[00:26] <ali1234> what program is responsible for popping up the window that says "you must reboot your computer to complete updates"
[01:02] <mapp> no idea
[01:02] <mapp> :D
[01:04] <mapp> damnit too awake to sleep
[01:07] <mapp> what to do
[01:37] <daftykins> i'm streaming this new game Ori and the Blind Forest atm
[01:37] <daftykins> oh dear it's nearly 2am already :S
[01:37] <daftykins> http://twitch.tv/daftpunkle
[01:40] <celesteh> Hello, I have a question about wifi authentification, specifically eduroam which uses PEAP. Every other device on earth automagically deals with certififcates, but with ubuntu I seem to need to manually download a certififcate for each institution. Is there some way this can happen without my interaction?
[01:43] <daftykins> might want to try #ubuntu since the UK is mostly asleep right now
[01:45] <diddledan> ssh, tis sleepymoo time
[01:45] <diddledan> daftykins: this stream better be playing daft punk :-p
[01:46] <diddledan> ooh pretty
[01:49] <daftykins> ;)
[01:49] <daftykins> lovely game so far
[02:09] <Azelphur> Does anyone know wtf "player" is, and why it's using 13.3% of my 24GB of RAM? XD
[02:09] <daftykins> O_O
[02:09] <daftykins> what a weird total, you on a quad channel box?
[02:09] <Azelphur> daftykins: tri
[02:09] <daftykins> ah
[02:19] <daftykins> had to reset the boss' sky box again today, damn those things are rubbish
[02:21] <zmoylan-pi> connect a rasp pi to a cd drive and put something on the cd drive to press the reset button so you can do it remotely? :-)
[02:23] <daftykins> haha, oh i meant power cycle really
[02:23] <daftykins> amusingly i was asked by the wife to go look at a problem the nanny was having watching TV
[02:24] <zmoylan-pi> could do that to with a second cd drive :-)
[02:24] <daftykins> i went to where the skybox is, wasn't even displaying a picture over HDMI to the TV - only over the RF output to the rest of the house
[02:24] <zmoylan-pi> yeah i was once asked to look at a washing machine after fixing a computer at someones house
[02:25] <daftykins> :D
[02:25] <daftykins> lmao
[02:25] <daftykins> did you politely refuse?
[02:26] <zmoylan-pi> oddly i fixed the washing machine too.  some wacky ui problem.  simple rtfm problem
[02:29] <daftykins> good man \o/
[02:56] <mapp> good tv tonight
[02:56] <mapp> yay
[02:58]  * zmoylan-pi watches st 4 the voyage home
[02:58] <mapp> crim minds then sunny in philly
[02:58] <mapp> yay
[03:22] <mapp> black sails good? i didnt fancy it when i looked it up
[03:22] <mapp> but several people say its good
[04:10] <mapp> daftykins?
[04:15] <mapp> anyone seen vikings? just looking through series to pickup;]
[04:16] <zmoylan-pi> i've watched season 1
[04:16] <mapp> decent?
[04:16] <mapp> i quite like watching entire seasons after its finished airing..watch a whole season in a few days:)
[04:16] <zmoylan-pi> it's... ok.  i'd have preferred more historical accuracy
[04:18] <mapp> started Oz but not really bothered by it
[04:18] <mapp> did you check that CSI:Cyber? i did even after diddledan said it wasnt great
[04:18] <mapp> and james van der beerk is SUCH A POOR choice for main character imo
[04:19] <mapp> another show with potential ruined by poor casting
[04:30] <mapp> lol workaholics is so funny
[07:10] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:57] <diplo> Morning all
[08:00] <knightwise> hey diplo , morning to you
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:18] <knightwise> morning peeps
[09:05] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[09:05] <knightwise> how are you doing today
[09:05] <knightwise> hey michelle :)
[09:06] <Guest1848> Knightwise Hey :)
[09:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:15] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[09:44] <ujjain> Can somebody running an updated 12.04 check with kernel they run? I run 3.2.0-38-virtual and think it might be outdated.
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Kidney Day! :-D
[09:47] <foobarry>  3.13.0-40-generic #69~precise1-Ubuntu SMP
[09:49] <foobarry> ujjain: 12.04 has the option of running kernels from later releases
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:59] <ujjain> ah ok, thanks.
[09:59] <bashrc_> g'day
[10:41] <foobarry> a user wants a different home dir on another partition, but we won't change it. what should i suggest? edit his .bashrc to drop him somewhere else with cd command? or change $HOME in his bashrc?
[10:58]  * davmor2 makes JamesTait eat steak and kidney pies till he can't move
[10:59] <JamesTait> davmor2, oh no, how terrible. :-P
[11:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: it would be you'd never want to eat another steak and kidney pie again as long as you lived :D
[11:00] <JamesTait> davmor2, I can't imagine that ever happening, tbh. :-P
[11:00] <foobarry> what happens on kidney day
[11:01] <shauno> no-one finishes dinner :(
[11:01] <JamesTait> foobarry, current experience suggests "the same kind of things that happen any other day".
[11:02] <shauno> we take over the world?
[11:02] <JamesTait> foobarry, also, I don't think I fully understood your earlier question, could you expand?
[11:03] <davmor2> foobarry: a lot of them are illness awareness days so it might be don't drink and give them a holiday, or become a donor day
[11:03] <shauno> this is interesting; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31834927
[11:03] <shauno> seems a shame they can't partner with the pi foundation
[11:04] <knightwise> ttytter ... eating up all the cpu cycles on my Pi. #badttytter !
[11:04] <JamesTait> "World Kidney Day aims to raise awareness of kidney-related diseases and of the overall importance of our kidneys to our health. It also tries to highlight preventative measures, in an attempt to reduce the frequency and impact of kidney disease and related health problems, on a global scale."
[11:05] <foobarry> JamesTait: the kidney or home dir question?
[11:05] <foobarry> so kidney day is not about food
[11:05] <JamesTait> foobarry, the home dir one.
