[04:52] <mapp> hi all
[05:46] <mapp> diddledan
[05:46] <mapp> diod you watch ep 2 of csi cyber
[10:09] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:09] <MooDoo> mapp: i did
[10:37] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:56] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[11:15] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[14:36]  * penguin42 uses the phrase 'a pool of gently festering chocolate goo' in a mail to ambrosia to explain why they need to improve the packaging on their chocolate custard
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> their marketing department will waste a lot of time trying to work that into an advert
[14:43] <penguin42> and I'll be proud if they do
[14:43] <zmoylan-pi> nah, you'll be out looking for an intact carton of chocolate custard
[15:51] <daftykins> penguin42: :D
[15:52] <daftykins> i had an almost impossible decision at a restaurant for lunch, cheesecake... sticky toffee pudding or brownie
[15:52] <penguin42> so you got all of them?
[15:52] <daftykins> nah, just the one! i've gained a bit too much weight during the downtime since hospital
[16:01] <penguin42> so it was the STP ?
[16:02] <daftykins> i find it's tough for them to get that one right, so i went brownie - controversially
[16:04] <penguin42> well, chocolatey goodness - no cfc available?
[16:05] <daftykins> chlorofluorocarbons ? o0
[16:05] <penguin42> Chocolate Fudge Cake
[16:28] <diddledan> choccy fudge cake is teh awesome
[16:28] <penguin42> nod, especially when it's given like 10s in a microwave to fudgicate it
[16:29] <daftykins> no fudge cake nope :(
[16:29] <daftykins> as it was i was going to stop drinking Guinness but i snuck a 4 pack into my shopping Friday
[16:30] <daftykins> and polished off two last night before bed ;)
[16:39] <diddledan> the google mothering sunday doodle is cute
[16:41] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:02] <SuperEngineer> hurumph!  get-iplayer still snafu'd by BBC!
[17:02] <daftykins> :(
[17:02] <daftykins> i'm sure someone in here had it working well after i'd noticed it was borked also
[17:03]  * SuperEngineer composes letter "Dear Beeb, you ba***rds"
[17:03] <daftykins> i was definitely trying the latest build from the site of whoever took over development
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> [I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't have a hate campaign against all those who had to work today and wanted to see a replay of F1]
[17:06]  * SuperEngineer wonders if there is a discrimination case against the beeb to be had out of this ;)
[17:06] <diddledan> it annoys me that the beeb only have highlights of f1 on the iplayer instead of a full replay (when they had the full play rights to a race as opposed to sky-crippled highlights-only)
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> +1
[17:07] <diddledan> I get that they agreed that sky get full-play to all races and the beeb only get full-play on some, but if they had full-play on a particular race I don't see why they can't put that on the iplayer
[17:08] <diddledan> it was a bit of a slap in the face by the beeb in agreeing to the deal anyway
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> again, +1
[17:10] <diddledan> I'm betting bernie ecclestone made a mint though, so it's all good -_-
[17:10] <daftykins> :(
[17:13] <diddledan> it looks like sky only do highlights replay, too
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> what, surely not! are you suggesting Ecclestone is finance only focused & couldn't give a damn about anybody but himself?!!!  That is an awful suggestion...
[17:15] <SuperEngineer> ..shame it's true though ;)
[17:17] <daftykins> on the bright side guys, you only need to see a couple of laps 'cause the rest are monotonous, so surely highlights are best :D
[17:47] <mapp> hi all
[17:48] <diddledan> allo
[18:21] <daftykins> evenin'
[18:29] <shauno> eyup
[18:32] <daftykins> setting up 2 factor authentication on my xbox account was kinda fun, turning on my xbox one asked me to authorise it on my phone app... so i pulled it out of my pocket and just had to hit 'yes' \o/
[18:32] <daftykins> though i'm concerned that's yet another app running constantly on the ol' phone, sapping juice
[18:32] <daftykins> 4GB DDR3 ordered for that cheap £208 Lenovo laptop, £20.99 delivered \o/
[18:33] <daftykins> that thing is now crazy fast with the free SSD too :)
[18:34] <penguin42> which laptop?
