[04:59] <Kilos> morning all
[05:48] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[05:48] <barrydk> More almal
[05:49] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[05:50] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[06:08] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[06:08] <Padroni> hi
[06:08] <Padroni> how are you?
[06:08] <Kilos> im good ty and you?
[06:09] <Padroni> I'm good
[06:09] <Padroni> 24 hours and my next batch of beer is ready for tasting.
[06:09] <Kilos> lol
[06:10] <Kilos> do you save lots making your own
[06:10] <Kilos> or do you just drink more
[06:15] <Padroni> well I guess you summed it up?
[06:15] <Padroni> lol
[06:15] <Padroni> supposed to save more
[06:16] <Kilos> lol
[06:25] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:25] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[06:25] <Padroni> hi mazal
[06:53] <Symmetria> morning
[06:53]  * Symmetria is depressed over terry pratchett :(
[06:54] <Padroni> yeah that's bad
[06:54] <Padroni> So long, and thank you for the stories :(
[06:55] <Symmetria> used to talk to him on efnet a fair bit when he still came on
[06:55] <Symmetria> he spent a lot of time on irc
[06:55] <Padroni> you spoke to him? 
[06:55] <Padroni> damn son
[06:56] <Symmetria> yeah, he used to hang out on efnet a fair bit, was friends with a couple of the old school admins 
[06:56] <Padroni> I saw Kanye West claims he wants to be the next Nelson Mandela...
[06:56] <Symmetria> myself, darthmaul, brett and thembones 
[06:56] <Symmetria> all used to chat to pratchett
[06:57] <Padroni> 'The next Nelson Mandela.'
[06:57] <Symmetria> Kayne West is an idiot
[06:57] <Padroni> Dear Kanye.  Your wife is a pornstar and your kid is a compass.  Take a seat, son.
[06:58] <Symmetria> dude the better one was charlie sheen
[06:58] <Symmetria> announcing he is gonna run for president
[06:58] <Padroni> that could kinda work...
[06:58] <Symmetria> and wants his dad to be his vice president, except, his dad told him to stfu and stick to acting
[06:59] <Symmetria> yeah you can have a drunk cokehead with the ability to launch nukes, no thanks ;p
[06:59] <Padroni> just
[06:59] <Padroni> wrong
[07:02] <inetpro> hood mornings
[07:02] <Kilos> lol
[07:02] <Kilos> put glasses on inetpro  
[07:02] <Kilos> morning to you
[07:03] <Padroni> hi inetpro
[07:03] <inetpro> eh Kilos, is is not funny hat friday?
[07:03] <Kilos> i dunno
[07:04] <inetpro> lol
[07:04] <inetpro> Padroni: hi
[07:08] <inetpro> sorry Kilos, that was an honest mistake as well, I'll rephrase 
[07:08] <inetpro> good mornings to all and sundry!
[07:08] <Kilos> lol i thought so
[07:08] <Kilos> type too fast when half asleep still
[07:09] <inetpro> ai!
[07:09]  * mazal bekyk dinge
[07:10] <Kilos> en wat sien jy mazal  
[07:10] <mazal> Kilos: No comment :P
[07:10] <mazal> Having Monday on Friday again :(
[07:10] <Kilos> jy moet my pro groet man
[07:11] <mazal> Morning Kilos se pro :)
[07:11] <Kilos> haha
[07:11] <mazal> Morning maaz
[07:11] <mazal> maaz I hope you brought food today
[07:11] <Maaz> mazal: Huh?
[07:13] <mazal> maaz want to go to couples counceling that we can work on our communication ?
[07:13] <Maaz> mazal: If you say so
[07:13] <mazal> lol
[07:14] <Kilos> Maaz  what's for lunch
[07:14] <Maaz> Kilos: Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first.
[07:14] <Kilos> ai!
[07:14] <mazal> Oe I like that !
[07:15] <Kilos> Maaz  what's for lunch
[07:15] <Maaz> Kilos: How about some sushi?
[07:15] <Kilos> Maaz  what's for lunch
[07:15] <Maaz> Kilos: Go get Chippies, your friends will love you
[07:15] <Kilos> sjoe how many has he got stuck in there
[07:15] <Kilos> Maaz  what's for lunch
[07:15] <Maaz> Kilos: Coffee should be enough...
