[00:01] <sgclark> back and sure Riddell I can look @ kf5
[00:03] <soee__> :)
[00:54] <ahoneybun> still have no idea why it is not showing up in khelpcenter
[01:31] <ahoneybun> Well something broke for sure
[01:31] <ahoneybun> Plasma-shell is not starting 
[01:33] <ahoneybun> Now im missing plasma-desktop?
[01:37] <sgclark> ahoneybun: huh?
[01:37] <ahoneybun> Idk what happend
[01:37] <sgclark> I did not steal thy plasma-desktop!
[01:38] <ahoneybun> Plasma shell crashed so i restarted and not i nothinf but a black screen with the mouse
[01:38] <sgclark> are you using ci or something?
[01:38] <ahoneybun> Im in the tty right now
[01:39] <ahoneybun> I did not update or anything
[01:39] <ahoneybun> I did now thinking it might fix it
[01:39] <ahoneybun> But nope
[01:40] <sgclark> try systemctl start sddm
[01:41] <ahoneybun> Authentication complete
[01:41] <ahoneybun> Still black screen in tty
[01:41] <ahoneybun> Wow
[01:42] <ahoneybun> Got to login in... To a black screen
[01:42] <ahoneybun> With the mouse
[01:42] <sgclark> are you on vivid?
[01:42] <ahoneybun> Yep
[01:42] <ahoneybun> Been
[01:42] <sgclark> try sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop
[01:43] <sgclark> maybe a depend got borked or something...
[01:43] <ahoneybun> It seems to have removed that
[01:43] <ahoneybun> Installed
[01:44] <ahoneybun> Rebooting
[01:46] <ahoneybun> Amarok and kwallet start XD
[01:46] <ahoneybun> Nothing else 
[01:48] <ahoneybun> I type plasma-desktop and it says it is not installed
[01:48] <ahoneybun> But when i try ti install it says it is installed
[01:49] <sgclark> ahoneybun: I really don't know. You aren't like on the daily ci or something?
[01:49] <ahoneybun> Nope beta 1
[01:50] <ahoneybun> Hold up kubuntu-desktop pulled im a few updates
[01:52]  * ahoneybun downloads another beta 1 image
[02:14] <ScottK> sgclark: Get the seed situation figured out?
[02:19] <sgclark> ScottK: ack sorry no got distracted by 50 irc notification of failed builds
[02:19] <ScottK> OK.
[02:20] <sgclark> ScottK: I will email you when I get that sorted. THanks for your help
[09:29] <Riddell> sgclark: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/sign.tar.gz
[10:07] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: ping
[10:10] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:10] <ovidiu-florin> hey BluesKaj
[10:10] <BluesKaj> hey ovidiu-florin
[10:13] <ovidiu-florin> Pablo: ping
[10:13] <Pablo> pong
[10:13] <ovidiu-florin> The feature page has another card on trello, made by ahoneybun
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> he has a link there with the new screenshots
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> Pablo: make a concept for the Feature tour page
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> get inspiration from the current page: http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour
[10:20] <ovidiu-florin> you can make any design you want
[10:20] <ovidiu-florin> make it offline first, and then I'll give you a place to put it so everyone can see it and vote on it
[10:21] <Pablo> ok then
[10:23] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: any python experience?
[10:24] <BluesKaj> nope
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> osăm (awesome)
[10:25] <BluesKaj> except for scripts to run my TIVO a few yrs back
[10:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:29] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: mornin'
[10:29] <ovidiu-florin> any python experience?
[10:30] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you?
[10:30] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Lots ;)
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: can you give me feedback on this: https://paste.kde.org/pcv7b7xsx
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: last night I got a stack overflow after about an hour
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> of running it
[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> just crashed again
[10:34] <ovidiu-florin> after <5 minutes of running
[10:34] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Do you have a traceback?
[10:34] <ovidiu-florin> https://paste.kde.org/pq99vtim0
[10:35] <ovidiu-florin> last relevant lines
[10:37] <lordievader> Ah, you are programming recursively...
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[10:38] <lordievader> That explains the stack overflow.
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> why so limited?
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> only 86 levels
[10:38] <lordievader> If you have only a couple of links it'll work, but give it a couple of thousand. And you have a huge stack.
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> I have 8 GB of RAM
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> it shoul dbe more than enough
[10:39] <yofel> is "lnk" really identical with "pageUrl" ?
[10:39] <yofel> otherwise isLinkStored does nothing useful
[10:40] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: it could have been previously added
[10:40] <kfunk> isLinkStored can simply be "link in lst"
[10:40] <ovidiu-florin> if I make it a set
[10:41] <ovidiu-florin> but hten I need 2 sets, because I can't have indexes in sets
[10:41] <ovidiu-florin> to keep track of what was visited
[10:41] <lordievader> Perhaps using more return statements and smaller functions will help.
[10:42] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: please elaborate on that
[10:43] <lordievader> Have a function that grabs Kubuntu urls from a give page, this function returns those urls. Small function who do just one thing. Also you probably want to work with dictionaries, that way you can create a url tree.