[11:06] <foobarry> user says please can my home dir be /data/DEPT/work/barry instead of /data/home/barry
[11:06] <foobarry> we say no, for standards reasons
[11:06] <foobarry> whats the next best thing?
[11:06] <foobarry> change the $HOME env variable, change bashrc to perform a "cd /data/DEPT..barry" command?
[11:06] <foobarry> create symlinks to work/barry and cd manually?
[11:08] <JamesTait> Hmmm.
[11:15] <diplo> I'd just go with No and not explain yourself
[11:15] <diplo> :)
[11:16] <diplo> Whether I try to be tactful or not, it never seems to be understood by users, has he given any reasoning behind why apart from that's what he'd like
[11:17] <shauno> changing $HOME breaks more than it fixes
[11:18] <shauno> eg, if I set HOME=/tmp, "cd ~" takes me to /tmp, and cd ~soneil takes me to /home/soneil.  things will just get weird in subtle ways
[11:19] <shauno> if you have a good reason not to do it "the right way", I'd just accept that as a good reason not to do it the wrong way either
[11:20] <JamesTait> This makes me think about how ecryptfs homes work; after you login, it tries to unwrap the ecryptfs passphrase using the login password, then mounts /home/.ecryptfs/$USER/.Private as /home/$USER and then you have to cd $HOME to see the unencrypted contents. But that doesn't involve messing with $HOME.
[11:21] <JamesTait> But I think shauno is right - twiddling with $HOME after the login session has already started is just likely to make things misbehave in weird and wonderful ways that are difficult to debug.
[11:22] <shauno> I guess you could do something similar to that with mount --bind
[11:24] <diddledan> re: the micro bit. I can't actually find out any information on the device itself
[11:25] <diddledan> it looks like it might be custom built for the beeb like the micro was in the 80s
[11:26] <DJones> diddledan: Have you seen this http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/makeitdigital/micro-bit?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_press_office&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=corporate
[11:26] <diddledan> DJones: yeah, that's where I am now
[11:27] <DJones> ok, litteraly just saw it on twitter
[11:30] <shauno> I guess the final line is probably the biggest clue.  they won't say what's in it because they're not sure yet
[11:31] <DJones> Ugh, I hate websites that start playing music as soon as you go on them, just going through the product partners listed, sciencescope is just a holding page, technology will save us starts blasting music when you go there
[12:08] <foobarry> yeah, i said no, because standards, housekeeping and consistency reasons
[12:08] <foobarry> but you might wanna make some symlinks to make hopping directories easier
[12:08] <diddledan> I think my head just exploded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=72RqpItxd8M
[12:13] <foobarry> is it in 3d?
[12:16] <popey> woah
[12:19] <popey> they got a lot of things right in that
[12:24] <MooDoo> :D
[12:30] <foobarry> what the name for the first steps of troubleshooting you might do in a technical incident? if i'm putting a list of the 5 essential pieces of information for an app (how to restart, config files, server, typical issues), what's a good name for that?
[12:31] <foobarry> its not a complete guide, just the barebone essentials of each app/service that might solve 90% of issues while the main guy is away
[12:31] <popey> PD
[12:31] <popey> Problem Diagnosis
[12:32] <popey> it's what we always called it.
[12:33] <foobarry> there's a term i'm trying to think of relating to the first steps or essential info
[12:34] <foobarry> maybe i'll just write essential info for initial analysis of problems
[12:35] <foobarry> or PD
[12:35] <foobarry> for short
[12:36] <popey> :)
[12:39] <popey> been using ddrescue to backup a usb3 disk in a usb2 port
[12:39] <popey> taking hours
[12:45] <diddledan> foobarry: emergency response?
[12:46] <foobarry> nice try, but i realise that i'm looking for a word in my brain that you guys do not know, which is a bit hard
[12:46] <foobarry> i might use that term as well thoguh
[12:46] <diddledan> try uberflipperamus
[12:49] <JamesTait> foobarry, triage?
[12:49] <diddledan> ooh, that's a good one
[12:50] <foobarry> heh
[12:51] <foobarry> triage is useful for routing issues, this is ServiceEssentials for EmergencyResponse and ProblemDiagnosis, but we do name the service owner for triage too
[12:51] <foobarry> gonna go eat a sandwich
[13:06] <knightwise> Vms are the bomb :)
[13:06] <knightwise> instead of dual booting the mac , i'm just shoving in a linux Vm fullscreen .. Works like a charm .. no driver trouble
[13:11] <diddledan> knightwise: which vm software you using to drive the machine?
[13:11] <diddledan> knightwise: btw, I absolutely loved your spock tribute episode! made me tearful :'(
[13:11] <diddledan> leonard nimoy**
[13:12] <knightwise> diddledan: :) thanx . I'm glad to hear you loved the show. Took me a while to mix the music and samples down.
[13:13] <knightwise> its a mix between the movie soundtrack and a live performance of amazing grace
[13:13] <knightwise> I use virtualbox , the guest os is Chromixium
[13:17] <knightwise> diddledan: The goal I set out when I recorded the episode was : When I get one listener to tear up ... my goal has been achieved
[13:17] <diddledan> mission accomplished :-)
[13:17] <diddledan> teehee
[13:18] <knightwise> :) Radio/podcasts are a powerfull medium for transmitting emotions ...
[13:18] <knightwise> i love working with music and moods and stuff
[13:37] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31834927
[13:37] <foobarry> whats this all about?
[13:38] <diddledan> foobarry: kids like chips, so we're giving them some for free when they go to secondary school
[13:38] <diddledan> (11 is secondary school, right?)
[13:38] <diddledan> or is 11 last year of primary?
[13:39] <foobarry> Microsoft
[13:39] <foobarry> are involved :|
[13:39] <TwistedLucidity> Good - we need children to learn these vital skills /s
[13:42] <knightwise> listening to american radio commercials on Stitcher .. my god !
[13:44] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: One wonders what was so terribly wrong with the Pi2. Ready-built community, already entering schools, will be able to run Windows.
