[00:44] couldn't upgrade, and can't install kubuntu-desktop to my old laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10588469 [00:45] and http://paste.ubuntu.com/10588486 [00:46] oops, spoke too fast, got kubuntu desktop installed, but can't upgrade [00:46] will try again after googling more [00:47] valorie: I confused, what are you trying to do? according to the second paste it is already vivid [00:47] oh interesting [00:48] it got to 99% and errored out [00:48] i guess I will just do an update && full-upgrade then and see what happens [00:49] yup, you are correct [00:49] it all reads vivid [00:49] \o/ [00:51] :) [00:51] of course restart will tell the whole story.... [00:51] true [00:52] I'm relieved to know the advice we're giving out actually works [00:52] keep handy the email that Riddell sent to ML, seems some folks having issues with upgrades today [00:52] this older laptop had ppa-next [00:52] successfully purged and upgraded [00:52] nice :) [00:54] hmmm, no way to shutdown, including sudo shutdown now [00:56] ack, something definately not right then [00:56] because upstart is gone [00:56] power button worked.... [00:58] let me know how that goes [00:58] power is back on, but nothing in screen, and no consoles [00:58] not a good upgrade I'm thinking [00:58] phooey [00:59] ooo, blinking cursor [00:59] better than nothing [00:59] oh yay [00:59] yeah get that email out I mentioned earlier [01:00] yup [01:00] that plus startx [01:01] just was slow starting [01:01] my ssd has spoiled me [01:01] woot [01:01] hmmm, wooo, even kwallet seems fixxored [01:03] oh? [01:03] nice [01:04] woot, kpat works [01:04] aside from the error messages and sddm not starting, we're about there [01:06] yeah the sddm thing is baffeling as it did not affect everyone.. seems random [01:11] shutdown works too [01:11] yay :) [01:11] I'll write an email [01:12] reporting somewhat qualified success === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [03:28] hey valorie [03:44] greetings [03:46] valorie: whats going on with sddm? [03:48] it's borked on recent upgrades in vivid [03:48] somehow it doesn't get turned on for some people, including me [03:48] I wrote to kubuntu-devel about it [03:49] yea thats weird [03:49] valorie: the bug about partman is getting a patch :) [03:49] so far a mystery [03:50] ovidiu-florin: http://imgur.com/a/eSmwk#0 [03:53] valorie: working on the feature tour [03:53] cool, I would prefer kubuntu.org on the FF page [03:54] gwenview slide is GORGEOUS [03:54] hmmm, 2 KTP slides of the same thing [03:55] what valorie? [03:55] telepathy - 2 slides of the same thing [03:55] that reminds me, hopefully that works again [03:56] valorie: I made those incase we need full screen or not [03:57] also the current kubuntu.org site has the 14.10 banner currently [03:58] ah, ok [03:59] hmmm [03:59] I'll take one anyway [03:59] how about the docs page? [03:59] that has the banner [04:00] yea sure [04:01] valorie: http://imgur.com/a/eSmwk [04:01] hmmm, I can't get kde-telepathy to start [04:01] want to see the new slideshow valorie? [04:02] neato [04:02] http://imgur.com/LqXWynW [04:04] beautiful [04:05] :) [04:07] looks great ahoneybun :) [04:08] thanks sgclark [04:08] I am on your IM lol [04:09] XD yea [04:09] that would be great if I could get it to start up! [04:09] ever since I installed plasma 5, it will not start [04:09] I;ve gotten it to work [04:09] I'm on the Beta though [04:10] me too [04:10] how do you start it up? [04:10] kde-telepathy doesn't find it [04:10] nor does just telepathy [04:12] contact [04:12] in krunner [04:17] contact? [04:17] wow, that works [04:17] how did you guess that? [04:23] it says contact on the app [04:23] lol [04:24] hmm, do you use google or ? I can't seem to sync anymore [04:24] I know I had it working at one point.. [04:26] ahoneybun: I see you on my phone, but so far none of my accounts are connecting [04:26] used to Just Work [04:26] yep timed out for me [04:27] and made yucky noises lol [04:37] I can't get my google chat set up, the rest work fine [04:38] yeah is the one giving me issues, but I have the double auth thing going.. [04:38] I got it to work before though :( [04:39] oddly enough, my phone didn't ping me [04:39] it always has for all other google stuff [04:40] that is odd [04:40] no biggie, it's just nice to have it running again [04:40] and google