[18:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7t7n5llpq5dyuc7/AACsIO22uCVR3MUceENXe3yla?dl=0
[18:34] <daftykins> this'un
[18:35] <daftykins> bit chunky at 15", but it'll do for the old girl
[18:35] <daftykins> free printer too, still don't know what to do with that :P
[18:36] <daftykins> the 7mm thick 500GB HDD in that thing is so skinny... https://www.dropbox.com/s/8xbkunl846l085x/IMG_20150314_154708.jpg?dl=0
[18:36] <daftykins> there's it beside one manufactured in 2012
[18:36] <penguin42> well it's not like the SSD needs the space for heads or platters or things that have to move over each other
[18:37] <daftykins> nah, both those are mechanical
[18:37] <daftykins> must be a single platter with the skinny one
[18:39] <penguin42> nod
[18:41] <daftykins> but yeah that 180GB intel SSD in there is flying now :) bit more mother proof since it can be flung around now too
[18:41] <penguin42> haha
[21:42] <diddledan> m00
[21:43] <shauno> mee00w.
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> m=0000w
[21:43]  * diddledan stroke the kitty shauno 
[21:48] <popey> pip pip
[21:48] <diddledan> allo
[22:30] <daftykins> evening
[22:30] <daftykins> just finished The Blues Brothers \o/
[22:31] <daftykins> now i need to pick a cheap graphics card for a friend, hmm
[22:31] <daftykins> nvidia GT 730 seems tempting 0o
[22:32] <diddledan> hehe - blues bros rock
[22:32] <daftykins> that they do :D
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> the sequel was never going to be as good but i enjoyed it
[23:01] <popey> daftykins: i need a new graphics card at some point
[23:02] <popey> wtf GTA 5 pushed back _again_
[23:02] <daftykins> popey: what's the popey game machine rocking at the moment?
[23:02]  * popey wakes it up
[23:02] <popey> something crusty
[23:03] <daftykins> :D
[23:03] <popey> GTX 460 IIRC
[23:03] <daftykins> mmmhmm, do you have any budget in mind?
[23:03] <daftykins> nvidia 960s or 970s seem pretty nifty
[23:03] <popey> Yes, GTX 460
[23:03] <popey> will i be able to just pull the old card out and put a new one in?
[23:04] <popey> no additional PSU / mobo / cables etc?
[23:04] <daftykins> mmm depends if your one right now uses any PCI Express graphics power connectors from the PSU
[23:04] <daftykins> i'm not 100% on what power the 460s required
[23:05] <popey> yeah, will remove it from the pc at some point and examine it more closely
[23:05] <popey> my pc is not new / fast
[23:05] <popey> it works
[23:05] <daftykins> just an lspci entry should be plenty to go on?
[23:05] <popey> its in windows right now :)
[23:05] <daftykins> ah
[23:05] <daftykins> devmgmt.msc 8D
[23:05]  * webpigeon_ has a 660  in his
[23:05]  * popey reboots it
[23:06] <daftykins> appears to be £170~ for GTX 960s with 2GB, or ouch - £260+ for a GTX 970 4GB
[23:06] <popey> thats out of my budget
[23:06] <popey> I think no more than ~100 quid or so
[23:07] <daftykins> GTX 750 Ti then perhaps
[23:07] <popey> much of a step up from 460?
[23:07] <popey> worth it?
[23:07] <daftykins> lets pop them into the anandtech benchmarkerator
[23:09] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10607008/ is my pc
[23:09] <popey> crusty msi mobo MS-7680
[23:09] <popey> i7-2600 @ 3.4GHz
[23:09] <daftykins> H61's a happy chappy, mmm 1155 sandybridge
[23:10] <daftykins> http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-750-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-460/2187vs2167
[23:10] <daftykins> hrmm
[23:11] <webpigeon_> to be filled in my OEM is my favourite thing to see in dmidecode
[23:11] <daftykins> doesn't seem like too much of a jump actually, that might be too low a budget
[23:11] <daftykins> http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-460
[23:12] <daftykins> http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1135?vs=1130 closest i could find there was the GTX 480
[23:16] <popey> hmm
[23:16] <popey> might have to spend a bit more
[23:18] <daftykins> the 970 in comparison tramples even the 480 by a factor of 3 times higher framerates across the board, but is quite pricey - no entry in the table for the 960 sadly
[23:19] <daftykins> i think the 960 would be your best bet
[23:19] <daftykins> http://www.legitreviews.com/should-i-upgrade-my-geforce-gtx-460-to-a-geforce-gtx-960-video-card_157808/3
[23:19] <daftykins> cor, as if by magic
[23:19] <directhex> i hav a 6600. this pc's had a few upgrades over the years
[23:19] <directhex> still needs replacement
[23:20] <directhex> er, 660 not 6600
[23:20] <daftykins> directhex: would you concur on a 960 being a nice choice?
[23:20] <directhex> yeah, 960 is a good value card
[23:20] <directhex> 4 of them! quad sli!
[23:20] <daftykins> XD
[23:22] <popey> i doubt my mobo could take more than one :)
[23:22] <popey> oooh!