[13:44] <TwistedLucidity> When the BBC Micro launched, it was a bit of a different beast to those on the market at the time. This "Bit" seems very like a "Me too!" product.
[13:45] <foobarry> microsoft weren't in on it?
[13:46] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: They "in on" the Pi2.
[13:46] <foobarry> NIH syndrome?
[13:46] <foobarry> can't support an existing initiative?
[13:47] <TwistedLucidity> That's probably more correct. Or perhaps this is even cheaper?
[13:47] <foobarry> they will get crushed in school bags anyway
[13:47] <TwistedLucidity> Sell the kids cases.
[13:47] <TwistedLucidity> Kerr-ching!
[13:47] <popey> ooh https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/modiphius/the-thunderbirds-co-operative-board-game-by-matt-l
[13:49] <TwistedLucidity> FAB
[13:49] <knightwise> anything that features the thunderbirds is great in my book :)
[13:49] <knightwise> fafafafaaaaa ... !
[13:50] <zmoylan-pi> will they not have to pay a huge licence fee for the rights to use thunderbirds name?
[13:50] <knightwise> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok7J17rGI3s&gl=BE ) just to prove barry Gray's brilliance :)
[13:51] <shauno> ugh, the pi won't be able to 'run windows'.  I can't wait until this win-IoT is actually released so people can see what they're claiming
[13:52] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: Will, it won't be "Windows 10 Modern UI Professional Enterprise Edition Plus" or whatever. But it will be Windows and if it can pump graphics to the screen - that's enough
[13:52] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be huge, cost a bundle, have a sucky battery life and the biggest button will be the reset button to clear errors and restart it
[13:53] <foobarry> the metro newspaper have pioneeered an r of shame like the daily mail, but it never ends
[13:53] <foobarry> the page keeps on scrolling forever
[13:53] <shauno> it won't have a shell, it won't run more than one process .. just how little is 'enough' ?
[13:54] <foobarry> its enough for MS and PHB
[13:54] <knightwise> anyone have a pi2 yet ?
[13:54]  * foobarry doesn't have a pi1
[13:54] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: it won't be able to pump graphics to a screen tho
[13:54] <foobarry> although i borrowed one to try risc OS
[13:55] <shauno> I have two 2's.  I'm not sure how to make a non-silly sentence out of that :)
[13:55] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: it's designed to be interacted with via telnet
[13:55] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Sure? I'd actually like to know proper details on the limitations. I know someone who wants to use them as an RDP client (they tried some RPi1 and they didn't work so well)
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> meant to pick up a pi 2 over the weekend but was busy
[13:56] <diddledan> I've got 2pi2
[13:56] <foobarry> pir^2
[13:56] <diddledan> or should I say, I've got 2pi2, too
[13:56] <knightwise> foobarry: are they a lot faster ?
[13:57] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: ~6 times on average; varies from operation-to-operation though.
[13:57] <diddledan> foobarry: more like 2pi-d
[13:57] <diddledan> erm
[13:57] <diddledan> r
[13:57] <diddledan> 2pi-r
[13:57] <diddledan> aka pi-d
[13:57] <TwistedLucidity> Last months LinuxVoice (I think) had a break-down of the performance differences
[13:57] <diddledan> it's at least 4 times as fast
[13:57] <foobarry> when do they opensource their issues?
[13:58] <shauno> I haven't done anything to particularly tax them yet, but on stuff like emulating a ps1, re-assembling dpkg's caches, etc, it's much betterer
[13:58]  * diddledan taxes shauno 
[13:59] <diddledan> 50% rate for you, boy-oh
[13:59] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: A year after publication. Think the first two issues are now out there
[13:59] <knightwise> I was wondering if I could use it as a PLEX server
[14:00] <shauno> and the 'limitations' of win10's pi support is there's no OS.  it's a .net stack running on the pi so that you can treat it like an arduino from visual studio
[14:00] <diddledan> docker on a mac? http://blog.docker.com/2015/03/kitematic-a-docker-gui-joins-the-docker-family/
[14:00] <shauno> not docket, just a docker-gui.  you can run docker as a client, to interact with docker running on another machine
[14:01] <foobarry> http://www.linuxvoice.com/download-linux-voice-issue-4/
[14:01] <shauno> (there's a 'yo dawg' joke in there somewhere)
[14:01] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: Is. That. All? Yeek. I assumed it was going to be some kind of knobbled Windows stack with a CLI and (maybe) some way to push/relay graphics. So it really can only be used for GPIO stuff then?
[14:01] <foobarry> i love the idea
[14:01] <shauno> right, that's why it's being pushed as an 'internet of things' platform.  it's not a desktop
[14:01] <foobarry> i'm driving to st albans next week to pick up a massive stash of old magz off a guy
[14:02] <foobarry> and then may attempt to read or scan them
[14:02] <foobarry> scanning will destroy them though
[14:02]  * TwistedLucidity utterly fails to see what anyone would want Windows on a RPi2 in that case
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> because management decreed it
[14:02]  * TwistedLucidity thinks there's w-a-y better tools for those kinds of jobs
[14:02] <shauno> well, if you're a windows dev in a windows world, you'll be able to build wotsits and run them on a pi, just the same as linux users currently can
[14:03] <diddledan> shauno: oic (re: docker on a mac) they integrate with this to run docker on a mac rahter than running docker on a mac: http://blog.docker.com/2015/02/announcing-docker-machine-beta/
[14:03] <TwistedLucidity> If you are a decent dev of any sort, you can get to grips with Python (or whatever) in a day.
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> except that i don't see the same guides and instructions for windows on pi popping up at the same rate
[14:03] <shauno> but as far as I can tell, that's about it.  it lets them do whatever in .net that we've already been doing for 3 years
[14:04] <TwistedLucidity> I just hope the RPi Foundation doesn't give up on the F/OSS community with MS weighing in.
[14:04] <diddledan> as far as I can tell regarding windows on pi is that they're able to say it's windows running on a pi because it uses the NT kernel and some basic windows-style initialisation routines
[14:05] <diddledan> e.g. the services paradigm for background.. erm.. services
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> the olpc spent a fair time getting windows working on the olpc
[14:05] <foobarry> its ARM , are they putting mobile OS on instead?
