01
mapphate losing stuff such a windup :( really23:01
mappwhat do they have shauno23:01
shaunothat's it.  they just .. don't23:01
shaunothey use .xk I think, because .x* are reserved for nothing23:01
mapphm23:01
mappoh23:01
shaunobut it's not 'theirs'23:01
shaunoit seems whoever assigns these is so glacial they make the civil service look good23:03
mappstrange eh23:03
mapp.gi for gib23:03
mappaltho think my hostname is .com23:04
mappgibconnect.com23:04
shaunothat's kinda normal it seems.  it seems in most cases, the smaller the registry, the more they try to milk it23:04
daftykins^ i have to renew my .gg soon, £45 a year =|23:05
daftykins£90 to register + first 12 months23:05
daftykinsi've been thinking about talking to a local politician to ask why local business isn't allowed to show off their proud locality, due to being screwed for the rates ;)23:05
intrbizshauno: IIRC Kosovo currently has the temporary code XK until it is reconised by the UN at which point ISO can issue it an official code23:06
shaunohuh, I didn't realise they weren't recognised yet.  just that they hadn't been given an official designation23:09
intrbizshauno: Kosovo is currently not a member of the UN as 85 countries do not still recognise it23:15
diddledanincluding russia?23:18
intrbizdiddledan: yes23:19
diddledanwho'd have thunk it23:20
intrbizindeed23:20
diddledanto be fair to russia, they just want to recreate the ussr23:21
intrbizdiddledan: I think they'd like to keep control of the imporant bits of it23:22
intrbizit always amuses me the people who think the UK's country code is UK rather than GB23:23
diddledanso who's got UK? :-p23:23
intrbizno one23:23
diddledanukraine?23:23
intrbizUkraine is UA23:23
diddledanobviously23:23
intrbizUK is reserve on our request23:23
diddledanUA surely fits UAE better, no?23:24
intrbizthe codes are derived from the elements of a country name which are not generic23:24
diddledani.e. dubai23:24
intrbizdiddledan: nope23:24
diddledanaren't letters kinda generic tho23:24
intrbizthe terms: United, Kingdom, etc are not used to derive the code23:24
diddledanI mean A is surely in a lot of country names23:25
intrbizdiddledan: UAE is just AE23:25
diddledanI like how we're the only country I'm aware of that needs to tell other people that they're impressive, important etc.23:26
diddledanwe're not just Britain, we're GREAT23:26
diddledanoh yeah, and northern ireland23:26
diddledanwe ignore them tho and hope they'll be quiet for once23:26
intrbizdiddledan: United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northen Ireland23:26
diddledanI propose replacing Great with Amazing23:27
intrbizdiddledan: Awesome ?23:27
daftykinshorribly US word :P23:27
diddledanMost Excellent?23:27
intrbizHonourable23:28
diddledanthat's a joke, right?23:28
diddledan*cough* GCHQ *cough&23:28
diddledan"Ah did not have sexual relations with that internet"23:29
shaunoit's not amazing.  it's "big".  big britain, little britain.  grand britain, britany23:29
diddledanobviously by "sexual relations" we refer to the dictionary for the words "Rape" and "Pillage"23:30
diddledanshauno: kinda like the midget insists he's tall for his age?23:30
intrbizWe could simplify to: Great British Empire23:31
diddledanwhat empire?23:31
diddledanwe gave it all back23:31
diddledanand ever since they've all been killing each other23:32
intrbizwe can invade again23:33
diddledangood idea. how are you fixed for tuesday?23:33
diddledanI can pencil-in an invasion for the weekend if time is of the essence?23:33
diddledanthe question, though, do we let them know we're about to conquer them or let them find out when they wake up?23:34
intrbizthey'll find out when we erect the flag23:35
diddledanlike america did when they conquered iraq?23:35
diddledan"mission accomplished"23:35
diddledanI say lets have a bipartisan empire with the americans - we get the middle bit and america gets the two sides23:37
diddledanobviously on american maps that's back asswards23:37
diddledanjeez, chrisccoulson died?23:38
diddledan[23:38:00] chrisccoulson (~chr1s@ubuntu/member/chrisccoulson) left IRC (Quit: OSError: [Errno 130] Owner died)23:38
intrbiznever knew IRC was so deadly23:38
intrbizmust have been some kind of virus23:39
diddledanmaybe. or skynet23:39
intrbizor the sky falling down23:40
diddledanI'd be crushed if that happened to me23:40
daftykinsIRC is already a life sucker, but to kill? :(23:42
daftykinsi replaced the boss' Lenovo X240 Intel 180GB SSD with a 512GB Crucial MX100 today \o/23:42
daftykinshe's letting me keep the old one D:23:42
intrbizdaftykins: nice23:43
diddledanhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31843001 <-- does that mean you're allowed to post porn that does have their consent?23:43
daftykinsi may put it in the old girl's new laptop23:44
intrbizdiddledan: I believe pornograghic pictures are permitted under the T&Cs23:46
diddledanreally?23:46
intrbizassuming they are legal23:46
diddledanhmm, I'll keep an eye out then23:46
daftykinsbrb host restart coming up23:46
diddledandaftykins: your local system or a proxyish thing/23:47
daftykinshilariously i IRC from a Linux VM atop a Windows host :D23:47
daftykinsso patch tuesday it is23:47
diddledanthat was yesterday!23:47
daftykinsyeah i delayed :P23:47
diddledanteehee23:47
daftykinsalso we only get it at 6pm of course since that's early Seattle time :>23:47
diddledanyeah it means that wednesday in most businesses must be rather fraught with panic23:48
intrbizdiddledan: @porn23:48

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