[06:04] <pitti> Good morning
[06:21] <didrocks> good morning
[06:32] <didrocks> happyaron: hey, I see your patch on presage, wasn't there supposed to be one on fcitx-qt5 for the build-dep (and extra-cmake-modules?)
[06:45] <didrocks> happyaron: ah good, seeing it now (for some reasons, didn't spot it in -changes)
[06:46] <didrocks> happyaron: however, you are pulling gnome-icon-theme-symbolic/gnome-icon-theme (through  fcitx-config-gtk, mind fixing that one?
[06:46] <didrocks> the rest looks mostly good from germinate-output
[06:47] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:47] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[06:53] <mvo_> didrocks: there was talk that the qr-creatorimplements a daemon for the handling of the chroots, but I was not following that (cf the discussion with seb128 yesterday)
[06:54] <didrocks> mvo_: ah, so we will never *ever *ever* know he was executing the old code which was printing the new code on error (not a biggie, a reboot worked for him) :p
[06:56] <mvo_> didrocks: *cough* yeah
[06:56] <didrocks> mvo_: surely a north-french-german thing :p
[06:56] <mvo_> :P
[07:28] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:30] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst
[07:43] <didrocks> pitti: hum, for bug #1428486, seems there are a lot of NEED_*, should I only take care of STATD in your opinion? With the strategy I wrote on my last comment?
[07:46] <robert_ancell> Can anyone help me try and work out how the ubuntu-desktop depends on the ttf-indic-fonts-core package? It's not in the seed afaict and reverse-depends isn't showing any package that should be bringing it in.
[07:48] <pitti> didrocks: "lot of NEED_*"? there is only NEED_STATD and NEED_GSSD, right?
[07:48] <pitti> didrocks: and the startup of gssd is done automatically based on whether you use kerberos, so this is just a dead setting
[07:48] <pitti> didrocks: i. e. if it was empty, it's determined automatically
[07:49] <didrocks> robert_ancell: hey, it's in the desktop-common seed (I guess pulled by the usb)
[07:50] <didrocks> pitti: some jobs are using NEED_IDMAPD
[07:50] <robert_ancell> didrocks, ah, is "usb" the standard target (i.e. the CD replacement)
[07:50] <pitti> hm, that's not even in the default file
[07:51] <didrocks> debian/nfs-common.init used it
[07:52] <didrocks> pitti: it executes rpc.idmapd
[07:52] <didrocks> no idea what that is
[07:53] <didrocks> pitti: so, as it's a complex case, I propose to be more conservative than for others: I don't ship .override files for upstart, keeping the variables for them (only sedding "this isn't used under systemd" in the conffiles)
[07:53] <didrocks> do the one time transition for systemd
[07:53] <didrocks> + the [Install] patch for enabling/disabling via sytemctl
[07:53] <didrocks> sounds good to you?
[07:54] <pitti> didrocks: (followed up)
[07:54] <pitti> phone, b4rb
[07:55] <didrocks> ok, will do the STATD part already
[08:06] <pitti> didrocks: still feeling a bit uneasy about that, but I guess if there's a use case for controlling these manually, so be it
[08:07] <pitti> didrocks: I actually like the simple nfs-{client,server} split which you can enable/disable, and the rest is automatic
[08:07] <didrocks> pitti: hum, it seems you used git to format your patched in nfs-utils, but if I branch git://git.debian.org/kernel/nfs-utils.git I only saw debian branches, no ubuntu?