[14:06] <diddledan> they're not really putting an OS as most people would define it - they're putting a hardware shim that can run .net executables as shauno said
[14:06] <foobarry> lamerrific
[14:07] <diddledan> it's little more than just a kernel and enough libraries to run .net in headless manner
[14:08] <TwistedLucidity> Guess I'll hear the screams in a bit then, my mate has his company signed-up for some dev-preview type thing.
[14:08] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: this? https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/windows-developer-program-for-iot
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> wince was going to change the mobile market, as was pocket pc, windows mobile and windows phone
[14:08] <diddledan> I've signed up for that too
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> completely unusable
[14:09] <shauno> right.  the "for IoT" part is the bit people seem to be glossing over
[14:09] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: windows phone changed the market - it made the apple iphone a compelling choice
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> and eliminated nokia
[14:09] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Don't think it's that, he deffo said they wanted to use RPi2. Maybe their plans changed.
[14:09] <diddledan> well the elimination of nokia was mainly due to the elopalypse
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> who was hired to make nokia ms digestible
[14:10] <diddledan> bingo
[14:10] <diddledan> he has a track record of such things
[14:10] <diddledan> e.g. macromedia and adobe
[14:10]  * daftykins steps back, agasp
[14:10] <daftykins> what's the late night group doing alive at 2pm!?
[14:10] <diddledan> daftykins: breathe!
[14:10] <daftykins> :D
[14:11] <diddledan> daftykins: my boss insisted I do some actual daytime work
[14:11] <shauno> 6am shifts this week, I can'd do the late late show
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> insomnia, can't sleep, clown will eat me...
[14:11] <daftykins> d'aww
[14:11] <daftykins> for my recent crimes i've been asked to decrapify a Windows machine today :(
[14:11] <shauno> although I can nap at 3pm, wake up at 5pm like normal and pretend work never happened :)
[14:11] <diddledan> sounds like shauno had the same talk :-p
[14:11] <diddledan> oh god, daftykins !
[14:12] <shauno> nah, I just have a cyclic shift pattern.  this is the 'low' lol
[14:13] <diddledan> so apple mail has died on me :-(
[14:13]  * diddledan pokey with a pokey stick
[14:14] <daftykins> you use it? o0
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> isn't saying that in a linux room on irc begging derision? :-)
[14:14] <diddledan> eah, to access gmail :-p
[14:14] <diddledan> yeah*
[14:14] <daftykins> O_O
[14:14] <diplo> daftykins, fresh install sounds best :)
[14:15] <zmoylan-pi> outlook express on winxp will fix it :-)
[14:15] <diddledan> diplo: daftykins: or wipe and linuxify?
[14:15] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you bar steward!
[14:15] <daftykins> no chance would i put a Linux on :D
[14:15] <diplo> heh even more support :)
[14:15] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: that's even worse than windows live mail
[14:16] <daftykins> i think this mate enjoys his gambly poker games
[14:16] <diddledan> I saw someone request help with windows live writer - I didn't know that was still a thing
[14:16] <foobarry> is google keep a real thing
[14:16] <daftykins> my cat is having a groaning match with neighbour cat through the window
[14:16] <daftykins> it got violent a moment ago
[14:16] <diddledan> (the ms blog frontend tool)
[14:16] <foobarry> i want an evrnote type thing that makes it easy to actually get your data out again
[14:17] <diplo> foobarry, yup... I like it and use it
[14:17] <diplo> Shopping list at work
[14:17] <diplo> Check on phone whilst in shop
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> i use a text file on dropbox with #hashtags to keep notes
[14:17] <diddledan> I don't keep notes - because they just remind me of all the crud I can't be bothered to do
[14:18] <daftykins> =]
[14:18] <diddledan> speaking of which, I guess I should do some real work-related pointing-n-clicking
[14:19] <foobarry> diplo: i worry that they would can it again
[14:19] <foobarry> they can a lot of products
[14:19] <diplo> I guess, I'd find something else instead after I suppose
[14:19] <foobarry> can you get the data out cleanly
[14:19] <foobarry> the evernote web clipper is really nice
[14:19] <diplo> I enjoy the use of smartphones, but I don't live my life by them so things like that don't bother me so much
[14:20] <zmoylan-pi> i miss memopad on palmos
[14:20] <diplo> Never tried if I'm honest
[14:20] <diplo> I'll take a look
[14:20] <diddledan> drupal really makes a programmer feel useless with the way everything is done via point-n-click
[14:20] <shauno> I can't rely on my phone for stuff like this because I get no reception in the bathroom, which seems to be where I do most my pondering
[14:21] <foobarry> evernote does offline
[14:21] <foobarry> i have a like/hate relationship with evernote
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> don't you have to pay for offline?
[14:21] <diddledan> shauno: you need to sync before you go?
[14:21] <foobarry> my work paid for it for 1 yr
[14:21] <shauno> evernote I could never get the hang of.  I even wound up with a paid sub for a while, but could just never make a workflow out of it.  it just felt too forced
[14:21] <foobarry> yeah, has a lot of reasons to hate it
[14:21] <diplo> Doesn't look like it foobarry
[14:21] <foobarry> oh , bad
[14:22] <diplo> shauno, keep is offline as well
[14:22] <foobarry> tomboy was the best :(
[14:22] <foobarry> still haven't migrated all my notes off
[14:22] <diddledan> ubuntu one with tomboy
[14:22] <foobarry> awesometastic
[14:22] <foobarry> and on my phone too
[14:23] <shauno> this is why I dig dropbox .. it living on the filesystem makes it easy to glue it to other stuff.  I have things go in and out of it quite automatically on various machines
[14:23] <foobarry> i want the other features, like the web clipper
[14:23] <foobarry> where you only choose a portion of a web page and then annotate it
[14:23] <foobarry> so i'm choosing a new freezer
[14:23] <diddledan> I wouldn't have minded the shut-off of u1 if there was a drop-in replacement that was supported by everything that originally had a u1 backend
[14:23] <shauno> right, that's the love/hate with evernote.  the clipper's neat, but then it shoves it in a box that's very difficult to handle
[14:23] <foobarry> i can snipped pages and point at bits and collate it all
[14:24] <shauno> evernote+dropbox in unholy matrimony would be neat.  dropbox is great and getting stuff in & out, gluing it to other systems, etc.  and let evernote worry about doing clever stuff with the contents
[14:26] <diplo> foobarry, looks like someone has wrote some javascript to download stuff but thats it
[14:26] <diplo> :/
[14:26] <diplo> I use Syncthing now shauno
[14:26] <foobarry> i also do things like write notes from a meeting/sermon on paper and then take a photo and pop in evernote, then throw paper away
[14:26] <popey> \o/ syncthing
[14:27] <diplo> hah you have it on highlight popey ?
