=== robert_ is now known as Guest57565 [00:12] I am trying to get kubuntu to output the same image to 2 monitors. however it appears to be non-trivial -- is there a way to do this? [01:04] #joi /jesusandhacking [01:04] #join /jesusandhacking === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun === tuv0k is now known as darthanubis === Yukkii is now known as Yukkino === pvoigt is now known as Guest17458 === jack_ is now known as Jack-Zhang [08:46] good morning [09:14] has anyone any suggestions for hat to use for remote desktop sessions with plasma5 ? [09:14] *sorry - i'mnot signed in correctly - back in a sec.) === morgan_ is now known as yossarianuk [09:15] (in case the message wasn't seen - I wasn't signed in correctly to IRC) [09:15] has anyone any suggestions for what to use for remote desktop sessions with plasma5 ? [09:15] with KDE 4.x I have been used X2go (probably the best remote desktop software I have seen.) [09:22] that doesn't work with plasma5 I believe due to 'KDE 5: Incompatible due to plasmashell requiring GLX 1.3' [09:22] I hate VNC as its far far far far worse then x2go (nx) [09:22] there is nomachines but that is now awful [09:23] what do you guys use for remote desktop'infg [09:23] *desktoping* [09:45] hello [09:46] I was wondering if anyone here uses Kubuntu 14.10 with plasma 5. Is it a stable experience? [09:49] I tried 5.1 a few months ago and it was fairly stable - 5.2 is meant to be more stable... [09:50] Do I have to do anything special to get it up to 5.2? [09:50] Or is that just an update away? [09:55] aftereyo: If you want to try out 5.2 then I suggest trying the 15.04 beta . [09:55] Well, I think I would rather stay with the more stable 14.10 or 14.04. [09:56] if you want to try plasma 5.2 I think you need to be on 14.10 [09:56] not 14.04) [09:56] you can add the kubuntu ppa here - http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.2 [09:56] however it may oddly be more stable to use the beta.. [09:57] So yossarianuk this is what I am thinking [09:57] 1. Install Kubuntu 14.10 with plasma 4 [09:58] 2. upgrade to plasma 5, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10 [09:58] 3. upgrade 5.1 to 5.2, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.2 [09:58] Would that work? [10:09] aftereyo: should do (can't vouch though..) [10:12] wie geht es weiter ? [10:42] is 15.04 going to use this - https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.8.0.php ? [10:42] i.e frameworks 5.8 ? [10:42] or is it already frozen / [10:48] yossarianuk: i think yes, Riddell ^ [10:48] also QT 5.4.1 if im not wrong [10:51] yeah it'll get updated to 5.8 when someone has time [10:58] soee: Riddell: cheers [11:48] this may not be the place to ask - but what the hell... I have made a pretty coloured .bashrc (i.e PS1=...) however the colour escapes - - how to I prevent that ? [11:52] hey [11:52] I used this command to make a bootable usb stick for Kubuntu 15.04 [11:52] sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch [11:53] but when I check in the files app in elementary os it doesn't show any contents [11:54] I get this error when itry to open it in nemo [11:54] Sorry, could not display all the contents of "BBE7-A1B0": Error when getting information for file '/media/mayor/BBE7-A1B0/╥╦o.`k': Input/output error [11:54] aftereyo: you shouldn't need the 'bs=1m' bit [11:54] have you tried to unplug-plugin ? [11:55] what is that? [11:55] i.e unplug it, then plug back in. [11:56] oh, let me try [11:56] ah yes it works now [11:56] Wow, who could have guessed [11:56] That stuff almost never works [11:56] thanks [11:56] Lets hope I can boot this time [11:56] aftereyo you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted [12:02] Hiyas all === mayor is now known as aftereyo [12:19] hi [12:19] I just install Kubuntu 15.04 succusfully [12:21] The driver manager does not show drivers for my GPU or wifi card [12:21] and synaptic doesn't exist yet for 15.04 [12:22] how else can I get my drivers? [12:22] aftereyo: hi, for package managements ue Muon [12:22] *use [12:23] let me check drier manager, also what gpu are you using ? [12:23] nvidia 240gtm [12:23] nvidia-331 is my driver I normaly use [12:24] I cannot find