[00:51] what to watch [00:52] eye candy ..sirens or that statham film wild card [00:52] hm [00:52] eye candy sounds iffy..and i expect a statham film will be same old same old? [01:07] hmmm [01:07] noone around again [01:12] I'm here [01:13] statham is always fun when you don't want to concentrate === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [03:20] hey [03:20] yea [03:20] diddledan [03:20] sometimes films where you dont need to concentrate are good;p fall asleep..miss 30mins..doesnt matter [03:20] ello [03:21] er... what is steam broadcasting? [03:21] no idea [03:21] on my steam profile there's a button that says "watch game" [03:21] the tennis? [03:21] :d === m0nkey_ is now known as m0nkey_|away [08:13] morning all [08:23] morning everyone === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:26] Sheesh, these Fedora chaps have no patience, say "morning" and quit :) [08:26] Morning [08:34] heh [09:16] Morning all === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:38] Good morning all; happy Friday the 13th, and happy Digital Learning Day! :-D [09:45] JamesTait: I moved crystal lake next door to you so lock up the doors really tight :D [09:56] Mornin peeps [09:59] Im starting to doubt myself. Have a mega expensive macbook. All I love to do all day is use it as a glorified thin client to connect to the apps on my 30 euro Raspberry pi. [10:00] hehe [10:04] I love my OSX environment but mostly I just run a Chromixium VM fullscreen so I have access to all the command line apps i like [10:04] http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/03/12/google-code-will-shut-down-in-january-2016-because-almost-no-one-uses-it-anymore/ [10:04] this is why i don't want to use google keep, and plenty of other google services that die after a short unhappy life [10:06] I honestly think it's a good idea foobarry, actually agree with Google [10:06] Nearly everything I see on Google Code is dead [10:06] Github et all are a much better platform [10:06] why is it dead [10:06] because google never fed their pet? [10:06] IIRC all Google Services that were inhouse developed (opposed by acquihire projects like Jaiku etc) that have been shut down have all had a method of exporting the data or transferring them elsewhere [10:06] Because people are moving to github [10:07] because git > svn [10:07] Defo [10:07] we can a github enterprise inhouse, its a pain [10:07] and not very open source friendly product [10:07] although it hosts OSS code [10:07] :S [10:07] They could have changed it all over probably, but why bother when there are other prods out there doing a better job [10:08] they could have made a better prodcut [10:09] But why bother when there are better products on the market that are fre [10:09] https://www.gitorious.org/ [10:09] Can run your own [10:09] Can use Github itself or bitbucket et all [10:10] I never liked google code site, I did like the search feature for searching up code though, not sure if that is available [10:11] also, launchpad ㋛ [10:12] heh, didn't get on so well with launchpad, but that was more me than it being bad :) [10:29] morning boys and girls. [10:39] allo === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:16] I think I want to buy a few big discs [11:16] just be careful when you type that in to google [11:17] lol, I almost mistyped when writing it in here [11:17] because I usually refer to them as the other word when speaking aloud [11:17] disks? [11:18] big hard disks? [11:18] replace the first s with a c [11:18] you have a dirty mind sir, i was thinking of something competely different [11:18] and don't be rash with ssds either [11:18] lol [11:18] zmoylan-pi, nah this is for a raidy-array [11:19] tape it is... :-) [11:20] 10 tape drives whirring away, whirring, stuttering, whining, driving you bonkers. and thats before the blinky lights and beeping and booping :-) [11:20] blinky lights are awesomesauce! [11:21] those microbits with their 5x5 led grid could be very cool [11:21] das ist nicht fur gefinger-poken mit de spits-n-sparken [11:22] thinking of blinky lights as airplane is 35 years old now. [11:22] :-o [11:22] love that