[14:27] <foobarry> for those times when writing on a laptop is not convenient
[14:27] <popey> no
[14:27] <popey> \o/ evernote too
[14:27] <diplo> I was waiting for you to jump in :D
[14:27] <popey> we have an evernote app on ubuntu phone just for you foobarry :)
[14:27] <diplo> I've never used Evernote
[14:27] <popey> i use it all the time now
[14:27] <daftykins> diplo: nor me
[14:27] <daftykins> i don't even know what it's about 0o
[14:27] <popey> notes, synced to the cloud
[14:27] <davmor2> popey: I think you mis-spelt reminders as evernote then dude easy mistake ;)
[14:27] <popey> like google keep
[14:27] <popey> s/reminders/notes/
[14:28] <diplo> First thing I heard about it was for scanning receipts or something near the beginning ?
[14:28] <foobarry> ubuntu phone came too late :(
[14:28] <foobarry> now i have to wait 5 yrs until this phone dies
[14:28] <popey> neva!
[14:28] <foobarry> too late for my purchase
[14:28] <popey> give it to charity
[14:28] <popey> and save yourself from google
[14:28] <foobarry> because my htc died after 5yrs and i had to buy then
[14:28] <popey> ok foobarry and his weird purchasing rules :)
[14:28] <foobarry> my mrs and i have his and hers moto g
[14:29] <foobarry> we used to both have htc
[14:29] <daftykins> will touch do funny amazon related things? :)
[14:29] <popey> no
[14:29] <popey> just like desktop doesnt
[14:29] <daftykins> ah been a while now is it?
[14:29] <daftykins> i don't use desktop so don't tend to notice much, quick live session here and there
[14:29] <foobarry> i want to hide the "all notes" view
[14:30] <daftykins> mostly prefer to stay CLI
[14:30] <foobarry> in the web interface, can't seem to
[14:30] <foobarry> i also have evernote desktop app running under wine
[14:30] <foobarry> sucks that they hate linux
[14:30] <popey> you could run the ubuntu touch app on the desktop :)
[14:30] <popey> they dont hate linux _that_ much :)
[14:30] <popey> I will make a debian package for you if you want
[14:31] <popey> it needs more desktop testing tbh
[14:31] <foobarry> have you tried that?
[14:31] <popey> yes
[14:31] <foobarry> i would be happy to test it
[14:31] <popey> super
[14:31] <foobarry> thx
[14:31]  * popey adds to to-do list
[14:31] <davmor2> popey: you should just be able to install the click surely?
[14:31] <foobarry> on evernote
[14:31] <popey> what distro / release you running?
[14:31] <popey> davmor2: not on desktop, I wouldn't
[14:31] <foobarry> elementary freya approx equal to 14.04 LTS
[14:31] <popey> ok
[14:31] <popey> will see if i can build for that
[14:31] <foobarry> chrs
[14:32] <foobarry> popey: are you concerned about backups?
[14:32] <foobarry> getting your notes out?
[14:32] <popey> how do you mean?
[14:33] <popey> my notes are backed up on my phone :)
[14:33] <popey> which is then backed up to my server
[14:33] <popey> so no, not bothered :)
[14:33] <foobarry> your evernotes?
[14:34] <foobarry> i've experienced some bad note destroying bugs in evernote
[14:34] <foobarry> sync doesn't seem intelligent
[14:34] <popey> not seen that
[14:34] <foobarry> i don't offline sync all my notes
[14:34] <popey> had that in tomboy!
[14:34] <foobarry> heh
[14:34] <popey> all my notes sync to a sqlite db on my phone
[14:34] <popey> at least I think it's sqlite
[14:34] <foobarry> lets just say conflict resolution is agressive
[14:35] <foobarry> and 2 people can edit a note without knowing
[14:35] <foobarry> and there's no process to choose
[14:35] <foobarry> whose edits win
[14:35] <foobarry> it doesn't seem to lock the note
[14:36] <popey> uhoh...
[14:36] <popey> $ uptime
[14:37] <popey> bash: /usr/bin/uptime: Input/output error
[14:37] <popey> that looks bad
[14:37] <Azelphur> there goes that drive.
[14:37] <foobarry> quick! in the freezer!
[14:38] <popey> heh
[14:38] <popey> its a usb stick
[14:38] <diddledan> daftykins: drive failure alert!
[14:39] <daftykins> :O
[14:39] <daftykins> i had that for fd0 in a VM yesterday, i lol'd
[14:39] <diddledan> I swear you are a bad omen
[14:39] <Azelphur> I think I found an external USB battery that somehow defies the laws of physics, which sounds quite nice
[14:39] <foobarry> my mp3 player does that
[14:40] <foobarry> never knowingly undercharged
[14:40] <diddledan> whenever daftykins is around, hide your women^Zdrives
[14:40] <Azelphur> It's only ~1cm² bigger than my existing 12,000mAh battery, but it's 25600mAh :o
[14:40] <daftykins> diddledan: noooo, i'm just the disk sniffer
[14:41] <diddledan> daftykins: well don't sniff mine
[14:41] <daftykins> i'm really chuffed with spotting one the other day purely from "this system seems a bit slow"
[14:41] <diddledan> lol
[14:41] <daftykins> smartctl - BAM bad sectors \o/
[14:41] <diddledan> I'm not sure killing a disk is worthy of celebration
[14:42] <diddledan> it was fine until you came along. just a bit slow.
