[00:02] <sgclark> Riddell: nice :)
[02:50] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ping
[02:52] <ahoneybun> I need a link to the lp for ubiquity kubuntu
[02:54] <prth> ahoneybun, https://launchpad.net/ubiquity
[02:55] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to find the vivid version of the slideshow so I can branch it and upload my changes
[02:56] <prth> ahoneybun, both qt and gtk frontends are in the same package and for slideshow maybe you can check https://launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow
[02:57] <ahoneybun> prth: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-92
[02:57] <ahoneybun> that is vivid or at least what is on my system
[02:58] <prth> ahoneybun, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu ?
[03:00] <ahoneybun> all in one package then prth?
[03:01] <prth> ahoneybun, i think so
[03:01] <ahoneybun> I think that is it then prth!
[03:01] <prth> ahoneybun, yes i confirmed it :)
[03:02] <ahoneybun> now to make my own branch lol
[03:04] <ahoneybun> prth: how do I make my own branch with the changes I have already made?
[03:04] <ahoneybun> I found this but it talks about doing it from scratch http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[03:06] <prth> ahoneybun, commit the changes and bzr push lp:~<user-name>/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kool-new-slideshow
[03:07] <ahoneybun> prth: bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "file:///home/aaron/Documents/Kubuntu/Ubiquity-Mine/.bzr/checkout/".
[03:07] <ahoneybun> commited
[03:07] <ahoneybun> *committed
[03:08] <ahoneybun> I went into the dir and ran bzr init-repo
[03:12] <prth> ahoneybun, did you add all the files after init-repo?
[03:13] <prth> ahoneybun, moreover it would be easier to merge if you bzr branch the lp package and replace the changed files
[03:15] <ahoneybun> yea doing that now prth thanks
[03:16] <prth> ahoneybun, welcome
[03:25] <ahoneybun> prth: still no working treee
[03:28] <prth> ahoneybun, "bzr checkout ."
[03:28] <ahoneybun> within the dir
[03:28] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:29] <ahoneybun> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/aaron/Documents/Kubuntu/Ubiquity-Mine/.bzr/branch/": location is a repository.
[03:29] <ahoneybun> I have to get off anyway
[03:30] <ahoneybun> thanks prth
[03:31] <prth> ahoneybun, yes
[03:32] <prth> ahoneybun, if you are starting a new repo then bzr init-repo followed by bzr add 
[03:33] <prth> ahoneybun, otherwise if you are branching from lp repo then bzr init-repo followed by bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu 
[03:58] <ahoneybun> Riddell: prth I'm off for tonight but I'll leave this here: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/15.04
[03:58] <ahoneybun> right now just the icons are different
[03:58] <ahoneybun> off
[04:01] <prth> ahoneybun, good night
[04:34] <ScottK> Riddell: or someone, please take care of quassel if you didn't already as I'll have no time before Friday.
[08:39] <Riddell> sgclark: nice first post :)
[09:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:23] <soee> good mornign lordievader
[09:25] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[09:26] <soee> lordievader: pretty good, you ?
[09:29] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[09:38] <sitter> Riddell: friend, where art thou? ping!
[09:41] <yofel> sitter: you really had too much time on saturday ^^
[09:41] <yofel> If anything, the only wrong statement in the post would be that there's no more package with complex rules. Yes there are. Interesting read otherwise xD
[09:43] <sitter> yofel: mh, about the time. I do really have a second post with a sequencer -> https://gist.github.com/apachelogger/467f2bf442291c3182bd
[09:43] <sitter> :P
[09:44] <yofel> ah, that's what the to-be-continued was for xD
[09:44] <sitter> yofel: does any example of complex rules package come to mind? because I can't even think of one that actually uses file patterns and that is a pretty strong use case of make
[09:45] <yofel> hm, pykde4? That uses a bunch of substitution references in the targets IIRC
[09:45] <yofel> or not
[09:46] <sitter> that's the thing. most of the rules we perceive complex are in fact just a bunch of phony targets with a wall of shell (that usually has trailing \ because each line is its own fork)
[09:47] <yofel> sip4 would be a better example
[09:47] <yofel> I think the most retarded example I can remember would be the mono stuff in the old kdebindings. But that's why nobody ported it
[09:47] <sitter> sip is almost what it should be yes
[09:48] <sitter> mono stuff actually from what I understood when I looked at it some 4 years ago was already pretty resonable with debhelper
[09:48] <sitter> problem was that most upstreams did weird things
[09:49] <sitter> yofel: going to rephrase that complexity bit. thanks for reading :)
[09:49] <sitter> Riddell: when you return ... is there a particular reason why you left okteta use the ABIManager? it screws with the symbols and is useless. albeit, when removing the abimanger now it will break the symbol table because the symbols don't get mangled anymore :S
[10:05] <soee> oh plasma 5.3 will have wallpaper contest :)
[10:49] <Riddell> hi sitter 
[10:49] <Riddell> sitter: okteta used ABI manager in kdelibs4 times becuase it kept braking ABI without bumping soversion and it was used by kdevelop
[10:49] <Riddell> so that's been kept in kf5 land
[10:50] <sitter> keeping abi manager without actually changing the ABI is very bad
[10:51] <sitter> also now that we integrate it we would catch a lack of sobumping
[10:54] <soee> for you pressing ALT + F2 also switches tty now not activating krunne rby default ?
[10:55] <Riddell> sitter: well nothing deps on it so you could get away with cheekily dropping abi manager
[10:55] <Riddell> soee: nope
[10:56] <sitter> my oh my
[11:18] <sgclark> morning
[11:18] <Riddell> oh gosh sgclark, I do worry about your sleep patters!
[11:18] <Riddell> patterns
[11:18] <sgclark> yeah :(
[11:22] <sitter> on that note... anyone working on kf5.8?
[11:22] <Riddell> nope
[11:23] <Riddell> maybe I will later, wanted to look at gtk themeing this morning
[11:23] <sitter> I am pondering on the notion of writing an initial tooling chain to have it handled through jenkins, that would however require a bit more time
[11:23] <Riddell> although it's no longer this morning
[11:24] <sitter> Riddell: kdeconnect also still needs its redness resolved one way or another http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kdeconnect-plasma/7/parsed_console/
[11:25] <sitter> sgclark: okteta will need a new upload momentarily btw. I am working on dropping abimanager
[11:25] <sgclark> sitter: k, np
[11:26] <Riddell> sitter: by adding a not-installed file?