movie [11:23] and don't call me shirley [11:23] that's an entirely different matter, all together [11:24] looked i picked the wrong day to quit smoking [11:39] is it true about the macbook with no usb ports? [11:42] it has one usb type C port [11:42] which is used for power, as well as accessories [11:43] if you want power *and* accessories at the same time, a) OMG SO GREEDY 2) you need an adapter to provide more ports. apple has an $80 dongle which is USBC->USBC,HDMI,USBA [11:44] anyone by chance used opensimilator? [11:44] at least this time most people have moved on before they shut it down unlike reader [11:44] brobostigon: not for a long time [11:44] whoops wrong channel [11:45] directhex: did you ever look at the irc bridge module? [11:45] no [11:45] ok, [11:54] directhex: I agree on the new macbook. The specs are too low, the ports are too few and who ever put in a 480P webcam hasn't been outside for a couple of years. [11:54] knightwise: the new macbook serves a niche. you may not be in that niche [11:54] i certainly wouldn't buy one [11:55] when even the new chrome pixel looks better than the new macbook... :-) [11:55] that's also niche, and appeals to me no more than the macbook [11:56] but it has _2_ ports i think :-) [11:56] and cheaper [11:57] I have a macbook (pro). Its a 15 inch powerhouse with a decent processor ,ram and storage. Its a workhorse. The new 12 inch macbook is an overpriced underperforming excuse for a netbook. [11:57] zmoylan-pi: it also has barely any local storage, making it junk [11:57] im not saying i need an RS332 port to be happy but 1 port is ludicrous. [11:58] but we all live in the cloud now directhex :-) [11:58] not on a mac we don't, the crummy broadcom wifi barely works in linux [11:59] that's your punishment for deviating from the true mac os [12:05] macos is a garbage toy [12:05] in my professional opinion, anyway [12:06] no arguments here. i liked it when i abandoned windows but it became too constraining so moved on to linux. seems to be the path of quite a few folk i know [12:09] i use a usb ethernet card for my work macbook, due to broadcom sucking [12:11] so that pic of the mac pCB is true? [12:11] tiny pi sized board on the bcp [12:11] mbp [12:12] but not the same price :-) [12:13] foobarry: yes. largely due to ports though [12:14] and the intel soc is 14nm process, rpi is a whopping 40nm [12:14] so transistor density is hugely different [12:15] MBair haven't gone ARM yet? [12:16] not this time around. [12:16] intel can compete with ARM, and also be intel compatible, so maybe they never will [12:28] more likely to go the other way - intel ipad [12:29] :-| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:30] although it works fine for android having both architectures === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:33] if I want to buy stocks, I should fund a stock isa, right? [13:36] who here happens to be a financial advisor, perchance? [13:38] hand me your wallet, i'm the wallet inspector [13:40] i handed my wallet to someone on my stag do [13:41] ended up with some pain a few weeks later when (new) wifey found a card in there apparently written by "Kim" who had a "Lovely time" [13:41] (my mate Steve wrote it) [14:03] I'm loving flashblock + youtubes separate audio/video streaming setup...flashblock has blocked the video but the audio is still playing, so I can listen to music without wasting loads of resources :D === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:41] aww yis, just got a letter randomly from the council telling me they've moved my property from council tax band D to C :D [15:09] hi folks. [15:09] i've installed mate along side unity, most things in unity are unaffected, accept, my notifications are suddenly in mate style,, === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [15:22] an gtk style pop up [15:22] looks pretty bad. === daftykin1 is now known as daftykins [16:27] afty all [16:28] I HUNGER [16:28] FEED ME, DAFTY [16:31] uuuh, sorry my cupboards are bare and it's raining :( === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:21] daftykins: feed him the cupboards [17:22] let