[14:42] <daftykins> but i... :(
[14:42] <diddledan> as soon as you get your grubby mits on it then it has bad sectors
[14:42] <diddledan> :-p
[14:42] <daftykins> speaking of slow, that old 12TB array is copying at 25MB/sec to the new one =|
[14:42] <diddledan> eep
[14:42] <daftykins> my maths puts that at 5 days to rsync XD
[14:42] <diddledan> not over the network?
[14:43] <daftykins> same controller card, so unit to unit
[14:43] <diddledan> aah
[14:43] <daftykins> RAID6 to RAID6
[14:43] <diddledan> that may be why it's a bit slower
[14:43] <diddledan> if it was between cards then I'd moan
[14:43] <daftykins> i wonder if i've somehow introduced a massive fail on the file system front that's causing it to really underperform
[14:43] <daftykins> XFS' docs aren't the best described
[14:44] <diddledan> to be fair, filesystems aren't well described across the board
[14:44] <diddledan> tuning them seems a black art
[14:45] <daftykins> well i was reading my notes that i made last time, you specify values for the RAID stripe size and the stripe width - but it seems last time i just said i had 8 disks, whereas a page online said state how many *data* disks you have
[14:45] <daftykins> so, ugh
[14:46] <daftykins> i'm tempted to go up there, wipe it with ext4 and compare performance
[14:46] <daftykins> speed isn't even important, but it'd be nice if the copy finished this year :D
[14:47] <diplo> It's just taken me 3~ months to copy 4tb~ of data off my microserver from disk to disk :)
[14:48] <foobarry> were they in seprate llocations?
[14:48] <diplo> Nope, same machine :D
[14:49] <diplo> Raid 0 - 1 of the disks was failing and it took that long to copy... I'm amazed it still did, should see my logs... filled with hdd errors :)
[14:49] <diplo> All copied now apart from 4 files
[14:50] <daftykins> :)
[14:50] <daftykins> ouch at RAID0, what was that used for?
[14:51] <diplo> A quick fix for space until I bought some more disks 4+ years ago
[14:52] <diplo> A month later my wife left me and never got around to it/had any money :D
[14:52] <daftykins> that's a sad tale :(
[14:52] <diplo> Still not got a lot of moolah, but bought a 4tb disk for now and waiting a month or two and buy two more and do a btfrs setup I think
[14:53] <diplo> I'm also terrible at buying my self ANYTHING
[14:53] <diplo> Spend all my money on the kids
[14:54] <directhex> spend some on me!
[14:54] <awilkins> Just get 1 more 4TB disk
[14:54] <awilkins> I got an ASUS NAS box that's very nice
[14:55] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: I hope it's not running Linux
[14:55] <awilkins> Although I think the cheaper one I looked at does btrfs out of th ebox
[14:55] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, Why?
[14:55] <diddledan> hmm, gpodder on mac has a serious memory leak - was marked as using 16GB
[14:55] <diddledan> I have 8 total
[14:55] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, Is ASUS's version of Linux awful?
[14:55] <diddledan> so lots of swappage
[14:55] <directhex> asus use a vaguely modern kernel, which is a revelation in embedded
[14:56] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Because Linux is terrible. I read it on the Internet. Got to be true.
[14:56] <TwistedLucidity> http://backupchain.com/i/why-you-shouldnt-buy-a-nas-like-drobo-synology-buffalo-netgear-qnap
[14:56] <TwistedLucidity> A rather hysterical read....
[14:56]  * awilkins does a doubletake (but only because this is a *family* channel)
[14:57]  * diddledan goes to read it
[14:57] <awilkins> "Their FTP servers are partially incompatible with standard FTP protocols.."  in that... they support extended features like remote file hashing, presumably?
[14:58] <directhex> directhex@RT-AC68U:/tmp/home/root# uname -a
[14:58] <directhex> Linux RT-AC68U 2.6.36.4brcmarm #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Nov 11 20:34:57 CST 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux
[14:58] <directhex> 2.6! so modern!
[14:58] <awilkins> "NAS boxes become inaccessible via their DNS or network name" ?!?!?!?!? how is that a problem with the NAS??
[14:58] <awilkins> Surely that's a problem with whatever broke-ass name server they're using?
[14:59] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: I did say it was a hysterical read
[14:59] <diddledan> awilkins: well it'll be the windows dns server
[15:00] <awilkins> NAS : Linux vault 3.12.20 #1 SMP Wed Feb 25 14:23:21 CST 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:00] <awilkins> Yeah, that's real old
[15:00] <daftykins> directhex: is that stock or alternate firmware? :)
[15:00]  * awilkins is using stock firmware
[15:00] <TwistedLucidity> But it's proprietary!
[15:00]  * TwistedLucidity runs around with pants on fire
[15:01] <directhex> daftykins: router fw
[15:01] <daftykins> ah-har
[15:02] <awilkins> You could just have tremendous fun going through this post and debunking everything it says
[15:02] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Also note the very professional stock Wordpress icon for the page
[15:03] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, I get their BackupChain one for the favicon
[15:03] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Huh - I just see Wordpress
[15:03] <awilkins> "Extensibility: you could run regular Windows applications on your NAS server; and scripts, and whatever else you may need,"
[15:03]  * awilkins facepalms
[15:03] <diplo> Power cut :/
[15:03] <awilkins> My NAS OS has a freakin' app store
[15:04] <diplo> Really want a UPS for work
[15:04] <directhex> lemonjohn> uname -a
[15:04] <directhex> Linux lemonjohn 2.6.32.12 #5022 Wed Jan 7 14:19:44 CST 2015 armv5tel GNU/Linux synology_88f6281_112j
[15:04] <foobarry> we had a power cut that necessittated a generator
[15:04] <foobarry> which is still here
[15:05] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: My "NAS" has apt-get :-)
[15:05] <awilkins> I suppose that's an option...