[08:07] <pitti> didrocks: no, I did some of them against the upstream git and just copied them there
[08:08] <pitti> the ubuntu upload was just a simple apt-get / quilt / dput thing, no VCS
[08:08] <didrocks> pitti: agreed that should be automatic, but maybe let's just get on parity until LTS and revisit once we removed the need for all those configs
[08:08] <didrocks> ok
[08:08] <pitti> didrocks: well, once you introduce an [Install] it's more work to get it back to automatic
[08:08] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, I do see why you would want to disable statd (if you only use NFSv4)
[08:09] <pitti> didrocks: but I'd leave gssd on automatic until we at least get a comment from Steve
[08:09] <didrocks> pitti: +1, doing that then
[08:10] <happyaron> didrocks: I can weaken the dependency on configuration tool, to get them (including fcitx-config-gtk) out for the moment
[08:10] <didrocks> happyaron: yeah, please do a suggests
[08:10] <happyaron> it's not needed for out-of-box experience, but input method is very related to user's tastes, people may end up installing it themselves
[08:10] <happyaron> ok
[08:11] <didrocks> thanks :)
[08:38] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:38] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:39] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ?
[08:39] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[08:48] <larsu> ochosi: cool!
[08:48] <larsu> morning desktoppers
[08:48] <seb128> hey larsu
[08:52] <willcooke> morning
[08:54] <didrocks> hey willcooke, larsu
[08:55] <larsu> morning!
[08:55] <larsu> how are you all doing?
[08:55] <ogra_> pitti, seems there is still some systemd fallout in desktop-next images (they fail)
[08:56] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:56] <seb128> ogra_, fail to build? or boot? or...?
[08:56] <ogra_> build
[08:56] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-desktop-next
[08:56] <ogra_> i wonder why i only got mail about it today
[08:56] <ogra_> seems to happen since three days already
[08:57] <seb128>  systemd-sysv : Conflicts: upstart but 1.13.2-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[08:57] <seb128> :/
[08:57] <ogra_> right
[08:57] <pitti> ogra_: hm,  could it be that these also want to install ubuntu-standard?
[08:57] <ogra_> yeah, i suspect so
[08:57] <pitti> ubuntu-standard wants systemd-sysv, but the touch seeds want upstart
[08:57] <ogra_> thats a tricky one
[08:57] <pitti> so I guess we'll need to see if u-d-n works with systemd, then we can just drop the upstart seed in the touch seeds
[08:58] <ogra_> only desktop pleae ;)
[08:58] <pitti> (yes, sure :) )
[08:58] <pitti> ogra_: did the fakechroot debootstrap work now?
[08:58] <seb128> pitti, we use upstart for user sessions
[08:58] <ogra_> pitti, yeah, works wonderfully
[08:58] <pitti> ogra_: \o/
[08:58] <pitti> seb128: sure, we do that everywhere (that's upstart-bin)
[08:59] <seb128> pitti, desktop-next should works fine under systemd (the only issue I had this cycle was the cgmanager not start making the dash app start buggy, but that was resolved)
[08:59] <seb128> not starting*
[09:00] <pitti> ah, great
[09:10] <Laney> morning
[09:11] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:11]  * Laney is getting annoyed with no network on every resume
[09:16] <willcooke> popey, ping
[09:16] <willcooke> popey, free for a quick chat?
[09:17] <Laney> ok, updated the bug again
[09:17] <Laney> hey seb128!
[09:21] <popey> willcooke: sure
[09:21] <popey> got 9 mins before next call
[09:37] <pitti> ogra_, seb128: touch seeds pushed, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/1.213 updated
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, danke
[09:38]  * ogra_ crosses fingers
[09:38] <pitti> ogra_: do you have a retry button on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-desktop-next ?
[09:38] <pitti> (once it's published)
[09:38] <pitti> and nice, my world model still had these as cronjobs and shell scripts and logs on people.u.c.; I didn't see that page before
[09:39] <ogra_> i'll just fire a build on nusakan
[09:39] <Laney> those builds are triggered by the rest of cdimage
[09:39] <Laney> you can't really retry them there
[09:40] <seb128> I didn't know about that page either
[09:42] <seb128> ogra_, pitti, please let me know when there is an image build, I can test it
[09:44] <seb128> rsalveti, hey, I'm not sure that the bluez change to have a timeout by default on the discoverable state play nicely with the desktop, we have a manual switch in the indicator/settiings there and the status keeps reverting by itself now
[10:00] <Laney> bah, now I have a fcitx indicator
[10:01] <pitti> today's dist-upgrade installed a gazillion fcitx packages, was that really intended?