[07:15] <mazal> Everything except burgers
[07:16] <Kilos> Maaz  what's for lunch
[07:16] <Maaz> Kilos: How about some soup?
[07:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:22] <Kilos> i wanna be one of these but the pro has jumped in first
[07:22] <Kilos> benevolent dictator
[07:24] <inetpro> ai!
[07:24] <inetpro> hullo mazal
[07:30] <Kilos> oh my
[07:30] <Kilos> shouldnt this be is not are
[07:31] <Kilos> Sometimes all the data are not available, or consensus is elusive. A decision must still be made.
[07:34] <Kilos> oh ya inetpro  you got some work again
[07:35] <Kilos> i have a map of africa to got in the place of the za flag for africa
[07:35] <Kilos> to go
[07:35] <Kilos> ill break things if i do it
[07:43] <mazal> You two are confusing me a lot this morning
[07:44] <Kilos> lol
[07:44] <mazal> Speaking in tongues I don't understand
[07:44] <Kilos> thats because you game too much and dont follow the trend
[07:44] <mazal> Issie , I work too much
[07:44] <Kilos> i have a massive job thats way beyond me
[07:45] <Kilos> so the clever peeps help when i nag enough
[07:46] <Kilos> mazal  werent you supposed to learn about bzr and nikola?
[07:46] <Kilos> bzr at least
[07:47] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[07:49] <mazal> Kilos: nope
[07:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:50] <mazal> Never my plan that , I can't code
[07:50] <Kilos> nor can i 
[07:52] <mazal> BTW , what is wordpress ?
[07:53] <Kilos> but it is really worth looking at
[07:53] <Padroni> It's ablogging platform
[07:53] <Padroni> but you can use it to create website too
[07:53] <Kilos> a blog place i think
[07:53] <Padroni> no
[07:53] <mazal> ah
[07:53] <Padroni> you get wordpress.com
[07:53] <Padroni> which is a online blog website
[07:53] <Padroni> and you get wordpress.org
[07:53] <Padroni> where you can download the script for use on either localhost via Wamp / Mamp or on your domain
[07:54] <Padroni> about 20-25% of all sites are based on Wordpress
[07:54] <Padroni> and that is A LOT of sites
[07:55] <Padroni> The good thing of Wordpress is anyone can make a site - no coding experience needed.
[07:55] <Padroni> The bad thing of Wordpress is anyone can make a site - no coding experience needed.
[07:55] <Kilos> ai!
[07:55] <mazal> Kilos: My opinion on tools , and I know I am going to get hammered by the pro's now , it's not the 80's anymore. Standard users such as myself want GUI tools to do the job. We don't have the skill to code
[07:55] <Kilos> i gave up with wordpress
[07:56] <mazal> nor the time
[07:56] <Kilos> lol
[07:56] <Padroni> I have no issue with GUI
[07:56] <Padroni> I can code a site in Notepad if needed
[07:56] <Padroni> But I prefer Dreamweaver 
[07:56] <mazal> And too be honest that is one thing holding linux back
[07:56] <Padroni> no Dreamweaver?
[07:57] <mazal> Padroni: The lack of proper gui tools for some tasks
[07:57] <mazal> It frustrates the normal user
[07:57] <Padroni> I agree
[07:57] <Padroni> but it kinda makes linux more exclusive?
[07:57] <Padroni> 1/2 of what attracts me to linux is the terminal
[07:58] <mazal> Yeah , but remember I am talking about the normal average user who never even seen DOS
[07:59] <mazal> If linux want to gain ground in the average user base , it needs to look more and user friendly interfaces. Don't get me wrong , it has come a LONG way. But it ain't there yet
[08:00] <Kilos> thats why we are here
[08:00] <Kilos> to help those that dont understand
[08:01] <Padroni> I want to get my kids on to Ubuntu
[08:01] <Padroni> while they are young
[08:01] <Kilos> good
[08:01] <Kilos> the pro and fly have done that too
[08:01] <Padroni> I need to get them interested in programming first
[08:02] <Padroni> I want them each to know at least one language by the time they leave school
[08:02] <Padroni> but how?
[08:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:02] <Padroni> how to you get them into it?