chat works on my phone [04:40] nice! mine is not yet.. [04:41] yeah my phone it works [04:45] welp it is pumpkin time for miss scarlett, see you all tomorrow :) [04:45] niters! [04:47] night valorie, prolly at some point in the near future we need to sort out akademy [04:47] yes [04:48] have you bought your train ticket to Bellingham? [04:48] ahh drat, I knew I forgot something. I am to ride up with wxl.. I will get it on the morrow [04:48] nice [04:49] send me an email, I tend to forget everything these days :( [04:49] I could always just drive you home [04:49] both of us? [04:50] oh sorry, I misunderstood [04:50] so you and wxl are riding the train up together? [04:50] well it does not matter either way lol [04:50] yeah up and if we could not find carpool back we would take train [04:51] got it [04:51] but if you can drive me or both either way, that would be cool [04:51] I am obviously flexible [04:51] well, I might drive over to anacortes and stay with my aunt for a night [04:52] if I can arrange for someone to feed my cat [04:52] bob will be gone by then [04:52] I have no idea where that is [04:52] he's flying to San Diego on April 15 [04:52] hiking from the 16th to .... October sometime [04:52] ahh right, the big trip [04:53] Anacortes is south of Bellingham on the coast [04:53] ooh sounds nice :0 [04:53] :) [04:53] on of the two remaining sisters of my mother lives up there and I've not seen her for years [04:53] as beautiful as B'ham, yeah [04:54] so if you train it both ways, that would leave me more flexible [04:54] don't forget to ask for money for the tickets and hotel room from Ubuntu [04:54] well whatever is best for you, I don't necessarily have to ride back with wxl, was just an option [04:54] right.. need to do that. [04:55] I'd better start sending some emails and lining it up [04:55] now will that affect my qualifications for akademy? [04:55] got sideline by my cold [04:55] nope [04:55] k [04:55] it is what, $100 or so? [04:55] well, maybe $300 [04:55] akademy is very important for me :) [04:55] with train and room [04:55] yeah around 250ish [04:56] akademy is umm much more [04:56] one is promo, the other is development [04:56] right [04:56] promo is good [04:56] my time has been split this year though, with kubuntu and kde [04:56] yup [04:57] which is all to the good for both IMO [04:57] but with 16 hours a day... I am burning the stick at both ends lol [04:57] oh my goodness [04:57] go sleep! [04:57] ok :) [04:57] :-) [04:58] this is my passion though, someday I will actually get paid lol [04:58] this should help, honestly [04:58] paid, and paid well [04:58] :) [04:59] meh I am happy so that counts, just need to convince my school loans collectors! [04:59] anyway, night :) [05:00] sweet dreams [08:09] Riddell: not sure if grantlee is something you guys are responsible for the packaging of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grantlee5/+bug/1431715 [08:09] Launchpad bug 1431715 in grantlee5 (Ubuntu) "package libgrantlee5-dev 5.0.0-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite «/usr/include/grantlee/parser.h», that is also in libgrantlee-dev 0.5.1-0ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] [08:46] Riddell: what do you think about this split of lib and dev out of cantor http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/cantor.git/commit/?h=cantor-split [08:46] good morning === sitter_ is now known as sitter [09:36] now I regret not looking into sddm on ci [09:37] ah yes [09:38] Vcs-Browser: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-std/sddm.git [09:38] Vcs-Git: git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-std/sddm.git [09:38] Riddell: could it be that you didn't use git? [09:39] although that doesn't really explain why it doesn't start at all on CI [09:39] also [09:39] Description: set minimum vt to 7 [09:39] maybe this will fix switching vt when installing packages and integration with ubiquity-dm? [09:39] I told you, this isn't a fix [09:40] also patch, wtf [09:55] quite possibly I didn't [09:55] but the issues did get solved [09:57] but I take your point it should actively kill plymouth to stop it coming back from the dead [10:09] sitter: actually I think it does kill plymouth, I don't have plymouth running and sddm.service does ask to call plymouth-quit.service [10:10] Riddell: did you run your tty patch