[10:01] <pitti> don't we already have ibus for that?
[10:04] <Laney> I think the plan is to have it installed on-demand by language-selector
[10:05] <Laney> seems like too much is being installed currently
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, yeah, it shouldn't pull it by default, we need to look at fixing that
[10:05] <seb128> those landing aimed at adding better support for fcitx for those who use it
[10:05] <seb128> which is mostly China users
[10:05] <seb128> we don't want to change the default or pull both framework for everyone
[10:06] <Laney> I guess a bug report would be welcome
[10:08] <Laney> ah crap, now I'm trying to remove "shouldn't" from my bug text
[10:08]  * Laney stares at Lars Paul Thomas
[10:09]  * Laney just decides to use the damn word :p
[10:11] <Laney> seb128: do we have a way of tracking bugs for this change?
[10:11] <Laney> tag or assign someone?
[10:13] <larsu> Laney: ts ts ts
[10:13] <Laney> ha
[10:13] <Laney> it's "I shouldn't see this"
[10:14] <Laney> probably not a violation of the rule anyway
[10:14] <larsu> interesting edge case
[10:16] <Laney> removed one case from the bug title at least
[10:16] <Laney> bug #1431257
[10:17] <larsu> Laney: I think mpt would still consider that as a wrong use of 'should'
[10:18] <larsu> "showing the indicator even though I only have one input source configured is not useful and visually distracting"
[10:20] <Laney> haha
[10:20] <Laney> I think "this shouldn't be shown because x" and "I don't want to see this because x" is quite a fine distinction
[10:21] <larsu> indeed
[10:21]  * larsu stops being pedantic and gets back to work
[10:21] <Laney> :p
[10:28] <mpt> Looks fine to me 👌
[10:42] <seb128> Laney, "this changes" being fcitx? not that I know, just assign to happyaron or attente_ I guess
[10:42] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I think most of the raw edges around statd are now gone, as always with conffiles, I prefer a double checking, mind giving a look if your eyes bleed on something? http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/nfs_statd.debdiff
[10:42] <didrocks> seems trivial looking at the diff, but there were quite some corner cases :p
[10:43] <didrocks> (tried different updates/install patterns, under systemd)
[10:43] <Laney> seb128: okay!
[10:43] <didrocks> seb128: oh FYI, we discussed this morning and the dep on gnome-icon-theme will be removed
[10:44] <didrocks> (spotted that from germinate)
[10:44] <seb128> didrocks, oh, thanks
[10:44] <didrocks> I guess fcitx-blah-config will degrade the dep to suggests
[10:45] <seb128> or change it to adwaita instead?
[10:46] <didrocks> happyaron: any opinion on this? ^ I know you invoked user's taste, but that could be a better option?
[10:46] <pitti> didrocks: can you please add a bug ref to the changelog?
[10:46] <Laney> did we get g-i-t demoted?
[10:47] <pitti> didrocks: and "let the admin enabl*e* (not *ing*)
[10:47] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, this was already done after the debdiff, ok on enabl* :)
[10:48] <Laney> oh right, it's in main for metacity
[10:48] <seb128> Laney, it's out of the desktop iso at least
[10:48] <Laney> ya
[10:49] <Laney> we don't get alerted via component-mismatches though
[10:49] <seb128> right
[10:49] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[10:49] <Laney> what's all that font stuff?
[10:49] <Laney> what even is the usb seed?
