[00:51] <mapp> what to watch
[00:52] <mapp> eye candy ..sirens or that statham film wild card
[00:52] <mapp> hm
[00:52] <mapp> eye candy sounds iffy..and i expect a statham film will be same old same old?
[01:07] <mapp> hmmm
[01:07] <mapp> noone around again
[01:12] <diddledan> I'm here
[01:13] <diddledan> statham is always fun when you don't want to concentrate
[03:20] <mapp> hey
[03:20] <mapp> yea
[03:20] <mapp> diddledan
[03:20] <mapp> sometimes films where you dont need to concentrate are good;p fall asleep..miss 30mins..doesnt matter
[03:20] <diddledan> ello
[03:21] <ali1234> er... what is steam broadcasting?
[03:21] <diddledan> no idea
[03:21] <ali1234> on my steam profile there's a button that says "watch game"
[03:21] <mapp> the tennis?
[03:21] <mapp> :d
[08:13] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:23] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:26] <DJones> Sheesh, these Fedora chaps have no patience, say "morning" and quit :)
[08:26] <DJones> Morning
[08:34] <popey> heh
[09:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday the 13th, and happy Digital Learning Day! :-D
[09:45] <davmor2> JamesTait: I moved crystal lake next door to you so lock up the doors really tight :D
[09:56] <knightwise> Mornin peeps
[09:59] <knightwise> Im starting to doubt myself. Have a mega expensive macbook. All I love to do all day is use it as a glorified thin client to connect to the apps on my 30 euro Raspberry pi.
[10:00] <foobarry> hehe
[10:04] <knightwise> I love my OSX environment but mostly I just run a Chromixium VM fullscreen so I have access to all the command line apps i like
[10:04] <foobarry> http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/03/12/google-code-will-shut-down-in-january-2016-because-almost-no-one-uses-it-anymore/
[10:04] <foobarry> this is why i don't want to use google keep, and plenty of other google services that die after a short unhappy life
[10:06] <diplo> I honestly think it's a good idea foobarry, actually agree with Google
[10:06] <diplo> Nearly everything I see on Google Code is dead
[10:06] <diplo> Github et all are a much better platform
[10:06] <foobarry> why is it dead
[10:06] <foobarry> because google never fed their pet?
[10:06] <Myrtti> IIRC all Google Services that were inhouse developed (opposed by acquihire projects like Jaiku etc) that have been shut down have all had a method of exporting the data or transferring them elsewhere
[10:06] <diplo> Because people are moving to github
[10:07] <Myrtti> because git > svn
[10:07] <diplo> Defo
[10:07] <foobarry> we can a github enterprise inhouse, its a pain
[10:07] <foobarry> and not very open source friendly product
[10:07] <foobarry> although it hosts OSS code
[10:07] <foobarry> :S
[10:07] <diplo> They could have changed it all over probably, but why bother when there are other prods out there doing a better job
[10:08] <foobarry> they could have made a better prodcut
[10:09] <diplo> But why bother when there are better products on the market that are fre
[10:09] <diplo> https://www.gitorious.org/
[10:09] <diplo> Can run your own
[10:09] <diplo> Can use Github itself or bitbucket et all
[10:10] <diplo> I never liked google code site, I did like the search feature for searching up code though, not sure if that is available
[10:11] <popey> also, launchpad ㋛
[10:12] <diplo> heh, didn't get on so well with launchpad, but that was more me than it being bad :)
[10:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:39] <diddledan> allo
[11:16] <diddledan> I think I want to buy a few big discs
[11:16] <foobarry> just be careful when you type that in to google
[11:17] <diddledan> lol, I almost mistyped when writing it in here
[11:17] <diddledan> because I usually refer to them as the other word when speaking aloud
[11:17] <foobarry> disks?
[11:18] <foobarry> big hard disks?
[11:18] <diddledan> replace the first s with a c
[11:18] <foobarry> you have a dirty mind sir, i was thinking of something competely different
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> and don't be rash with ssds either
[11:18] <diddledan> lol
[11:18] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, nah this is for a raidy-array
[11:19] <zmoylan-pi> tape it is... :-)
[11:20] <zmoylan-pi> 10 tape drives whirring away, whirring, stuttering, whining, driving you bonkers.  and thats before the blinky lights and beeping and booping :-)
[11:20] <diddledan> blinky lights are awesomesauce!
