[15:06] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[15:07] <ScottK> \o
[15:07] <ScottK> I guess I'm supposed to chair today.
[15:08] <ScottK> #startmeeting Ubuntu DMB
[15:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 16 15:08:12 2015 UTC.  The chair is ScottK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:08] <ScottK> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:09] <Laney> A gentle introduction for cyphermox
[15:09] <ScottK> Not sure if I did that right.
[15:09] <Laney> Yeah, don't think the bot confirms #link
[15:09]  * stgraber waves
[15:09] <ScottK> In any case, the agenda is light.
[15:10] <ScottK> Anyone have anything not on the agenda?
[15:11] <cyphermox> not me
[15:11] <Laney> Yes
[15:11] <ScottK> Go for it.
[15:11] <Laney> Need to finish Noskcaj
[15:11] <Laney> ...'s application
[15:12] <ScottK> OK.  Will someone volunteer to be the point person for collecting and tallying votes?
[15:13] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000821.html
[15:13] <Laney> then https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000822.html
[15:14] <Laney> I think there's still some +4/+1 confusion
[15:14] <ScottK> So if cyphermox were to vote -1 0 or +1, what happens?
[15:14] <Laney> i.e. is this in doubt or not?
[15:15] <Laney> It's at 0 currently, so basically a casting vote by my interpretation
[15:15] <ScottK> So where do we have the vote counting rules documented?
[15:15] <Laney> Nowhere
[15:15] <Laney> do you remember that it came up recently?
[15:15] <micahg_mobile> I thought the vote scheme was settled a couple years ago
[15:15] <xnox> essentially if cyphermox +1 -> win, else -> deffered to reapply again.
[15:15] <Laney> when we talked about DM upload rights
[15:16] <Laney> we decided then that we were voting to +1
[15:16] <Laney> based on an email from Mark that I found at the time
[15:16] <ScottK> OK.  Where was that documented?
[15:16] <ScottK> OK.  We ought to have it better documented where we can find it.
[15:17] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-July/000999.html ← that one
[15:17] <Laney> IIRC
[15:17] <Laney> I think it was stgraber who was disagreeing
[15:18] <Laney> let me just mail the CC and get them to write it up somewhere
[15:19] <stgraber> might have been, though nowadays I'd be fine with documenting that the score must be +1 or higher and that at least 50% +1 (quorum) of the DMB members voted
[15:19] <ScottK> OK.
[15:19] <micahg_mobile> Well, as I recall, the DMB had a different scheme because of the care needed when granting upload rights
[15:19] <Laney> The reason that +4 came about, in my mind, is that this is when the application is no longer in doubt
[15:20] <Laney> i.e. a unanimous meeting of 4 or more DMB members can make a decision that the others can't overturn
[15:20] <ScottK> For Kubuntu Dev, the rule is "majority of those present and at least 3".
[15:20] <stgraber> Laney: right
[15:21] <Laney> OK, fine, so I don't think there is any actual disagreement
[15:21] <ScottK> So, bottom line then is it's up to cyphermox.
[15:21] <Laney> cyphermox: want any context?
[15:22] <micahg_mobile> Hrm, I thought we had 3 abstentions
[15:22] <cyphermox> I was just looking at that
[15:22] <cyphermox> so far I'm +0, looking to see if there's something to change my mind either way
[15:22] <Laney> You can ask questions
[15:22] <Laney> if you want
[15:22] <ScottK> I'd propose two actions:
[15:23] <ScottK> 1. Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented.
[15:23] <cyphermox> Laney: true
[15:23] <ScottK> 2.  cyphermox review Noskaj application and history and determine his vote.
[15:23] <ScottK> We ought to be able to do both those in two weeks, right?
[15:23] <Laney> Fine. I'll just send the email right now
[15:24] <cyphermox> Noskcaj: what specific actions did you take on the evolution-ews package I see in mitya57's list of experiences working together?
[15:24] <cyphermox> ScottK: yes
[15:24] <ScottK> Probably not entirely fair just to spring this on him without warning.
[15:25] <Laney> email is fine
[15:26] <ScottK> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000821.html
[15:26] <ScottK> #action Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented.
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented.
[15:26] <Laney> Give me two minutes and you can #link it
[15:27] <ScottK> #action cyphermox review Noskcaj application and history and determine his vote.
[15:27] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox review Noskcaj application and history and determine his vote.
[15:29] <ScottK> Anything else while we wait for Laney's link?
[15:33]  * Laney better mail to devel-permissions instead of d-m-b@ so there is a public link.
[15:36] <Laney> ScottK: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000828.html
[15:37] <ScottK> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000828.html
[15:37] <ScottK> Next chair
[15:37] <ScottK> micahg_mobile: You're next on the list.
[15:37] <Laney> Also if this application fails the people who voted negatively should be ready with feedback
[15:37] <micahg_mobile> Ok
[15:38] <ScottK> AOB
[15:38] <ScottK> I guess none then.