[10:50] <seb128> robert_ancell's doing
[10:50] <seb128> I didn't follow closely but those were sync blacklisted for years
[10:50] <Laney> ah
[10:50] <seb128> apparently Colin did that to get the autosync going in some cycles and they got ignored since
[10:50] <Laney> a lot of font packages got renamed in debian
[10:50] <seb128> right
[10:50] <Laney> probably the new one is in universe or something
[10:50] <seb128> Robert cleaned up the mess
[10:51] <Laney> makes sense
[10:51] <Laney> he probably just needs to chase promoting stuff
[10:51] <seb128> seems like some users in India complained about the fonts being outdated
[10:51] <seb128> right
[10:51] <willcooke> @ Indian fonts - robert_ancell was chasing some people on that
[10:51] <meetingology> willcooke: Error: "Indian" is not a valid command.
[10:51] <seb128> lol
[10:52] <Laney> tell that to the british empire
[10:52] <willcooke> lol
[10:52] <willcooke> oh, I see seb128 already said that Robert was sorting it
[10:52] <seb128> willcooke, well, anyway robert_ancell found me and we unblocked the syncs, so should be mostly good
[10:52] <willcooke> :) thx seb128
[10:53] <seb128> yw
[10:53] <willcooke> back to reviews :(
[10:53] <Laney> I will ignore this for a week ;-)
[10:53] <willcooke> You know, staring at a blank page for an hour isn't helping
[10:53] <willcooke> I don't know what else to try
[10:53] <willcooke> Wait...
[10:53] <willcooke> Tea
[10:53] <Laney> is this writing the reviews?
[10:53] <willcooke> yeah
[10:54] <seb128> still have some of those to do :-/
[10:54] <Laney> http://www.lipsum.com/
[10:54] <willcooke> hahahah
[10:56] <seb128> willcooke, http://mschmitt23.com/performance/ as well
[10:56] <willcooke> niiiiiice!
[10:56] <seb128> :-)
[10:57] <Laney> haha
[10:57] <seb128> why staring a blank page when you can google for random ideas to get the work done for you :p
[10:57] <Laney> Performance review for Sebastien Bacher:
[10:57] <Laney> Physically fit, very rarely sick, and able to meet the demands of a physically demanding job.
[10:57] <willcooke> keep it coming
[10:58] <seb128> lol
[11:03] <Laney> the only box I ticked was "Hygiene" to get that ...
[11:07] <Laney> retrying desktop-next btw
[11:12] <Laney> oh right, it's got to wait for Task: to update
[11:19] <pitti>  ubuntu-touch | 1.213 | vivid/universe | amd64, armhf, i386
[11:19] <pitti> ogra_: ^ can you press ze button, please?
[11:21] <Laney> pitti: I just tasked about that
[11:21] <Laney> talked
[11:21] <Laney> *and* tasked(!)
[11:21] <pitti> hah, thanks Laney
[11:22] <Laney> you have to wait, I think an extra cycle, for Task: to change too
[11:28] <ogra_> pitti, building
[11:28] <Laney> ...
[11:28] <ogra_> meh
[12:36] <attente_> Laney, seb128, is doing that dist-upgrade supposed to pull in fcitx-bin as a recommends?
[12:36] <Laney> you tell me
[12:37] <attente_> i thought it shouldn't, but i don't understand why it gets installed on upgrade
[12:38] <Laney> recommends will be installed, yes
[12:38] <Laney> I have no idea what's right in this situation though
[12:51] <larsu> Laney: styling the osd stuff for totem isn't trivial
[12:51] <Laney> I looked at the rules in adwaita
[12:51] <Laney> seemed confusing
[12:51] <larsu> we still use .png borders for buttons for example
[12:51] <larsu> I can make pure css ones, but they'll look very different
[12:52]  * larsu needs to do visual design yet again :( 
[12:52] <Laney> for which buttons?
[12:52] <larsu> buttons in a osd
[12:53] <larsu> like play/pre/net in totem
[12:53] <larsu> *prev, *next
[12:53] <Laney> ah these ones
[12:53] <Laney> is that what adwaita does?
[12:54] <larsu> no, they can just switch some colors around since they're draing everything in css already
[12:54]  * larsu should not eat and type, sorry
[12:55] <Laney> ya that's what I meant
[12:55] <Laney> cssing them
[12:55] <larsu> but actually they change quite a bit about the appearance of those buttons
[12:55] <larsu> so I guess we can do that as well?