[11:27] <sitter> Riddell: considering upstream says it is needed they need to go into a -dev package I'd say
[11:27] <Riddell> sitter: upstream says they're not needed unless someone wants to make external plugins
[11:28] <Riddell> which means "I don't want to think about this because then I'd have to care about ABI stuff"
[11:28] <sitter> Riddell: then explain to upstream that he musn't install them
[11:28] <sitter> actually ABI doesn't even matter
[11:29] <sitter> what he needs to do si make sure the so-version gets bumped when he breaks ABI
[11:29] <sitter> if he does that we might as well package the dev stuff to enable third party development
[11:30] <Riddell> he doesn't want to choose, I'll see if I can just change git to not install the headers
[11:31] <sitter> ok
[11:33] <Riddell> not installing the headers is fine, not installing the .so names is harder
[11:34] <sitter> sgclark: 
[11:34] <sitter> To apachelogger-guest@git.debian.org:/git/pkg-kde/kde-applications/okteta
[11:34] <sitter>    a40f885..7836d7d  kubuntu_vivid_archive -> kubuntu_vivid_archive
[11:34] <sitter> Riddell: it's one flag
[11:35] <sitter> Riddell: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/kio-extras/repository/revisions/9e44dfa16facbad57b1b13737ba0beda6ab083a8/diff/network/network/CMakeLists.txt
[11:35] <Riddell> interesting
[11:38] <sgclark> sitter: ppa5 up
[11:38] <sitter> thanks
[11:38] <sgclark> np
[11:42] <Riddell> sitter: kdeconnect pushed
[11:42] <Riddell> hopefully I'm right in my judgement that vaca doesn't have an opinion and wants one made :)
[11:43]  * sitter pokes ci
[11:43] <sitter> we usually use reviews for that :P
[11:45] <Riddell> meh, beurocracy always gets in the way of action
[12:56] <Riddell> meh, there I was thinking all was happy when suddently it's not
[12:56] <Riddell> can someone test installing gtk-orion and trying firefox for a few minutes?
[12:57] <sgclark> sure
[12:58] <sgclark> E: Unable to locate package gtk-orion
[12:58] <sitter> http://i.imgur.com/O5aob6s.jpg
[12:59] <sitter> probably would be more useful to test in a VM xD
[12:59] <sitter> sgclark: orion-gtk-theme
[13:00] <sgclark> is it in a ppa or something?
[13:00] <sgclark> E: Unable to locate package gtk-orion-theme
[13:01] <sitter> sgclark: regular archive
[13:01] <sgclark> hmm
[13:02] <sgclark> ahh silly me
[13:06] <Riddell> sgclark: put this file in ~ and restart firefox http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/.gtkrc-2.0
[13:07] <Riddell> sgclark: I had fonts go weird after a few minutes of using
[13:07] <Riddell> but I don't know if that's the fault of the font or the orion theme or what
[13:07] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh look at http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/14380/do-we-need-a-license-to-sell-the-photos-of-empire-state-building
[13:07] <Riddell> are some of the characters missing?
[13:11] <Riddell> hmm they're missing even without that gtk settings file for me
[13:11] <Riddell> so maybe something else entirely
[13:12] <sgclark> seems fine to me
[13:12] <Riddell> ok maybe it's just my computer not liking stackexchange rather than a problem I just created
[13:13] <Riddell> that's good, breeze uploaded with new gtk settings :)
[13:34] <soee> sgclark: 14.12.3 should be ready today ?
[13:35] <Riddell> don't pressure her, she's working as hard as she can!
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:38] <sgclark> soee: in theory yeah. got some kde stuff going on atm, sorry for the delay...
[13:40] <soee> sgclark: np :) just ready to test as always
[13:42] <BluesKaj> still have the kde-init problem , but otherwise the OS seems quite stable atm
[13:52] <arved> hi, which ppa is the one to use for 14.10 + kf5 ? the one i used seems to be deprecated...
[13:53] <Riddell> sitter: what have I done wrong with breeze? http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_breeze/159/console
[13:54] <Riddell> arved: right, use the deprecated one or switch to vivid beta
[13:55] <soee> arved: i think only kubuntu-ci but im not sure
[13:55] <arved> hm, how useable is vivid-beta?
[13:55] <soee> arved: almost stable :)
[13:56] <Riddell> almost, I need to test sddm today to see if the vt1->vt7 change has helped or hindered
[13:56] <soee> im using vivid liek 2-3 months alrerady without bigger problems
[13:57] <arved> hm, ok except that the update from 14.10 kf5 is not supported :) let's see if i will manage it
[13:58] <Riddell> I recommend a reinstall, others have had success installing kubuntu-desktop and upgrading from there
[14:00] <sitter> Riddell: as I mentioned yesterday the bigger problem really is that plymouth doesn't shut down
[14:01] <sitter> the DM is supposed to take over from plymouth and tell it to quit
[14:01] <sitter> so chances are the problem really is that plymouth gets a trigger and then requests focus which causes the vt switch
[14:01] <sitter> and in that sense simply moving sddm to vt7 would be a workaround
[14:01] <sitter> not a fix
[14:05] <soee> kernel upgrade again :-)
[14:38] <Riddell> 14:36 <happyaron> Can you subscribe ~kubuntu-bugs to extra-cmake-modules? I'm filing MIR for it for another package, and even I have another team to subscribe to the package, it would be great if Kubuntu team  can keep an eye on it
[14:38] <Riddell> how do I do that?
[14:38] <Riddell> I can see the list but I can't see how to add to it https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[14:41] <Riddell> oh worked it out, you need to do it from the package page
[14:47] <sgclark> Riddell: I am at a loss on analitza. It says new symbols for i386 but when I try to batchpatch it say no valid patches found
[14:51] <Riddell> sgclark: looking
[14:53] <Riddell> sgclark: yep it had a new symbol, I committed and pushed, what were you doing?
[14:54] <sgclark> tried using pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch
[14:56] <sgclark> plus 50 other things, anyway thanks :)
[14:59] <sgclark> Riddell: cantor... kalgebra missing file, isn't kalgrebra kf5 while contor is kde4 so not compatible right?