him eat cupboard! [17:24] FEED ME TOOH! [17:24] I HUNGY [17:24] ME EEET [17:25] seriously, this network appears to be completely dead today - since I last looked at IRC there's been 6 lines in here and zero in ALL the channels I'm in besides [17:26] lots of joining and farting though [17:26] s/f/p [17:26] lovely [17:27] the fart was because I was talking about brainfarts in company's slack chat [17:32] i was out in the real world today [17:33] got heavily rained on, on the ride home too :D [17:34] the real world was sunny here! not warm, just sunny [17:35] wowzer [17:39] off work until the 21st now. not actually sure what to do with all the time [17:41] finish your hifi pi! [17:41] don't be silly. I don't finish anything I start :) [17:42] :D [17:43] was actually just looking at that oled display I got. it arrived today, and ... well it was bigger in my head (sh'up dan) [17:46] ;] [17:46] heh, this mates Windows laptop i had to decrapify was missing a screw beside a hinge, so it was being pried apart when flipped open [17:47] none of my spare screws fit, so i just took one from where it was far less needed :P [17:48] (other than that, said project is currently making loud noises :) [17:49] ooh very good === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [19:16] hah, took a guess at how to resize the filesystem and it seems to have worked. phew! [19:16] XD [19:16] i don't fancy attacking one of my desktops to clone a laptop HDD to an SSD, so i'm trying clonezilla's disk to image right now [19:17] that's something I've never toyed with [19:19] aside from clonezilla freaking out that it detected GPT remnants on the MBR installed disk, it's gone swimmingly from internal disk to a USB3 external i have [19:19] now doing the drive transplant and then i shall restore to this SSD [19:19] very easy :) [19:19] fingers crossed [19:28] excellent, SSD transplanted and now backing that one up to my external first [19:29] so that's yet another 500GB mechanical laptop HDD i've got knocking around here doing nothing ^_^ [19:30] oh dear ISP of mine, not back to giving me a faulty line card are we? tut tut [19:30] you say that like it's a good thing? [19:31] the HDD thing? [19:32] yeah [19:32] yeah 'tis quite wasteful really [19:33] I've started transplanting old ssd's into external caddies. now that feels like a waste [19:33] all those non spinning disks not helping stabilise the earth as gyroscopes... [19:34] right, got my usual 3 infinite pings running again [19:34] lets see if it was just a freak coincidence or whether my connection really is wonky again ;) [19:34] the ping of let's see :-) [19:34] one from a PC to the router, one to the first hop on the ISP side and one to Google UK [19:35] i had this before where a wonky linecard was periodically dropping all packets for a couple of seconds [19:35] took a few calls to get them to do something about that one ;) [19:35] intermittent problems are the most... fun [19:35] hm, that reminds me of the time I was terribly rude to my isp's tech support. I ended up just sitting and reading each ping time until they found me someone else to talk to [19:35] lmao [19:35] "12 .. 20 ........ 3000." [19:36] the speaking ping.... [19:36] hm, I think there's fable somewhere of someone piping ping into festival and then walking around wiggling cables while it chattered to itself [19:37] we had a bugs bunny line that we had them come out over a dozen times and it was still unrepaired. if you rang the number it wouldn't ring, if you rang out on it then incoming calls would come in for a day or so. not good for a fax line [19:37] wow, my wired connection between PC and router is occasionally spiking to 5, 7 or 11ms instead of <1 [19:38] sounds like a network card or cable, maybe [19:39] i am saturating my upload at the moment, i wonder if my ISP supplied router is too pants to handle that ;D [19:39] try pinging another device on your network at same time [19:40] that's a good idea [19:40] occasionly i do have good ones :-) [19:40] very occasionly i have a doozy :-D [19:40] oh i wouldn't dream of doubting you, sir! [19:41] ooh yes, shows up going from