[12:57]  * Laney isn't particularly attached
[12:57] <Laney> would be a user interface freeze break, but I think it'll be okay
[12:57] <larsu> ya indeed
[12:57]  * Laney tries to tab complete GunnarHj and fails
[12:57] <larsu> sorry I didn't get to it earlier
[12:57] <Laney> meh, shit happens
[12:58] <larsu> we could postpone it, but it does look pretty ugly now
[12:58] <Laney> indeed
[12:58] <Laney> fixing is better imho
[12:59] <Laney> also I noticed that if you right click on a video in the bookmarks page (the first screen) you get a huge pixellated check mark
[12:59] <Laney> guess that's a scaled up png too
[13:00] <happyaron> didrocks seb128 I'll see if I can change it to adwaita first
[13:00] <larsu> Laney: indeed
[13:00] <larsu> I really don't want to get into fixing those until we have a new theme
[13:01] <larsu> because it involves redrawing those in css
[13:01] <larsu> or making them into proper icons in the theme (which are scalable)
[13:01]  * larsu wonders if we have svg assets for those
[13:02] <Laney> can't we use a ✓?
[13:02] <Laney> I guess this is the hard bit?
[13:02] <larsu> no, gtkcheckbox doesn't draw text
[13:02] <larsu> ah, adwaita goes the icon-theme route
[13:02] <larsu> interesting
[13:03] <Laney> anyway
[13:03] <Laney> one thing at a time :P
[14:18] <willcooke> Finally catching up with the meeting notes from Tuesday.  This Android notifications thing sounds cool
[14:19] <willcooke> larsu, my 2 cents >  Yes, that's something we should have.  ^
[14:20] <seb128> that's initially why didrocks started looking at the bluez update no?
[14:21] <nessita> pitti, hey there! quick question: I need to keep using juju on my vivid installation, and juju does not work with upstart yet. I was suggested by sinzui to install upstart and retry, but seems like sudo apt-get install upstart complains but then shows upstart as installed: (first 50 lines of https://pastebin.canonical.com/127463/)
[14:21] <nessita> any suggestion how to have upstart up and working again on vivid?
[14:21] <willcooke> seb128, ah, yes  - thats right, needed some new profile support
[14:22] <happyaron> didrocks, seb128, switching to adwaita-icon-theme works
[14:22] <rsalveti> seb128: yeah, I did raise that to cyphermox before doing the upload, but he also agreed to make it have a timeout even on desktop
[14:22] <rsalveti> seb128: and I also saw that bluez5 would have the same change
[14:23] <rsalveti> so if we want that to be like before, we need to change indicator-bluetooth to force timeout as 0
[14:23] <didrocks> happyaron: nice!
[14:23] <rsalveti> one additional dbus call, but while it's a different behavior now, I actually find it the correct one
[14:23] <seb128> rsalveti, right, or drop that UI bit and make the desktop do like other systems, just enable it when the UI is open
[14:23] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, we need the new profiles to do something with it without installing any app phone-side
[14:23] <rsalveti> not having a timeout is kind of annoying, as it will help reducing your battery for sure, specially in laptops
[14:23] <rsalveti> seb128: right, yeah
[14:38] <ogra_> Laney, pitti, assuming the task update has happened, i started a new build a few mins ago ... which failed again :/
[14:38] <ogra_> same error
[14:52] <happyaron> didrocks: I'm adding extra-cmake-modules to the MIR, can I assign it to you for a review? it's not urgent but ECM will be used in future fcitx releases
[14:53] <didrocks> happyaron: sure, please assign
[14:53] <happyaron> thanks
[15:05] <Laney> ogra_: ok, maybe I'm wrong about how often it updates, check with $launchpad folks
[15:05] <Laney> it's probably better to check the field instead of assuming :P
[15:05] <ogra_> Laney, it should run every time the publisher runs
[15:06] <ogra_> afaik
[19:07] <Sweet5hark> larsu, desrt: how is gtk3 on MIR? just asking because LibreOffice on native gtk3 seems to be making great strides: http://caolanm.blogspot.de/2015/03/gtk3-vclplug.html ;)
[19:10] <willcooke> This is very good news :)
[19:11] <mlankhorst> Sweet5hark: you run it in XMIR!