by upstream? [10:12] sitter: yep [10:12] ./services/sddm.service.in:Conflicts=getty@tty1.service [10:12] ./services/sddm.service.in:After=systemd-user-sessions.service getty@tty1.service plymouth-quit.service [10:12] it appears to me that the patch is not complete? [10:12] sitter: how so? [10:13] note the 1 [10:14] interesting [10:15] in vbox kci iso doesn't boot [10:15] works on metal [10:15] also the mouse cursor isn't breezed in the session for some reason [10:15] any idea what getty@tty1.service does? [10:17] starts the tty [10:19] the kwallet dialogs [10:19] ffs the kwallet dialogs [10:20] now we got a migration assistant gui that wants to migrate an empty wallet [10:20] god I hate my life [10:22] Riddell: I am also reasonably certain that the vt stuff isn't needed for ubiquity [10:22] looking at the service files it appears to me that ubiqity-dm simply starts before sddm [10:30] sitter: yes it does but for whever reason the images at the start of this week didn't transition to sddm [10:30] Riddell: that never worked [10:30] and now it does [10:30] that's why you bypassed ubiquity-dm in the next images as well [10:30] Riddell: for me it starts sddm not ubiquity-dm [10:30] although it needs autologin but that should be easy enough [10:30] although actually my ubiquity-dm service craps out according to jounrald [10:31] yesterday's kubuntu daily-live image started ubiquity-dm and transitioned to sddm [10:31] well, today's KCI images don't :P [10:31] sucks to be KCI [10:33] sitter: the "Package KDE Telepathy KF5" trello item is done for kubuntu for this cycle with ktp-legacy-presence-applet in, can I move it to done? do you want one on kubuntu automation for the CI of the actualy KF5 branches? [10:33] they are done as well anyway [10:34] why did you call the legacy thing anotehr name btw? [10:34] now I get to override the meta to make it drag in the proper desktop-applets [10:34] sitter: how do you mean? I call it ktp-legacy-presence-applet and the binary is kde-telepathy-legacy-presence-applet in line with the rest of the packaging [10:35] which is loads of fun because of course pushing to git.debian before noon is as slow as sending the diff by snail mail [10:35] Riddell: yeah, except the kde4 version was kde-telepathy-desktop-applets and the kf5 version will also be kde-telepathy-desktop-applets [10:35] blame upstream? [10:36] I updated the meta package for it [10:36] exactly [10:36] which is why I blame you [10:36] because now the meta doesn't drag in the kf5 version anymore [10:36] so I get to redo the meta [10:36] just so it drags in the right applet package [10:36] make an unstable branch? [10:36] yes [10:37] I need to make a stable branch because you diverted in the deb naming [10:38] oh and KCI can't build natives [10:38] so [10:38] now I get to write code so I can have an ISO with ktp [10:40] sowwy [10:40] sitter: what do you think of https://community.kde.org/GSoC/2015/Ideas#Project:_libmuon_package_install_for_3rd_party_applications ? what do you think of ximian's suggestion to use packagekit-qt instead of libmuon? [10:42] I think that we can't use packagekit right now and perhaps not in 6 months because canonical has a reimplementation of the API that is too old [10:42] other than that I am indiferent [10:43] right [10:43] feels not unlike bluez [10:43] funny how it used to be kde that kept back libraries and now it's unity [11:10] sitter: don't we have the proper packagekit in the repos? [11:11] yofel: yes, packagekit is a lib and a daemon though. and aptdaemon reimplements the daemon or something [11:11] right, but what does that matter to us? [11:12] or did they rip out the vanilla one? [11:12] yofel: new packagekit has new ABI [11:12] which supposedly comes from a new API [11:12] bah [11:12] * yofel returns to fighting sql [11:12] that doesn't sound like a lot more fun tbh :S [11:13] select fun from work where query like "sensible" [11:13] -> MySQL returned an empty result se [11:14] t [11:18] any idea if kdeconnect will support ubuntu phone ? [11:20] would need someone to write a client for it [11:20] there's talk of a pure qt client being written which might do it [11:26] oh nice [11:39] Riddell: what do we do if bluez5 doesn't land? [11:40] sitter: not have bluetooth support :( [11:40] or at least not very good support [11:40] wtf [11:40] no KCI starts ubiquity [11:41] Riddell: there's a race condition between ubiquity and sddm I think [11:41] s/no/now [11:41] and now sddm doesn't start when I click try [11:44] :( [11:44] booting iso with kernel param verbose starts sddm, booting with regular (quiet splash) it goes to ubiquity-dm but then doesn't manage to hand over to sddm [11:45] oh actually the verbose thing could be a bug in ubiquity-dm there was something peculiar about the cmdline I remember from months ago [11:51] at any rate handover is not working for me [11:52] and now it works === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch [11:54] Riddell: can you try the cdimage ISO... start it and immediately after ubiquity-dm comes up click on try kubuntu [11:55] for me that ends in a black screen, and going through the VTs it appears ubiquity-dm comes up before the ttys are started, which might or might not be why sddm doesn't start when one chooses start before stuff is ready [11:56] sitter: could I try kubuntu daily iso? [11:56] thats what I meant, sorry [11:57] ok, zsyncing [11:57] also for me ubiquity-dm has no background [11:57] yeah me too [11:57] least of our worried I reasoned [11:57] least of our worries I reasoned [11:58] ok, so, sddm not starting doesn't appear to be related to ttys not started, apparently they get started on demand once you manually switch to a vt [11:58] also when sddm doesn't start I can't switch vts for some reason [11:58] makes getting logs kinda hard >.< [11:59] which is what was happening in the kubuntu images at the start of the week [11:59] wait [11:59] ah [11:59] stupid me [12:00] Riddell: it's because you weren't using git when you made the fix... [12:00] KCI is behind the archive [12:01] * sitter syncs [12:02] Hiyas all [12:02] Riddell: does the kubuntu iso work in vbox? [12:02] or kvm for that matter [12:03] it did yesterday, let me start it now [12:04] maybe my ancient vm finally decided that it's time to stop working [12:04] sitter: hmm no my virtualbox isn't happy today [12:05] no ubiquity-dm or sddm on it :( [12:05] I can switch vts at get linux consoles [12:06] if I run systemctl sddm nothing happens [12:07] yeah it's somehow blocked [12:07] if I run systemctl ubiquity it complans that it didn't start [12:07] probably blocked on ubiquity [12:07] Riddell: I have the strong feeling that it is because of your incomplete tty thing :P [12:08] startx isn't happy either [12:08] X doesn't seem to be very happy [12:17] kvm also doesn't manage to start anything FWIW [12:17] it works on metal though, so that is highly suspicious [12:25] sitter: booting for real from a usb key on my computer works fine [12:25] so maybe there is no difference from yesterday [12:25] everything is broken [12:25] are there any known problems with driver manager ? [12:25] now I'll try clicking quicker on Try Kubuntu [12:25] also switching the ISO into verbose boot doesn't change anything apparently [12:26] Riddell: I am almost reasonable certain now that the quick click issue was due to integration issues [12:29] what is thic microcode checkbox about http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/13/worksace14.png ? [12:29] clicking quickly didn't change, plasma still starts fine [12:39] soee: nobody knows [12:39] also the package description odesn't offer more information [12:39] :p [12:39] quite the user experience fail [12:39] The microcode data file contains the latest microcode definitions for all Intel processors. Intel releases microcode updates to correct processor behavior as documented in the respective processor specification updates. While the regular approach to getting this microcode update is via a BIOS upgrade, Intel realizes that this can be an administrative hassle. The Linux operating system and VMware ESX products have a mechanism to update the microcode [12:39] after booting. For example, this file will be used by the operating system mechanism if the file is placed in the /etc/firmware directory of the Linux system. [12:40] eee. [12:40] shadeslayer: btw you should bribe jens into coming up with a nicer design for the manager :P [12:43] sitter: so if i check it it should download some fiel and place it in /etc/firmware to be used by intel product ? [12:44] no clue where it places the file [12:44] somehow it will deploy the latest microcode for you cpu though [12:44] -.