[00:17] Maaz: ping [00:17] Squirm: pong [04:48] morning barrydk and others [04:49] our power goes off in the next hour or so, so, you guys hold the fort [04:58] :p [05:03] hi mazal [05:04] Môre oom [05:16] More almal [05:25] see yo9u this avy guys [05:25] you as well [05:40] o.o [05:40] morning all [06:05] Molweni amabuntu [06:10] hi [06:10] how are you? [06:10] feel like a game of warthunder? [06:16] morning [06:16] actually, chat later, off to work [06:19] sorry dudes for lack of response. [06:20] ... was busy "researching" bluetooth headset/headphones. [06:20] Padroni, it's near impossible to play with a mouse. I need to borrow a joystick. (I even tried with a PS-like controller) [06:22] I play just fine with a mouse? [06:27] Padroni, my mouse is "iffy", it [06:27] ... it's one of those wireless mice you get free as corporate gifts. [06:42] hmm... can they be so late, or is it another strike day [06:44] hi ThatGraemeGuy Padroni inetpro and others too [06:44] mornings [06:47] hi Kilos / ThatGraemeGuy [06:47] hi inetpro [06:48] I have a nice gaming mouse, andrewlsd [06:48] but I use it on my desktop, which have no games installed on it [06:48] my laptop has a cheap wireless mouse [06:48] but after a while you get used to is, and you learn to play with what you got [06:49] I only play League of Legends and Warthunder [06:49] So I can't claim to be anything other than a casual gamer [06:49] lol [06:55] * mazal hears the word gaming and are suddenly awake [07:00] I was hoping to play DCS [07:00] ... flight simulator [07:00] lo andrewlsd [07:00] ... coz I just want to "fly" . [07:00] why you showing afk? [07:00] I don't have time to develop a campaign nor do I want to have my games prematurely ended by being shot down all the time. [07:01] ... I'm a total gaming noob [07:01] Hi KIlos [07:01] ... I only installed Steam to find out what the hype was all about. [07:01] lol neelsie gets lots from them [07:02] he swears by steam [07:03] Steam is awesome [07:03] Does lots of great work for gamers [07:03] Just a pitty the platform it runs on is so expensive :( [07:04] ... what, Steam platform? [07:04] pc [07:04] I only tried the free-to-play stuff [07:04] mazal, lol [07:04] No normal person can afford proper gaming pc in SA anymore [07:04] oh. [07:05] I run it on my MX14 (alienware) [07:05] A medium rig is now R13000 , without OS or software [07:05] my next door neighbour has a hectic setup. 4 screens, multiple top-of-the-line graphics cards, head tracking. [07:05] ... and an Occulus Rift [07:06] his "c" drive is a 512GB SSD. [07:06] But as far as Steam itself goes , awesome. Great specials all the time , drives converting golden oldies game remakes to HD , drives game developers to develop for linux also , etc. [07:06] They do great work [07:06] so yeah. thats serious cash. [07:06] +1 mazal [07:07] It's thanx to Steam and their Steam OS project that many big name developers are starting to develop for Linux also , like gearbox with it's Borderlands project [07:08] They even make their own servers available for online play for some of the older titles who shut down their own servers and then give you a copy of their steam version free if you have a valid disk based version and key [07:09] And their linux library is growing by the week [07:11] +1 [07:11] I gotta go [07:11] will be back later [07:11] * andrewlsd lurks [07:11] ok [07:11] but a parting gift: Google 'Humble Bundle' [07:12] I paid R70 for Battlefield 3 and 4 other games [07:12] as part of their promotions [07:12] Padroni: yeah , great deals there [07:12] later [07:12] I haven't used them much as I am not a big indy fan [07:12] * Symmetria dances around as he looks at his latest traffic stats [07:13] we finally broke the level of more than 50% of our traffic is african sourced [07:13] maaz I am hungry again , what have you got today ? [07:13] mazal: One learns a new thing every day [07:13] haha [07:13] * mazal munbels [07:14] maaz What's for breakfast ? [07:14] mazal: What? [07:14] he sees i am as a command i think [07:28] +1 Symmetria [07:45] Kilos: [07:45] pvt? [07:45] Cheers folks, am away for a bit. [07:46] Eish. I cancelled my DSTV 2 years ago. [07:46] lol [07:46] This morning I receive a mail: We noticed you recently cancelled your subscription. Do you mind doing this short