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> those microbits with their 5x5 led grid could be very cool
[11:21] <diddledan> das ist nicht fur gefinger-poken mit de spits-n-sparken
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> thinking of blinky lights as airplane is 35 years old now.
[11:22] <diddledan> :-o
[11:22] <diddledan> love that movie
[11:23] <zmoylan-pi> and don't call me shirley
[11:23] <diddledan> that's an entirely different matter, all together
[11:24] <zmoylan-pi> looked i picked the wrong day to quit smoking
[11:39] <foobarry> is it true about the macbook with no usb ports?
[11:42] <directhex> it has one usb type C port
[11:42] <directhex> which is used for power, as well as accessories
[11:43] <directhex> if you want power *and* accessories at the same time, a) OMG SO GREEDY 2) you need an adapter to provide more ports. apple has an $80 dongle which is USBC->USBC,HDMI,USBA
[11:44] <brobostigon> anyone by chance used opensimilator?
[11:44] <zmoylan-pi> at least this time most people have moved on before they shut it down unlike reader
[11:44] <directhex> brobostigon: not for a long time
[11:44] <zmoylan-pi> whoops wrong channel
[11:45] <brobostigon> directhex: did you ever look at the irc bridge module?
[11:45] <directhex> no
[11:45] <brobostigon> ok,
[11:54] <knightwise> directhex: I agree on the new macbook. The specs are too low, the ports are too few and who ever put in a 480P webcam hasn't been outside for a couple of years.
[11:54] <directhex> knightwise: the new macbook serves a niche. you may not be in that niche
[11:54] <directhex> i certainly wouldn't buy one
[11:55] <zmoylan-pi> when even the new chrome pixel looks better than the new macbook... :-)
[11:55] <directhex> that's also niche, and appeals to me no more than the macbook
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> but it has _2_ ports i think :-)
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> and cheaper
[11:57] <knightwise> I have a macbook (pro). Its a 15 inch powerhouse with a decent processor ,ram and storage. Its a workhorse. The new 12 inch macbook is an overpriced underperforming excuse for a netbook.
[11:57] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: it also has barely any local storage, making it junk
[11:57] <knightwise> im not saying i need an RS332 port to be happy but 1 port is ludicrous.
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> but we all live in the cloud now directhex :-)
[11:58] <directhex> not on a mac we don't, the crummy broadcom wifi barely works in linux
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> that's your punishment for deviating from the true mac os
[12:05] <directhex> macos is a garbage toy
[12:05] <directhex> in my professional opinion, anyway
[12:06] <zmoylan-pi> no arguments here. i liked it when i abandoned windows but it became too constraining so moved on to linux.  seems to be the path of quite a few folk i know
[12:09] <directhex> i use a usb ethernet card for my work macbook, due to broadcom sucking
[12:11] <foobarry> so that pic of the mac pCB is true?
[12:11] <foobarry> tiny pi sized board on the bcp
[12:11] <foobarry> mbp
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> but not the same price :-)
[12:13] <directhex> foobarry: yes. largely due to ports though
[12:14] <directhex> and the intel soc is 14nm process, rpi is a whopping 40nm
[12:14] <directhex> so transistor density is hugely different
[12:15] <foobarry> MBair haven't gone ARM yet?
[12:16] <directhex> not this time around.
[12:16] <directhex> intel can compete with ARM, and also be intel compatible, so maybe they never will
[12:28] <popey> more likely to go the other way - intel ipad
[12:29] <foobarry> :-|
[12:30] <popey> although it works fine for android having both architectures
[13:33] <ujjain> if I want to buy stocks, I should fund a stock isa, right?
[13:36] <diddledan> who here happens to be a financial advisor, perchance?