synaptic in Muon either [12:24] aftereyo: it lists drivers for me http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/13/worksace14.png [12:25] but there were problems with it before [12:25] aftereyo: are you uing daily iso ? [12:25] and do you have latest upgrades ? [12:25] NO, fresh nsitall [12:25] let me check the updates [12:26] Why is it called muon now? [12:26] aftereyo, sudo apt-get install nvidia-340, which is the 15.04 driver for your gpu [12:26] I should probably update the os first though right? [12:27] yes [12:27] okay [12:27] Muon update closes once I start it [12:27] and dist-upgrade too [12:27] I see the name in the task bar for about 2 seoncds [12:27] can i update via the terminal? [12:27] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [12:27] just use the terminal for now [12:27] will that work? [12:28] yes [12:29] will I be able to upgrade all the way to when 15.04 officially comes out? [12:29] or will i have to reinstall? [12:30] aftereyo: sure you will can, just apply updates when tehy show up [12:30] and you will be finally on 15.04 stable :) [12:30] cool [12:30] plasma 5 is such a nice improvment [12:30] finally a linux distro that looks nice [12:32] aftereyo: after you play a bit with 15.04, feel free to share with us your note https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/XdgxMysGSfw :) [12:32] are you a dev? [12:33] aftereyo: no no :) i do some stuff for cmmunity [12:34] I there a way without g+? [12:35] how do I ge the icon only taskbar? [12:37] aftereyo: unlock widget, than right click on current task manager and pick Alternatives [12:37] than choose the one you want [12:37] *unlock widgets [12:43] Should I use samba to network two ubuntu desktops? [12:44] hmm lordivader recommended once some other tool, BluesKaj ^ do you know better one than samba ? [12:44] I'd use SMB as a last resort [12:45] !share [12:45] hmmm [12:45] ssh [12:45] oh well, I'd use NFS or SSHFS [12:45] hateball: ty, I thought I was probably going in a bad direction, using a windows protocal to network linux pcs [12:46] in dolphin networking , soee ? [12:46] rosco_y: ^ [12:46] can anyone share a link to some noobie information on networking two linux desktops? [12:46] BluesKaj: its about what rosco_y asking [12:47] yes , I see that now ...should have looked futher up the scroll [12:47] :) I admit I don't know everything about everything..... [12:48] rosco_y, try networking in dolphin before resorting to samba [12:48] cool, that looks better [12:48] BluesKaj: thank you--I thought Dolphin was a file manager ? [12:48] rosco_y, add network folder [12:48] oh its more powerfull [12:49] BluesKaj: Awesome, I think I love you.... [12:49] ros yers it can manage files over a network too [12:49] rosco_y,^ [12:51] now now let's reserve judgement til it works , rosco_y ") [12:57] how can I get Anti Aliasing for window previews? [12:58] http://i.imgur.com/Wu9mIud.png [12:58] see how it is all pixelated [13:00] mayor, systemsettings >app appearance>fonts>enable antialiasing === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik === mayor is now known as aftereyo [13:03] fonts already have aa [13:03] it the small window preivew I am atalking about when you hover over the icon or alt tab [13:03] alt + tab shwos the list of window small on the left side [13:08] aftereyo, system settings has changed in 15.04 vs 14.10 [13:09] okay [13:09] let me restart [13:09] plasma 5 vs 4 actually [13:10] hmm [13:10] brb restarting [13:17] Can anyone tell me what is a .fab file meant for? === mayor is now known as aftereyo [13:18] hi [13:18] so yeah, I enabled the font AA and the previews are still pixelated [13:21] drawkward: Fabmaster? http://www.unisoft-cim.com/importers.htm Fabmaster seems to be obsolete product that is not supported by its developers. http://www.file-extensions.org/fab-file-extension http://www.kornzauber.de/en/extension/fab [13:23] mparillo: i googled .fab and came to that webpage. but i am confused because I am working on Stellarium, which uses .fab files for constellations. [13:24] Its probably their own format [13:24] aftereyo, have you done a dist-upgrade? [13:24] no [13:24] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [13:24] that