[00:37] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/575452372203257859/photo/1
[05:07] <mapp> hi all
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:20] <diplo> Morning MooDoo
[08:27] <knightWorK> yo peeps
[08:39] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:45] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:45] <zmoylan-pi> morning mammals
[08:53] <brobostigon> morning
[08:56] <Myrtti> time of day
[08:57] <shauno> at the third tone, the time sponsored by accurist will be bacon-3
[08:58] <zmoylan-pi> *bark*
[09:58] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Plumbing Day! :-D
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> put that in a pipe and smoke it
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> They must be flushed with success
[11:12] <davmor2> JamesTait: It'sa Me.....It'sa Mario!!!!!
[11:13] <JamesTait> davmor2, that was yesterday. https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/mario-day/
[11:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: But Mario is the worlds most famous plumber :P
[11:15] <zmoylan-pi> nah, al gore, he invented the internet which is a series of tubes
[11:16] <JamesTait> Not Linus Torvalds? http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2015/
[11:18] <JamesTait> It's a sign of how geeky I am that the word "plumbers" means that, rather than someone who installs and fixes things like water pipes.
[11:18] <JamesTait> I should probably get out more.
[11:20] <bashrc_> maintaining is probably not unlike plumbing
[11:21] <bashrc_> fixing leaks...
[11:38] <Myrtti> a smart person would've checked the wind speed before laying out the laundry on an outdoor clothes line
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> the rain told me today was not a good day to dry /klingon
[11:52] <Myrtti> clear blue skies here
[11:53] <foobarry> here too
[11:54] <foobarry> well, brick walls and a little patch of sky at the top from where i'm sitting
[12:02] <diplo> Had blue skies all morning but the temperature has plummeted now and gone all grey :(
[12:03] <MooDoo> grey and overcast here
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> rain all night with gusts of wind, very wintery.
[12:29] <davmor2> popey: mvm hard is definitely more like Extreme MDK mode :D
[12:40] <popey> davmor2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m56Tfyy9fWI - mvm music in that video
[12:45] <davmor2> popey: uu level 72 start to get cramped too,  that video is hilarious and the music is definitely mvm
[13:40] <ChunkzZ1> does anyone know of any sites like novatech for barebones pc's?
[13:45] <ujjain> is indoor shooting something you can do with friends in the UK?
[13:45] <ujjain> or mostly clay pidgeon shooting?
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> i believe the house of westminster has a rifle range...
[14:00] <davmor2> ujjain: Wolverhampton has an Olympic grade indoor shooting range
[14:00] <ujjain> ah nice
[14:00] <ujjain> house of westminster? :o
[14:00] <ujjain> that could be cool, although a bit far, let me do some googling
[14:02] <davmor2> ujjain: there are plenty across the country I just know the one at wolverhampton
[14:02] <ujjain> ah yeah, but by public transport might be tricky
[14:07] <davmor2> ujjain: no the riffles and stuff would be at the club rather than at home
[14:09] <popey> ujjain: bisley has a lot of ranges
[14:09] <popey> easy to get to from london
[14:10] <ujjain> ahah thanks
[15:18] <ujjain> I have signed up 2 times for a bank account and 2 times the bank made a misatke and opened a wrong bank account and immediately closed it, it shows up as lending facility requested 2 times. Does this hurt my credit score?
[16:01] <marshmn> hi; I understand that a number of SSDs have built-in hardware encryption functionality - are such things supported by Ubuntu/Linux? I'm not having much luck finding out info on it
[19:21] <mapp> what phone to get..hmmm needs to be dual sim which limits choices a bit:)
[19:23] <mapp> does anyone have a smart watch?
[19:37] <shauno> not yet.  they don't have a pre-order date for Ireland yet :(
[19:40] <daftykins> best error today
[19:40] <daftykins> XFS: file system too large to be mounted on this system.
[19:40] <daftykins> :D
[19:40] <daftykins> turns out a 32-bit host can't mount >16TB volumes
[19:40] <shauno> oops
[19:41] <daftykins> nah it's fine, his file server has 10.04.4 still on it, so i need to reinstall anyway :)
[19:41] <shauno> you still have 32bit hosts?  it's a Pi ?