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> hand me your wallet, i'm the wallet inspector
[13:40] <popey> i handed my wallet to someone on my stag do
[13:41] <popey> ended up with some pain a few weeks later when (new) wifey found a card in there apparently written by "Kim" who had a "Lovely time"
[13:41] <popey> (my mate Steve wrote it)
[14:03] <Azelphur> I'm loving flashblock + youtubes separate audio/video streaming setup...flashblock has blocked the video but the audio is still playing, so I can listen to music without wasting loads of resources :D
[14:41] <Azelphur> aww yis, just got a letter randomly from the council telling me they've moved my property from council tax band D to C :D
[15:09] <NET||abuse> hi folks.
[15:09] <NET||abuse> i've installed mate along side unity, most things in unity are unaffected, accept, my notifications are suddenly in mate style,,
[15:22] <NET||abuse> an gtk style pop up
[15:22] <NET||abuse> looks pretty bad.
[16:27] <daftykins> afty all
[16:28] <directhex> I HUNGER
[16:28] <directhex> FEED ME, DAFTY
[16:31] <daftykins> uuuh, sorry my cupboards are bare and it's raining :(
[17:21] <davmor2> daftykins: feed him the cupboards
[17:22] <daftykins> let him eat cupboard!
[17:24] <diddledan> FEED ME TOOH!
[17:24] <diddledan> I HUNGY
[17:24] <diddledan> ME EEET
[17:25] <diddledan> seriously, this network appears to be completely dead today - since I last looked at IRC there's been 6 lines in here and zero in ALL the channels I'm in besides
[17:26] <diddledan> lots of joining and farting though
[17:26] <diddledan> s/f/p
[17:26] <ali1234> lovely
[17:27] <diddledan> the fart was because I was talking about brainfarts in company's slack chat
[17:32] <daftykins> i was out in the real world today
[17:33] <daftykins> got heavily rained on, on the ride home too :D
[17:34] <shauno> the real world was sunny here!  not warm, just sunny
[17:35] <daftykins> wowzer
[17:39] <shauno> off work until the 21st now.  not actually sure what to do with all the time
[17:41] <daftykins> finish your hifi pi!
[17:41] <shauno> don't be silly.  I don't finish anything I start :)
[17:42] <daftykins> :D
[17:43] <shauno> was actually just looking at that oled display I got.  it arrived today, and ... well it was bigger in my head  (sh'up dan)
[17:46] <daftykins> ;]
[17:46] <daftykins> heh, this mates Windows laptop i had to decrapify was missing a screw beside a hinge, so it was being pried apart when flipped open
[17:47] <daftykins> none of my spare screws fit, so i just took one from where it was far less needed :P
[17:48] <shauno> (other than that, said project is currently making loud noises :)
[17:49] <daftykins> ooh very good
[19:16] <shauno> hah, took a guess at how to resize the filesystem and it seems to have worked.  phew!
[19:16] <daftykins> XD
[19:16] <daftykins> i don't fancy attacking one of my desktops to clone a laptop HDD to an SSD, so i'm trying clonezilla's disk to image right now
[19:17] <shauno> that's something I've never toyed with
[19:19] <daftykins> aside from clonezilla freaking out that it detected GPT remnants on the MBR installed disk, it's gone swimmingly from internal disk to a USB3 external i have
[19:19] <daftykins> now doing the drive transplant and then i shall restore to this SSD
[19:19] <daftykins> very easy :)
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed
[19:28] <daftykins> excellent, SSD transplanted and now backing that one up to my external first
[19:29] <daftykins> so that's yet another 500GB mechanical laptop HDD i've got knocking around here doing nothing ^_^
[19:30] <daftykins> oh dear ISP of mine, not back to giving me a faulty line card are we? tut tut
[19:30] <shauno> you say that like it's a good thing?
[19:31] <daftykins> the HDD thing?
[19:32] <shauno> yeah
[19:32] <daftykins> yeah 'tis quite wasteful really
[19:33] <shauno> I've started transplanting old ssd's into external caddies.  now that feels like a waste
[19:33] <zmoylan-pi> all those non spinning disks not helping stabilise the earth as gyroscopes...