survey on our service? [07:47] RECENTLY? [07:47] lol [07:47] they just woke up [07:47] lol [07:47] Africa [07:49] yeah [07:49] Afri-can't [07:54] hi8 TinuvaMac [07:58] morning Kilos [08:00] hi TinuvaMac [08:00] * Padroni is hungry [08:00] lol [08:00] * mazal too [08:01] Maaz maak 'n plan man [08:01] mazal: What? [08:01] youre mouth controls you [08:55] Maaz: I am hungry again , what [08:55] inetpro: I am hungry again , what have you got today ? [08:55] uh [08:55] Maaz: forget I am hungry again , what [08:55] inetpro: Okay [08:55] good mornings [08:56] Hi DarkSurferZA [08:56] Yo, just a sec [09:02] yo [09:05] wb DarkSurferZA [09:06] DarkSurferZA: ask staffers for a cloak at #freenode [09:09] highvoltage: thanks for mentioning apt the other day [09:10] yo inetpro , havent considered a cloak just yet. Not sure if the privacy thing is a real issue when you roam on a 3g connection. [09:11] you think it is worth it? [09:11] rather be safe [09:11] yes [09:11] some of us here makes port-scan jokes and get into trouble when we see an IP [09:11] * Padroni goes and sits in the corner again [09:12] :-) [09:12] hehe [09:12] Padroni: that's my spot [09:12] damnit [09:13] * Padroni gets up and walks away [09:13] ai! [09:15] haha, if a port scan reveals anything of note in your environment, you're going to have a bad time [09:16] indeed [09:16] * Padroni shoots another Win8 user in frustration [09:16] i usually tell lies when any of my servers are port scanned. lots of "windows" services exposed [09:20] what do you have against windows 8 man? [09:21] lol [09:21] everything has a purpose. sadly, even windows. ok, except mac. their only purpose is ... actually, what are macs good for? [09:21] the fact that I have to help them figure out their OS? [09:21] They look pretty [09:21] I think that is what they do. [09:21] gives hipsters something to aspire to [09:22] Speaking of which - I just packed up my iMac this morning. After 4 years of sitting on my desk, being unplugged [09:22] my employer decided they need it more than I do [09:22] so I am sending it back [09:23] guy, it looks pretty on the shelf. at R20k+, its a pretty expensive ornament [09:23] yes [09:23] it served a purpose to me once, I will not deny it [09:23] but I kinda evolved past OSX [09:23] it does not impress anymore [09:24] I can hear Telkom outside [09:24] re-tarring my driveway [09:24] where they dug trenches to lay new cable [09:25] had them replace most of the cable in my street last year [09:27] Good day to you all. Sorry to intrude upon your discussion. I am a local Ubuntu user and need some technical help. Is this the right channel to ask? [09:27] Yes. Go for it. [09:27] Thank you! [09:28] You have arrived. Speak your mind, son [09:28] I got an error message when I booted up my machine today. I should take 1 minute to type it out for you ... thanks [09:30] "The disk drive for /mnt/wwn-0x50004cf20ea1581f-part1 is not ready yet or not present. Continue to wait, or press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery [09:30] I had an issue with my external USB drives yesterday, and played aroudn with a few suggestions I foudn on the web, and suspect that this has something to do with the problem [09:31] IWhat issue, and what suggestions? [09:31] Do you absolutely need the drive to be present at boot-up? If not, just skip it and fix it once you've booted. [09:32] The USB external drive would immediately and automatically remount everytime I clicked on "safely remove" [09:33] Ok, thanks Confluency, No I do not need the drive top be present. So I will be glad to fix it after I've booted. How do I fix it? [09:33] What did you do to try to fix the remounting problem? [09:34] Thats a question .... [09:35] One thing I did was change moutn settings in Disks ...... But I also ran some script (which I would have to try and retrieve now, I foudn it on some site) [09:35] sorry for my typos, I'll try to type more carefully ... [09:36] In future, I suggest that you carefully log stuff like this somewhere safe. Otherwise it will be very difficult for you or anyone else to figure out what you did aftwreards. [09:36] If you can't remember the day after, imagine trying to decipher this a year later. ;) [09:37] Thanks, that sounds intuitively right !! GRIN/Squirm .... I'll do that in