[19:41] <daftykins> 2GB RAM pentium dual core file server
[19:41] <daftykins> dedi headless
[19:41] <shauno> ooh
[19:41] <shauno> I miss the p4 era
[19:41] <shauno> especially when my heating's bust
[19:42] <daftykins> nah this was LGA775, so it's an E2180 i think
[19:42] <daftykins> http://ark.intel.com/products/31733/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E2180-1M-Cache-2_00-GHz-800-MHz-FSB
[19:42] <shauno> actually, I still have a dual-quad-xeon around here somewhere
[19:42] <daftykins> :D
[19:42] <shauno> I might have to hook up that arduino thermometer thing and see if it actually can raise the room temp
[19:42] <daftykins> i've booted a live session of 14.04 and am rsync'ing the old array to the new, now
[19:42] <daftykins> with --progress \o/
[19:44] <daftykins> i'm updating a tomtom for someone right now 0o
[19:45] <daftykins> he went to Malaga and had no roads to escape the airport apparently :D
[19:45] <shauno> not a bug, it's a feature - they do this to the GB models intentionally ;)
[19:45] <daftykins> hehe
[19:46] <daftykins> just doing a 1.4GB map update 0o
[21:11] <m0nkey_> lol, this article has convinced me to drop OSX in favor of Ubuntu or Fedora.. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macbook_yosemite_4way&num=1 :)
[21:15] <foobarry> why not opensuse
[21:15] <foobarry> seems a clear winner
[21:16] <m0nkey_> that means downloading another iso :-P
[21:26] <diddledan> just got my birthday prezzie together - a nice new shiny chair
[21:26] <mapp> nice
[21:26] <mapp> :D
[21:26] <diddledan> it's 1) comfy, 2) silent when I wheel it about
[21:26] <mapp> a good chairs a wise investment
[21:26] <diddledan> my old one had got squeeky
[21:26] <diddledan> indeed
[21:26] <mapp> the arms fell off my chair
[21:26] <diddledan> oops
[21:27] <mapp> cheap rubbish though from argos
[21:27] <diddledan> aah
[21:27] <mapp> so shouldnt be surprised:)
[21:27] <mapp> literally they snapped lol
[21:27] <diddledan> this one's an £80ish
[21:27] <mapp> ok i was leaning on it..but still
[21:27] <diddledan> lol
[21:46] <mapp> cool first dates is back
[21:46] <mapp> quite like that show
[21:54] <shauno> I've just started with 'black sails'.  desperately running out of TV
[22:43] <mapp> heard its good
[22:43] <mapp> on season 1 shauno?
[22:43] <daftykins> i made a hilarious blunder today
[22:43] <mapp> gah i cant find my pension application form
[22:44] <mapp> bought it home to read and fill out and now..no idea where i put it
[22:44] <daftykins> i changed my xbox live account to be based in Guernsey... fired up the old xbox360, "sorry there is no xbox live in your region"
[22:44] <mapp> lol
[22:44] <daftykins> thanks Microsoft
[22:45] <daftykins> do any of you guys understand this weird loophole about online transactions for digital content being allowed to charge VAT from the originating country of the service?
[22:45] <daftykins> presumably xbox live is based in Ireland so they can charge people VAT from there on their downloads
[22:45] <ali1234> what's to understand?
[22:45] <daftykins> why it's allowed :)
[22:45] <ali1234> it isn't
[22:46] <ali1234> since 1st of jan they changed the rules
[22:46] <daftykins> oh is this the funny named thing that's causing business in Ireland to get the squeeze?
[22:46] <ali1234> yes
[22:46] <daftykins> hrmmm
[22:46] <ali1234> now you have to pay VAT in the country where the service is used
[22:46] <ali1234> which means you have to deal with VAT laws from 30 odd different countries
[22:47] <ali1234> and the threshold where you have to register for VAT is no longer 80k, it's now 0
[22:47] <ali1234> because some countries don't have any threshold
[22:47] <daftykins> which is no doubt why they refuse to offer the service to Guernsey residents
[22:48] <ali1234> meanwhile the multinational companies this law was supposed to target just moved their business out of the EU entirely and then carry on as before
[22:48] <shauno> beacuse there's only 3 of you.  It'd cost them more in time than they'd gain from sales :)
[22:48] <daftykins> "we'd have to deal with VAT refunds then!"
[22:48] <daftykins> shauno: :D there is that, true
[22:49] <mapp> does it affect us as consumers?