[19:34] <daftykins> right, got my usual 3 infinite pings running again
[19:34] <daftykins> lets see if it was just a freak coincidence or whether my connection really is wonky again ;)
[19:34] <zmoylan-pi> the ping of let's see :-)
[19:34] <daftykins> one from a PC to the router, one to the first hop on the ISP side and one to Google UK
[19:35] <daftykins> i had this before where a wonky linecard was periodically dropping all packets for a couple of seconds
[19:35] <daftykins> took a few calls to get them to do something about that one ;)
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> intermittent problems are the most... fun
[19:35] <shauno> hm, that reminds me of the time I was terribly rude to my isp's tech support.  I ended up just sitting and reading each ping time until they found me someone else to talk to
[19:35] <daftykins> lmao
[19:35] <shauno> "12 .. 20 ........ 3000."
[19:36] <zmoylan-pi> the speaking ping....
[19:36] <shauno> hm, I think there's fable somewhere of someone piping ping into festival and then walking around wiggling cables while it chattered to itself
[19:37] <zmoylan-pi> we had a bugs bunny line that we had them come out over a dozen times and it was still unrepaired.  if you rang the number it wouldn't ring, if you rang out on it then incoming calls would come in for a day or so.  not good for a fax line
[19:37] <daftykins> wow, my wired connection between PC and router is occasionally spiking to 5, 7 or 11ms instead of <1
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like a network card or cable, maybe
[19:39] <daftykins> i am saturating my upload at the moment, i wonder if my ISP supplied router is too pants to handle that ;D
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> try pinging another device on your network at same time
[19:40] <daftykins> that's a good idea
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> occasionly i do have good ones :-)
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> very occasionly i have a doozy :-D
[19:40] <daftykins> oh i wouldn't dream of doubting you, sir!
[19:41] <daftykins> ooh yes, shows up going from file server to my desktop too
[19:41] <daftykins> intel PCI-E 1x NIC
[19:41] <daftykins> ah well, not like it's the end of the world
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> unless you're playing games over lan :-)
[19:42] <daftykins> not me!
[19:59] <daftykins> cor, i've been asked to look at plotters
[19:59] <daftykins> http://www.ebuyer.com/406412-hp-designjet-t120-24-eprinter-cq891a-b19
[19:59] <daftykins> £708 O_O
[20:00] <zmoylan-pi> you'd be better off getting someone off dole cheap on government scheme and a sharpie marker :-)
[20:02] <daftykins> :D
[20:03] <daftykins> lego mindstorms kit!
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> or infinite monkies and a sharpie... but who has the space :-)
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> a radio controlled car guided by pc...
[20:04] <zmoylan-pi> think of the fun you can have during work hours 'configuring' it
[20:07] <daftykins> XD
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> and the second car is for calibration...
[20:11] <daftykins> ooh i am bad, tempted by takeaway yet again
[20:11] <diddledan> daftykins, what you uploading that's saturising your link?
[20:12] <daftykins> this and that (:
[20:13] <shauno> I'm so confused.  I can't install libsdl2 because it's trying to overwrite a file that also exists in libsdl2
[20:13] <diddledan> shauno, maybe someone packaged something else wonkily?
[20:13] <daftykins> same package twice?
[20:14] <shauno> I'm honestly not sure.  it's a cluser .. potato
[20:14] <shauno> *cluster
[20:14] <diddledan> cluster potato?
[20:14] <diddledan> I know you're trying to be irish, but .. clustered spud?
[20:15] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gXge6td1jfM
[20:16] <shauno> ah, okay.  something is trying to use libsdl2, and something else is trying to use libsdl2-2.0-0
[20:16] <shauno> one provides 2.0.2, and one provides 2.0.3
[20:16] <diddledan> err
[20:17] <shauno> so I'll go make coffee while it tries apt-get update, see if maybe I just caught the mirror with its pants down
[20:19] <diddledan> do mirrors wear pants?
[20:20] <daftykins> best not to ask such things
[20:20] <shauno> there are some things you're simply better off not knowing
[20:25] <diddledan> I suppose the question should be raised at some point: do you do your danglies up?
[20:26] <shauno> I may require your mother's email address.
[20:26] <diddledan> she doesn't have email
[20:27] <diddledan> well she does. she just doesn't know how to work it
[20:27] <diddledan> she probably isn't even aware it exists
[20:28] <shauno> hm.  how else am I going to tell on you?