one? [13:24] yes [13:25] Muon is currenlty updating, I will in a sec [13:25] what does dist-upgrade give me? [13:26] !dist-upgrade [13:26] A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. [13:26] !dist-upgrade [13:26] :) [13:26] !upgrade [13:26] Pici: how do you make your own format or implement something similar? For instance if I am studying how constellations are done in stellarium, and I want to implement the same thing on kstars in kubuntu, how can I use their file format? [13:26] For upgrading instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu [13:27] drawkward: I'd start by looking at the stellarium developer documentation: http://www.stellarium.org/doc/head/index.html [13:28] ok thanks [13:29] btw aftereyo , now that you're on 15.04 , any questions regarding it should be asked in #ubuntu+1, the chat supports all flavours of 15.04 [13:29] drawkward: #stellarium also exists, and *might* be helpful. [13:29] Okay thanks [13:30] so Kubuntu 15.04 is off topic here? [13:31] basically, yes [13:42] Hi All [13:44] With Kubuntu 14.04 is the LTS, right? [13:44] So what is with users having 14.10? Do they need to up or downgrade when the update period is over and is a upgrade via the Terminal or similar possible as soon the upcoming LTS is available? [13:46] Ok - scrap the the upgrade question. Just found my answer. Seems as if there will be a notification on the system :) [13:47] Jiyuhen, yes upgrade via terminal with do-release-upgrade , but one should update/upgrade and dist-upgrade before doing so [13:48] I'm referring to an upgrade to 14.10 [13:49] Thank you BluesKaj! [13:49] Yeah, so is it better to roll with the releases or stick with the LTS ones? [13:49] the same goes for 15.04 when it's officially released in April , then 14.10 users can do the same [13:51] So always roll with the releases? [13:52] Jiyuhen, that's a matter of what you require from a release, most workplaces require stability and long term support so LTS is usually best for those situations === fred_ is now known as Guest68281 [13:53] a home user like me upgrades to new releases when available, but that's my personal preference [13:54] I am just fighting the n00b in me, trying to understand the ups and downs. I am on 14.10, which is so far stable and I like it, but 14.04 is the LTS. [13:56] BluesKaj, so the LTS is the all tested and the releases inbetween are those were "we" help the Devs in making a better next LTS? -Would that fit as a very simple explanation? [13:57] LTS is long term support [13:57] which means it not bleeding edge [13:57] It's aimed at people who will no reinstall every 9 months [13:58] Jiyuhen, well I suppose there's an element of users acting as testers , but there are ppl like me who test dev releases as a hobby:) [13:59] Ok :) [14:05] vivid 'feels' a bit smoother with X 1.17 and my 280x. === DeadS0ul is now known as spawn57 === kubuntu is now known as Fizzlifax === kubuntu is now known as Fizzlifax [15:12] halo\ [15:13] resolution issue kubuntu 14.04 intel hd graphics [15:13] Recently installed Kubuntu 14.04. I am only gets maximum resolution of 1024x768. Required resolution 1360x768. How to get the same ? Please help me [15:14] no none here ? [15:14] WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:16] marinalexxx [15:16] :-) [15:17] help in intel driver ? [15:17] BluesKaj: do you have any experience with intel drivers to help thaha ? [15:18] tried intel graphics installer [15:18] installed above package and ran with an installer.. Installer installed several packages like build-essentials and shows report. ''sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'' d the system. rebooted, Nothing happened. No new entry in resolution selection in KDE control module. What I do sir ? [15:19] :'( [15:20] thaha: i don't know, my resolution on this laptop is autodetected i think [15:20] i got only 1024x768 maximum [15:20] thaha, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel [15:21] and i don't use anything more than what kubuntu installs by default [15:21] BluesKa,Executed sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel [15:22] thaha, there won't be any output from that command , it loads the intel driver ...then reboot [15:22] i will be back [15:24] rebooted [15:24] no effect [15:25] thaha_, so what have you doner so far in regards to kmix or alsamixer ? [15:25] kmix is installed with kubuntu [15:26] yes, as ia alsamixer [15:26] BluesKaj: but we are talking about gpu driver right ? [15:26] ia-is [15:26] ya GPU driver [15:26] why audio [15:26] ? [15:26] ght it was audiooops , thouf [15:26] there is no issue in audio [15:26] err audio [15:27] xrandr Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1024 x 768, maximum 32767 x 32767 VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm 1024x768 60.0* 800x600 60.3 56.2 848x480 60.0 640x480 59.9 HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted rig [15:27] scuse my mistake ... [15:27] have any idea to set resolution to 1360x768 ? [15:27] Kde control module shows upto 1024x768 [15:28] ammede andi kure myrenmaar join cheyyundnenalathe oru pariyum nadakillanu thonnunnu :'( [15:28] does grep 'Modeline' /var/log/Xorg.0.log show a 1360x768 modeline? [15:28] grep 'Modeline' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [ 15.610] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e) [ 15.610] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e) [ 15.610] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2 36.00 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz e) [ 15.610] (II) intel(0): Mo [15:29] it not you'll probably have to add your own custom modeline, not something i have experience with [15:29] how ? [15:30] no modile lines will work [15:30] i tried to addmoelines and failed [15:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution has a part about adding undetected resolutions. [15:32] tried above guide [15:32] xrandr: cannot find mode 1360x768 [15:34] thaha_, is the gpu driver the i915? [15:34] how to check the gpu driver ? === Yukkino is now known as Yukkii [15:35] thaha_, lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D' [15:36] lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D' 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06) Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Device [1458:d000] Kernel driver in use: i915 00:03.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller [8086:0c0c] (rev 06) [15:37] o, thaha_ Kernel driver in use: i915, which is the correct one [15:37] bluesKaj ?????????? [15:38] correct ? using gigabyte motherboard [15:38] it is the the correct thaha_ , didn't mean to confuse [15:39] okay. [15:42] then how i adjust resolution [15:46] thaha_, do you have opengl 2.0 at a minimum chosen in systemsettings>desktop effects.advanced>composting and Qt graphics set at raster ? [15:47] yes [15:47] raster [15:47] what about composting type ? [15:48] opengl 2.0 [15:51] then in system settings>display configuration>LVDS1 the list of available rsolutions should show 1366x768 as the top available resolution [15:52] display configuration or display and monitor ? [15:52] no entry like display configuration ? [15:53] okay. display configuration shows VGA1 [15:53] 1024x768 is top available resolution [15:54] your moitor supports higher ? [15:54] in display and monitor>display configuration ..ok which kubuntu bersion are you running , I didn't see [15:54] worked with centos 6 in 1360x768 [15:54] versu= [15:55] version rather [15:55] kubuntu 14.04 [15:56] thaha_: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution [15:56] so the dsiplay configuration doesn't show the LVDS1 ? it's been a while since ran 14.04 [15:57] only shows VGA1 [15:57] LVDS1 isnt that just for laptop displays? [15:57] tried via xrandr new modline [15:57] its pc [15:58] not laptop [15:58] samsung monitor\ [15:58] yeah thats why you dont have a LVDS1 [15:58] doh! ..it seemed like a laptop by the specs [16:00] thaha_: doh! I see that linkwas alreadt posted.. what about "xrandr --addmode VGA1 1360x768" [16:00] xrandr --addmode VGA1 "1360x768" xrandr: cannot find mode "1360x768" [16:05] any way ? [16:06] thaha_: you might want to ask on #ubuntu as there is more users [16:07] okayz [16:07] did you try adding the modeline 'cvt 1360 768 60' outputs [16:10] I didn't think he needed to install and configure the driver that should have already been installed by