[10:45] <ovidiu-florin> I don't need a URL tree
[10:45] <ovidiu-florin> just a list
[10:45] <ovidiu-florin> and then to test that each one of those is valid on the new site
[10:48] <ovidiu-florin> I fail to see how it is more usefull to separate the 2 parts into separate functions, thus increasing the complexity
[10:50] <lordievader> Actually smaller functions are easier to manage. They also make debugging easier.
[10:52] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Perhaps you also need to make sure that you are trying to parse files, it just tried to parse an image.
[10:54] <yofel> hm, problem seems to be that you're doing a deep search. So if page 1 has 2 links, you go into the first link, if that also has the 2nd link you will parse that there, and not on the first level
[10:54] <yofel> my script run is at depth 350 by now...
[10:55] <yofel> and crashes at "parsing page /HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu / depth: 394" with a 404 error
[10:58] <ovidiu-florin> never mind, I found http://wummel.github.io/linkchecker/ I hope it has an export function
[10:59] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: yes, that's a bug I've fixed
[10:59] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: here you go https://paste.kde.org/pz5vqfeqy
[11:08] <yofel> gotta run, sorry
[11:54] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: pong
[12:45] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: still here?
[12:45] <Quintasan> yeah
[12:45] <ovidiu-florin> your flatmate made a concept for the kubuntu site
[12:45] <ovidiu-florin> it's not online anymore
[12:45] <ovidiu-florin> I was looking at that for inspiration
[12:46] <Quintasan> I'll kick him.
[12:46] <Quintasan> Wait a second.
[12:47] <Quintasan> Ah damn he's not in the flat
[12:49] <ovidiu-florin> ah... anyhow. I want to talk with him about designing the download page
[12:50] <ovidiu-florin> I have some requirements, maybe he has some ideas.
[12:50] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off
[12:50] <ovidiu-florin> see you soon
[13:18] <ahoneybun> morning
[13:20] <ahoneybun> does anyone else have "starting version 219" on the top left of their computer when they first start up?
[13:20] <soee> yes
[13:21] <ahoneybun> it hangs for like 2 mins I swear
[13:21] <ahoneybun> I thought it had to do with the ubuntu sdk
[13:28] <yofel> ahoneybun: what does systemd-analyze tell you?
[13:29] <yofel> 'systemd-analyze blame' might tell you what took so long
[13:31] <ahoneybun> yofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10596859/
[13:32] <yofel> :/
[13:32] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10596865/
[13:33] <yofel> that's 40s, not 2 minutes ^^
[13:33] <soee> ahoneybun: but yeah there was more lines before after plymouth, now only this one for few seconds till sddm is loaded
[13:35] <yofel> ahoneybun: maybe try systemd-blame plot > /tmp/chart.svg and see when sddm starts there
[13:35] <yofel> otherwise everything looks fine..
[13:35] <BluesKaj> sddm not starting at boot , have to start it from the TTY 
[13:35] <yofel> with newest updates?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> on  the laptop, boots ok on the desktop 
[13:36] <soee> BluesKaj: some user eported the same on #kubuntu last days
[13:36] <BluesKaj> yofel, yes , very latest 
[13:36] <yofel> gah, one annoying part about systemd is that I don't know where to look these days if something goes wrong *-.-
[13:37] <BluesKaj> soee, yeah , I saw that with some users, some lost their desktops etc , I just neede to restartsddm
[13:37] <ahoneybun> yea I ran startx to get a desktop
[13:38] <soee> i hope there wont be such problems after final release :/
[13:38] <yofel> does 'systemctl status sddm' print something interesting?
[13:38] <yofel> ahoneybun: ^
[13:39] <BluesKaj> sustemd to me isn't working very well, I miss startup and init, some apps need dbus-launch to start properly
[13:39] <ahoneybun> yofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10596897/
[13:40] <soee> also check last comment here: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/bPkdrSHDS3E any of you have the same ?
[13:40] <yofel> disabled -> what?
[13:40] <yofel> ahoneybun: 'sudo systemctl enable sddm' might help...
[13:41] <yofel> or does that fail in any way?
[13:41] <ahoneybun> nope
[13:42] <yofel> does status now say enabled?
[13:42] <ahoneybun> yea
[13:42] <yofel> ok, *should* start on boot now
[13:42] <yofel> now... how the hell did that get disabled
[13:43] <yofel> BluesKaj: does status say disabled for you too?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> yes yofel, status inactive (dead)
[13:46] <yofel> no, the Loaded line should say: loaded (...), enabled, vendor preset: enabled
[13:47] <yofel> Active says whether it's running, which shouldn't be inactive either though if you started it yourself o.O
[13:48] <BluesKaj> yofel, it says sddm.service; disabled; vendor present; enabled
[13:48] <yofel> wth...