[15:06] <foobarry> this chan is microserversRus
[15:06] <awilkins> I mean, this box is basically a laptop motherboard with a nice disk rack bolted onto it
[15:06] <diplo> Twas why I went for a microserver over a prebuilt NAS
[15:06] <TwistedLucidity> HP Microservers 4 eva! Shame they're a dead product....
[15:07] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I know a place with an on-site, gas genny to keep freezers etc running. Gas supply passes through various saftey board...which are main powered.
[15:07] <awilkins> https://www.google.co.uk/shopping/product/6546580671678501731?q=microserver&client=ubuntu&hs=ZJR&channel=fs&biw=1447&bih=824&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.87920726,d.ZGU&tch=1&ech=1&psi=iqsBVaXzJsiG7QbHwYHQCQ.1426172811751.3&prds=paur:ClkAsKraX005emsnGim_4XEmskLvS592sUjbCUa2BQsD4VqcwOaBbbVowanHVB7Ytrt724IIJhS2YfISxXx95uhphQso_s2ZvFLXVE1dL_AH1txsS6wvbn8lOBIZAFPVH701FR_zgPVOy5YSv-dQSVR25oJR3A&ei=jqsBVf7CE8LC7gb9yIF4&ved=0CGoQqSswAA
[15:07] <awilkins> Ugh, google
[15:07] <awilkins> Shiny though
[15:07] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: So when there's a power cut, the circuits fail to safe (no gas) and thus the genny can't start. Clever, eh?
[15:07] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: £180? For that? Get out.
[15:08] <awilkins> Free shipping too, allegedly
[15:08] <TwistedLucidity> My 8GB job with 2TBx2 (RAID 1) was about that all-in.
[15:08] <awilkins> Cashback also
[15:09] <foobarry> we have 3 phases
[15:09] <foobarry> 1 phase is on a 50yr old cable which has crumbled
[15:09] <diplo> Yeah, I was going to get one for work, anyone tried the new one ?
[15:09] <popey> i refuse to buy microservers now
[15:09] <popey> due to HP policy on firmware updates requiring a paid subscription
[15:10] <diplo> Oh I didn't know that
[15:10] <diplo> Not a great policy, may have a look around before ordering one then
[15:10] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: £40 cashback? Pfft...the deals on the old microserver were w-a-y better
[15:10] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Say what?
[15:10] <awilkins> Ew
[15:11] <awilkins> HP *spit*spit*
[15:11] <popey> once your warranty runs out, you pay for updates
[15:11] <popey> try getting the bios update for an N40L for example
[15:11] <awilkins> That's almost as evil as Solaris
[15:11] <TwistedLucidity> Hmm...that might be fair, depending on price
[15:11] <awilkins> I think I may have been aware of that
[15:11] <foobarry> eeebil
[15:12] <foobarry> i have an n54l
[15:12] <foobarry> in warrany
[15:12] <foobarry> but how would they know?
[15:12] <awilkins> Presume you get a special support account
[15:12] <awilkins> Which KNOWS
[15:13] <diddledan> I think I need to reboob
[15:13] <popey> you put the serial number in
[15:13] <popey> i had to for my n40L
[15:14] <popey> you can't even download updates, you have to sign up and pay for maintenance
[15:14] <foobarry> does yum have a dry-run option?
[15:14] <diddledan> popey: :-o I was thinking about getting one, too
[15:14] <Myrtti> NEWSFLASH: Terry Pratchett has passed away.
[15:14] <foobarry> some helpful internet person will post a clean or tainted bios package
[15:15] <popey> oh dear :(
[15:15] <diddledan> Myrtti: :-o
[15:15] <diddledan> nooooooo
[15:15] <foobarry> not sure how different this is from not even producing bios updates
[15:15] <awilkins> diddledan, Going to reboob later
[15:15] <foobarry> :-|
[15:18] <diddledan> for folk googling and not finding news of TP: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156
[15:18] <diddledan> seems it's only just broken
[15:21] <diplo> I really need to reinstall this machine, I was going to wait till 15.04 release
[15:21] <diplo> Safe enough to install it now ?
[15:21] <diddledan> diplo: BETA!
[15:22] <awilkins> Depends what system is for
[15:23] <diplo> Work station, use it for hosting my local dev work
[15:23] <awilkins> Still running 14.04 on my main desktop (mainly inertia - 14.10 not that much different or shinier, can't be bothered to bleach and retweak desktop until our new security honcho insists that I need full-disk encryption)
[15:23] <diplo> apache/php etc
[15:23] <awilkins> (at which point I'll probably get an SSD and bcache things because *dayum* does it make my laptop fast)
[15:23] <diplo> I'm normally a LTS guy for work machine
[15:24] <awilkins> Apache / pgp
[15:24] <awilkins> php
[15:24] <awilkins> Go for LTS
[15:24] <awilkins> BEcause it's what you'll end up running it on in production
[15:24] <diplo> yeah 15.04 is a LTS isn't it
[15:24] <awilkins> Is it?
[15:24] <diplo> hah, yeah our host runs CentOS 5.* something
[15:24] <awilkins> One year after 14.04?
[15:24] <diplo> Already have issues with 14.04 being newer than their packages :/
[15:25] <awilkins> CentOS?   *spew*
[15:25] <awilkins> 16.04 is the next LTS
[15:25] <diplo> Our work uses CentOS for everything too
[15:25] <diddledan> the next LTS is 16.04
[15:25] <davmor2> diplo: 14.04.2 is the current lts 15.04 is short term next lts is 16.04
[15:25] <diplo> Ah right, hmmm what to do :)
[15:26] <awilkins> Install the newest, plus VirtualBox for a CentOS VM
[15:27] <awilkins> The main annoyance of 14.10 for me has been the MySQL Workbench packages that Oracle release being broken and having to build it from source
[15:27] <awilkins> But they fixed that now
[15:28] <diplo> Anyone running the 15.04 atm ?