[20:29] <shauno> okay, I have no idea what I've done, but both soundcards appear in alsa now
[20:29] <shauno> well, I know what I've been doing, but I know I couldn't repeat it again  lol
[20:37] <diddledan> shauno, what you working on?
[20:38] <shauno> trying to install retropie on debian.  without breaking all the mess that volumio have made
[20:39] <shauno> (well, I have to mess some of it up later, because they seem to have broken wifi & ipv6)
[20:40] <shauno> this seems to be the downside of these pre-canned images.  they take it as license to do everything the most clumsy way they can
[20:40] <shauno> so trying to munge together two of them involves a lot of running around and asking people to please keep off the grass
[20:45] <diddledan> why are they shipping different versions of libraries? are they not on the same base raspbian?
[20:52] <shauno> if I knew the answer to that, I'd probably be half way there :)
[21:01] <shauno> still not happy about sdl.  bah
[21:02] <shauno> just brought up my working copy on another pi - seems retropie is using wheezy and volumio is using jessie
[21:03] <shauno> but they are both raspbian at least
[21:03] <diddledan> which one is newer?
[21:03] <diddledan> wheezy?
[21:04] <shauno> jessie is 8.x and wheezy is 7.x .. I think
[21:05] <diddledan> it was simpler when there was "stable" whatever it happened to be and "lenny" was the "in the distance" release
[21:05] <diddledan> I always assumed lenny was a pseudo-static release name for the dev version no matter what releases had happened
[21:05] <shauno> lol, nope
[21:06] <shauno> sid's the static one
[21:06] <shauno> lenny is oldstable, wheezy is stable, jessie is testing, sid is unstable
[21:06] <diddledan> so volumio shouldn't have based on jessie then - seeing as that version is testing :-p
[21:07] <shauno> most likely :)
[21:07] <shauno> I'm getting really tempted to just start with raspbian and try to build them both up from scratch.  rather than trying to install on onto the other's canned image
[21:07] <diddledan> of course the naive side of me says "just apt-get source and build it yourself"
[21:08] <diddledan> heh, jinx
[21:08] <shauno> I believe volumio has a bunch of latency-obsessed kernel patches
[21:08] <shauno> other than that, it's just mpd and some messed up webapp
[21:09] <daftykins> hrmm ok, slight roadblock there. my image is from a 500GB disk with a 100MB partition and a 100GB partition... but clonezilla won't restore it to a 180GB SSD
[21:09] <diddledan> daftykins, eh?
[21:09] <diddledan> daftykins, that doesn't make sense
[21:09] <diddledan> daftykins, do it with gparted
[21:09] <daftykins> bit weird isn't it
[21:09] <diddledan> or dd
[21:10] <daftykins> hmm might work
[21:10] <intrbiz> daftykins: what filesystem?
[21:10] <shauno> hah, I've just noticed what's breaking.  the installer script for retropie is downloading specific versions of packages
[21:11] <diddledan> recreate the partition table on the new disk (maybe give a bit of space in-hand for each partition for expansion) and then dd the partitions across followed by a resizefs
[21:11] <shauno> I kinda assumed they weren't linux partitions ;)
[21:11] <daftykins> intrbiz: it's a win7 install, so NTFS
[21:11] <diddledan> ntfsresize then
[21:12] <diddledan> or is it resizentfs?
[21:12] <diddledan> one or the other
[21:12] <daftykins> no no, 100MB + 100GB fits into 180GB fine :D but for some reason clonezilla goes "these came from a 500GB! i can't do this!"
[21:12] <daftykins> turns out clonezilla's "img" is actually a folder with a tonne of separate files too, not just a single file to dd
[21:12] <intrbiz> daftykins: when you say a 100GB partition, do you actually mean there is 400GB unpartitioned space on the disk?
[21:12] <daftykins> yes
[21:12] <shauno> daftykins: the latter is probably a good thing.  hoisting around whole 100GB files really limits what filesystems you can use
[21:13] <daftykins> i did that intentionally so it could fit
[21:13] <diddledan> daftykins, no, I mean with the resize fs step to ensure that a rounding error doesn't cause your filesystem to spew off the end of the partition into mid-air
[21:13] <intrbiz> daftykins: ah ok, then I'd just DD each partition to the new disk
[21:13] <daftykins> yeah clonezilla seems to have stored the source partitions in split files >_<
[21:13] <shauno> back in my day we'd just pipe tar into tar :(
[21:14] <daftykins> in fact that's because it's imaged the data only
[21:14] <daftykins> if i partition manually on the disk i might be able to tell clonezilla to do each partition to partition :>
[21:14] <diddledan> shauno, tar Jc /dir | tar Jx /target?