[15:38] <ScottK> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 16 15:38:43 2015 UTC.
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-03-16-15.08.moin.txt
[15:39] <Laney> thanks ScottK
[16:31] <tyhicks> hello
[16:31] <jjohansen> \o
[16:32]  * sbeattie waves
[16:32] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:32] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 16 16:32:09 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:32] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:32] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:32] <tyhicks> Stefan Bader (smb) provided debdiffs for xen for precise to utopic
[16:32] <tyhicks> Christian Hertel provided a debdiff for tntnet for precise (LP: #1430750)
[16:32] <tyhicks> Your contributions are very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:32] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:35] <tyhicks> lets come back to him
[16:35] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: go ahead
[16:36] <jdstrand> oh sorry
[16:36] <jdstrand> I can go now or after mdeslaur
[16:37] <tyhicks> jdstrand: go ahead :)
[16:37] <jdstrand> ok
[16:37] <jdstrand> so, the performance reviews are all done
[16:38] <jdstrand> I've been discussing snappy signatures and hashes with mvo, tyhicks and mdeslaur. we are getting real close to agreement. after which, I'll write it up
[16:38] <jdstrand> I will be working on snappy hw access this week, and snappy frameworks
[16:39] <jdstrand> all this snappy work will lead into more review tools work as well as click-apparmor
[16:39] <jdstrand> I'm also working on an embargoed issue
[16:39] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:39] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:40] <mdeslaur> I just published some USNs
[16:40] <mdeslaur> I plan on working on php5, libav, and an embargoed issue this week
[16:40] <mdeslaur> that's about it for me, sbeattie?
[16:40] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:41] <sbeattie> I'm currently refreshing my gcc-5 pie package against newer versions in the toolchain-r ppa
[16:41] <sbeattie> after that, will continue testing there.
[16:41] <sbeattie> I need to do some apparmor patch review
[16:42] <sbeattie> oh I didn't get to the dhclient not getting its profile applied under snappy, will poke more at that this week
[16:42] <sbeattie> that's it for me, tyhicks?
[16:43] <tyhicks> I'm on the community role this week
[16:44] <tyhicks> today, I'll be working on testing and fixing any bugs found in the libapparmor aa_features string parsing routines
[16:44] <tyhicks> jjohansen thinks he spotted a bug (he's probably right) and that patch really needs tests
[16:45] <tyhicks> after that, I think we're really close to landing the libapparmor parser cache API in upstream AppArmor
[16:45] <tyhicks> I'll also be working on AppArmor kernel keyring mediation for user data encryption
[16:46] <tyhicks> and, if I have time, I'll finish up the patches to fix bug #1430532 and send them out for review
[16:46] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:46] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:47] <jjohansen> I am on apparmor again this week. I need to finish up with my patches for Bug 1431717, Bug 1430546. I need to follow up with the latest Bug fixes pushed to the kernel team and make sure all patches are on all the kernels they should be.
[16:47] <jjohansen> I'm sure there will be some more to do around the libapparmor cache API, and once that lands I can push my series around dfa testing.
[16:47] <jjohansen> And then its back to the upstreaming work.
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: there's an email to the lsm list that you should probably have a look at
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: it is in the stacked lsm patch set thread
[16:48] <jjohansen> tyhicks: yeah there are several emails to the list I need to reply too
[16:49] <tyhicks> jjohansen: stephen smalley points out a potential layering issue in apparmor
[16:49] <jjohansen> yep
[16:50] <jjohansen> that is it for /me sarnold you're up
[16:50] <sarnold> I'm on bug triage this week, and it's another short week for me
[16:51] <sarnold> there are outstanding MIR requests and outstanding openstack testing and updates to work on, not sure which ones I'm going to work on this week, but both are large enough that it's unliekly either one will be completed
[16:52] <sarnold> I'll talk with tyhicks afterwards to figure out the priorities
[16:52] <sarnold> chrisccoulson?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> Hi :)
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> This week, I'm still trying to remove Oxide's dependency on GL share groups. I have a prototype, but it doesn't work yet
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> I've also got an embargoed issue to fix
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> other than that, I'm hoping for no surprises this week :)
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> that's me done
[16:54] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: were you able to get to all the pending merge request reviews last week?
[16:55] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: it's been at least 24 hours without a flash update, so perhaps you'll get one of those :)
[16:55] <tyhicks> heh
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> tyhicks, not all. But the most important ones are done
[16:55] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: good! :)
[16:56] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:56] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:56] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/oftc-hybrid.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xlhtml.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gcc-4.9-powerpc-cross.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/feh.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-rply.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:56] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:58] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, chriscoulson: thanks!
[16:58] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 16 16:58:29 2015 UTC.
[16:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-03-16-16.32.moin.txt
[16:58] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks! :)
[16:58] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[16:58] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:58] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[16:59] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!