[08:02] <Kilos> carefully
[08:02] <Padroni> If I had my way, they would be taking Python lessons by now
[08:02] <mazal> I should have done that when I had the chance. Today I pitty that I didn't
[08:03] <mazal> Study programming I mean
[08:03] <Kilos> haha mazal  you okes always tell me its never too late to learn
[08:03] <mazal> Fr me it is Kilos: I am so sick and tired of pc's I don't even want to be around one anymore
[08:04] <mazal> I don't even want to learn anything new anymore
[08:04] <Kilos> oh my
[08:04] <mazal> The frustration is beyond words
[08:05] <mazal> Padroni: Do they like gaming ?
[08:05] <mazal> Your kids
[08:05] <Padroni> yes
[08:05] <Padroni> they play these 'dress up' games they find on the net
[08:05] <mazal> How about trying to get them into writing mods
[08:05] <Padroni> (they are two girls, 8 & 10 years old)
[08:05] <mazal> Start with something fun related like that , maybe they see hey this is cool
[08:05] <Padroni> I used to take away their laptops as punishment when they needed punish
[08:06] <Padroni> they just go to their room and Youtube from their damn phones
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <Padroni> which defeats the object
[08:06] <Padroni> So I stopped taking away devices
[08:06] <Padroni> I take away the chargers instead
[08:06] <Padroni> and watch them manage that battery life for a couple of days...
[08:06] <mazal> Take away the phone charger and see how they slowly watch in ago as the cellphone dies
[08:06] <Padroni> #sadistic
[08:06] <mazal> snap !!!
[08:07] <Padroni> hehe
[08:07] <Padroni> Parenting: who says it has to be hard...
[08:18] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[08:35] <Mopkop> Hello...
[08:35] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  
[08:36] <Kilos> you well lad?
[08:37] <Mopkop> Yes, thank you! Installed steam yesterday, it works well. And you? 
[08:37] <Kilos> im good ty
[09:11] <Kilos> magellanic  cremora
[09:11] <magellanic> Maaz: coffee!
[09:11] <Maaz> magellanic: coffee is liquid code
[09:11] <magellanic> Maaz: make coffee for Kilos 
[09:11] <Maaz> magellanic: Huh?
[09:11] <Kilos> lol
[09:12] <Kilos> cremora minora is a greeting
[09:12] <Kilos> but i will say hi magellanic   too
[09:12] <magellanic> oh!
[09:12] <magellanic> hehe
[09:12] <magellanic> hi
[09:13] <Kilos> its afrikaans for good morning sirs
[09:13] <magellanic> it is? I'm used to hearing "goeie more" or just "more"
[09:13] <Kilos> oh
[09:14] <Kilos> maybe i heard wrong
[09:14] <Kilos> i check google translate
[09:15] <magellanic> or you're right, and my afk is limited...
[09:15] <Kilos> goeie more menere
[09:15] <Kilos> sounds like cremora minora
[09:15] <magellanic> lol
[09:16] <magellanic> is ThatGraemeGuy around
[09:17] <Kilos> not yet
[09:17] <Kilos> still afk
[09:17] <magellanic> okay thanks
[09:17] <Kilos> np
[09:31] <Kilos> Padroni  you sick?
[09:31] <Kilos> or working for a change
[09:31] <Padroni> eish
[09:31] <Padroni> such hate so early on a Friday
[09:31] <Kilos> lol
[09:32] <Kilos> oh its friday
[09:32] <Kilos> hello Padroni  have a lovely day
[10:11] <Padroni> lol
[10:11] <Padroni> sorry
[10:11] <Padroni> been busy with work 
[10:11] <Padroni> so much work
[10:11] <Padroni> it is interfering with my 'office-hours' gaming sessions
[10:12] <Kilos> lol
[10:32] <Padroni> FNG's
[10:32] <Padroni> they will be the death of me yet
[10:48] <Kilos> grin and bare it
[11:08] <magespawn> good afternoon
[11:09] <magespawn> has any one come up against cryptowall ransom ware before?
[11:15] <Padroni> no
[11:15] <Padroni> thankfully not
[11:15] <Padroni> I know about it though
[11:16] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[11:18] <magespawn> hi Kilos Padroni 
[11:19] <Mopkop> Hello magespawn! I've heard about it too, but never had it.