- [12:46] maybe i just should take the risk and install it .. [12:47] also why this checkbox once shows up above driver list, once under it ? [12:48] soee: ask shadeslayer [12:49] supposedly because the data returned by the underlying thingy is not actually sorting the detected drivers by anything [12:49] should be easy to force sorting on it though [12:50] ok i have nstalled this maginc thing, will reboot soon and see what happens [12:58] system did not die, so this microthing atleast didnt break it === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik === JJESSE is now known as jjesse [13:23] sitter: chatting with mvo I think packagekit is fine to update to 0.9 (not the latest 1.0 versions) and that means newer packagekit-qt and that means we could get kicker doing whatever it wants to do [13:23] and my idea for a gsoc project to get dolphin/gwenview etc to install stuff could just use packagekit [13:23] fair enough [13:23] GLib.Error: udisks-error-quark: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Error.Failed: Error synchronizing after initial wipe: Timed out waiting for object (0) [13:24] if usb-creator had any more bugs I would argue it should be removed from the archive........ [13:29] and session got stuck on reboot [13:35] usb/disk-creator only worked once out of 3 tries for me, so i switched to dd [13:37] BluesKaj: sitter: Same for me, but I am afraid of dd, so I used unetbootin. When I say it did not work, the UI appeared to work, but my laptops did not recognize it as a bootable image. [13:38] mparillo, yes I had the same experience ..just wouldn't boot [13:38] unetbootin was worse, I never got it toi work [14:03] so this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1430817 is result of daemon-reload reloading plymouth (as mentioned here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1431200) ? [14:03] Launchpad bug 1431200 in systemd (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1430817 daemon-reload runs alsa-restore.service and others" [High,In progress] [14:03] Launchpad bug 1431200 in systemd (Ubuntu) "daemon-reload runs alsa-restore.service and others" [High,In progress] === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 14.12.3 Status http://goo.gl/SudPKi | Crash tracker : http://goo.gl/Cdynad | kf5.8 http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.8.0_vivid.html [14:10] Riddell: this link to kf8 is broken [14:11] ee works now [14:14] up now [14:16] groovy, es la hora para apredar castellano, adios! [14:30] ovidiu-florin: Did you get anywhere with the design from Paweł? [15:45] hiyas all [15:47] hiho sgclark [16:53] Hello. I'm ovidiu-florin brother [16:53] hola Pablo ! [16:53] I'm away just now but do stick around [16:54] I'm trying to help my brother with the Kubuntu site [16:55] yay :) [16:55] and i don't know how to find RSS link [16:55] current or for his new setup? [16:56] current [16:56] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/feed [16:57] thanks [17:05] Pablo: read this: http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Feeds [17:13] Pablo: http://www.example.com/category/categoryname/feed [17:17] http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/category/categoryname/feed/ [17:18] http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/category/news/feed/ [17:20] Pablo: run this here: /join #wordpress [17:20] /join #wordpress [18:03] Pablo es un nombre romaniano? escucha como un nombre espanol [18:11] My name is not Pablo, is just a nickname [18:12] because of my long hair (unfortunately not anymore) [18:15] yeah.. his girlfriend convinced him to cut it [18:16] haha....good one === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [18:39] ovidiu-florin: ping [18:39] ahoneybun: pon [18:39] g [18:40] ovidiu-florin: what's wrong with the gwenview screenie? [18:41] ahoneybun: have you seen my trello comments? [18:42] Good evening. [18:42] evening lordievader [18:42] Hey sgclark, how are you? [18:42] ovidiu-florin: yea but I don;t understand the filenames [18:42] hey lordievader and sgclark [18:43] Hey ahoneybun, how are you? [18:43] hey ahoneybun. good lordievader and you? [18:43] good just got home from work lordievader sgclark [18:43] ahoneybun: you gave 2 links [18:44] I saw the right one now [18:44] the one on dropbox is the one with the filenames [18:44] ahoneybun: it's awesome [18:45] so gwenview is good now ovidiu-florin? [18:45]