[01:15] Unit193: poke [01:16] bluesabre: Howdy. [01:20] hey Unit193 [01:20] so, reviewing https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce.html [01:21] for the dh-autoreconf items, the delta is that we use atuoreconf? [01:21] Yes. [01:22] ok [01:22] Center is the delta, right column is summery or whatnot. [01:22] gotcha [01:23] so for garcon, I check the debian version of autotools, or is there another way to determine that? [01:23] Just on some of them, we do technically have a delta, but because Debian handles it in a different way it's alright. [01:23] Well, see what lintian says? :P [01:24] :) [01:27] Mousepad is UNRELEASED right now, so it'll wait for Wombat. [01:33] yeah [01:33] gtk engines will wait as well, UIF being today and all [01:35] which lintian flags would alert me in this case for garcon? multiarch, or does this seem ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10588614/ [01:38] bluesabre: Hit the changes file for checking the source and binary builds. And no, outdated-autotools-helper-file would be it. :D [01:42] Unit193: thanks [01:42] Sure thing, cap'n. [01:43] I like specific error messages like that :) [01:43] source looks good for garcon [01:43] :) [01:46] Meh, well that one is for config.{sub,guess} and autotools-dev, but same concept. [02:21] the rest are merges, will work on those later tonight/tomorrow [02:22] thanks for the continued help Unit193 :) [02:22] bluesabre: Any time! Glad to be of service. [02:26] need anything from me to get you moving along with packageset? [02:26] I'm pretty sure I need more actual sponsor sigs, but I can look for a date to sign up anyway. [02:28] Hrm, I had a problem entering the unlock password on plymouth-logo. [02:31] tahts scary [02:33] Reset to see if it was vbox or something messed up, it used the text theme and worked fine. [02:52] Hah, someone goofed! ca-certs is newer in utopic than vivid. :D [03:05] :D [03:14] Yeah, plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo won't take my password. [03:15] Can someone else confirm? Maybe on hardware? [03:27] Unit193: I had issues with Kubuntu doing that the other day, didn't take the time to track it down yet [03:30] rww: Ah, fun. What happened when you tried? [03:30] Unit193: when I typed things nothing changed on the screen, and it didn't take my password at all [03:32] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/vivid/revision/278 had to update it for fsck and systemd. [05:43] cyphermox: So tried dracut with encrypted LVM and it worked, granted not as smooth as initramfs-tools, but considering it's an unsupported option it does pretty well. Know you weren't really interested, but said I'd report back with that. :P [10:26] knome, the installer-slideshow got uploaded [10:27] the pot files are available -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu [10:30] slickymasterWork, i know, didn't i mention it on this channel :P [10:31] bad knome :P [10:31] well i did [10:31] 23:42 knome: bluesabre, yai, Riddell's going to handle the slideshow upload if you didn't pick that up yet :) [10:31] you know I can't see the backlof of -off over here [10:31] that's over 12 hours ago [10:31] in this channel, not offtopic :P [10:31] I knew it was ridell and not infinity who would do it [10:32] anyway setting up the call for the ML [10:32] yep [10:34] please mention not to translate apps... [10:34] eh [10:34] tags [10:35] lol [10:54] knome, http://pastebin.com/fbJdat9U [10:54] is it too much? [10:54] "a huge contribution" sounds a bit like you're telling lies [10:55] ok, I'll drop the adjective [10:55] i would probably leave the [2] footnote off, just paste the url to the next line [10:55] what about the rest of it [10:56] ready to be translated: [10:56] URL [10:56] otherwise, it looks good [10:56] translated at [10:56] well [10:56] isn't that way better? [10:56] if you want me to nit-pick [10:57] nobody knows what ubiquity slideshow is [10:57] mention "the installer slideshow" [10:57] lol [10:57] you can even mention "..that greets the user the first time after they've started installing xubuntu" [10:57] or sth [10:58] oki [10:59] 21 languages 100% translated [11:00] pt isn't... [11:00] ... yet [11:01] it is [11:01] oh [11:01] i'm looking at utopic [11:01] WAT [11:01] WHY [11:01] last version of that paragraph knome :That time as finally arrived and I'm pleased to say that the Xubuntu installer slideshow, the package responsible for greeting the user when they start installing Xubuntu has been uploaded and ready to be translated at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu" [11:01] then only one is :D [11:01] that's ginnish... [11:01] yep [11:01] sounds nice [11:01] what's ginnish? [11:02] that's finnish after a few gins [11:02] and I do mean the significance of the word [11:02] ahahaha [11:02] send knome [11:02] ok ;) [11:02] care to tweet if you please? [11:03] yep [11:03] did you send to -users too? [11:03] pleia2, can you g+ and facebook it, pleae ^^^ [11:03] no, just to -devel [11:03] want me to send to -users to? [11:04] * knome shrugs [11:04] * slickymasterWork thinks is not on that mailing list [11:04] otoh, this is a small thing that's relatively quickly translated by current people who are translating [11:04] and otoh, it would be a good way to start contributing [11:04] yeah, just a few strings [11:04] but then otoh, it's also a bad place to make stupid translations and mistakes [11:04] right [11:06] don't attempt the devil knome [11:07] i guess finally, we *are* social mediaizing it too, so.. [11:14] bluesabre: i'm starting to wonder whether we should aim for (partial?) xfce compiled with gtk3 until the next LTS [11:14] or just stick to 4.12 [11:15] somehow the idea of again going with a mix feels a bit meh [11:15] then again, the power manager is already fairly stable (although no new features have been added since the port, so we prolly don't lose much by sticking to 1.4.x, apart from symbolic icons) [11:15] I'd say stable core, and updated goodies [11:16] yeah, xfpm is core though, so a good example :) [11:16] xfpm is the peanut butter to our light-locker jelly [11:17] hehe [11:17] so a goodie then? :) [11:18] :) [11:19] we'll probably change our mind as we go and port things [11:19] "just look at the shiny new settings manager, xubuntu needs that" [11:20] "oh wow, xfwm4 can do that now!? upload!" [11:20] yeah, possible [11:21] somebody should take the terminal port, its a window with vte, it'd probably be super easy [11:22] there already is a patch in bz that does the gtk3 part i think [11:22] not the vte3 part yet though [11:22] feel free to take a peek at that [11:22] note though that term hasn't had a 4.12 release yet (lazy nick) [11:26] :) [11:27] but still, porting in a branch should be fine [11:27] term actually has quite a big source, considering it's "just a terminal" [11:27] that's what happens with C [11:28] well, that and when you start adding features like the dropdown mode [11:33] fwiw, notifyd should also be fairly easy to port as it's already drawing everything with cairo [11:36] cool [11:36] gtk3 transitions could make that one nice [11:36] or annoying, hm [11:36] don't let me do that one [11:36] lol [11:37] morning peeps [11:38] hello eep [11:38] bluesabre: not sure there's be gtk3 transitions tbh, but support for symbolic icons would be nice [11:41] or: not sure what gtk3 transitions you had in mind, i think notifyd just draws the whole notification window with cario, so very little toolkit interaction there [11:44] bbl [11:54] bbl [12:11] ochosi: symbolic icons would be really nice [12:11] gotta run, bbl [12:31] it's true indeed, the shoemaker's son always goes barefoot [12:32] just noticed that lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings is still untranslated into pt [12:32] :P [12:33] 171 strings : [13:09] Unit193: cool, good to know [13:25] Any reason a 14.04 install would boot straight into memtest after a dist-upgrade? [14:39] well looks like microsoft sent another batch of bad chow to windows users [14:39] an update causing reboot loops [14:39] outch [14:40] glad im on a nice stable development build of xubuntu. [14:40] :D === brainvvash_ is now known as brainvvash [15:41] So how long should i keep these handful of systemd transistional compatibility libraries? [15:42] libsystemd-daemon0, libsystemd-journal0, libsystemd-login0, all 3 say depreciated next to them. [15:51] nerdistmonk, remove them [15:51] ah ok then. [15:52] apt-get autoremove might do the