future for sure [09:37] Please try to retrace your steps now and remember what you changed. There are several open bugs for drives automatically remounting. [09:38] Okay thanks, I'll do that, but it may take some time. [09:39] Check your browser history -- you may be able to find the site that way. Did you save the script somewhere? [09:40] Yes, I'll check browser history, and send the link thru when I find it. The changes I did in Disks, are more easy to remember though ... I opened "Disks", then did "Edit Mount Options" [09:41] I think Disks is a GUI interface to /etc/fstab. [09:41] Whatever script you ran may have changed those settings again. [09:45] Yes, Disks is a GUI [09:46] I know it's a GUI; I'm not sure exactly what it does under the hood. But it probably just edits /etc/fstab. [09:47] I am totally unfamiliar with /etc/fstab [09:47] so I'll take your word for it ... thanks [09:48] It's the configuration file which stores information about mounting various disks. It does look like Disks edits that file. https://www.liberiangeek.net/2014/01/daily-ubuntu-tips-mount-partitions-in-ubuntu-from-your-desktop-gui/ [09:48] A script is likely to have edited the file directly. [09:49] yes... [09:51] is there any script for changing disk mountings back to 'default'? === Webtricity is now known as Guest94488 [09:55] Confluency, is there anyway I can post a screen shot of the 'suggestion' from yesterday? [09:55] Or shall I type it out? [09:55] Its not long? [09:56] What format is it in now? [09:56] Here goes: this is what I first did: sudo apt-get install udisks [09:57] then: sudo udisks --unmount /dev/sb1 && udisks --detach /dev/sb1 [09:58] sorry thay should be: /dev/sbd1 [09:59] sorry: /dev/sdb1 !! [10:00] OK. Is that the "script"? [10:00] thats what I ran from terminal [10:01] Is that what you were talking about earlier when you said you ran a script? [10:01] Yes [10:01] I'll check and see I there was anything else [10:02] That shouldn't have changed anything permanently in your config; it's just a one-off command to unmount a drive. You do have udisks installed now; I'm trying to find out if that package also installs any kind of daemon. [10:03] I think that you will have a new service running now, but I don't know if that's going to change anything. [10:03] yes [10:03] You can probably just reverse your changes in Disks. [10:03] What version of Ubuntu do you have? [10:03] Okay Ill have a look there now [10:03] 14.04 [10:04] Have you been running Ubuntu long? Did you have the remounting problem in previous versions? === Akiva is now known as Webtricity [10:07] I had 14.04 32bit as dual boot with WinXP for long time. Just this week upgraded to 14.04 64bit, and installed virtualbox and then inside virtualboxinstalled WinXP guest. The hard drive problem only seemed to occur after I setup the Virtualbox and WinXP with gusetadditions so I could acces the drive in WinXP , [10:07] I had that same issue a while back. Was on 12.04. It happened only with a specific seagate external and was unable to find a fix unfortunately [10:08] My hard drive is a Transcend USB 3.0 [10:11] I gotta run. Laters, folks. [10:12] Hmm. I'm afraid I don't know very much about this kind of setup, which is what is likely to be the root cause of your problem. [10:12] I just noticed, my other USB external drive is mounted, but is not showing in the 'launcher' [10:13] Well, thanks for your willingness to have tried help me ... [10:14] Possibly someone else will know more about this specific issue. If you don't find help in this channel, you can also try the mailing list, or another LUG. Whereabouts in ZA are you? [10:14] I am in Pietermaritzburg, KZN [10:16] Sorry, I'm such a Newbie, which 'mailing list'? [10:16] I don't think there's an existing Linux User Group in KZN. You can try the ubuntu-za mailing list, though: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za [10:16] Okay, thanks ..! [10:16] You can also try #ubuntu on this server -- that's the global Ubuntu help channel. [10:16] Which has > 1000 users. [10:16] Thanks confluence, appreciate it muchly [10:17] It scrolls pretty quickly, so try to summarise your problem into a coherent block of text. ;) [10:17] Thanks for your advice. I'll give your suggestions a go :-) [11:38] 'lo [11:59] guys, anyone have