default with the OS [17:12] Does anyone know where I can find the settings for kde5 with kubuntu 15.04? I am trying to clear old settings but removing .kde does not seem to get everything [17:15] Could some be in .local/share? [17:19] DaltonCalford: also .config/ is involved with storing settings [17:19] DaltonCalford, don't think the full kde5 package is installed yet , just plasma 5 and KF5 , looked in /usr/share, maybe it resides elasewhere but plasma 4 is still in /usr/share [17:19] but this also has your apps configuration to do a backup before removing [17:20] ok, so, .kde, .config and ./local/share are possible places that hold the problems [17:21] and BluesKaj, plasma5/kde 5 is the default for 15.04 [17:21] I will try to clean those up, thanks guys [17:26] DaltonCalford, I'm on 15.04 , and i don't see kde5 anywhere as a package like kde4 [17:27] oops too late ,. again [17:31] how can i log out of kubuntu via terminal [17:31] gnome-session-quit isn't working === Bigcheese_ is now known as Bigcheese === james- is now known as james-_- === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [18:40] yay ! everyone changes nick [18:41] Good evening. [18:43] hello === scythe is now known as scythe_ === scythe_ is now known as scythe__ === scythe__ is now known as xscythex [19:35] anybody know of a way to control notifications by activity? I want to make a no distraction activity. [19:38] rberg_: am I wrong, or is that what "system settings > system notification configuration" does? [19:40] bprompt: those settings apear to apply to all activities [19:41] hmmm it has a categorizing per app , in the "Event source" pulldown it seems [19:42] I would like to have a 'Desktop' activity that has my email, chat, web browser, and notifications and a 'Development' activity full of konsoles and code with no notifications at all.. === shannon is now known as melwar [19:44] hmmm maybe something in the repositories or just turn off all notifications =) [19:46] is there a single notification toggle somewhere or a qdbus command I can send? [19:46] these are probably better suited for #kde [19:49] rberg_: I see "colibri" in the universe repository, which is another type of notification daemon, maybe more configuratble than kwin's [19:50] thanks I will look into this === edwin_ is now known as dune [20:37] So I think my kubuntu 15.04 install is broken [20:37] the plasmashell (desktop, launcher, background) no longer launches [20:38] At least not on start up [20:38] problem is that I cannot start it manually either [20:39] when I do Ctrl Alt f2 to go to shell I cannot return to the empty desktop [20:39] even though plasma5 did not launcher there was a black desktop [20:39] I saw the mouise [20:44] afteoyo_: probably this bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1430817 [20:44] Launchpad bug 1431200 in systemd (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1430817 daemon-reload runs alsa-restore.service and others" [High,In progress] [20:44] there is a fix in the later comments [20:46] I see thanks [20:46] I will try it [20:47] brb [20:59] MoonUnit`, I did those 2 commands [20:59] they are both valid commands and run [20:59] but what am I supposed to do afterwards? [21:00] I am still in a shell [21:00] startx doesn't work, it just makes the entire screen black [21:00] plasmashell won't start inside of a shell [21:00] no idea, when i enabled the sddm service the login screen appeared. [21:01] may not be the same bug then [21:01] I get a login screen first [21:01] power up -> login screen -> a black desktop with mouse -> ctrl alt f2 for a shell -> run commands -> stuck [21:09] afteoyo_: I had a similar problem. [21:09] Are you still able to launch Krunner when you log in? [21:09] yeah [21:09] but only open it and type stuff in [21:09] not execute anything [21:09] Yeah, it was the same for me [21:10] If I can't figure out what the problem is, I'm planning to just reinstall 14.10 [21:10] Me too :D [21:10] Or wait for 15.04 release [21:10] When in doubt, surrender -- Albert Einstein [21:11] lol [21:11] It was weird though, because I don't remember changing anything [21:11] Just, one day, I couldn't log in properly [21:11] Yeah [21:11] same [21:13] I