[14:59] <sgclark> err cantor
[15:00] <Riddell> oh yes I did something with analitza didn't I
[15:00] <Riddell> cantor is kf5
[15:01] <sgclark> not the tarball we have
[15:01] <Riddell> and so is libanalitza6 from analitza
[15:01] <sgclark> buildsystem=kde
[15:02] <Riddell> analitza4 source package makes the kdelibs4 libraries
[15:03] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm, something is messy here
[15:04] <Riddell> sgclark: yes I'm just reding it wrong
[15:04] <Riddell> cantor is kdelibs4
[15:04] <Riddell> and it uses analitza4 to make cantor-backend-kalgebra
[15:05] <Riddell> kalgebra is kf5 and uses analitza
[15:05] <Riddell> sgclark: so what's the problem? kalgebra not in ninjas?
[15:06]  * Riddell spots bug 1427560 
[15:07] <Riddell> sitter: what do you think is the best solution for a kde library to install packages from apps?  e.g. kcm locale needs it, dolphin file share needs for samba, gwenview for kipi-plugins etc
[15:07] <Riddell> sitter: muon could gain command line, it could be packagekit, or a new framework library to do the right thing?
[15:07] <Riddell> dantti: got an opinion? ↑
[15:15] <sgclark> Riddell: nah kalgebra is in ninjas fine. cantor is in there to but with issues. missing kalgebra file and missing analitza
[15:15] <sgclark> both of which are kf5, but cantor (at least this one) is kde4
[15:15] <Riddell> sgclark: ok I'll take a look
[15:15] <sgclark> thanks
[15:16] <Riddell> but first, ktp presense applet!
[15:17] <sgclark> lol
[15:18] <kfunk> heya guys: weird issue: Alt+Left, switches from X to another VT. this is new behavior. do you get this as well?
[15:18] <kfunk> (or Alt+Right, resp.)
[15:19] <Riddell> kfunk: I've had it on some installs and then I reinstall and it disappears
[15:19] <Riddell> it's very annoying when trying to go back in browser history
[15:19] <kfunk> I have it right now, and oh dear, annoying like hell :)
[15:19] <Riddell> and it's quite a mystery to me
[15:19] <kfunk> Riddell: exactly
[15:19] <kfunk> this should be X11's fault, right?
[15:19] <Riddell> yes could well be
[15:21] <kfunk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1429766
[15:22] <Riddell> kfunk: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[15:22] <kfunk> woah:
[15:22] <kfunk> InstallationDate: Installed on 2009-11-01 (1953 days ago)
[15:22] <kfunk> InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala" - Release amd64 (20091027)
[15:22] <kfunk> that's epic 
[15:22] <Riddell> where's that from?
[15:23] <kfunk> 6 years of upgrading, twice a year, and the system is still not borked? :)
[15:23] <kfunk> from that bug report
[15:23] <Riddell> not bad :)
[15:24] <mparillo> Last night, I applied updates to Vivid and shut down. This morning, it booted to tty1 instead of SDDM. I applied updates in tty1, and got lots of ufs errors. Is this a known problem? 
[15:25] <Riddell> mparillo: :(
[15:25] <Riddell> mparillo: is sddm starting on vt7?
[15:25] <Riddell> cos I uploaded it yesterday to do that
[15:25] <mparillo> How do I switch to tty7?
[15:25] <Riddell> mparillo: alt-f7
[15:26] <mparillo> Alt-F7 gives me a blank screen.
[15:27] <mparillo> Alt-F1 gets me back to tty1.
[15:27] <Riddell> so sddm isn't starting I guess
[15:27] <Riddell> systemctl start sddm ?
[15:27] <BluesKaj_> udo service sddm restart
[15:27] <BluesKaj_> sudo
[15:28] <Riddell> BluesKaj_: that's old school no? systemd land uses systemctl
[15:28] <mparillo> I have used BluesKaj_ version.
[15:28] <mparillo> In the past. I will try Riddell vesion from tty1
[15:28] <shadeslayer> plz use systemctl 
[15:29] <mparillo> It asked for my password, and I got the SDDM login screen.
[15:29] <BluesKaj_> Riddell, ok , but it seems to me I restarted sddm with that command with systemd-sysv installed
[15:30] <sgclark> Riddell: last one to bug you with I hope.. okular wants libkscreen that does not appear to exist
[15:31] <mparillo> And now I see lovely Plasma 5. TY, and I assume no bug is necessary.
[15:31] <Riddell> mparillo: hmm well it may be, I've yet to test it properly myself
[15:32] <Riddell> mparillo: but now you have a GUI do you fancy writing a wire article about the lwn story?
[15:32] <sitter> Riddell: qapt does all of that
[15:33] <mparillo> Ten Years of Kubuntu?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mparillo bug 1431332
[15:35] <Riddell> mparillo: yeah
[15:35] <Riddell> sitter: but only for apt distros, so it's not a good upstream solution
[15:35] <shadeslayer> oh my, look at that
[15:35] <shadeslayer> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2015.04&user=kubuntu-bugs&period=month
[15:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: digikam is naughty
[15:36] <shadeslayer> I don't have it on my screen, qtcreator is the top crasher on my screen
[15:37] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I think I am blind, I don't see the neon green that is suppose to represent 15.04
[15:37] <mparillo> Hmm, my google-fu seems to be lacking. Do you have the link to the lwn story?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> mparillo: https://lwn.net/Articles/635880/
[15:38] <Riddell> mparillo: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/635880/a9b3bd388f21a263/ (but don't use that link in the story just say it's subscriber only for a couple of weeks)
[15:41] <sgclark> well I don't get that chart. I don't see 15.04 on there at all, but the other info is useful
[15:41] <sgclark> ubiquity is on there alot..
[15:42] <mparillo> shadeslayer: Riddell TY, I think I understand now. If $work allows some mult-tasking, within a couple of hours.
[15:43] <Riddell> thanks mparillo :)
[15:47] <mparillo> Riddell: No, thank you for getting me a Plasma5 Desktop back, and for my first introduction to systemd.