an opinion on docker? [12:03] looks interesting, heard good things [12:03] been meaning to try it [12:12] looks like a good product, but the architecture looks questionable [12:12] also, why docker and not openvz? [12:12] so many difficult choices [12:15] no idea, haven't compared them, what are you looking to do with it? [12:17] container based virtualisation, but everyone is all docker hyped, and i am just sitting here like, WTF man [12:18] seems like it has a bigger community [12:19] yeah, it does [12:19] but you know how popular != better [12:21] yes [12:23] yes. you want to pick a project that's well maintained/supported though, IMO [12:25] the technical bit behind docker just makes me afraid. when something is architected badly, its always going to be bad when it scales [12:28] I haven't look too much into it, what about it concerns you? [12:29] I'm interested in it mostly because google's container engine use it. [12:29] that offering is all about scale [12:30] https://cloud.google.com/container-engine/ [12:32] welcome oom [12:32] :D [12:32] ty power came again back [12:33] oh are they load shedding again [12:33] next time is in two weeks time then this area is done [12:34] na they are putting all the overhead cables to houses underground [12:34] 3ofcoins.net/2014/12/06/of-containers-docers-rockets-and-deamons [12:34] kindda sums up the bad [12:34] afternoon all [12:35] hi all [12:35] I just realized something [12:35] ohi superfly [12:35] what [12:35] also coreos.com/blog/rocket/ [12:35] my next batch of homebrewed beer will be ready on Saturday [12:35] lol [12:35] * Padroni plans on spending most of Saturday testing the new batch [12:35] belly grumbling already [12:36] you leave my belly out of this [12:36] lol [12:36] we talked abou this, Kilos [12:36] i understand docker is just a config file for a container, and openvz is the container, so shipping is quick. [12:36] "Never trust a skinny chef." [12:36] same principle for brewers [12:36] wait till your knees [ack up from carrying the belly weight all the time [12:36] pack [12:36] I weigh less than 100Kg [12:36] I think they will be fine [12:36] lol [12:37] lol [12:37] but with chef, ansible, puppet and saltstack,, the push configs into actual containers, i still dont understand why the *nix zealots havent abolished it [12:39] i mean, the criticism when there is a new gnome release gos on for months, but no comment on the fact that the docker architecture just cant scale to the end goal [12:40] rocket's points are interesting I thought [12:41] looks like they are about security though, not scaling? what do you mean when you say can't scale to the end goal [12:54] how do I automatically "identify with the services" each time I open IRC/xchat? [12:54] hi kulelu88 2days in a row. wow [12:55] ja oom. hoegaanit? [12:55] kulelu88: In the network list, edit the network and add a password [12:55] in your client you edit freenode and where you choose channels enter yor passwords below [12:55] No wait, I'm wrong - lol [12:55] You want to modify the connect commands [12:55] 2 places to enter password [12:55] oh ja. it's done in the network/server for each server [12:55] I'm thinking my znc login [12:56] hi Trixar_za [12:56] Hi Kilos [12:56] goed dankie kulelu88 en jy? [12:56] im good [12:57] I prefer HexChat these days though - it's more organized in some ways [12:57] inetpro superfly hello [12:57] And he leaves - lol [12:58] lol [12:58] trying it out [12:58] wb kulelu88 [12:58] didnt work kulelu88 [12:59] I am identified as kulelu88 [12:59] oh you havent been cloaked yet? [13:00] I was cloaked previously, but I am letting that username expire [13:00] then just cloak this one [13:00] Can we get cloaked with our own domains? [13:00] ask staff at #freenode [13:01] oom I have to wait a while before they will cloak me [13:01] wb DarkSurferZA [13:01] why? [13:01] i think that their rules [13:01] if your old nick was cloaked you can just group this one to it and it will be cloaked [13:02] that is interesting [13:06] kulelu88 there are commands to do it with [13:07] Hehehe [13:07] I just learned the power of write and wall [13:32] i dont think you can spawn up 1000 containers on a single machine using an architecture where everything runs off of a single process - as root [13:33] the