[21:15] <diddledan> (I chose J on purpose to see who would spot the evilness of that)
[21:15] <diddledan> hint. xzip
[21:15] <intrbiz> shauno: surely that would do a file level copy, rather than a raw byte by byte copy which dd does
[21:16] <diddledan> intrbiz, with linux systems a file-level copy is sufficient
[21:16] <intrbiz> diddledan: not in all situations
[21:16] <diddledan> the only bit you'd need to dd is the mbr
[21:16] <diddledan> but grub-install can bypass that
[21:17] <intrbiz> diddledan: there are times where you want a byte by byte clone of the disk
[21:17] <diddledan> I'm a pervert - got choccy-fudge cake! \o/
[21:18] <daftykins> diddledan: :O
[21:18] <daftykins> i haven't even done food yet
[21:18] <shauno> lol, nah, no compression.  just tar cf --one-file-system - | (cd /somewhere/else; tar xvpf -)
[21:18] <intrbiz> diddledan: plus you'd need to ensure tar copies things like extended attributes and capabilities
[21:19] <shauno> (or throw ssh in the middle to be evil)
[21:20] <intrbiz> shauno: or netcat
[21:21] <diddledan> ssh localhost tar Jcf --one-file-system - | ssh localhost tar Jxf - -C /somewhere/else
[21:21] <diddledan> :-p
[21:22] <diddledan> mess with all the things
[21:22] <diddledan> !
[21:24] <shauno> okay, it seems I need to build my own sdl
[21:24] <diddledan> \o/
[21:25] <daftykins> ok i think i won, i used the windows installer to create the same partitions then booted back into clonezilla to restore image partition -> actual partition
[21:25] <daftykins> seems to be working O_.
[21:26] <shauno> does windows not have a built-in widget to do this?  lol
[21:26] <daftykins> do what?
[21:26] <shauno> migrate drives
[21:26] <daftykins> not that i know of ^_^
[21:27] <daftykins> i like clonezilla though, just didn't realise it would be so protective it wouldn't let you restore an image onto a smaller disk if the sum of the partitions are < the new disk
[21:27] <shauno> eg, on my mac I'd just take the old drive out, put a new drive in, stick the old drive in an external caddy, and then when the installer asks, point it to the external
[21:27] <daftykins> well i don't have such a caddy y'see
[21:27] <daftykins> the alternative approach would've been to put two disks in a desktop, which i don't feel like doing :>
[21:28] <daftykins> no SATA ports free on my deskie
[21:28] <shauno> a nerd that doesn't have one of those top-loading externals?!
[21:28] <daftykins> hell to the no
[21:29] <shauno> :(
[21:29] <daftykins> but yeah as it happens disk to disk wouldn't have worked anyway due to the silly size thing
[21:29] <daftykins> partition to partition only works if they exist on both sides, which is odd
[21:29] <daftykins> ook cloned already \o/
[21:31] <diddledan> that were quick
[21:35] <daftykins> well, i restored the win7 100MB and 100GB, it failed to boot but my win7 flash drive fixed boot, it chkdsk'd, then all is ok
[21:35] <daftykins> so a bit messy but it worked :>
[21:35] <daftykins> dd'ing the boot sector and partitions might've been easier, albeit with more unnecessary writes
[21:40] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/obtivmgxs0nitj2/VID_20150313_213725.mp4?dl=0
[21:41] <daftykins> there's the super noisy unjustified resolution vid ;D
[21:47] <daftykins> these might be a new addiction - https://www.dropbox.com/s/mmrykai5qihrode/IMG_20150309_192112.jpg?dl=0
[21:48] <shauno> hm, the wee book that comes with the new pi feels quite meaty, but it turns out there's nothing in it.  130 pages of nothing  lol
[21:48] <daftykins> blank!?