[11:20] <magespawn> busy trying to clean a laptop now, looks like it encrypts the files using RSA-2048 public/private key encryption
[11:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:20] <magespawn> then send the private key off the pc
[11:21] <magellanic> this affects linux?
[11:21] <Kilos> win peeps i think
[11:21] <Kilos> comes via emails or so
[11:21] <Kilos> somewhere i read about something like that
[11:22] <magespawn> no magellanic, windows of course, and yes it came in through a pdf attachment to an email
[11:22] <magellanic> okay cool
[11:22] <Kilos> magellanic  there might be something online about how to kill it
[11:23] <magellanic> if it affects win, it doesn't affect me ;)
[11:23] <Kilos> i dont remember where i found the story, might have been a link i clicked somewhere
[11:23] <Padroni> did you Google for removal yet?
[11:23] <Padroni> or do you need help?
[11:23] <magespawn> yes i did, will let you know the outcome
[11:25] <magespawn> looks like removal is fairly standard, but you cannot decrypt the files without the private key, which they will only give you after you pay $500 in bitcoin
[11:26] <Kilos> hehe i know what a would do
[11:26] <Mopkop> I guess there is no hope in bruteforcing a 2048-bit key?
[11:26] <Kilos> fdisk, format reinstall
[11:27] <Padroni> https://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?/topic/150193-removal-instructions-for-cryptowall/
[11:27] <magespawn> Mopkop: no really no
[11:28] <magespawn> thanks Padroni 
[11:30] <Padroni> removal is easy
[11:30] <Padroni> decrypting is next to impossible though
[11:30] <magespawn> yup  there are recent backups though
[11:30] <Kilos> good luck magespawn  
[11:37] <magespawn> thanks
[11:45] <Symmetria> damn
[11:45] <Symmetria> I've seen some nasty malware crap in my life
[11:46] <Symmetria> but on this box that had been compromised, I found some really nasty shit
[11:46] <Symmetria> took me almost 2 hours to figure out how to shut it down
[11:49] <magespawn> Symmetria: have you seen Cryptowall?
[11:52] <Padroni> busy watching Ridiculousness on Youtube
[11:52] <Padroni> crazy stuff
[12:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:09] <mazal> Ja nee
[12:27] <Trixar_za> http://www.xkcd.com/ - RIP Terry Pratchett
[12:27] <Trixar_za> I think that's a very good comic about it
[12:43] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a good weekend , God bless
[13:11] <magellanic> anyone using openstack, if so which provider, are there local openstack providers?
[13:12] <magellanic> didn't realize ibm is also an openstack provider: http://open.ibmcloud.com/documentation/icos-documentation.html
[13:19] <andrewlsd> there  will shortly be a local openstack provider c/o LSD.
[13:19] <andrewlsd> about a month away.
[13:19] <andrewlsd> as in, commercial openstack service.
[13:19] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd  
[13:20] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[13:20] <andrewlsd> btw, at the moment IS offers an openstack-based service but it isn't advertised as OpenStack.
[13:20] <andrewlsd> ... it's their "ISignite" stuff. 
[13:21] <andrewlsd> ... and they've had two outages this year (one due to power outage of DC). Each outage was several hours.
[13:22] <andrewlsd> but until the outage, everything seemed hunky-dory. (until you require support). Your Milage May Vary.
[13:22] <andrewlsd> [I still have a cloud VM with them. R110/month: 1GB RAM, 50GB disk. So fine for dev stuff]
[13:23] <magellanic> ah, interesting
[13:23] <andrewlsd> Magellanic, what are you wanting to do with OpenStack.
[13:23] <Trixar_za> Padroni: Wait... you're watching Rediculousness - a show about Youtube funny clips - on youtube... That's pretty meta :P
[13:23] <magellanic> I was just curious about local providers as well as what providers people choose to go with
[13:24] <andrewlsd> ... for "workload" type stuff it's good, but I don't recommend using it to run production long-term persistent "VMs"
[13:24] <andrewlsd> .. rather user oVirt/RHEV (KVM) for that
[13:24] <magellanic> hmm okay
[13:24] <andrewlsd> ... ymmv, though.
[13:25] <andrewlsd> AFAIK, the universities are playing with OpenStack, but not sure how it's going for them.