[22:49] <mapp> we'd be paying VAT anyway?
[22:50] <daftykins> now you probably get to pay the UK rate instead of the Irish rate, i dunno which it picks
[22:50] <shauno> I'm not sure why it'd squeeze ireland much, VAT is 20% here.  it's corporate tax that's easy
[22:50] <daftykins> Irish VAT is 20% as well?
[22:51] <shauno> 23 apparently
[22:51] <intrbiz> IIRC there is an exception for tailored content, which is modified for each purchase
[22:52] <shauno> but only 4.8% on cattle apparently.  you're not buying cows on xbox are you?
[22:53] <daftykins> shauno: maybe... my Guernsey Golds need some friends
[22:53] <daftykins> Cow Simulator for xbox
[22:53] <shauno> hm.  there's a man in a van down the road, who stores random animals in abandoned lots.  I might be able to hook you up :)
[22:54] <shauno> I have no idea what he's doing this week.  they look like really hairy baby horses
[22:54] <daftykins> there is one amusing thing, i buy xbox credit from amazon.co.uk VAT free to add to my account... so technically i get more money than i pay for :D
[22:57] <daftykins> here we are, £10 of xbox credit from amazon - £8.33 :D
[22:58] <shauno> and you wonder why it might be easier to just say no :)
[22:58] <mapp> so it makes no diff to me pay samwe tax really?
[22:58] <mapp> nice daftykins
[22:59] <daftykins> shauno: hmm? no to...?
[22:59] <shauno> for xbox to just say no to .ge
[22:59] <shauno> instead of having money going backwards
[22:59] <daftykins> y'mean .gg? :>
[23:00] <daftykins> (that's our TLD)
[23:00] <shauno> -_-
[23:00] <daftykins> funny thing is my mates just have their bank cards on their accounts so it comes direct
[23:00] <daftykins> i only discovered this loophole recently, i used to buy credit on ebay
[23:01] <shauno> random, I found out recently that Kosovo doesn't have a two-letter iso thingie
[23:01] <mapp> hate losing stuff such a windup :( really
[23:01] <mapp> what do they have shauno
[23:01] <shauno> that's it.  they just .. don't
[23:01] <shauno> they use .xk I think, because .x* are reserved for nothing
[23:01] <mapp> hm
[23:01] <mapp> oh
[23:01] <shauno> but it's not 'theirs'
[23:03] <shauno> it seems whoever assigns these is so glacial they make the civil service look good
[23:03] <mapp> strange eh
[23:03] <mapp> .gi for gib
[23:04] <mapp> altho think my hostname is .com
[23:04] <mapp> gibconnect.com
[23:04] <shauno> that's kinda normal it seems.  it seems in most cases, the smaller the registry, the more they try to milk it
[23:05] <daftykins> ^ i have to renew my .gg soon, £45 a year =|
[23:05] <daftykins> £90 to register + first 12 months
[23:05] <daftykins> i've been thinking about talking to a local politician to ask why local business isn't allowed to show off their proud locality, due to being screwed for the rates ;)
[23:06] <intrbiz> shauno: IIRC Kosovo currently has the temporary code XK until it is reconised by the UN at which point ISO can issue it an official code
[23:09] <shauno> huh, I didn't realise they weren't recognised yet.  just that they hadn't been given an official designation
[23:15] <intrbiz> shauno: Kosovo is currently not a member of the UN as 85 countries do not still recognise it
[23:18] <diddledan> including russia?
[23:19] <intrbiz> diddledan: yes
[23:20] <diddledan> who'd have thunk it
[23:20] <intrbiz> indeed
[23:21] <diddledan> to be fair to russia, they just want to recreate the ussr
[23:22] <intrbiz> diddledan: I think they'd like to keep control of the imporant bits of it
[23:23] <intrbiz> it always amuses me the people who think the UK's country code is UK rather than GB
[23:23] <diddledan> so who's got UK? :-p
[23:23] <intrbiz> no one
[23:23] <diddledan> ukraine?
[23:23] <intrbiz> Ukraine is UA
[23:23] <diddledan> obviously
[23:23] <intrbiz> UK is reserve on our request
[23:24] <diddledan> UA surely fits UAE better, no?