[15:48] <sitter> Riddell: for locale there can't be a gneral purpose solution that is not specific to the kcm
[15:49] <Riddell> sitter: the kcm has a method for installing langpacks, it just has a comment saying //TODO
[15:49] <sitter> e.g. we do have way too many different considerations playing into what gets installed for any given language that you couldn't possibly provide this through an 'install this thing' api
[15:49] <Riddell> sitter: upstream provides the packages as kde-l10n-xx so it would be reasonable for upstream to try to install those
[15:49] <sitter> for samba and kipi it becomes indeed more of an install-this problem where this however still needs mapping to what $this is called in $distro
[15:50] <sitter> Riddell: that makes no sense for us though
[15:50] <Riddell> sitter: why not?
[15:50] <sitter> because we need l10n for libreoffice
[15:50] <sitter> and firefox
[15:51] <sitter> and possibly other stoftware the user has installed
[15:51] <Riddell> so we change kde-l10n-xx to language-pack-kde-xx
[15:51] <sitter> Riddell: what exactly does that solve?
[15:51] <Riddell> sitter: but my question is about the general case, e.g. dolphin needs to install samba for file share or gwenview needs to install kipi-plugins
[15:51] <sitter> that should probably be done through muon
[15:52] <sitter> as I argued when someone had the idea to glue kickoff to packagekit rather than libmuon
[15:52] <Riddell> sitter: but muon doesn't have an easy way for external applications to use it?
[15:53] <sitter> that's why packagekit was used in the end one presumes
[15:54] <sitter> Riddell: I'd first have VDG figure out what the samba thing in dolphin and the kipi thing in gwenview should look like before worrying about the tech to be honest
[15:54] <sitter> best case scenario libmuon needs to grow one function install(QString package)
[15:54] <sitter> perhaps VDG would like a more involved thing in which case muon would need other stuff
[15:55] <sitter> eitherway, libmuon is where that stuff should be going down
[15:55] <Riddell> sitter: to me it feels like a good SoC project no?
[15:55] <sitter> doesn't make much sense to have a package manager that already abstracts on top of apt and packagekit and then go use one or the other again
[15:55] <Riddell> sitter: new CI love may be wanted on git clone debian:kde-extras/kde-telepathy/ktp-legacy-presence-applet
[15:55] <sitter> Riddell: quite possibly
[16:05] <prth> Riddell, adventurous decade of kubuntu! the article is really inspiring :)
[16:05] <prth> Riddell, congrats and thanks a lot
[16:07] <Riddell> prth: ooh yay thanks :)
[16:07] <Riddell> I was worried it would be too much grumping but I think that got fixed in the proofreading
[16:08] <sgclark> I think you expressed all sides well. I enjoyed the article
[16:10] <Riddell> yay!
[16:24] <BluesKaj> hmm , suffering from memory creep here...the RAM usage slowly creeps til it's pactically maxed at the available 6G , the culprit seems to be /usr/bin/plasmashell --shtup showing in htop with several instances using 6.5% memory each
[16:25] <BluesKaj> err --shutup
[16:28] <BluesKaj> wonder what these plasmashell instances could be ?
[16:35] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded cantor and analitza, set okular issues to ignore, there's no kscreen for kdelibs4 now and no activeapp
[16:36] <sgclark> okies, so then we should be ready for testers?
[16:38] <Riddell> sgclark: libkface symbols? 
[16:38] <sgclark> oh bah
[16:38] <Riddell> sgclark: ksnakeduel?
[16:38] <Riddell> hmm I think I have a meeting with the community council shortly
[16:38] <sgclark> that is dead
[16:38] <Riddell> wonder what I should say
[16:39] <Riddell> sgclark: ksnakeduel is in http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/14.12.3/src/
[16:40] <sgclark> well that is odd, somehow go tmissed sorry, uploading..
[16:45] <sgclark> clearly I don't know how to do symbols anymore. How are you patching these symbols Riddell? I just get no patches found
[16:46] <Riddell> sgclark: I used sitter's handy script http://paste.ubuntu.com/10586171/
[16:46] <Riddell> (had to run it through dos2unix)
[16:47] <sgclark> pft
[16:47] <Riddell> first time I ran it manually:   pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 4:14.12.3 buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-i386.analitza_4\:14.12.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_BUILDING.txt
[16:47] <Riddell> but turns out the symbol was arch specific so I had to run it with sitter's script
[16:48] <Riddell> it may still break in the real archive where there's more arches again
[16:48] <sgclark> yeah manually is not working for me
[16:48] <Riddell> sgclark: are you remembering to gunzip it?
[16:48] <sgclark> LOL nope, that is it
[16:49] <Riddell> sgclark: khangman needs a not-installed file added?
[16:51] <sgclark> Riddell: that file is in the not-installed... that error comes up everytime.. I don't rightly know why
[16:54] <Riddell> sgclark: "./usr/lib/*/libkhangmanengine.so" is there but wildcards don't work in not-installed
[16:54] <BluesKaj> gotta be a memory leak , I've done nothing to increase the usage here
[16:54] <Riddell> sgclark: needs to be listed twice, once with x86-64 and once with i386
[16:54] <BluesKaj> up to 75% now , satrted out at 7% or so 
[16:56] <Riddell> "kget source: source-is-missing extensions/webinterface/www/mootools-core-yc.js"  grr, bloody javascript
[16:56] <sgclark> I hate freaking minified js
[16:56] <sgclark> I can never rid of those nasty messages
[16:59] <Riddell> ignore for now, it's upstream's problem
[17:00] <sgclark> ok fixing khangman, then I hope to be done haha
[17:05] <sgclark> what is with libgit2 in kate, it is in control, but does not seem to be seen by the build
[17:05] <sgclark> Riddell: ^
[17:21] <arved> just for the record i upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04 w/o deinstalling kf5 and it worked, apart from KDE becoming inoperable some time during the installation process. 
[17:24] <BluesKaj> arved, so my upgrade from 14.10 with default plasma 4 should go without a hitch
[17:25] <BluesKaj> if and when I decide to do it
[17:25] <arved> well at least you are running a supported configuration ...
[17:27] <BluesKaj> well atm I'm testing 15.04 as well
[17:28] <BluesKaj> and after the last kernel upgrade I ended up with a memory leak 
[17:30] <BluesKaj> it's almost time reboot again since it's about to max out my RAM
[17:53] <Riddell> ooh gosh I'm on http://www.protocolsplugfest.com/europe/speakers/
[17:54] <Riddell> any ideas on what I should talk about?