file server to my desktop too [19:41] intel PCI-E 1x NIC [19:41] ah well, not like it's the end of the world [19:41] unless you're playing games over lan :-) [19:42] not me! [19:59] cor, i've been asked to look at plotters [19:59] http://www.ebuyer.com/406412-hp-designjet-t120-24-eprinter-cq891a-b19 [19:59] £708 O_O [20:00] you'd be better off getting someone off dole cheap on government scheme and a sharpie marker :-) [20:02] :D [20:03] lego mindstorms kit! [20:03] or infinite monkies and a sharpie... but who has the space :-) [20:03] a radio controlled car guided by pc... [20:04] think of the fun you can have during work hours 'configuring' it [20:07] XD [20:10] and the second car is for calibration... [20:11] ooh i am bad, tempted by takeaway yet again [20:11] daftykins, what you uploading that's saturising your link? [20:12] this and that (: [20:13] I'm so confused. I can't install libsdl2 because it's trying to overwrite a file that also exists in libsdl2 [20:13] shauno, maybe someone packaged something else wonkily? [20:13] same package twice? [20:14] I'm honestly not sure. it's a cluser .. potato [20:14] *cluster [20:14] cluster potato? [20:14] I know you're trying to be irish, but .. clustered spud? [20:15] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gXge6td1jfM [20:16] ah, okay. something is trying to use libsdl2, and something else is trying to use libsdl2-2.0-0 [20:16] one provides 2.0.2, and one provides 2.0.3 [20:16] err [20:17] so I'll go make coffee while it tries apt-get update, see if maybe I just caught the mirror with its pants down [20:19] do mirrors wear pants? [20:20] best not to ask such things [20:20] there are some things you're simply better off not knowing [20:25] I suppose the question should be raised at some point: do you do your danglies up? [20:26] I may require your mother's email address. [20:26] she doesn't have email [20:27] well she does. she just doesn't know how to work it [20:27] she probably isn't even aware it exists [20:28] hm. how else am I going to tell on you? [20:29] okay, I have no idea what I've done, but both soundcards appear in alsa now [20:29] well, I know what I've been doing, but I know I couldn't repeat it again lol [20:37] shauno, what you working on? [20:38] trying to install retropie on debian. without breaking all the mess that volumio have made [20:39] (well, I have to mess some of it up later, because they seem to have broken wifi & ipv6) [20:40] this seems to be the downside of these pre-canned images. they take it as license to do everything the most clumsy way they can [20:40] so trying to munge together two of them involves a lot of running around and asking people to please keep off the grass [20:45] why are they shipping different versions of libraries? are they not on the same base raspbian? [20:52] if I knew the answer to that, I'd probably be half way there :) [21:01] still not happy about sdl. bah [21:02] just brought up my working copy on another pi - seems retropie is using wheezy and volumio is using jessie [21:03] but they are both raspbian at least [21:03] which one is newer? [21:03] wheezy? [21:04] jessie is 8.x and wheezy is 7.x .. I think [21:05] it was simpler when there was "stable" whatever it happened to be and "lenny" was the "in the distance" release [21:05] I always assumed lenny was a pseudo-static release name for the dev version no matter what releases had happened [21:05] lol, nope [21:06] sid's the static one [21:06] lenny is oldstable, wheezy is stable, jessie is testing, sid is unstable [21:06] so volumio shouldn't have based on jessie then - seeing as that version is testing :-p [21:07] most likely :) [21:07] I'm getting really tempted to just start with raspbian and try to build them both up from scratch. rather than trying to install on onto the other's canned image [21:07] of course the naive side of me says "just apt-get source and build it yourself" [21:08] heh, jinx [21:08] I believe volumio has a bunch of latency-obsessed kernel patches [21:08] other than that, it's just mpd and some messed up webapp [21:09] hrmm ok, slight roadblock there. my image is from a 500GB