[00:03] <nerdistmonk> worked up the nerve and yanked upstart-bin
[00:03] <nerdistmonk> no ill effects from what i can see.
[00:32] <Unit193> nerdistmonk: Except, you lost upstart user sessions and your indicators no longer work...
[00:32] <nerdistmonk> i dont use XFCE indicator
[00:32] <nerdistmonk> its already gone on my system
[00:34] <nerdistmonk> Your going to have to refresh me on what upstart user sessions do, i don't consciously use them unless its one of those important background tasks.
[00:35] <Unit193> xfce4-session used them.
[00:37] <nerdistmonk> oh i see that thingy in "sessions and startup" that i always turn off.
[00:37] <nerdistmonk> :P
[00:38] <Unit193> Not likely, but anyway...
[00:39] <nerdistmonk> yeah sessions i just looked xfce-session is the thing that saves every program/window you had open during logout.
[01:17] <knome> Unit193, ping
[01:17] <Unit193> knome: No!
[01:17] <Unit193> :P
[01:17] <knome> for what?
[01:21] <Unit193> knome: Whatchaneed?
[01:23] <knome> a pair of eyes
[01:24] <Unit193> Mmmm, mine aren't great, only slightly better than elfy's.
[01:24] <knome> that's fine
[01:25] <knome> ok, ready soon
[01:29] <knome> Unit193, https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1504
[01:34] <knome> Unit193, so, does it look sane at all?
[01:36] <bluesabre> Unit193? sane? hmm
[01:36] <Unit193> The diffs look sane, though I do not like the indenting of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1504/revision/669
[01:37] <Unit193> bluesabre may have a point.
[01:38] <Unit193> (I'm sure the rest of them are like that though. so. :P )
[01:40] <knome> heh
[01:41] <knome> pushing to main branch then
[01:42] <knome> bluesabre, you like the monkey?
[01:42] <knome> bluesabre, let me flesh out the memory
[01:43] <knome> bluesabre, didn't somebody tell you they won't give you the upload perms for the slideshow, and that somebody who has the perms will do it on request?
[01:45] <bluesabre> knome: yeah, I think that was the case
[01:45] <knome> so do you want to poke people with that now or...? :)
[01:45] <knome> was there a way to check who has upload permissions for a specific package?
[01:47] <Unit193> ubuntu-core-dev, kubuntu-dev, ubuntu-desktop  people in those teams.
[01:50] <bluesabre> ^
[01:50] <knome> bluesabre, so you want to poke people about that?
[01:51] <bluesabre> knome: I'll mention it to infinity
[01:51] <knome> thanks
[01:51] <bluesabre> he was going to rebuild some stuff for me tonight/tomorrow
[01:51] <knome> please also mention to update the translation templates
[01:51] <bluesabre> so that goes along with it
[01:51] <knome> and thanks
[01:51] <bluesabre> oh... is that not part of it?
[01:51] <knome> bluesabre, i didn't do it
[01:51] <knome> i can look into doing it
[01:52] <knome> but i've never done it :)
[01:52] <knome> (i think)
[01:52] <bluesabre> :D
[01:54] <knome> oh
[01:54] <knome> make pot
[01:54] <Unit193> ok
[01:54] <knome> ;)
[01:55] <knome> guess that was too easy.
[01:55] <knome> bluesabre, now the branch has the translation templates up-to-date too
[01:55] <bluesabre> lol
[03:57] <Unit193> So what's Xfce's plan with Xfwm4 and -DMONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP?
[07:20] <elfy> Unit193: ftr - my eyes are fine - it's everyone else :p
[07:20] <Unit193> Ahh.
[07:20] <elfy> obvious really 
[09:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/0.2.4-3ubuntu1 ones like that you want to use build1, as autosync will then run on that package.
[09:19] <Unit193> xfce4-dict, ah you already know this.  Nevermind then.
[10:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'm learning as I go :)
[11:18] <brainvvash> bluesabre, trusty users who upgraded to xfce 4.12 via ppa encounter the qt theming problem
[11:19] <knome> well, aren't we telling them they use the PPA at their own risk?
[11:19] <brainvvash> how is that possible?