[13:25] <magellanic> yeah, openstacks goals is around long term IaaS though? not recommended due to service levels of local providers perhaps?
[13:25] <andrewlsd> not recommended due to rapidly-changing nature of OpenStack, and ridiculous complexity of an openstack environment.
[13:26] <magellanic> ah okay
[13:26] <andrewlsd> Software Defined everything very quickly turns into a broken-everywhere scenario
[13:26] <magellanic> lol
[13:26] <magellanic> yeah
[13:26] <andrewlsd> ... I am a big fan of OpenStack. but Caveat Emptor
[13:27] <andrewlsd> Red Hat, Suse and Canonical have very nice set up scripts if you want a DIY openstack private cloud.
[13:27] <andrewlsd> susestudio has a 8GB image all set up and ready to run.
[13:27] <magellanic> nice
[13:28] <andrewlsd> very
[13:28] <andrewlsd> OT: anyone here using glusterfs in a significant way at the moment?
[13:29] <magellanic> nope
[13:29] <andrewlsd> related to OpenStack: https://susestudio.com/a/Mrr6vv/suse-openstack-cloud-4-admin--2
[13:30] <andrewlsd> Next topic: Any plans for PiDay tomorrow
[13:30] <andrewlsd> 3.14....
[13:31] <magellanic> thanks, checking it out
[13:31] <magellanic> no plans here, still need to get a pi2
[13:32] <magellanic> your plans?
[13:39] <Kilos> just verify the price for a pi2
[13:40] <Kilos> is it really R365
[13:40] <magellanic> andrewlsd: will buy one tomorrow, how does that sound :D
[13:40] <Kilos> tell me man
[13:41] <magellanic> Kilos: http://za.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/832-6274/
[13:41] <magellanic> that's ex vat
[13:41] <Kilos> ty
[13:42] <andrewlsd> I think it ends up being almost R600 incl VAT.
[13:42] <Kilos> ah
[13:42] <andrewlsd> magellanic =1
[13:42] <andrewlsd> ag. +1
[13:42] <magellanic> andrewlsd: you have one?
[13:42] <Kilos> and then you plugin a screen and keyboard and its like a pc?
[13:43] <magellanic> Kilos: yes. there is one guy that brings just his pi to ctpug meetups, he borrows a screen from the venue
[13:44] <Kilos> maybe i must think about getting one
[13:44] <andrewlsd> magellanic, I have none in my possession, but I have ordered my third ;/
[13:44] <magellanic> what happened to the other 2?
[13:44] <Kilos> sjoe where are the other 2 andrewlsd  
[13:44] <Kilos> lol
[13:45] <andrewlsd> First one was given to a guy who wanted to do some education stuff. (model B), next one is with a colleague (retroPi, model B)
[13:45] <andrewlsd> I only had them for a couple of weeks each :-P
[13:45] <Kilos> oh they didnt break?
[13:45] <andrewlsd> nope. no issues.
[13:46] <Kilos> yay /me needs something like that
[13:46] <magellanic> I had the first pi, few weeks as well, then we moved places, and it went missing
[13:46] <andrewlsd> my next one will be a Pi2
[13:46] <andrewlsd> ... magellanic, maybe it's in the lego toybox :-/
[13:47] <Kilos> or 4g ddr3 and a 2+1 data bundle
[13:47] <andrewlsd> (I made a lego box for my first Pi)
[13:47] <Kilos> ai!
[13:47] <Kilos> someone told w
[13:47] <magellanic> yeah there are lots of cool covers for it too
[13:47] <Kilos> me 2 weeks ago they come in a case already
[13:48] <magellanic> they do, but you can buy your own better one
[13:48] <Kilos> ah
[13:48] <andrewlsd> ... or build it.
[13:48] <Kilos> nono
[13:48] <Kilos> tired now
[13:51] <andrewlsd> Cheers peeps. am off now for a bit
[14:20] <Padroni> I am off too.
[14:20] <Padroni> Have a good weekend, folks
[14:20] <Kilos> you too old man
[14:21] <Kilos> ai!