[17:55] <Riddell> jmux: I might need to pick your brain about that sometime ↑
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin_> hello world
[17:57] <Riddell> mparillo: if you're still planning to write a kubuntu wire article adding a sentence and logo about that conference would be good ↑
[17:57] <Riddell> hola ovidiu-florin_ chico
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin_> can someone help me with a script to get all the internal links from our current site?
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin_> and then test to see which of those links on the new site return a 404?
[17:59] <mparillo> Riddell: i POSTED TO THE WIRE. wHAT CONFERENCE?
[17:59] <mparillo> whoops/
[17:59] <mparillo> Splugfest?
[18:00] <Riddell> mparillo: oh cool so you did :)
[18:00] <Riddell> mparillo: well when you get the desire to write again then http://www.protocolsplugfest.com/europe/speakers/ would be worth a quick wire article
[18:01] <mparillo> You are the only Kubuntu speaker, right?
[18:02] <Riddell> yep
[18:02] <Riddell> but they still have spare slots if anyone else thinks of something to say :)
[18:02] <mparillo> Well, it would not do to plug yourself.
[18:02] <Riddell> actually if anyone thinks of something to say please tell me so I can use it :)
[18:02] <jmux> Riddell: Sure - if I can help. You're in "smb directory services" - not sure how I can help there...
[18:04] <Riddell> no idea why they put me in that track, I'll just write about any sort of "interoperability" or different systems talking to each other
[18:06] <jmux> Well - seems the speaker "tags" are a little bit random. And half of the speakers are from Microsoft. Strange mix. I know 4 of them - all non-MS
[18:14] <Riddell> sgclark: I fixed kget javascript upstream so we can ignore that in kubuntu now
[18:16] <sgclark> Riddell: okies, I am stuggling with khangman, if I fix mine I break CI and vise versa...
[18:18] <Riddell> sgclark: what's up?
[18:20] <Riddell> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/200055238/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.khangman_4%3A14.12.3%2Bgit20150312.1807%2B14.10-0ubuntu0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:20] <Riddell> hmm
[18:21] <sgclark> Riddell: more answers if you look at CI
[18:21] <Riddell> um, weird
[18:21] <sgclark> my fixing of those paths killed CI, so I merged and the other install files no match
[18:21] <Riddell> I've no idea what it doesn't build libkhangmanengine.so
[18:22] <sgclark> so i am reverting and only changing not-installed locally and uploading..
[18:23] <sgclark> clearly there are changes in unstable that are not in this tarball.. though I am curious why pushing to kubuntu_vivid_archive would trigger such breakage..
[18:24] <Riddell> well pushes to kubuntu_vivid_archive get magically merged into kubuntu_unstable
[18:24] <mparillo> Anybody using wxWidgets on Plasma 5. Scrolling is a bit off for me.
[18:24] <sgclark> and that is where it went boom
[18:27] <Riddell> maybe it has changed in kde master..
[18:27] <sgclark> perhaps
[18:27]  * Riddell looking
[18:32] <BluesKaj> anyone have plasma shell eating memory? 
[18:33] <yofel> RES 278MiB here (with a one day uptime)
[18:38] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ping
[18:38] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun 
[18:38] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://imgur.com/2aUmlJ3
[18:39] <ahoneybun> for some reason it does not show the background
[18:39] <ahoneybun> even the old one does not show since I have not put the new one in there yet
[18:43] <Riddell> ahoneybun: sounds like a beastie
[18:44] <ahoneybun> also Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/15.04
[18:48]  * ahoneybun loves the internet Riddell http://www.thepowerbase.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/reddellshotgun.jpg
[18:49] <yofel> wth xD
[18:49] <Riddell> ahoneybun: the original version of that photo had a shotgun
[18:50] <ahoneybun> XD
[18:50] <Riddell> someone pointed out it was a little bit offensive for a pacifist quaker, but hey that's what you get for being an international freedom fighter :)
[18:51] <sgclark> haha
[18:52] <sgclark> Riddell: khangman in ppa fixed... that should be all of it
[18:52] <sgclark> wth  more sysmbols
[18:52] <Riddell> sgclark: I just reverted the khangman branch for kubuntu_unstable so hopefully that'll fix up ci
[18:52] <sgclark> okies
[18:53] <Riddell> sgclark: where are you looking for symbols?
[18:54] <sgclark> evidently libkface has more symbols stuff, I already batch patched once..
[18:55] <sgclark> sorry, I am tired and cranky
[18:55] <Riddell> sgclark: probably it's platform specific, let me try
[18:56] <sgclark> okies ty
[18:59] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah it was so it needs sitter's magic script
[19:00] <sgclark> Riddell: ah okies
[19:00] <Riddell> libkface ppa6 up to ninjas
[19:01] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you so much
[19:01] <ahoneybun> Riddell: will http://www.kubuntu.org/support and http://www.kubuntu.org/community links still work with the new site?
[19:02] <Riddell> ahoneybun: dunno ask ovidiu-florin_ 
[19:03] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin_: ^^
[19:17] <sgclark> Riddell: ok to ask for testers? or did I miss anything else?
[19:20] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh yes let's ask for testers
[19:20] <sgclark> how do you do that fancy irc thing? :)
[19:21] <Riddell> try  !testers | something
[19:21] <sgclark> !testers | 14.12.3 in ninjas needs testing
[19:21] <sgclark> woo
[19:22] <Riddell> :)
[19:23] <yofel> vivid?
[19:24] <Riddell> yofel: yep
[19:24] <sgclark> yes
[19:24] <BluesKaj> sgclark, ok where?
[19:24] <yofel> perfect
[19:24] <sgclark> ninjas
[19:29] <yofel> what's the official way to override the screen DPI detection?
[19:29] <yofel> (in plasma)
[19:33] <BluesKaj> system settings >fonts>forcefonts DPI ?