[23:22] <popey> It's my birthday soon!
[23:23] <popey> right, if someone else is buying (although it comes out of a joint account so technically I am buying) what card should I get :D
[23:23] <daftykins> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=1914&subid=2379
[23:23] <daftykins> i like Asus ones i think
[23:23] <daftykins> i tend to just go with highest warranty
[23:24] <daftykins> hmm Zotac has 5 year
[23:24] <daftykins> i don't trust pre-overclocked cards though, always been burnt by those
[23:24] <popey> i had to replace the fans on this card
[23:29] <daftykins> do you recall the brand?
[23:30] <popey> i can probably find it in my past purchase history, one mo
[23:30] <popey> wifey asked me today if I wanted anything specifically on my amazon wishlist
[23:30] <daftykins> suddenly a graphics card appears as #1 :D
[23:31] <popey> 01de:0beb
[23:31] <popey> indeed!
[23:31] <popey> does the pci id reveal mfr?
[23:31] <popey> can't find the email
[23:32] <daftykins> i don't seem to be getting much from google
[23:32] <popey> http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/01/13/gta-5-pc-release-date-and-system-specifications-announced says march 24
[23:33] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Grand-Theft-Auto-V-PC/dp/B00KL3W478 says april 14
[23:34] <daftykins> good ol' Rockstar, cashing in on the consoles most likely
[23:36] <webpigeon_> before the : should be the vendor ID, but i can't find any data on the vendor
[23:36] <daftykins> mmm same
[23:37] <popey> probably some cheapo crap
[23:38] <popey> i only have one 1080p screen attached, most games i play run at that resolution with sufficient stuff turned on for me to be entertained
[23:39] <daftykins> yeah 2GB would be fine for that imo
[23:39] <daftykins> there's talk of 4GB 960s but i think that just tends to be a 'bigger number' trap, or only benefit 4K types
[23:40] <webpigeon_> pointless anyway, opengl (used to, don't know if it still does) keep a copy of the texture in main memory anyway
[23:44] <popey> this box has uh.. 8GB i think
[23:44] <daftykins> i suspect we're firmly talking Direct3D for GTA V on PC
[23:45] <webpigeon_> if it's on Windows only, probably
[23:47] <directhex> popey: in most cases, no, pci id doesn't say manuf
[23:47] <directhex> HOWEVER
[23:47] <directhex> subsystem id does.
[23:47] <popey> yeah, GTA V is windows only i think
[23:48] <directhex> "lspci -v" will show subsystem
[23:48] <daftykins> nice to know my lovely old Q6600 Core 2 Quad is now minimum spec :>
[23:48] <directhex> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK106 [GeForce GTX 660] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[23:48] <directhex>         Subsystem: ZOTAC International (MCO) Ltd. Device 1281
[23:48] <popey> ah interesting
[23:49] <directhex> 03:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technology Corp. JMB363 SATA/IDE Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
[23:49] <directhex>         Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Motherboard
[23:49] <directhex> subsystems are exciting
[23:50] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey so is Ori ;-; Windows and xbo exclusive so I dont get to play ;-; and MS must have paid to get some windows 8 and wp8 TY the tasmanian tiger exclusives... I miss TY ;-;
[23:50] <directhex> ori is a unity3d game, they could port it to linux in 2 clicks. ms paid for exclusivity
[23:50] <popey> oh, that worked
[23:50] <popey> Gigabyte
[23:50] <daftykins> ChloeWolfieGirl: i bought that \o/
[23:51] <daftykins> very fun so far, but i've not had the time to go back
[23:51] <ChloeWolfieGirl> directhex, Its made by microsoft studios, the same people who made dust, so theres still hope :P
[23:51] <popey> I bought a game off humble bundle, turned out to be Mac (and iOS only).
[23:51] <directhex> not that simple
[23:51] <popey> I tweeted at the developer, my annoyance, and they gave me a code for iOS version of the game, which was nice of them.
[23:52] <directhex> *published* by microsoft game studios. developed by a small indie
[23:52] <directhex> generally, exclusivity involves bribes.
[23:52] <popey> yeah
[23:52] <popey> see also No Mans Sky
[23:52] <popey> :(
[23:52] <popey> So sad that's PS4 exclusive
[23:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl> daftykins I played a bit of it on the XBO, its so pretty and fun
[23:53] <daftykins> +1 to that :)
[23:55] <daftykins> alright time for bed, g'night all \o have a good week
[23:55] <diddledan> nn
[23:55] <ChloeWolfieGirl> nigh Nigh daftykins