[00:00] <kereltis> I sent an introductory mail to the mailing list
[02:05] <sgclark> blah, wxl do you moderate our maillist?
[02:08] <sgclark> nm
[03:43] <wxl> sgclark: why, you want to help moderate? :)
[03:43] <sgclark> lol sure :)
[03:44] <sgclark> I need to remember which email I used though :(
[03:44] <sgclark> I keep getting awaiting moderation
[03:44] <wxl> okie hold on
[03:44] <sgclark> I am me! I sear it!
[03:44] <sgclark> swear*
[03:45] <wxl> i thought i added that one email to the accept list
[03:45] <sgclark> should be either sgclark@kubuntu.org or scarlett@scarlettgatelyclark.com
[03:46] <sgclark> I had to switch to thunderbird, kmail failed me :(
[03:46] <wxl> bummer
[03:46] <sgclark> hopefully their new work on akonadi will fix things in the future
[03:46] <wxl> tho i use thunderbird at work too
[03:46] <wxl> and recommend it in general
[03:47] <sgclark> but for now, I do like thunderbird anyway, so no biggie
[03:47] <sgclark> yeah just I wrote like 75 of the documentation for kmail lol
[03:48] <wxl> hahahah
[03:48] <sgclark> 75%.. sheesh darn keyboard!
[03:48] <wxl> you need a mechancial
[03:50]  * sgclark grumbles at the piece of code that is not behaving
[03:50] <sgclark> have I mentioned I am not a big fan of Windows lol
[03:56] <wxl> sgclark: use thunderbird identities to make it appear you're sending from sgclark@kubuntu.org even though you're actually using imap/pop3 and smmtp via some other email
[03:56] <wxl> i.e. set up the tbird account as the one kubuntu.org forwards to, but then edit its identity
[03:56] <sgclark> wxl: that was it :) thanks!
[03:56] <wxl> ask me if you need further help with thunderbird. i've been using it for a looooooooooooooong time
[03:57] <sgclark> well let me test, inc mail to group!
[03:57] <wxl> yay
[03:59] <sgclark> cool so far it got past my locked up smtp server lol
[03:59] <wxl> hehehe
[04:06] <sgclark> cool all working :) thanks!
[04:06] <wxl> np!
[04:07] <wxl> fwiw i use thunderbird-trunk on a production machine
[04:07] <wxl> living dangerously, i know!
[04:08] <sgclark> lol yes I live on the edge day to day
[04:09] <wxl> i also use the development versions of firefox and chrome
[04:09] <wxl> but i like my LTS kubuntu ☺
[04:12] <sgclark> :)
[04:33] <kereltis> I'm always pulled between Ubuntu and Kubuntu, I really like both.
[04:33] <wxl> hey again che :)
[04:33] <wxl> i'm a lubuntu guy most times
[04:33] <wxl> otherwise, i'm all about kubuntu
[04:34] <wxl> though xubuntu has grown up quite a bit
[04:34] <wxl> ubuntu's nice on a phone :)
[04:38] <sgclark> hiyas :)
[04:39] <sgclark> well I have a special love for kubuntu lol
[04:39] <sgclark> <-- kubuntu developer
[04:40] <kereltis> I'm loving the look of KDE 5
[04:41] <sgclark> yep, me too :)
[04:41] <sgclark> lots of work it is giving me though lol
[04:42] <sgclark> love seeing the improvements though as stuff rolls out, great fun
[04:44] <sgclark> but I am done fighting with code for the evening and need to veg out at the tube. See you all tomorrow :)
[04:44] <kereltis> One of the things I love about using Linux is watching the evolution of the software, it's pretty incredible to watch a desktop evolve and change. :-)
[04:44] <kereltis> Have a good night
[04:44] <sgclark> oh yes
[04:44] <sgclark> agreed
[15:45] <sgclark> wxl: how do we handle spam that actually gets through. If there is even a way..
[16:26] <wxl> sgclark: oh did you see some?
[16:26] <sgclark> wxl: yeah with a doc attachment.. :(
[16:26] <sgclark> thankfully I know better than to open attachments lol
[16:27] <wxl> oh noes
[16:27] <wxl> why didn't i get it?
[16:27] <wxl> maybe gmail filtered it out
[16:28] <sgclark> maybe, I am still training my new email server, so I still see lots of spam :(
[16:28] <wxl> i don'
[16:28] <wxl> t see any spam
[16:28] <wxl> is this recent?
[16:28] <sgclark> hmm, don't they have to be a member to post?
[16:28] <wxl> they do
[16:29] <wxl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-or/2015-March/date.html
[16:31] <sgclark> ok well that is bazaar, I have one . maybe because I am moderator? and it did not actually get to list? I am so confused lol
[16:31] <wxl> um want to forward to me?
[16:32] <wxl> and nice freudian slip there wiht the bazaar ☺
[16:32] <sgclark> k
[16:32] <sgclark> hehe
[16:33] <sgclark> sent, afk a few
[16:37] <wxl> sgclark: yeah my gmail filtered it out
[16:37] <wxl> it didn't get to the list tho
[16:38] <wxl> it seems to be directed directly to ubuntu-us-or-owner@lists.ubuntu.com
[16:38] <wxl> …which i'm not sure why you're getting as a mod, but oh well
[16:42] <sgclark> no worries
[16:43] <sgclark> was just afraid it got to list, but it didn't so I am happy
[16:43] <wxl> yeah just check the archives if you're worried about that sort of thing
[16:43] <sgclark> k
[16:43] <wxl> mailman generates two emails: listname-owner and listname-bounces that you'll hear from a bit
[16:44] <wxl> as long as it doesn't go to listname, you're good to go :)
[16:44] <sgclark> k
[16:44] <sgclark> :)
[16:45] <wxl> you'll also get notifications of subscriptions and unsubscriptions
[16:45] <wxl> basically i ignore everything that's not an actual call for moderation
[16:45] <sgclark> yeah seen a few of those
[16:45] <sgclark> k
[16:47] <wxl> bah haven't heard back from the hotel yet
[16:47] <wxl> that's not good
[16:48] <sgclark> :(
[18:02] <wxl> no starch books on sale for pi day
[19:00] <wxl> hi wulfie
[20:44] <kereltis> Interesting, on one of our machines we have Ubuntu 14.04.2 (3.16 Kernel) with an AMD Radeon HD 6870 graphics card using the open source gallium driver. The majority of games run great, even better than the proprietary driver.
[20:48] <kereltis> However, we got a copy of Dying Light on Steam, it loads with a black screen and then crashes to desktop. So I dropped their support a note including a sysinfo file and error logs. This morning they got back to me telling me my problem is I don't have any graphic card drivers. Really? I can launch every other game including Skyrim in wine with the HD graphics pack but I don't have any graphics drivers?
[20:50] <wxl> that's weird
[20:50] <wxl> maybe they need some better support
[20:50] <wxl> but speaking of graphics, both radeon and nvidia are top contributors to the kernel
[20:51] <wxl> i wonder if they're just providing access for their proprietary drivers
[20:51] <kereltis> Yeah, the Radeon HD 6870 runs great with the gallium driver
[20:51] <wxl> but if they're contributing open source drivers, i wonder what the value in the proprietary ones even are
[20:58] <kereltis> That's the big discussion in Linux gaming right now. AMD are in trouble, they can't match Intel with CPUs, they do however produce very good graphics cards and with SteamOS around the corner it would make a lot of sense for them to work a lot more with the open source community. Their proprietary drivers are not the best and in a lot of ways the gallium drivers beat them, with a little more cooperation from AMD they could beat the
[20:58] <kereltis>  Nvidia drivers.