disk with a 100MB partition and a 100GB partition... but clonezilla won't restore it to a 180GB SSD [21:09] daftykins, eh? [21:09] daftykins, that doesn't make sense [21:09] daftykins, do it with gparted [21:09] bit weird isn't it [21:09] or dd [21:10] hmm might work [21:10] daftykins: what filesystem? [21:10] hah, I've just noticed what's breaking. the installer script for retropie is downloading specific versions of packages [21:11] recreate the partition table on the new disk (maybe give a bit of space in-hand for each partition for expansion) and then dd the partitions across followed by a resizefs [21:11] I kinda assumed they weren't linux partitions ;) [21:11] intrbiz: it's a win7 install, so NTFS [21:11] ntfsresize then [21:12] or is it resizentfs? [21:12] one or the other [21:12] no no, 100MB + 100GB fits into 180GB fine :D but for some reason clonezilla goes "these came from a 500GB! i can't do this!" [21:12] turns out clonezilla's "img" is actually a folder with a tonne of separate files too, not just a single file to dd [21:12] daftykins: when you say a 100GB partition, do you actually mean there is 400GB unpartitioned space on the disk? [21:12] yes [21:12] daftykins: the latter is probably a good thing. hoisting around whole 100GB files really limits what filesystems you can use [21:13] i did that intentionally so it could fit [21:13] daftykins, no, I mean with the resize fs step to ensure that a rounding error doesn't cause your filesystem to spew off the end of the partition into mid-air [21:13] daftykins: ah ok, then I'd just DD each partition to the new disk [21:13] yeah clonezilla seems to have stored the source partitions in split files >_< [21:13] back in my day we'd just pipe tar into tar :( [21:14] in fact that's because it's imaged the data only [21:14] if i partition manually on the disk i might be able to tell clonezilla to do each partition to partition :> [21:14] shauno, tar Jc /dir | tar Jx /target? [21:15] (I chose J on purpose to see who would spot the evilness of that) [21:15] hint. xzip [21:15] shauno: surely that would do a file level copy, rather than a raw byte by byte copy which dd does [21:16] intrbiz, with linux systems a file-level copy is sufficient [21:16] diddledan: not in all situations [21:16] the only bit you'd need to dd is the mbr [21:16] but grub-install can bypass that [21:17] diddledan: there are times where you want a byte by byte clone of the disk [21:17] I'm a pervert - got choccy-fudge cake! \o/ [21:18] diddledan: :O [21:18] i haven't even done food yet [21:18] lol, nah, no compression. just tar cf --one-file-system - | (cd /somewhere/else; tar xvpf -) [21:18] diddledan: plus you'd need to ensure tar copies things like extended attributes and capabilities [21:19] (or throw ssh in the middle to be evil) [21:20] shauno: or netcat [21:21] ssh localhost tar Jcf --one-file-system - | ssh localhost tar Jxf - -C /somewhere/else [21:21] :-p [21:22] mess with all the things [21:22] ! [21:24] okay, it seems I need to build my own sdl [21:24] \o/ [21:25] ok i think i won, i used the windows installer to create the same partitions then booted back into clonezilla to restore image partition -> actual partition [21:25] seems to be working O_. [21:26] does windows not have a built-in widget to do this? lol [21:26] do what? [21:26] migrate drives [21:26] not that i know of ^_^ [21:27] i like clonezilla though, just didn't realise it would be so protective it wouldn't let you restore an image onto a smaller disk if the sum of the partitions are < the new disk [21:27] eg, on my mac I'd just take the old drive out, put a new drive in, stick the old drive in an external caddy, and then when the installer asks, point it to the external [21:27] well i don't have such a caddy y'see [21:27] the alternative approach would've been to put two disks in a desktop, which i don't feel like doing :> [21:28] no SATA ports free on my deskie [21:28] a nerd that doesn't have one of those top-loading externals?! [21:28] hell to the no [21:29] :( [21:29] but yeah as it happens disk to disk wouldn't have worked anyway due to the silly size thing [21:29] partition