[19:34] <yofel> that fixed the font size, but thanks to my desktop screen exporting wrong information over HDMI, plasma is like 10x as large as it should be
[19:34] <yofel> except the panel, that's fine for some reason
[19:49] <sgclark> well I upgraded my kernel and cannot reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1431332
[19:56] <BluesKaj> ok my RAM is maxed out again 
[19:58] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://imgur.com/LqXWynW :)
[20:00] <Riddell> ahoneybun: ooh shiny!
[20:01] <ahoneybun> :)
[20:02] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what was weird was that the css was missing the code to set the background, now the preview works so I'm guessing it will work fine on the installer then
[20:03] <Riddell> rocking
[20:04] <ahoneybun> Riddell: can you review please?
[20:06]  * Riddell runs bzr update
[20:06] <Riddell> do I need to run make each change?
[20:06] <Riddell> this thing takes ages to build
[20:06] <ahoneybun> https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/15.04/+merge/252816
[20:11] <Riddell> ahoneybun: building...
[20:11] <Riddell> yay today's live CD boots into X fine
[20:11] <Riddell> so sddm is ok
[20:11] <Riddell> maybe there's a problem on upgrades
[20:11] <Riddell> but I can't upgrade because I'm building ahoneybun's slideshow branch :)
[20:12] <Riddell> or at least I don't want to kill my machine half way through
[20:12] <yofel> I just did a release upgrade of my desktop to vivid, and sddm started fine after that (took a while because systemd got stuck on a missing device, but you saw that)
[20:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: :)
[20:15] <Riddell> yofel: what vt is it on?
[20:15] <yofel> 7
[20:16] <sgclark> I also upgraded and it booted fine
[20:16] <Riddell> yofel: what happens if you  apt install libudev-dev ?
[20:16] <yofel> libudev-dev is already the newest version.                                                                                                                                                                                                                      │··············
[20:18] <ahoneybun> brb
[20:21] <ovidiu-florin_> anyone good with python around here?
[20:24] <Riddell> yofel: what happens if you  apt install libudev-dev --reinstall ?
[20:27] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I can't get it to transition between slides running ./test-slideshow.sh can you?
[20:30] <yofel> Riddell: nothing strange
[20:31] <Riddell> lovely
[20:31] <Riddell> I wonder if bug 1407152 is magically fixed
[20:33] <yofel> can't try it right now. But I do have that as well (killing ksmserver helps for me)
[20:33] <ahoneybun> back
[20:33] <Riddell> 20:27 < Riddell> ahoneybun: I can't get it to transition between slides running ./test-slideshow.sh can you?
[20:33] <ahoneybun> I can't get that script to run
[20:33] <ahoneybun> get some errors
[20:33] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how did you test it?
[20:34] <ahoneybun> ./kubuntu-slideshow.py
[20:34] <Riddell> oh aye, didn't see that
[20:35] <Riddell> hmm also doesn't transition or have the background
[20:35] <ahoneybun> your missing the background?
[20:35] <Riddell> oh it has the background if I ru nthe right branch
[20:35] <ahoneybun> it works on my branch
[20:36] <Riddell> ahoneybun: does the slide transition work?
[20:36] <ahoneybun> it goes though all the slides with a nice "to the left slide" transition
[20:38] <ahoneybun> want a short video Riddell?
[20:38] <Riddell> nah I'll just merge and see what happens then
[20:38]  * ahoneybun looks through the css to edit where the icons are
[20:40] <Riddell> ahoneybun: hmm merge isn't happy https://paste.kde.org/pqiprhnov
[20:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: lots of conflicts on https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/15.04/+merge/252816
[20:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I think you did something funny to your branch
[20:41] <soee> hho
[20:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: could you try creating a new branch with your changes in it so they can be merged?
[20:42] <ahoneybun> Riddell: yea sure, could shoot me the commands as that is where I think I went wrong
[20:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: prth helped me last night but I think I messed something up
[20:43] <Riddell> ahoneybun: bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[20:43] <Riddell> cd ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[20:43] <Riddell> cp <changed file> <changed file location>
[20:43] <Riddell> bzr diff
[20:44] <Riddell> (just to check)
[20:44] <Riddell> bzr commit -m "message"
[20:44] <Riddell> bzr push lp:~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/15.04-2
[20:45] <ahoneybun> ok will do
[20:47] <ahoneybun> that one has a lot more revisions
[20:49] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10587532/
[20:52] <ahoneybun> it looks good to me
[20:54] <ahoneybun> https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/15.04-2/+merge/252819
[20:57] <genii> Heh "PPAs with the highes number of uploads in the last 7 days"   Kubuntu CI Stable (Daily Snaphot) 818   Kubuntu CI Unstable 701
[21:08] <Riddell> ahoneybun: when I merge your branch there is a blank icon on the first slide
[21:08] <Riddell> did you bzr add that icon?
[21:10] <Riddell> ahoneybun: yeah it's missing, you need to  bzr add <filename> for new files
[21:10] <Riddell> then bzr commit
[21:11] <Riddell> bzr push lp:~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/15.04-2
[21:11] <ahoneybun> on the welcome slide Riddell?
[21:12] <Riddell> ahoneybun: yes and firefox for example
[21:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: added those icons
[21:13] <ahoneybun> and pushed
[21:14] <Riddell> fixes the kubuntu logo
[21:15] <Riddell> hmm do I have to wait for it all?
[21:16] <ahoneybun> is firefox still missing
[21:16] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:16] <Riddell> firefox is there
[21:16] <Riddell> no icon on the photos slide
[21:16] <ahoneybun> oh ok let me get the rest
[21:16] <Riddell> icons/gimp.png
[21:16] <Riddell> hmm can you change that to a krita icon?
[21:16] <ahoneybun> yea my icons show up
[21:17] <ahoneybun> yea sure 
[21:17] <Riddell> icons/applications-multimedia.png missing
[21:18] <ahoneybun> Riddell: there is just a paint brush as the krita icon
[21:18] <Riddell> ahoneybun:  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Calligra_Krita_icon.svg or http://www.extvia.com/temp/mascot_20121225_krita.png
[21:19] <Riddell> icons/application-vnd.stardivision.mail.png missing, is that from staroffice?
[21:20] <Riddell> icons/steam.png missing, I think that'll be trademarked and it's not kde surely there's something better?