[19:11] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: yes, indeed.
[19:13] <Sweet5hark> mlankhorst: thats boring, willcooke runs LibreOffice in XMir every second day ... ;)
[19:13] <mlankhorst> haha
[19:13]  * Sweet5hark is greedy and wants LibreOffice on native MIR ...
[19:13] <mlankhorst> you can also become a Xmir maintainer and add windowed mode to Xmir :D
[19:14]  * Sweet5hark hides
[19:14] <willcooke> :D
[19:16] <Sweet5hark> mlankhorst: you cant fool me, when we moved LibreOffice bugzilla to our own, I saw (and cleaned) the quips file, including all the dirty laundry of Xorg hackers ...
[19:17] <Sweet5hark> including the self referencing "[alanc] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/quips.cgi?action=show are the most  interesting bits of this channel. not the useful ones though"
[19:36]  * willcooke -> EOD
[19:57] <mlankhorst> Sweet5hark: best one is still th topic in dri-devel...
[19:58] <mlankhorst>  <ajax> nothing involved with X should ever be unable to find a bar
[19:58] <sarnold> hah set in 2012 :)
[19:58] <Sweet5hark> mlankhorst: yeah, thats also in the quips ..
[20:00] <mlankhorst> its older than 2012
[20:00] <mlankhorst> but its double, since all graphic cards have bars too\
[20:06] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[20:07] <robert_ancell> seb128, howdy
[20:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, how are you?
[20:07] <robert_ancell> good
[20:07] <seb128> great
[20:07] <seb128> doko was looking for you
[20:07] <seb128> you put http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg on grumpy mode it seems
[20:08] <robert_ancell> ah, MIR...
[20:08] <seb128> yeah
[20:09] <seb128> is that something you are looking at?
[20:09]  * robert_ancell reverts
[20:09] <robert_ancell> I am now
[20:09] <seb128> thanks
[20:09] <seb128> revert what?
[20:09] <robert_ancell> seb128, the seed change
[20:09] <seb128> if those are just renames it's easy
[20:09] <robert_ancell> seb128, can you approve MIRs? They're just metapacakges
[20:09] <seb128> but dunno if that's the case
[20:10] <seb128> no I can't
[20:10] <seb128> I'm not in the MIR team
[20:10] <seb128> doko mterry or didrocks can
[20:10] <seb128> not sure any of them is around though
[20:10] <robert_ancell> mterry should be...
[20:11] <seb128> right
[20:11] <seb128> but they don't seem to be
[20:11] <seb128> e.g fonts-kalapi is a normal font package it seems
[20:11] <seb128> (just picked a random one)
[20:12] <seb128> or you mean font-indic?
[20:12] <seb128> did it pull in the same fonts from some other binaries?
[20:12] <robert_ancell> yeah, fonts-indic
[20:13] <seb128> why did you seed it?
[20:13] <seb128> does it replace something else?
[20:13] <seb128> how much does it pull in?
[20:13] <robert_ancell> yeah, perhaps we need a subset. For libreoffice it was pulling in the old top package, so we should probably MIR them all though
[20:14]  * robert_ancell plays dependency following
[23:49] <Help> hello
[23:49] <Guest88739> I have a Dell latitude e6400 and my ubuntu wireless will not work
[23:50] <Guest88739> will anyone help
[23:51] <Guest88739> this is stupid
[23:51] <Guest88739> nobody is helping
[23:51] <Guest88739> I have a Dell latitude e6400 and my ubuntu wireless will not work
[23:51] <Guest88739> will anyone help