[13:48] <yofel> BluesKaj: please also run 'sudo systemctl enable sddm'
[13:49] <BluesKaj> I haven't started sddm
[13:49] <yofel> ah ok, then inactive is right
[13:50] <BluesKaj> just enabled sddm, it's hung up in plymouth , not doing anything
[13:50] <BluesKaj> no progress dots
[13:51] <yofel> BluesKaj: please pastebin /var/log/sddm.log
[13:52] <BluesKaj> systemctl says unknown operation sddm
[13:53] <ahoneybun> I'm rebooting to see what happens brb
[13:53] <yofel> did you forget 'enable'?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> ok , once I get a desktop I'll do that 
[13:54] <BluesKaj> didn't forget enable
[13:55] <yofel> strange, "Unknown operation sddm" should only be shown if you run "systemctl sddm" or so
[13:56] <ahoneybun> yofel: started up fine
[13:56] <ahoneybun> everything is loaded
[13:57] <ahoneybun> though that "starting version 219" is still there
[13:57] <BluesKaj> ok ran enable again, startx got a desktop this time
[13:57] <yofel> ahoneybun: well, that's something at least
[13:58] <yofel> the starting version 219 would be a bug in systemd (as that's the systemd version)
[13:58] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[13:59] <soee> ahoneybun: can you file a new bug ? i can confrm than (about starting version 219)
[13:59] <BluesKaj> yeah , getting version 219 here too, but have the gui sddm login after the reboot 
[14:01] <BluesKaj> ok , got the desktop this time ...looks like enable sddm did the trick yofel
[14:12] <ahoneybun> soee: what would I file that under?
[14:13] <yofel> ahoneybun: just do 'ubuntu-bug systemd' and make sure the bug is tagged 'systemd-boot'
[14:14] <BluesKaj> still getting 219 version here on the desktop pc, but it sddm gui loads without any problem
[14:15] <BluesKaj> the laptop which had the problem, seems fine now
[14:18] <soee> ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+filebug
[14:20] <ahoneybun> thanks soee working on it
[14:22] <ahoneybun> soee: yofel https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1432171
[14:22] <yofel> apport didn't work? :/
[14:23] <ahoneybun> yofel: ?
[14:23] <yofel> ubuntu-bug
[14:23] <yofel> as you didn't use apport, please add the ubuntu release version and the exact systemd package version by hand to the bug description
[14:24] <ahoneybun> ok
[14:26] <ahoneybun> done yofel
[14:27] <soee> BluesKaj: can you also confirm please on bug repot page ?
[14:27] <yofel> thanks
[14:36] <BluesKaj> soee, I have issues with that stupis ubuntu one sign in page, I've tried changing my profile setings since I changed ISPs bit it insists on keeping my original email address etc which is no m.,onger valid, so I can't confirm atm
[14:37] <BluesKaj> as you can tell by my spelling mistakes I'm a bit p**ed of at launchpad for tying themselves to this useles page
[20:55] <soee> calligra is broken in vivid ?
[21:12] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1432171 Has this reply: 
[21:12] <valorie> This is not a bug; it's simply the plymooth comment due to the 'quiet splash' boot options
[21:12] <valorie> When these options are removed from grub, and then grub updated, that comment is replaced by the full booting process.
[21:12] <valorie> perhaps I should try updates to my old laptop and add more to that, because to me, that is still a bug
[21:24] <soee> valorie: why ?
[21:36] <valorie> why is it a bug?
[21:36] <valorie> it shouldn't show at all
[21:36] <valorie> black screen would be better
[21:36] <valorie> 40 secs is a rather long startup, too
[21:37] <soee> imo there should not be back screen at all
[21:37] <valorie> sure
[21:37] <soee> there should be plymouth and direct transition to sddm
[21:37] <valorie> right
[21:37] <valorie> so I want to add my comments to that bug saying so
[21:37] <soee> ah ok :)
[21:38] <valorie> my bet is that I won't be able to login with out nonsense after the updates too
[21:55] <soee> valorie: can you check if calligra is installable for you of have deps problems ?
[21:56] <soee> *or
[21:58] <valorie> installing; just finished updates on that old laptop entirely without problems
[21:59] <valorie> I'm even testing muon discover to do that
[21:59] <valorie> first time I've used it
[21:59] <valorie> soee: any particular part of calligra you had problems with?
[21:59] <valorie> I'm doing sheets
[22:02] <valorie> soee: it installed fine, and opens up
[22:10] <soee> valorie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10599881/
[22:13] <valorie> hmmm, I didn't try the metapackage
[22:13] <valorie> just sheets
[22:13] <soee> ah, ok
[22:13] <valorie> doing that now from the cli
[22:14] <valorie> muon discover doesn't offer the metapackage
[22:14] <valorie> it's installing fine though
[22:14] <soee> crom cli ?
[22:14] <soee> *from
[22:14] <valorie> yes
[22:15] <valorie> it just finished
[22:15] <soee> strange
[22:15] <valorie> sheesh, so much smaller than libreoffice
[22:15] <valorie> this laptop has a fresh install of vivid beta, and I did updates today
[22:15] <valorie> although I've not restarted since
[22:16] <soee> im also on all latets updates
[22:20] <valorie> I've commented that bug anyway, and quoted you, soee
[22:22] <soee> valorie: ok :)
[22:41] <ahoneybun> valorie: changed it to "confirmed"
[23:08] <valorie> thank you, ahoneybun