[14:50] <Squirm> Hello
[14:50] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[14:51] <Squirm> Flying to Durban tonight
[14:52] <Kilos> lekker
[14:52] <Kilos> what you gonna do there
[14:57] <Squirm> Swim
[14:57] <Squirm> See the girlfriend
[14:57] <Squirm> and my parents
[14:58] <Kilos> nice
[15:01] <magellanic> pi day and you're going for a swim and social?, tsk tsk..
[15:01] <magellanic> :P
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:02] <Kilos> love conquers over everything
[15:02] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[15:03] <Kilos> we didnt see graeme today to ask him to fix you on ibit
[15:03] <Kilos> ai!
[15:03] <Kilos> minetest
[15:03] <Squirm> magellanic: pi day be my birthday
[15:04] <magellanic> oh! happy bday and enjoy the time in durbs
[15:05] <magellanic> forgiven for not neglecting the pi :p
[15:05] <magellanic> s/not//
[15:06] <Kilos> happy birthday Squirm y for tomorrow
[15:06] <Kilos> almost 30
[15:06] <Squirm> Kilos: still far away
[15:06] <Kilos> only 6 years isnt it
[15:06] <Squirm> Yeah, that's quite far still
[15:06] <Kilos> lol
[15:09] <kulelu88> hello folks
[15:09] <kulelu88> Squirm is younger than me :O
[15:10] <Kilos> lol
[15:10] <Kilos> never mind
[15:15] <Squirm> lol kulelu88
[15:17] <Squirm> My flight's only at 19h30 though
[15:17] <Squirm> Meh
[15:18] <Kilos> dont you have to be there 2 hours early
[15:18] <Squirm> 1
[15:18] <Kilos> ah
[15:18] <Squirm> Generally I get there 30min before :/
[15:18] <kulelu88> whoa
[15:18] <Squirm> Its always a rush for me
[15:19] <kulelu88> oom I think your login broke my connection :D
[15:19] <Kilos> what happened kulelu88  
[15:19] <Kilos> oh my
[15:19] <Kilos> how can that be
[15:19] <kulelu88> no idea. I was spawned in no-mans land
[15:29] <Kilos> hmm... maybe one can build a pi into a lappy thats m/board is dead
[17:00] <barrydk> Evening all
[17:01] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[17:01] <Kilos> i go eat
[18:11] <Kilos> :p
[18:15] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[18:15] <Kilos> did you get sorted with that malware thing
[18:15] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[18:16] <magespawn> yes it is removed, going to see what i can do about restoring the files
[18:16] <Kilos> cool
[18:28] <magespawn> still some work ahead of me
[18:29] <Kilos> ai! tell them to dump ms stuff man
[18:29] <Kilos> oh maybe then you wont have work to do anymore
[18:30] <magespawn> less work
[18:30] <Kilos> ya play games most of the time
[18:31] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[18:31] <magespawn> besides linux has its problems too, and if it was as widespread as windows there probably would as much malware for it
[18:31] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:32] <Kilos> i dont have probs i use kde
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe
[18:33] <Kilos> but i also dont do stuff others do
[18:34] <superfly> magespawn: nope, that "there'd be more viruses if it was used more" is a myth
[18:34] <magespawn> i am not saying they would be successful, just that there would be more attempts
[18:38] <magespawn> also i think the general nature of linux users means that some, maybe most, are more aware than your average win user, but i could be wrong there
[18:58] <inetpro> magespawn: no
[18:59] <inetpro> it's designed differently altogether
[18:59] <Kilos> hello pro
[18:59] <inetpro> good evening
[19:02] <superfly> magespawn: first, they've had to make you chmod a+x the file, then they've have to get you to either run the file as root, or use sudo.
[19:05] <kulelu88> Where is ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:06] <Kilos> he has no adsl at home so he stays oofline till he gets back to work
[19:06] <kulelu88> does anybody have him on bbm/whatsapp?
[19:06] <Kilos> they stole the cables there again
[19:06] <magespawn> and if your main user is root?
[19:08] <Kilos> you lost me now mage
[19:08] <Kilos> spawn too
[19:09] <Kilos> you mean the admin guy?
[19:09] <magespawn> with ubuntu the default user is non root, that is why the sudo password, on some distributions the default is root
[19:09] <Kilos> yes
[19:09] <magespawn> granted most people who use those would know not to leave it that way
[19:09] <Kilos> oh my
[19:10] <kulelu88> linux isn't as safe we'd like to believe. Consider all the flaws and loopholes in open source code that runs on linux servers, cause those run on desktops too
[19:11] <magespawn> but when i first started where i work now the asterisk was running as the root user on the centos
[19:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:12] <Kilos> you sure that was a mistake by the last guy?