[11:19] <bluesabre> brainvvash: no idea
[11:19] <bluesabre> obviously something used to tell qt what to do
[11:19] <bluesabre> and now it doesn't
[11:20] <brainvvash> it looks like that
[11:20] <brainvvash> xfce4-settings?
[11:20] <bluesabre> what they can do is install and set qt-config
[11:20] <bluesabre> or not use a ppa
[11:20] <knome> qt4-qtconfig
[11:21] <bluesabre> probably something in xfsettingsd
[11:21] <brainvvash> the question is, did Xfce change anything to trigger the theming issue? It always looked like qt was the culprit
[11:22] <bluesabre> it probably did at some point
[11:22] <bluesabre> good luck finding the commit in the last 3 years of development
[11:22] <bluesabre> then again, I'm not sure if should be up to xfce to set the qt theme
[11:22] <bluesabre> mate also has the same problem
[11:23] <brainvvash> indeed
[11:23] <brainvvash> trusty has xfce4-settings 4.11.2, utopic 4.11.3
[11:24] <brainvvash> we noticed this issue in utopic, and x-d-s installs the skel qt config file
[11:24] <bluesabre> right
[11:27] <brainvvash> I'll check if other distros are affected too
[11:27] <bluesabre> ok
[11:27] <brainvvash> could be ubuntu specicifc
[11:27] <brainvvash> specific
[11:27] <bluesabre> knome: you may want to ping #ubuntu-devel folks if you don'
[11:28] <bluesabre> t see a slideshow upload in the next hour or so
[11:28] <bluesabre> infinity finished uploading the rest of xfce a few moments ago
[11:29] <bluesabre> so that may very well land in vivid-release today
[11:29] <knome> mhm
[11:31] <bluesabre> I'm looking forward to getting to bug fixes once all these uploads are finally done :)
[11:31] <knome> heh
[11:32] <knome> i'm looking forward to the status tracker looking much better after all the uploads are done
[12:22] <brainvvash> bluesabre, bug 1305294
[12:25] <brainvvash> setting this env var allows qt to determine the correct theme style, tested with "GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=123 clementine"
[12:26] <brainvvash> unity has GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
[14:42] <brainvvash> bluesabre, there is also QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk
[14:44] <brainvvash> could be used instead of putting the conf file into the skel directory
[14:50] <brainvvash> actually, this one does not work 
[15:28] <nerdistmonk> man that was a fast kernel update lol
[15:29] <elfy> thanks nerdistmonk - I thought for a moment that I was dreaming yesterdays :)
[15:29] <nerdistmonk> yeah, same here, i swore i just got a new version of 3.19 just last night
[15:29] <elfy> yea - you did 
[15:29] <nerdistmonk> oh well, i like new and shiny lol
[15:30] <nerdistmonk> at least wine finally got updated
[15:30] <elfy> wouldn't have a clue about that
[15:30] <nerdistmonk> it hadn't been updated in 7 weeks (unrelated to this room obviously)
[15:31] <elfy> never used wine
[15:31] <nerdistmonk> i use it all the time, its a cornerstone for me.
[15:31] <elfy> well - not for years
[15:32] <nerdistmonk> Couldn't play simcity 4 without it, couldn't play alot of stuff without it.
[15:34] <nerdistmonk> reboot time for nerdy
[15:41] <drc> what is "oneconf-query"? I keep getting (ad odd times) this error.
[15:46] <drc> again :(
[15:52] <drc> To hell with it...now I have to have an UbuntuOne account to auto-report a bug?  I'm done with Canonical.  Sorry guys, I really like Xubuntu and the community (a lot), but am tired of the crap one has to put up from "higher".
[20:16] <ochosi> !team | progress for V is looking great – good job, everyone! http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-flavor-xubuntu.html
[20:30] <Unit193> Noskcaj: I know Corsac had some objection to the latest screenshooter, but what about taskmanager 1.1.0?
[20:31] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I've not heard anything. Do you want me to check or can you?
[20:36] <Unit193> Well, just generally wondering if he had an objection, or if it was likely just missed.  I think it may have gone GTK3.