security implications sound a bit ouch if one gets woops [13:53] fair enough. container engine does this across many hosts though [14:18] Was he referring to docker containers? @ magellanic [14:25] yep [14:28] magellanic: can I pick your brain about dockerfiles? [14:29] I don't have much experience with it, but go ahead [14:30] magellanic: say I create an Ubuntu + Py container that just has the basics going (python + setup tools + pip) [14:30] now I want to create a specific dockerfile for django. Do I write a dockerfile and spin it on top of the Python image to create a Django image? [14:33] first off, I'd search the current list of public images for django [14:35] magellanic: good idea [14:35] and second as you describe sounds right, build on top of the image you have, if that's appropriate [14:38] see "creating your own images" over at https://docs.docker.com/userguide/dockerimages/ [14:38] thanks [14:58] hi nlsthzn [14:59] uncle Kilos , alo :) [15:00] *sigh* - http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/03/10/2250207/south-african-government-issues-plans-to-censor-internet [15:03] time to protest? :p [15:03] lol [15:06] take to the streets :) [15:06] as long as they dont censor irc it wont affect me [15:10] forget internet. you saw how they robbed that tv presenter on live tv!!! [15:10] lol [15:16] sharpen those toyi-toyi skills.. [15:21] Maaz tell ThatGraemeGuy Nice move adding the /spawn in so peeps can see it immediately. and your reactor switch rocks [15:21] Kilos: Okay, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode [15:28] what is the ZA minetest server uncle Kilos ? [15:28] * nlsthzn is installing it to see what you guys have been up too [15:28] mt.donaldson.za.net [15:29] and we have a minetest channel #minetest-za [15:30] nlsthzn tell me if you spawn in the new hut please [15:31] hmmm [15:31] is it typically slow? [15:31] keeps saying item definitions [15:31] first time in takes a while [15:31] after that its better [15:32] ah ok and I am a bit away from ZA land too :p [15:32] also when you open it you untick lots of things that slow it down [15:32] let me see how to get there [15:33] in settings i only have smooth lighting ticked [15:34] * nlsthzn is sure his PC can handle what ever minetest can throw at it [15:34] except if it is coded like crap [15:34] no man it be lekker [15:34] but then I simply remove it and be on my way ;) [15:34] unticking that stuff speeds up login [15:34] mods might be, but generally the server and client is pretty well coded [15:35] I would untick the shader stuff though. Slows down stuff and is really not needed [15:35] And don't use the Linux distro's version. Use the one on launchpad :P [15:36] the ppa [15:37] ah so I have an outdated client [15:37] I have Enable Particles, 3D Clouds and Fancy Trees enabled [15:37] because it still hasn't logged in >.< [15:37] ya [15:37] :/ [15:37] Yeah 0.4.11 is the latest [15:37] stand by [15:37] And it runs pretty fast [15:37] takes under 1min to login [15:38] Faster than 0.4.10 atleast :P [15:38] upgrading now [15:39] remove that one and get the latest nlsthzn [15:39] oh ok [15:39] ;) [15:39] apt-get dist-upgrade [15:40] My server is @ rock.gigirc.com [15:40] I need to change the spawn point. Hmmm [15:40] * nlsthzn is busy logging in again [15:40] https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+build/7047883 [15:41] https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable [15:41] is it working? [15:41] and I am in [15:41] a little hut [15:41] yay [15:42] yay [15:42] near me [15:43] *ugh* I never liked minecraft that much [15:43] lol [15:43] It's not minecraft [15:43] some thing [15:43] Well, not how mine is anyway. I never liked the whole craft part. The build part was more fun [15:44] So mine is a creative server [15:45] hi Mopkop [15:45] put all the bells and whistles on [15:45] wanna see if my PC dies [15:45] Hello all! [15:45] It will run generally well. It's the shader stuff that will slow it down to a drag [15:46] Especially if you have HD texture packs loaded [15:46] still 60fps [15:46] Amazon should really get a Kindle reader for linux. [15:48] Right - reasonable spawn point added [15:48] so are there mobs in the game? [15:48] will I die at night/ [15:48] ? [15:49] no mobs [15:49] peaceful game [15:49]