[21:21] <ahoneybun> Riddell: steam icon was in the breeze set
[21:21] <Riddell> hmm ok
[21:21] <Riddell> but still doesn't mean we won't get in trouble if we use it somewhere that's branding
[21:22] <Riddell> plus we want to promote KDE and not proprietary software
[21:22] <Riddell> (well maybe)
[21:22] <ahoneybun> let me look
[21:22] <ahoneybun> I can't get that krita icon to download as a svg
[21:22] <ahoneybun> got it
[21:22] <sgclark> Riddell: I agree
[21:37] <ahoneybun> Riddell: https://github.com/jsj2008/kdegames/blob/master/kblocks/hi128-app-kblocks.png
[21:38] <Riddell> ahoneybun: looks nice
[21:38] <soee> sgclark: hiho 
[21:38] <soee> hows it going with apps ?
[21:39] <Riddell> soee: needs testing
[21:40] <soee> Riddell: where are they ?
[21:40] <Riddell> soee: in ninjas
[21:40] <soee> Riddell: ppa pls ? i see i has been removed from my sources list
[21:41] <Riddell> msg'ed
[21:43] <soee> Riddell: upgrading
[21:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: everything should be fixed
[21:47] <ahoneybun> bbl I'll be in IRC in a few mobile wise
[21:49] <Riddell> today's live cd seems mostly good but needs autologin fixed on sddm
[21:49] <valorie> eek, today's vivid updates have left me unable to boot up completely: blank screen saying only "starting version 219"
[21:49] <Riddell> valorie: yep, known problem
[21:49] <valorie> solution?
[21:50] <Riddell> valorie: alt-f2  login  systemctl start sddm
[21:50] <Riddell> I've no idea what's wrong with upgrades
[21:50] <Riddell> not everyone seems to be addected
[21:50] <Riddell> affected
[21:50] <Riddell> but I was
[21:51] <valorie> that seems to have worked
[21:51] <valorie> I was going to test upgrading this lappy to vivid today
[21:51] <valorie> I guess that's a simple enough fix to chance it
[21:51] <Riddell> I wonder if /etc/init/sddm.conf doesn't get upgraded
[21:52] <soee> Riddell: upgrade without any errors
[21:52] <soee> will reboot now
[21:52] <valorie> anything I can add that will help figure it out?
[21:52] <Riddell> valorie: can you diff this against your copy? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/sddm.conf
[21:52] <Riddell> soee: watch out for issue valorie just had
[21:52] <Riddell> oh...
[21:52] <Riddell> well if he doesn't return we'll know it's a common problem :)
[21:54] <soee> Riddell: all fine
[21:55] <soee> Riddell: one more thing: why when booting, after few seconds when we see plymouth, we have this "srarting version 219" line ?
[21:56] <Riddell> soee: I've no idea what that's about
[21:56] <Riddell> soee: but sddm starts for you fine?
[21:56] <valorie> identical that computer and your file
[21:56] <soee> Riddell: yes
[21:57] <soee> Riddell: sddm does not work only with nvidia-prime, atleast lat time i tried to install it
[21:58] <soee> now im without nvidia-prime and sddm works nice
[21:58] <Riddell> hmm, so no idea what the issue with valorie (and me and others) is
[21:58] <Riddell> today's image installs and runs fine
[21:59] <Riddell> whever would sddm now not get started by systemd on upgrade I've no idea
[21:59] <soee> about kdeconnect, we have icon visible in systray but when we click on it it fedes out because there are no paired devices, shouldn't this icon in that case be hidden by default than ?
[21:59] <valorie> it restarted yesterday, but today I couldn't come back from a logout
[21:59] <valorie> so I restarted
[22:00] <Riddell> bug 1431332
[22:00] <soee> valorie: logout is broken
[22:00] <valorie> ok, this box i"m typing on becomes the experiement
[22:00] <valorie> anybody fixing that?
[22:01] <Riddell> valorie: logout not working is another known but which (I just tested) seems to be fixed today
[22:01] <Riddell> soee: can you test if logout is working for you after an upgrade/reboot ?
[22:02] <soee> Riddell: were there any chnages lately that shoudl fix this ?
[22:02] <soee> valorie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1427672
[22:02] <soee> oh wait not this
[22:03] <soee> Riddell: one second ill test now if logout works
[22:03] <sgclark> hmm I think I killed my laptop rying to logout heh
[22:04] <mparillo> I have a VM. Want me to test logging out? Safer.
[22:04] <valorie> ok, I confirmed the bug 1431332
[22:04] <soee> Riddell: broken, if i try to logout it ends wth black screen and cursor
[22:04] <sgclark> yeah I am regretting my decision
[22:04] <valorie> logging out here and coming back on my other box
[22:05] <Riddell> mparillo: worth a shot
[22:05] <soee> Riddell: i can login and startx from tty1
[22:06] <soee> sgclark: regreat what ?
[22:06] <mparillo> Hmmm the shutdown 'tab' is gone from the Application Launcher
[22:06] <sgclark> testing logout
[22:06] <soee> :D
[22:07] <sgclark> and now I am in initramfs busybox//?!
[22:07] <sgclark> omg
[22:07] <sgclark> please boot lol
[22:07] <mparillo> Only my Favorites 'tab' is there.  Picking Leave from the 'Hamburger'
[22:08] <Riddell> sgclark: alt-f2 , login,  systemctl start sddm
[22:08] <sgclark> whew
[22:08] <Riddell> oh good :)
[22:08] <sgclark> it is back
[22:08] <sgclark> lol
[22:11] <soee> sgclark: great work on apps, thanks
[22:11] <mparillo> I lost my breeze cursor, screen went blank, but VM did not shut down. No system messages. Sometimes I see something like System is going down NOW. Not this time. Just a blank screen.  Unresponsive to ALT F1-7 or virtual alt control delete.
[22:11] <Riddell> sigh
[22:12] <mparillo> On re-starting my VM, I get tty1. I will try to update.
[22:13] <Riddell> mparillo: systemctl start sddm ?
[22:13] <mparillo> Will do. I planned to update / upgrade first
[22:17] <mparillo> upgrade complete. dist-upgrade complete. systemctl start sddm got me the SDDM login. I needed my password for systemctl even though I had just given it to the sudo apt update
[22:18] <valorie> same here
[22:19] <mparillo> And my application launcher has the leave 'tab' again. Trying it from there.