[21:48] <shauno> nah, "the hdmi cable goes in the hdmi slot" in 16 languages
[21:49] <shauno> I really should find more to do with them though.  I have 5 now :/
[21:49] <daftykins> haha
[21:50] <daftykins> ugh, yep linecard issue confirmed =|
[21:51] <daftykins> 4 packets dropped to telco first hop IP and google UK at the same time
[21:52] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2icy3e3tz9469zm/pingpong.png?dl=0
[22:02] <mapp> so yea
[22:02] <mapp> my date stood me up
[22:02]  * mapp expected
[22:02] <daftykins> =[
[22:03] <mapp> thought that would happen
[22:03] <daftykins> how come?
[22:06] <mapp> well just seemed to want attention and mess me about
[22:06] <mapp> 'oh dont know what im doing bla bla' usua;l excuses
[22:06] <mapp> i expect she's back with her ex
[22:08] <daftykins> messy!
[22:10] <daftykins> mapp: where in the world are you this evening then?
[22:11] <diddledan> itsnotyouitsme, why the pingpong?
[22:12] <daftykins> a mate finally found and gave back to me a 320GB USB 2 HDD i gave him a few years ago :D
[22:12] <daftykins> syncing up my music collection to it now \o/
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> 320gb... seemed huge back then... my first external usb hd was 500mb
[22:13] <daftykins> :)
[22:13] <diddledan> I'm busy copying data from a JBOD to a raid-5-ish windows storage space with both arrays being the same set of drives
[22:14] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, my first internal was 20MB
[22:14] <diddledan> it was huge
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> same here but office had 5 and 10mb full height drives for cpm computers that we used as doorstops
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> 10k brand new
[22:15] <daftykins> diddledan: partitions for each? 0o
[22:15] <diddledan> we had a 20MB HardCard, too, but it was cronky so we split it into two partitions using spinrite to get the bad bits mostly in one of the partitions
[22:15] <diddledan> daftykins, nope, exactly the same bits of disc
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> oooooh had a hard card too. on a wobbly daughter board as it was too short to reach the supports on front end of case
[22:16] <daftykins> what on earth voodoo are you performing there, diddledan O_O
[22:16] <diddledan> daftykins, INORITE
[22:17] <diddledan> daftykins, it's magic
[22:17] <diddledan> daftykins, but it's workibng
[22:17] <daftykins> diddledan: you just got jealous of my disk fun, didn't you?
[22:17] <diddledan> :-)
[22:17] <daftykins> :D
[22:17] <daftykins> ok i have a curry to fetch
[22:17] <diddledan> I wanna buy some bigger ones
[22:17] <daftykins> bbl
[22:17] <diddledan> tata
[22:17] <shauno> you're tempting murphy there :p  I'd stick with "but it looks like it's working" for now ;)
[22:17] <daftykins> ^ lol
[22:17] <daftykins> so true
[22:18] <diddledan> shauno, always with the irish, you.
[22:18] <shauno> "sod's law" is more difficult to work with.  you can't morph it into "tempting sod"
[22:24] <shauno> well this is getting interesting.  debuild can't build libsdl2 even before modifications
[22:26] <diddledan> eep
[22:27] <shauno> configure's failing without giving a message.  thx configure.
[22:28] <diddledan> I've yet to figure out how autotools actually work
[22:28] <shauno> protip: they don't
[22:31] <shauno> hm, it seems to be quite upset that 'uname -p' returns 'unknown'
[22:32] <shauno> okay, nope, both my real machines do that too
[22:35] <shauno> found it :)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/10593621/
[22:40] <diddledan> doesn't like the stack-protector flag
[22:41] <shauno> yeah.  I have no idea where that's coming from though.  that string doesn't exist in the source folder
[22:41] <shauno> so autoconf is adding it?
[22:48] <shauno> okay, ugliest fix ever \o/
[22:49] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10593686/  :D
[22:50] <shauno> (interestingly, that string is in Vendor/Debian.pm but not Vendor/Ubuntu.pm)
[23:27] <shauno> okay, I give.  I'm gonna start on a plain wheezy and stuff them both in.  this is daft.