to partition only works if they exist on both sides, which is odd [21:29] ook cloned already \o/ [21:31] that were quick [21:35] well, i restored the win7 100MB and 100GB, it failed to boot but my win7 flash drive fixed boot, it chkdsk'd, then all is ok [21:35] so a bit messy but it worked :> [21:35] dd'ing the boot sector and partitions might've been easier, albeit with more unnecessary writes [21:40] https://www.dropbox.com/s/obtivmgxs0nitj2/VID_20150313_213725.mp4?dl=0 [21:41] there's the super noisy unjustified resolution vid ;D === m0nkey_|away is now known as m0nkey_ [21:47] these might be a new addiction - https://www.dropbox.com/s/mmrykai5qihrode/IMG_20150309_192112.jpg?dl=0 [21:48] hm, the wee book that comes with the new pi feels quite meaty, but it turns out there's nothing in it. 130 pages of nothing lol [21:48] blank!? [21:48] nah, "the hdmi cable goes in the hdmi slot" in 16 languages [21:49] I really should find more to do with them though. I have 5 now :/ [21:49] haha [21:50] ugh, yep linecard issue confirmed =| [21:51] 4 packets dropped to telco first hop IP and google UK at the same time [21:52] https://www.dropbox.com/s/2icy3e3tz9469zm/pingpong.png?dl=0 [22:02] so yea [22:02] my date stood me up [22:02] * mapp expected [22:02] =[ [22:03] thought that would happen [22:03] how come? [22:06] well just seemed to want attention and mess me about [22:06] 'oh dont know what im doing bla bla' usua;l excuses [22:06] i expect she's back with her ex [22:08] messy! [22:10] mapp: where in the world are you this evening then? [22:11] itsnotyouitsme, why the pingpong? [22:12] a mate finally found and gave back to me a 320GB USB 2 HDD i gave him a few years ago :D [22:12] syncing up my music collection to it now \o/ [22:13] 320gb... seemed huge back then... my first external usb hd was 500mb [22:13] :) [22:13] I'm busy copying data from a JBOD to a raid-5-ish windows storage space with both arrays being the same set of drives [22:14] zmoylan-pi, my first internal was 20MB [22:14] it was huge [22:14] same here but office had 5 and 10mb full height drives for cpm computers that we used as doorstops [22:15] 10k brand new [22:15] diddledan: partitions for each? 0o [22:15] we had a 20MB HardCard, too, but it was cronky so we split it into two partitions using spinrite to get the bad bits mostly in one of the partitions [22:15] daftykins, nope, exactly the same bits of disc [22:16] oooooh had a hard card too. on a wobbly daughter board as it was too short to reach the supports on front end of case [22:16] what on earth voodoo are you performing there, diddledan O_O [22:16] daftykins, INORITE [22:17] daftykins, it's magic [22:17] daftykins, but it's workibng [22:17] diddledan: you just got jealous of my disk fun, didn't you? [22:17] :-) [22:17] :D [22:17] ok i have a curry to fetch [22:17] I wanna buy some bigger ones [22:17] bbl [22:17] tata [22:17] you're tempting murphy there :p I'd stick with "but it looks like it's working" for now ;) [22:17] ^ lol [22:17] so true [22:18] shauno, always with the irish, you. [22:18] "sod's law" is more difficult to work with. you can't morph it into "tempting sod" [22:24] well this is getting interesting. debuild can't build libsdl2 even before modifications [22:26] eep [22:27] configure's failing without giving a message. thx configure. [22:28] I've yet to figure out how autotools actually work [22:28] protip: they don't [22:31] hm, it seems to be quite upset that 'uname -p' returns 'unknown' [22:32] okay, nope, both my real machines do that too [22:35] found it :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/10593621/ [22:40] doesn't like the stack-protector flag [22:41] yeah. I have no idea where that's coming from though. that string doesn't exist in the source folder [22:41] so autoconf is adding it? [22:48] okay, ugliest fix ever \o/ [22:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10593686/ :D [22:50] (interestingly, that string is in Vendor/Debian.pm but not Vendor/Ubuntu.pm) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:27] okay, I give. I'm gonna start on a plain wheezy and stuff them both in. this is daft.