[22:21] <mparillo> Looks like a dump from the old days.
[22:22]  * Riddell adds bug 1431587
[22:22] <ahoneybun> Did that work Riddell ?
[22:22] <Riddell> ahoneybun: your update? yes looks good
[22:22] <Riddell> to slideshow
[22:22] <Riddell> I'll update it when I've installed my dev tools
[22:23] <ahoneybun> Sweet \o/
[22:23] <Riddell> ahoneybun: if you're in the mood for useful stuff http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour badly needs an update :)
[22:23] <ahoneybun> Ive been talking with ov
[22:24] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: about that
[22:28] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ill be home around 10:30 pm est 
[22:28] <Riddell> great :)
[22:30] <soee> phew, i did apt-get autoremove to remove old kernels and during that action plymouth showed up and i had to reboot :/
[22:31] <ahoneybun> I'll get some screenshots up later tonight Riddell 
[22:31] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: there's a trello checkbox for that in Kubuntu Promotion
[22:32] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed, it's awfull late here
[22:32] <Riddell> ahoneybun: oh I had a request from the kexi buy to put calligra in the feature tour, dunno if you want to keep that in mind
[22:32] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sleep well
[22:32] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell ahoneybunI'm currently working on the first 2 checks in that list (the URLs)
[22:32] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ^
[22:32] <ahoneybun> Libreoffice is the featured suite though Riddell 
[22:32] <sgclark> right and calligra is not installed by default right?
[22:33] <ahoneybun> We could offer it like we do rekonq and chrome
[22:33] <sgclark> yeah that easy to download page or some such
[22:33] <Riddell> ahoneybun: right that's why you may want to ignore it
[22:34] <Riddell> ahoneybun: it was actually for kexi / calligra from the kexi guy
[22:34] <ahoneybun> Oh 
[22:34] <valorie> or sitter will get an aneurysm if we try to offer it by default
[22:34] <sgclark> probably should mention it somewhere as it is KDE
[22:36] <ahoneybun> sgclark: like how we offer rekonq and chromuim
[22:36] <valorie> sure
[22:36] <soee> is there already kf5 kdetelepathy port ?
[22:36] <sgclark> yeah
[22:36] <soee> do we have it in vivid ?
[22:37] <sgclark> oh sorry yeah to ahoneybun
[22:37] <sgclark> no idea on kf5 telepathy
[22:37] <ahoneybun> Who does the decision fall down to Riddell ?
[22:40] <Riddell> soee: there's a port but it hasn't been released
[22:40] <Riddell> ahoneybun: slideshow uploaded, many thanks!
[22:40] <Riddell> ahoneybun: decision on what?
[22:41] <soee> there is widget: webbrowser available but by defautl it does not work as the error message states: QtWebKit is not installed
[22:41] <ahoneybun> Riddell: including calligra
[22:41] <soee> if widget is available shouldn't teh dependency be installed also ?
[22:41] <soee> Riddell: ok
[22:42] <ahoneybun> Riddell: \o/
[22:42] <Riddell> ahoneybun: in the cd or the feature tour?
[22:43] <Riddell> soee: if what widget is available?
[22:43] <ahoneybun> Slideshow
[22:43] <ahoneybun> Unless you were talking about including calligra in the feature tour
[22:43] <Riddell> ahoneybun: the request from kexi/calligra guy was to include it in the feature tour
[22:43] <ahoneybun> Oh
[22:44] <Riddell> but the decision is by whoever makes the feature then feedback from the kubuntu contributors community then if it really needs a vote the kubuntu council
[22:44] <soee> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/12/worksace13.png
[22:44] <ahoneybun> Its not include by default so not sure how to include it in the tour
[22:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I think a slide of "calligra has some lovely bits, try krita or kexi" would be nice
[22:45] <Riddell> since krita and kexi are really lovely
[22:45] <ahoneybun> Never have used it
[22:46] <Riddell> soee: I see the same problem, missing depends I guess, file a bug
[22:46] <Riddell> ahoneybun: try them, they're lovely :)
[22:46] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'll see if i can work it in
[22:47] <soee> Riddell: against ?
[22:47] <Riddell> soee: kdeplasma-addons I think
[22:47] <Riddell> it's late, time to go home
[22:47] <ahoneybun> See yea Riddell 
[22:47] <sgclark> see yas
[22:48] <soee> Riddell: but i dont see such component there https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=kdeplasma-addons
[22:48] <valorie> upgrade of the older laptop is going well so far - ppa-purge seems to have worked just fine
[22:49] <Riddell> soee: on launchpad
[22:56] <valorie> hmmm, do-release-upgrade isn't working; for the beta, how to upgrade in the cli?
[22:58] <soee> Riddell: can you confirm please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/+bug/1431610 ?
[22:58] <valorie> aha, kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade works
[23:15] <ahoneybun> prth: i see my bug was marked at critical 
[23:18] <prth> ahoneybun, yeah & triaged
[23:19] <ahoneybun> prth: \o/
[23:32] <valorie> RIP Sir Terry Pratchett
[23:32] <valorie> what a terrible loss
[23:32] <soee> true :(
[23:33] <ahoneybun> valorie: the slideshow is updated :)
[23:34] <Riddell> it's how he would have wanted, he didn't want to degrade into Alzheimers
[23:34] <valorie> oh yes, I'm happy for him that he's no longer suffering
[23:34] <valorie> just such a cruel end
[23:35] <valorie> excellent, ahoneybun
[23:35] <valorie> I felt the same when my mother went, for the same horrible reason
[23:35] <valorie> at least he could still write for awhile
[23:42] <ahoneybun> Yay
[23:43]  * ahoneybun needs to fill bug against kmail
[23:43] <sgclark> kmail... I want to love it, but alas breaks much to often
[23:43] <KDDA> what problems you having with KMail?
[23:44] <sgclark> my internet is absolutely horrible and timeouts alot, so I get stuck with cannot retrieve collection blah balh, there are many bug reports out with this issue
[23:45] <sgclark> I can restart akonadi and most of the time it works, but filters then seem to stop functioning .. 
[23:45] <sgclark> just tired of fighting with it
[23:46] <ahoneybun> I could not get though the first time setup
[23:46] <ahoneybun> It hangs