[15:28] <popey> yes
[15:28] <popey> on my main laptop
[15:28] <diplo> Only another month till release, but this machine really needs installing now
[15:28] <awilkins> Have the nighlies transitioned to systemd yet?
[15:28] <diplo> Any major issues you've come across ?
[15:28] <popey> other than the fact we switched to systemd on monday?
[15:28] <popey> no
[15:29] <diplo> Bah I'll go for it then :)
[15:29] <awilkins> Does systemd produce the promised shower of rainbows made from fine sprays of unicorn wee wee when it boots?
[15:29] <popey> No.
[15:29] <popey> but then I've only booted once since I updated
[15:29] <awilkins> (The major feature missed from Utopic (that's why it had a unicorn as it's mascot))
[15:29] <popey> well, twice if you include the one where it had just installed
[15:33] <bashrc_> did the transition to systemd cause the sky to fall down?
[15:34] <davmor2> Terry Pratchet is dead man this year sucks :(
[15:34] <popey> no
[15:34] <davmor2> popey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156
[15:34] <popey> (the no was at bashrc_)
[15:34] <bashrc_> I never actually read any Pratchet, but I know plenty of folks who did
[15:38] <awilkins> Have been reading him since The Colour of Magic
[15:38] <awilkins> He matured tremendously as an author as his career progressed
[15:38] <awilkins> His books started off fun
[15:39] <awilkins> As they went on the became incredibly insightful of the human condition, touching, and remained funny
[15:40] <awilkins> The last ones were equally touching, but because you could see the decay setting in, destroying this mind that you grew to love even though you only touched it's imprint on paper
[15:46] <daftykins> i was reading the Discworld series back to back for a bit, the odd few pieces repeated were sometimes jarring
[15:46] <daftykins> "he drew himself up to his full height, which was hardly worth it" was used a few times in the first 5 or so
[15:47] <daftykins> but yeah, great books :D
[15:57] <awilkins> Yeah, there were some nasty continuity errors between the first two
[15:58] <daftykins> ugh browser hijackings on Windows :P
[15:58] <foobarry> not sure why books never seem to be edited
[15:58] <daftykins> seen chrome get pinned to an old version and updates disabled quite a lot now
[15:58] <foobarry> the dragon tattoo books were a fine example of a book that never saw an editor or proof reader
[15:59] <foobarry> should have been about half the length
[16:00] <daftykins> haha
[16:01] <daftykins> i enjoyed that trilogy :) murdered them in quite short succession
[16:01] <foobarry> yeah but they were poor though
[16:01] <foobarry> i still rad them
[16:01] <foobarry> ..plugged in her macbook, 800mhz processor, 128MB RAM, it was the fastest thing money could buy
[16:01] <foobarry> the real text was even worse
[16:02] <daftykins> the explanation of how her pal's backdoor access installed itself was horrifying
[16:02] <daftykins> claiming it slowly slipped in appended to images then assembled itself like some kind of T1000 from Terminator at the other end
[16:02] <foobarry> "PowerPC 7451 processor with an AltiVec Velocity Engine, 960 MB RAM and a 60 GB hard drive plus Bluetooth and a DVD burner."
[16:03] <foobarry> this kind of stuff gets out of date the moment it's penned. don't do it!
[16:14] <daftykins> aww yes, cold black coffee
[18:23] <diddledan> hmm, everyone stopped talking while I reboobed?
[18:23] <daftykins> yep
[18:23] <diddledan> I disappeared at 17:00 and came back shorty and nobody has spoken since
[18:24] <daftykins> mmm chinese takeaway tonight i think
[18:28] <popey> good call
[18:28] <popey> we had curry last night
[18:28] <popey> got the guilt trip from the owner
[18:28] <popey> "You never come in here with your wife"
[18:28] <daftykins> XD
[18:28] <daftykins> ooh i wonder when i last had a curry, probably too recently
[18:29] <diddledan> lurve curry
[18:30] <daftykins> i'm less fond of the gut i've developed than the curry i think :(
[18:34] <popey> "Barbecued chicken with minced lamb, boiled egg & tomato cooked in medium spice."
[18:34] <popey> mmmmmm
[18:34] <popey> my fave
[18:41] <daftykins> weird, that guy i put data on a 1TB drive formatted as exFAT for says it doesn't work on their macs
[18:44] <daftykins> seems to be a default cluster size incompatibility, damn
[19:12] <davmor2> had curry just popey hmmmm curry :)
[22:37] <Myrtti> blogging is overrated
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> do a write up on your blog...
[22:40] <Myrtti> I just hooked up a keyboard to my Nexus 9 and installed the Wordpress app to start doing the promised write up of my bouquet on my blog
[22:41] <zmoylan-pi> i rustled a symbian phone with a qwerty keyboard out of my collection and installed ftp, ssh to work on emails i have backlogged over wifi
[22:41] <Myrtti> noticed that the latest unpublished draft was from summer 2013 about "a Kickstarter looking for funding to make a documentary about gaming misogynia and how I've lost my will to live in IT communities"
[22:41] <Myrtti> (roughly)
[22:42] <Myrtti> I'm not sure it's wise even still to publish it
[22:42] <zmoylan-pi> it'll just tile up gamergate :-/
[22:43] <Myrtti> so I just started drafting the blog entry about the bouquet.
[22:43] <Myrtti> snoring is distracting me from it but I did manage to jot some things anyway
[22:43] <mapp> hi all
[22:44] <zmoylan-pi> oooook
[22:55] <Myrtti> (not my snoring) :-D
[23:00] <m0nkey_> Myrtti, go prod him to keep him quiet. You can say Dave told you to do so.
[23:00] <Myrtti> oh he's well beyond the point that a nudge would help
[23:01] <Myrtti> tbh so should I
[23:05]  * zmoylan-pi hands Myrtti nerf pistol to bounce a dart of her snorer
[23:07] <Myrtti> good night everyone
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> sleep well
[23:28] <diddledan> *yawn*