[23:24] <intrbiz> the codes are derived from the elements of a country name which are not generic
[23:24] <diddledan> i.e. dubai
[23:24] <intrbiz> diddledan: nope
[23:24] <diddledan> aren't letters kinda generic tho
[23:24] <intrbiz> the terms: United, Kingdom, etc are not used to derive the code
[23:25] <diddledan> I mean A is surely in a lot of country names
[23:25] <intrbiz> diddledan: UAE is just AE
[23:26] <diddledan> I like how we're the only country I'm aware of that needs to tell other people that they're impressive, important etc.
[23:26] <diddledan> we're not just Britain, we're GREAT
[23:26] <diddledan> oh yeah, and northern ireland
[23:26] <diddledan> we ignore them tho and hope they'll be quiet for once
[23:26] <intrbiz> diddledan: United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northen Ireland
[23:27] <diddledan> I propose replacing Great with Amazing
[23:27] <intrbiz> diddledan: Awesome ?
[23:27] <daftykins> horribly US word :P
[23:27] <diddledan> Most Excellent?
[23:28] <intrbiz> Honourable
[23:28] <diddledan> that's a joke, right?
[23:28] <diddledan> *cough* GCHQ *cough&
[23:29] <diddledan> "Ah did not have sexual relations with that internet"
[23:29] <shauno> it's not amazing.  it's "big".  big britain, little britain.  grand britain, britany
[23:30] <diddledan> obviously by "sexual relations" we refer to the dictionary for the words "Rape" and "Pillage"
[23:30] <diddledan> shauno: kinda like the midget insists he's tall for his age?
[23:31] <intrbiz> We could simplify to: Great British Empire
[23:31] <diddledan> what empire?
[23:31] <diddledan> we gave it all back
[23:32] <diddledan> and ever since they've all been killing each other
[23:33] <intrbiz> we can invade again
[23:33] <diddledan> good idea. how are you fixed for tuesday?
[23:33] <diddledan> I can pencil-in an invasion for the weekend if time is of the essence?
[23:34] <diddledan> the question, though, do we let them know we're about to conquer them or let them find out when they wake up?
[23:35] <intrbiz> they'll find out when we erect the flag
[23:35] <diddledan> like america did when they conquered iraq?
[23:35] <diddledan> "mission accomplished"
[23:37] <diddledan> I say lets have a bipartisan empire with the americans - we get the middle bit and america gets the two sides
[23:37] <diddledan> obviously on american maps that's back asswards
[23:38] <diddledan> jeez, chrisccoulson died?
[23:38] <diddledan> [23:38:00] 	chrisccoulson (~chr1s@ubuntu/member/chrisccoulson) left IRC (Quit: OSError: [Errno 130] Owner died)
[23:38] <intrbiz> never knew IRC was so deadly
[23:39] <intrbiz> must have been some kind of virus
[23:39] <diddledan> maybe. or skynet
[23:40] <intrbiz> or the sky falling down
[23:40] <diddledan> I'd be crushed if that happened to me
[23:42] <daftykins> IRC is already a life sucker, but to kill? :(
[23:42] <daftykins> i replaced the boss' Lenovo X240 Intel 180GB SSD with a 512GB Crucial MX100 today \o/
[23:42] <daftykins> he's letting me keep the old one D:
[23:43] <intrbiz> daftykins: nice
[23:43] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31843001 <-- does that mean you're allowed to post porn that does have their consent?
[23:44] <daftykins> i may put it in the old girl's new laptop
[23:46] <intrbiz> diddledan: I believe pornograghic pictures are permitted under the T&Cs
[23:46] <diddledan> really?
[23:46] <intrbiz> assuming they are legal
[23:46] <diddledan> hmm, I'll keep an eye out then
[23:46] <daftykins> brb host restart coming up
[23:47] <diddledan> daftykins: your local system or a proxyish thing/
[23:47] <daftykins> hilariously i IRC from a Linux VM atop a Windows host :D
[23:47] <daftykins> so patch tuesday it is
[23:47] <diddledan> that was yesterday!
[23:47] <daftykins> yeah i delayed :P
[23:47] <diddledan> teehee
[23:47] <daftykins> also we only get it at 6pm of course since that's early Seattle time :>
[23:48] <diddledan> yeah it means that wednesday in most businesses must be rather fraught with panic
[23:48] <intrbiz> diddledan: @porn