[21:42] <bluesabre> Unit193: the latest taskmanager can be built with gtk2 or 3
[21:42] <knome> bluesabre, yai, Riddell's going to handle the slideshow upload if you didn't pick that up yet :)
[21:45] <bluesabre> knome: great
[21:45] <bluesabre> I saw that all the packages finally landed today as well
[21:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hmm.  So I'll just go with 'missed'
[21:46] <bluesabre> yes
[21:46] <bluesabre> 'missed' indeed
[21:46] <bluesabre> but thankfully not myst
[21:46] <bluesabre> those games suck
[21:46] <bluesabre> :)
[21:46] <knome> ha
[21:48] <elfy> hi bluesabre :)
[21:48] <bluesabre> hey elfy, how goes?
[21:49] <elfy> ok thanks - you? 
[21:49] <bluesabre> good
[21:49] <bluesabre> just got home, and getting ready to eat dinner
[21:49] <elfy> \o/ 
[21:49] <knome> what are you having then? :P
[21:50] <bluesabre> noodle bowl and a chicken patty
[21:50] <knome> mhm
[21:50] <elfy> I'm assuming it's not cat-pawed chicken 
[21:50] <knome> surely yummy
[21:50] <knome> elfy, who knows... ;)
[21:50] <bluesabre> lol
[21:51] <bluesabre> the box says chicken
[21:51] <bluesabre> and thats all I know
[21:51] <knome> well if it is, it's possible that they are eating chicken-pawed cat tomorrow..
[21:51] <bluesabre> ;)
[21:51] <elfy> bluesabre: if you want some cat-pawed I've got some you can have ... 
[21:51] <knome> bluesabre, oh noes, take away?
[21:51] <knome> well anyway i'm happy that..
[21:51] <knome> ...we have this important development discussion logged
[21:52] <nerdistmonk> woah big pile-o-updates
[21:52] <nerdistmonk> lol
[21:52] <bluesabre> :D
[21:52] <bluesabre> very important
[21:52] <bluesabre> bbiab
[21:52] <elfy> hah
[21:52] <knome> development of bluesabre's tummy :d
[21:53] <bluesabre> yessir
[21:53] <bluesabre> yum
[21:54] <nerdistmonk> hmm it wants to remove nouveau during this update
[21:56] <nerdistmonk> oh well i dont use it anyways, no guts no glory and all that jazz.
[21:56] <elfy> dist-upgrade only wants to remove xserver-xorg-video-modesetting here
[21:57] <nerdistmonk> over here it wants to gank the following xorg drivers: modesetting, intel, nouveau and 'all'
[21:57] <nerdistmonk> its hard telling, just going to ignore it
[21:57] <nerdistmonk> its likely a difference in repos because i use xorg edgers
[21:57] <elfy> reinstalled all of those here
[21:57] <elfy> aah right
[21:58] <elfy> I'll remember that when sudoku doesn't work ... 
[21:58] <nerdistmonk> i use the binary nvidia driver so its not a huge painful loss
[21:58] <nerdistmonk> i quit using nouveau because it liked to crash the OS while gaming.
[21:59] <nerdistmonk> made me think i was using mac os 9 while trying to play Xonotic lol, sysrq-reisub is your friend.
[22:01] <Unit193> elfy: Same, -modsetting.
[22:01] <nerdistmonk> xorg edgers may likely be causing the 3 extra drivers to popup on mine since its also giving me a new binary driver right now too.
[22:01] <elfy> Unit193: good - not going nuts then :)
[22:02] <nerdistmonk> exciting isn't it?
[22:02] <nerdistmonk> you just never know what color undies apt-get is going to fetch for you each morning. :D
[22:04] <nerdistmonk> 346.47 of the nvidia binary driver, oh goodie, i likely gained 2fps in a game i do not own yet. :D
[22:15] <nerdistmonk> You know what i wished worked in xubuntu? The CPU Freq applet in xfce
[22:15] <nerdistmonk> I had to just give in and write myself a script to change the cpu governors for me, because the cpu-freq applet isn't able to because it needs root privileges to do so.
[22:24] <nerdistmonk> hmmm i see why nouveau got yoinked
[22:25] <nerdistmonk> depends on xorg-video-abi or something like that.
[22:25] <nerdistmonk> and theres no package by that name in my repos currently.
[22:25] <nerdistmonk> *shrugs* meh it will fix itself eventually.