[19:12] <magespawn> specifically against the recommended best practices
[19:13] <magespawn> i think, that if you read both the centos and asterisk setup guides they warn against that kind of setup
[19:14] <Kilos> one would hope so ya
[19:14] <magespawn> although i could be wrong about the centos, it has been awhile since i read it
[19:14] <Kilos> only the admin guy should be able to run as root
[19:14] <Kilos> imo anyway
[19:16] <kulelu88> under all conditions, most distributions will tell you not to run as root on a production server
[19:18] <magespawn> indeed kulelu88, as far as i know they all do, but some do not enforce it, they leave it up to the choice of the user
[19:19] <magespawn> but anyways
[19:22] <kulelu88> how would a distro enforce it?
[19:23] <magespawn> make the default install non root
[19:27] <superfly> kulelu88: I never said it's "safe" I just said that getting malware to run on Linux is more difficult than on Windows
[19:27] <superfly> BTW, anyone else having Internet speed issues at the moment?
[19:29] <Kilos> dont think so fly
[19:31] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4211879602
[19:38] <inetpro> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4211893543
[19:40] <Kilos> holy smoke inetpro  no wonder you are always short on data
[19:42]  * Kilos jealous
[19:43] <magespawn> nice one
[19:45] <inetpro> just the upload speed is a bit slow
[19:45] <Kilos> how do you manage that speed
[19:45] <Kilos> is my modem too slow
[19:46] <inetpro> block youtube
[19:46] <Kilos> huh?
[19:46] <inetpro> at this speed youtube is very tempting
[19:47] <Kilos> i8 never go there anyway but how do you manage to achieve that speed
[19:47] <inetpro> uh, that's not even fast man
[19:47] <magespawn> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4211914844
[19:48] <inetpro> the router can go 50Mbps, I think
[19:48] <Kilos> 4+ times faster than mine so explain dont give unrelevant info
[19:48] <inetpro> it's LTE
[19:48] <Kilos> so its my modem?
[19:48] <Kilos> my tower shows 4g
[19:49] <inetpro> obviously you need a LTE router for LTE speeds
[19:49] <Kilos> ai! obviously
[19:49] <Kilos> i dont want a router
[19:49] <Kilos> maybe the later modem will do it
[19:50] <Kilos> routers are just more gray hairs
[19:50] <Kilos> in my beard
[19:54] <Kilos> aw modems only go to 21.6mb/s
[20:01] <Kilos> ah magellanic  
[20:01] <magellanic> heya
[20:01] <magespawn> hi magellanic 
[20:02] <magellanic> hey magespawn 
[20:05] <superfly> hey, no one would know how to fix their car if it weren't for YouTube! don't block it
[20:05] <superfly> wow, inetpro, how do you get that speed?
[20:06] <magellanic> who's blocking YouTube?
[20:06] <Kilos> lol
[20:06] <Kilos> he has a fancy modem methinks superfly  
[20:07] <Kilos> they seem rather pricey though
[20:07] <superfly> Kilos: oh, is he on HSDPA?
[20:07] <kulelu88> there's some guy here who came to show us his 500MB speeds in Kenya
[20:07] <Kilos> i think lte
[20:07] <superfly> kulelu88: that would be Symmetria
[20:07] <Kilos> mobile broadband lte
[20:09] <magellanic> what speed does inetpro get?
[20:09] <kulelu88> we'll only see fibre in 10+ years in Pretoria
[20:09] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4211893543
[20:10] <magellanic> 22Mbps, nice
[20:10] <Kilos> yeah very
[20:11] <magellanic> I was thinking about getting those afrihost mobile month to month things
[20:13] <Kilos> inetpro  you got a Huawei E3276 LTE 
[20:13] <Kilos> ?
[20:14] <magespawn> good night all
[20:22] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:23] <kulelu88> me too magellanic 
[20:23] <kulelu88> loadshedding plus telkoms degraded network put connections at risk
[20:24] <kulelu88> R79 for 2 gigs