am too new to ubuntu to fix it [21:13] can't even pinpoint the problem [21:13] I think I will just reinstall something [21:15] my usual fix for kde not starting up properly like that is to rename .kde and .local then restart with clean configs. [21:15] I will give that a shot tomorrow [21:16] but for now it nnn time [21:16] bye guys [21:16] cya soon [21:16] where are those files/folder? [21:16] /home? [21:16] /? [21:16] yeah in you home folder [21:17] the dot before the file name mean they are hidden byu default in dolphin, should be a toggle to show them. [21:18] aky [21:18] thanks [21:18] time to sleep [21:18] np [21:18] Will reutrn tomorrow with results [21:29] Your computer is in danger. Please immediately run rm / -rf [21:30] AxeChopper: Please don't give such advice. [21:31] Your computer is in danger. [21:31] hehee [21:31] That is doesn't work is besides the point. [21:31] Please donate $10 to our foundation or immediately run "rm / -rf" for free results. [21:32] that will still delete ~/ and in the end isn't that where the important data is on a desktop/laptop [21:32] i once did rm -rf / [21:32] AxeChopper: press immediately -> sudo poweroff <--- to get $100 in bogus bitcoins [21:32] with safety off [21:32] hehee [21:33] someone who got bored of watching pokemon reruns I gather === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [21:47] Is Kubuntu 15.04 getting an audio overhaul? please say yes.. I'm so so tired of audio constantly failing that I'm nearly ready to go back to windows (And kill myself while I'm at it).. pulseaudio failing all the time, and then there is a good 16 step 3 hour debugging process you can try each time.. Yeah, don't think so === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [21:50] I just pulseaudio -k and restarted amarok.. now amarok does not hang, it plays, but still no sound.. alsamixer shows all audio muted (HOW if my kmix shows all is at max? Don't tell me that each layer can modify sound levels, my headache is big enough already... I cannot modify the alsamixer sound levels.. I guess go windows and reboot again? [22:05] I am seriously so tired of this.. Why can't we have one nice simple audio stack so that if there is a problem, I don't have to check in twenty places...? === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [22:40] phoenixz: more or less what you say is all true [22:40] phoenixz: you need to get the ALSA level right. PulseAudio is just a sound mixer. [22:41] phoenixz: I have written a nice page about GNU/Linux sound here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubles === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [23:13] anyone good with asla? [23:13] adept: ALSA you mean? [23:13] my headphones jack stopped foring but it worked until I threw kubuntu on this laptop [23:13] si pardon my butterfingers [23:14] !info alsamixer [23:14] Package alsamixer does not exist in utopic [23:14] hmmm [23:15] !info alsamixer-gui [23:15] Package alsamixer-gui does not exist in utopic [23:16] !info alsamixergui [23:16] alsamixergui (source: alsamixergui): graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.0rc2-1-9.1 (utopic), package size 26 kB, installed size 112 kB [23:16] that might be what you need [23:17] do an `apt-cache search alsa` in the cli and there are lots of results -- muon search for alsa might get you what you need as well [23:17] muon package manager [23:17] discover probably will not discover [23:18] hi [23:19] Why do we still require alsa anyway? So far, for audio, I've seen on my laptop.. Alsa, pulseaudio, gstreamer, phonon.. Can't we have just one audio stack that just works? I'm still without audio :( [23:20] phoenixz: more help is always needed [23:20] anyone tried plasma 5 how about with games steam etc ? [23:20] evidently steam is easier to install now, Turk [23:21] phoenixz: I hear your cry, and sympathize [23:21] it is better than it used to be, imo [23:21] i always use steam with wine not linux version cause of some games [23:21] how is it working with plasma 5 [23:22] im using ubuntu now but i m gonna download kubuntu i dont like unity and gnome much [23:22] I don't use it, but as I say, installing steam at least is easier than ever [23:22]