job [16:21] autoremove didn't show them, i just used synaptics to do a complete removal, nothing seemed to depend on them. so yeah. [16:31] Hello. How goes things in the Xubuntu world? [16:32] good good [16:32] :) [16:32] 4.12 got released and it's in vivid now [16:32] how're things over @mate? [16:32] Woooohoooo! Go Xubuntu :D [16:32] yeah, go Unit193, Noskcaj and bluesabre :) [16:33] Yep, all good with Ubuntu MATE. Got a few sync requests that need actioning and a couple more I will file at the weekend. [16:33] But, then..... [16:33] I'm cruising to final baby ;) [16:33] great [16:33] congrats [16:34] our status is also pretty good: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-flavor-xubuntu.html [16:47] * flexiondotorg_ is looking at ^^^^^^ [16:48] ochosi, I will have to find out how to use blueprints. Looks useful. [16:49] I'm using Trello at the moment because when unofficial, I had to have something. [16:49] yeah [16:49] we also tested trello [16:49] but then went back to blueprints [16:49] cause bugreport integration etc [16:49] ochosi, Interesting. Why back to blueprints? [16:51] integration with LP for the main part [16:51] but we still use trello - just not team wide [17:11] \o/ settings-dialog for lightdm-gtk-greeter fully translated [17:13] ochosi, any idea on who might have the permissions to kick it in? ^^ [17:13] is sitting now in the import queue https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/trunk/+imports [17:13] or knome ^^ [17:18] or bluesabre even ^^ [17:20] sry, i've never handled translations on lp [18:00] lol ochosi, you're the project driver [18:01] yeah, that's probably not a good idea then :) [18:01] ahaha [18:01] I think bluesabre might have a clue though [18:01] * ochosi hopes so [18:02] :) [18:13] slickymasterWork: when translating the information about mugshot in the ubiquity slideshow, i guess i better take the name that is displayed in the settings manager? [18:14] yes dkessel, for consistency sake [18:14] okidokey [18:14] :) danka [18:21] slickymasterWork: "to install Xubuntu _with us_" sounds strange to me... :p [18:21] we aren't really there when they install [18:23] that's just a colloquial expression, a friendly one [18:23] sort of making the user feel part of a all [18:24] hmm and in the part about local support channels, the translator could just pick the right ones for the translated language :) [18:24] instead of pointing them to an english list [18:24] that's something already in out TODO list for next cycle dkessel :) [18:24] s/out/our [18:26] slickymasterWork: ok :) another question: is the link which opens the desktop guide in the menu really called "official documentation" in english? [18:27] Yes in the opening page it is [18:27] if you click the Help button from whisker you can verify that [18:28] but the user won't find it that way, but nvm :) i guess this gets the symbol of "help" in the slideshow? [18:29] I don't quite recall it now, but you can always branch ubiquity.installer-slideshow and cd into int and then test run it [18:32] dkessel: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [18:32] then cd ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [18:32] and once there ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu [18:33] i guess i'll have to do an iso test the other day ;) do these get imported daily? [18:34] these what? the translations? [18:34] slickymasterWork: yup [18:35] thanks for helping out a bit with the slideshow translations ochosi :) [18:35] I think they aren't, at least the branch isn't set up to do it automatically [18:35] dkessel: lol yeah, 1 string, yay! :) [18:35] and that's another thing we will try to approach/change for next cycle [18:36] \o/ [18:36] dkessel: i did that one string and then noticed you were on it, so i stopped again ;) [18:36] lol a chef and his sous-chef [18:37] well, i really didn't want to mess with dkessel's work here ;) [18:37] so i went back to hacking on xfpm [18:37] still with it ochosi? [18:37] yeah, working on it [18:37] it's looking pretty good though [18:37] ochosi: how would you translate "live, online support"? i struggled with this in the docs, too... "xxx, yyy Unterstützung".... [18:38] yeah, both those words are fine in german imo [18:38] pretty much part of german by now [18:39] i guess that works. just don't let the general german translation team see that ;) [18:39] "Support" too, for that matter. [18:40] The other one seems just weird by now imo. [18:43] ochosi, btw our last meeting didn't actually happened, did it? [18:43] yeah, still need to fix that by setting a new one [18:43] wanted to wait for bluesabre and elfy to be around to set a date/time that works for them too [18:43] ok, just checking [18:45] german is done :) [18:45] nice [18:45] way to go dkessel [18:45] great dkessel [18:45] thanks for that [18:47] i should really do some work on the translated application names and stuff during the next releases... some are really strange, [18:47] and it bugs me that some names in the settings manager are still untranslated [18:48] you'll have to recur to transifex on some dkessel [18:48] yup [18:49] and then there is this orage developer who seems to have problems building a version with translation updates :p [18:51] haha [19:15] thunar crashed out of nowhere [19:16] slickymaster, can you mark bug 1371961 as public please? [19:16] Error: Launchpad bug 1371961 could not be found [19:22] meh, the byobu launcher is broken in vivid. xfce-terminal start, complains it cannot start the child process, then hangs [19:24] the launcher runs "env TERM=xterm-256color byobu". run from another xfce-terminal instance, this works. [19:25] ochosi: ^ what do you think... file against xfce-terminal, or against the panel from which is start the launcher? [19:27] my guess is terminal, as launching from whisker causes the same result [19:31] dkessel, probably already fixed upstream -> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/exo/commit/?id=b4200c9bab9f60e61a100dd12d841c2588b360d8 [19:35] brainvvash: that sounds like it [21:38] hello all [21:39] bluesabre: Hello, updating xfce.html. [21:39] evening bluesabre Unit193 [21:40] hey Unit193, elfy [21:40] Howdy, elfy. [21:41] how's Friday - warming up for either of you? [21:41] Sadly, yes. [21:42] a bit colder and rainy today [21:42] but overall, not bad [21:42] yea - we get that snow here bluesabre - warmed up and rain :p [22:14] bluesabre: Oh, right. Updated. Also turns out Adam didn't quite bump 'xfce4' correctly, but it's a minor thing so no matter. :P [22:14] ...Or I was reading a diff at 5 am, glossed over, and read it backwards. [22:16] Unit193 knome - so what's this new testcase actually for? is it needed on the tracker? [22:17] elfy, i don't know, but it's in the tracker... [22:17] elfy, it's the core testing we wanted to track at some point [22:17] iirc... [22:17] knome: I thought similar [22:17] Unit193: ? [22:17] :P [22:18] not sure if we can add that to the 'not changing from cycle day 1' test we've got for -core [22:18] Uhh, I was supposed to write a testcase for the thing merged into the Ubuntu upgrader, so I did. [22:18] it might have to join dailies [22:18] Erm.. [22:18] elfy, why couldn't we? [22:19] i mean, technically... [22:19] yea, but if we're putting more effort time into -core then shouldn't we just add that to dailes now - we can make them optionals [22:19] adding to the suite isn't a problemo... [22:20] knome: afaik - -core was a singular thing, this new one would have to be the same [22:20] I'd still like to leave core as the redheaded step child. [22:20] just seems a bit silly [22:20] elfy, i don't think so [22:20] * knome checks [22:20] Unit193: because? [22:20] Because Xubuntu (desktop) should be our main focus, and we shouldn't try to split that focus too much. [22:21] elfy, surely we can add to the same test suite [22:21] or is it product [22:21] yes, product [22:21] knome: product I thought - we couldn't do it at the time, Nick had to set it up [22:21] i can do that [22:22] i have admin perms [22:22] then so should I - if I can't set up Xubuntu tests that's just ridiculous [22:22] no reason why it couldn't be in the same testsuite as well [22:22] i added it to the same test suite now [22:23] mmm [22:23] and it'll limp along with the one-build-per-cycle [22:23] knew it [22:23] knew what? :D [22:24] that we'd end up with core-upgrade looking more important [22:24] oh [22:24] heh [22:24] i'll change that... [22:24] bluesabre: places-plugin, screenshooter, whisker, and weather all just hit exp. [22:24] weighting reallly needs to be sorted [22:24] elfy, isn't it good now? [22:24] :P [22:25] yep [22:25] btw, should we change minimal -> core [22:25] why packages won't work like that ... [22:25] it probably does [22:25] ;) [22:25] let's fix this and then move to packages. [22:26] knome: no - it doesn't - hence the bug report for it [22:26] "Xubuntu Core Install" and "Xubuntu Core Upgrade" ? [22:26] yep [22:26] just a second while i update production and branch [22:28] done [22:28] knome: quick question once you've done that [22:28] yes? [22:28] something different [22:28] ish [22:29] where? [22:29] :) [22:29] what? [22:29] ochosi and I talked a while back re this - I added to blueprint and postponed - but if it's not feasible I'll not do anything next cycle [22:29] knome: give me time ;) [22:29] sure.. [22:29] (this is IRC, you can talk over me... :P) [22:30] so - we have LP and tracker, is it possible to grab tracker results and then have a x.org page that updates from that - without someone doing anything to update it? [22:31] mmh... [22:31] well, the tracker has an API [22:31] knome: yea - but if you don't know to wait - you'll start talking about the Singalese translation that's only at 1% [22:31] with slickymaster [22:31] :D [22:31] ;)= [22:32] knome: bear in mind this has to be something that just updates - not something one of us has to do something to [22:32] yes [22:32] what exactly do you want to pull from there? [22:33] Unit193: thanks [22:33] not sure yet - not completely sure how http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers grabs it's information [22:33] because it IS infact wrong :) [22:33] and yeah, ubuntu has xfce 4.10 with 4.12 components, experimental has xfce-4.12 with libxfce4util6 [22:33] elfy, the API doesn't include tester information [22:33] :) [22:33] bluesabre: Of course, just doing my civic duty. [22:33] good sir [22:33] :D [22:33] elfy, but i think dkessel is working on the tracker, so... [22:34] well, it's possible that you could pull that info off [22:34] but that wouldn't be very efficient [22:34] would be much better if the tracker itself could show you the numbers you need :) [22:35] knome: yea [22:35] I do not trust it - certainly not enough to say - stickers to this one please pleia2 [22:36] mhm, well, same with manually building data - we have to base our results on the tracker data :) [22:36] knome: yea - I base it on a physical count of reports [22:36] which is a pita when I have to do 4 months ... [22:37] yes [22:37] that's not going to happen again though obv - as I just need to do March and April now [22:38] i'd investigate the tracker/dkessel direction before doing anything else [22:38] but as it is what it is personally I think it's QA Lead responsibility [22:38] ok, perhaps I'll talk with dkessel first about what I 'need' [22:38] yep, and feel free to ping/CC me :) [22:39] even if I can do it with a script I guess [22:39] can talk about the technical implementations we want with him [22:39] knome: ack - mostly it was talking to you whether there was an 'easy' way [22:39] mhm [22:39] seemingly not - so :) [22:39] well the easy way is to add the feature to the tracker [22:40] not only for us... [22:40] the feature is there - doesn't appear to be accurate [22:40] it is more or less trivial to implement that as long as you know the QA codebase [22:40] then file a bug that it isn't accurate :) [22:40] I know why some is like it is [22:40] we start b1 [22:41] 30 people test images [22:41] image rebuild [22:41] 0 people have tested b1 - they end up as 'dailies' [22:42] as far as we're concerned - those people DID test b1 [22:42] mhm... [22:42] tjat [22:42] ... [22:42] that's a good question [22:42] yep [22:42] i wonder if the "was something" status is tracked [22:42] apparently not [22:43] there could be sfa up with our image - rebuilt as a global thing [22:44] it's the human side of *us* smoketesting a few images and marking ready for release [22:44] yep [22:45] just that currently it's difference between me saying 'foo gets sticker' or we send them to bar instead [22:45] yep [22:46] that said - I do keep records here of what's being tested, what's hardware, etc [22:46]