[00:45] <thor77> hey, im trying to run postfix, it works very good, but i get this message sometimes "warning: valid_hostname: misplaced delimiter: .
[00:45] <thor77> "
[00:45] <thor77> whats wrong?
[02:02] <FreezingCold> Can't seem to create a debootstrap install as a user
[02:02] <FreezingCold> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/user/fakeroot-x64 mount -t proc proc /proc
[02:02] <FreezingCold> fakechroot fakeroot debootstrap --variant=fakechroot lucid ~/ubuntu-lucid-fakeroot-x64/ http://mirror.its.dal.ca/ubuntu/
[03:59] <sarnold> FreezingCold: the chroot(2) syscall requires root privileges
[04:00] <FreezingCold> sarnold: Thanks for not reading at all.
[04:00] <sarnold> FreezingCold: that may explain your failure...
[04:00] <FreezingCold> Of course that's why it's failing, that IS the problem.....
[04:00] <FreezingCold> fakechroot fakeroot is supposed to fix that
[04:02] <stgraber> FreezingCold: while fakechroot will fake the chroot call for you as an unprivileged user, it will still not let you do mounts
[04:02]  * FreezingCold sighs
[04:02] <sarnold> evening stgraber :)
[04:02] <stgraber> hey sarnold
[04:03] <FreezingCold> stgraber: You're mixing up fakechroot and fakeroot.
[04:03] <stgraber> FreezingCold: I'm not. fakechroot will let you do chroot() as an unprivileged user, fakeroot will let you write files as other uids/gids than yourselves, neither will let you do mount table changes as an unprivileged user
[04:04] <FreezingCold> So why is this magically a new thing?
[04:04] <FreezingCold> debootstrap definitely has *TONS* of reports of working perfectly with fakechroot fakeroot as a user
[04:10] <stgraber> hmm, so looks like the mount issue is supposed to be worked around by fakechroot by ignoring the mount and letting you see the real /proc. The problem I see here when trying with lucid on trusty is that lucid's simply too old.
[04:11] <stgraber> the LD_PRELOAD set by fakechroot requires a recent version of the C library which lucid simply doesn't have
[04:13] <stgraber> precise on trusty works fine
[04:16] <stgraber> fakechroot requires a libc >= 2.14. so precise is as old as you can run (since 2.14 was never shipped by Ubuntu and the closest thing is 2.15 in precise)
[10:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:42] <thor77> what does this "warning: valid_hostname: misplaced delimiter: ." message in mail.log from postfix mean?
[10:43] <bekks> That your hostname contains a . where it shouldnt be.
[10:44] <thor77> http://pastie.org/private/damb65x7gg9v7lidqhrqrq
[10:44] <thor77> i dont see the misstake
[10:49] <thor77> or should i use $mydomain for "myhostname="?
[11:56] <bekks> thor77: whats the hostname of your machine?
[11:56] <thor77> bekks: fire.crapwa.re
[11:58] <bekks> Then you does your config does not contain it?
[11:58] <thor77> bekks: i replaced crapwa.re with domain.tld in the paste
[11:59] <bekks> Which makes the pastebin useless.
[11:59] <thor77> why?
[11:59] <thor77> where's the difference between abc.domain.tld and fire.crapwa.re?
[12:02] <thor77> so... where should i place my hostname in the config?
[14:38] <smallfoot-> If I run Ubuntu on Microsoft's Azure cloud, will I have to do any maintenance and package updates myself or will that all be handled automatically for free?
[14:49] <smallfoot-> When you run Ubuntu on Azure, is it as IaaS or PaaS ?
[15:22] <bekks> MS Azure is a SAAS provider.
[15:46] <smallfoot-> bekks, no I don't believe Azure does SaaS. My understanding is that Azure primarily does PaaS (their own offerings) and secondarily IaaS (third-party offerings)
[15:51] <bekks> smallfoot-: At least Wikipedia states that Azure is a SAAS provider :)
[16:06] <smallfoot-> " It provides both PaaS and IaaS services and supports many different programming languages, tools and frameworks, including both Microsoft-specific and third-party "
[16:06] <smallfoot-> *nowhere* on the Wikipedia article does it mention SaaS
[16:29] <Patrickdk> heh, even if azure did saas, running ubuntu in azure is so not saas
[16:48] <smallfoot-> right
[16:48] <smallfoot-> If you want to run a unattended server, is it better go with Ubuntu Server or CentOS?
[16:49] <smallfoot-> Maybe I should go with CentOS, they are more professional and don't live in the dream world where they will make it on tablet and smartphones lol
[16:53] <andol> smallfoot-: To that question, what answer do you really expect in a channel named #ubuntu-server? :)
[17:05] <smallfoot-> true
[17:07] <Patrickdk> heh? centos doesn't live in anyworld
[17:08] <Patrickdk> they have no dreams or ambissions
[17:08] <Patrickdk> they *just* feed off redhat
[17:08] <Patrickdk> I wonder if their *security patching* is fixed yet, or not
[17:13] <smallfoot-> oh, CentOS is bad at security patching?
[17:13] <Patrickdk> it used to lag a month+ behind
[17:13] <Patrickdk> since rhel has taken them in, I haven't been keeping track
[17:13] <Patrickdk> centos is only *maintained* by 2 people
[17:13] <Patrickdk> only so much they can do
[17:14] <smallfoot-> oh, i see
[17:14] <smallfoot-> I didn't know it was that bad
[20:30] <squisher> rbasak, hey, finally got around to fixing the bcache repo, but I can't push because there's a remote hook that rejects non-fast-forward updates :-\
[20:31] <squisher> jamespage, ^ what's the best way to resolve that?