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Kilosmorning all05:28
Kiloshi barrydk  05:45
barrydkMore Kilos en almal05:46
Kiloshi mazal  06:09
mazalMorning everyone06:09
Padronimorning06:12
Kiloshi Padroni  06:12
Padronihi06:12
Padronihow are you?06:13
Kilosgood ty and you?06:13
PadroniI'm good06:15
magespawngood morning06:37
Maazmagespawn: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell magespawn there is no ant-malware that will help for someone like tannie malware" 1 day, 12 hours, 18 minutes and 44 seconds ago06:37
Kiloshi magespawn  06:37
Kiloshaha06:37
magespawnhi Kilos 06:38
magespawnthat is a truth06:38
inetprogood mornings06:52
magespawnhi inetpro 06:53
Kilosmorning inetpro  06:55
Symmetriaanyone here who can comment someone who wants a contract to do security auditing on linux boxes and who knows what the hell they are doing 07:03
magespawnSymmetria: i would love to do it, but i would be completly out of my depth07:07
Kiloshi TinuvaMac  07:29
TinuvaMacmorning Kilos07:29
Kiloshi Rynomster  07:34
Kiloswb magespawn  07:42
Squirmmorning07:46
Kiloshi Squirm  07:46
Padroniwhy so quiet?08:26
Kilosbeen outside digging in storeroom08:35
Padronihi Kerbero08:44
Kilossjoe08:46
Kilosha you the hopper today Padroni_  08:48
Padroni_lol08:48
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lin_Hello guys.09:01
Kiloshi lin09:01
lin_All good, kilos09:01
lin_All good09:01
Kilosgood09:01
lin_So I figure you live in SA, right, Kilos ?09:01
lin_We might meet soon.09:02
lin_Will be coming there for flight training09:02
Kilosthats right near pretoria and you ?09:02
lin_I'm in Kenya for now..09:02
lin_But when I come..09:02
lin_It'll be at Cape Town...09:02
Kilosaha thats not far from here09:03
Kilosabout 1000ks09:03
Kiloshaha09:03
lin_Some braai shortens the distance,09:03
lin_lol09:03
Kiloshey lin if you in kenya you should also join the africa channel09:03
lin_Cool09:03
Kilos#ubuntu-africa09:04
lin_Thanks for the reminder.09:04
lin_I had lost the previous config for the xchat client09:04
Kilosim trying to pull the ubuntu users out of nairobilug09:04
Kilosaha09:04
Kilosactually they can still be with the lug but with the buntu peeps as well09:05
lin_meh09:05
lin_Not that I'm an ubuntu fan but..I like the guys.09:05
lin_The community09:05
Kilosoh yes we are the best09:05
Kilosyou are welcome here by us09:06
Kiloswhat system do you use?09:06
lin_Arch Linux09:06
lin_On all systems09:06
Kiloswhew you one of the clever guys09:06
lin_meh09:08
lin_I like rolling releases09:08
Kilosi use kubuntu so i dont have to think much09:08
lin_I also like gentoo09:08
lin_A lot09:08
Kiloslol09:08
lin_But of late, haven't used it much09:08
lin_Arch is faster to set up compared to gentoo09:08
Kiloskde just works09:09
lin_lolzzzz09:09
Kiloshehe09:09
lin_Consuming a junkload of RAM in the process.09:09
Kilosnot too bad09:09
lin_I like the way it handles multiple monitors though09:10
lin_Painless setup/09:10
lin_Can't say the same with xfce09:10
Kilosim running it on a dual core with 4g ram09:10
lin_I'm a minimalist though09:10
lin_What are your full specs?09:10
Kilosya but you have to think more09:10
lin_lol09:10
Kilos3g dual core with 4g ddr309:11
lin_3g...umm...09:11
lin_You lost me there..09:11
Kilos3 gig09:11
lin_oh09:11
lin_I have 32 GB of RAM09:11
Kiloswhew09:12
lin_An Intel Core i7 4700HQ09:12
Kiloslovelly09:12
lin_4 cores. 8 threads09:12
lin_NVIDIA GTX 980M SLI09:12
lin_3 1 TB M.2 SSDs configured in RAID 0 09:12
Kiloswhew when you fly over here to capetown drop it out over pretoria09:13
Kilosill catch09:13
lin_And another 2 TB for storage09:13
Kiloswow09:13
lin_I use this rig for gaming + video editing09:13
Kiloscool09:13
lin_And compiling Android ROMs + ChromiumOS09:14
Kilosi could most likely take off with something like that09:14
lin_These projects require a shitload of RAM09:14
Kilosi wouldnt have thought anything couls slow that setup down much09:15
Kiloscould09:15
lin_There are things that bring it to a halt09:16
lin_Like the Meson build system09:16
lin_And building Android09:16
Kiloswow09:16
lin_breakfast find5-userdebug && mka09:17
Kilosonly building i do is block on block in minetest09:17
lin_lol09:17
lin_lol09:17
lin_lolzzzzzzz09:17
Kiloswhen you are bored get some more guys to join #ubuntu-africa09:20
lin_I will09:20
Kilosand search out all the ubuntu users in your area if possible09:21
lin_hehehe09:21
lin_nice09:21
Kilosyou arch guys suppress them i think09:21
lin_nope09:21
Kiloslol ty09:21
lin_Probably not09:21
lin_most of the guys I know run some variant of Ubuntu and Fedora09:21
Kilosoh and also if you know of any in other countries in africa invite them too please09:22
lin_;-009:22
lin_;-)09:22
Kiloshi magellanic  09:26
magellanicgreets09:26
Padronihi09:35
Kiloslin_  are you coming here for pilot training or just to have wings glued on to you09:41
lin_Pilot training.09:46
lin_lol09:46
Kiloscool09:46
LangjanHi Kilos10:54
Kiloshi Langjan  10:54
Langjanhoesit10:54
Kilosgood ty and you10:54
Kilosgimme one minute10:55
Langjanwell thks10:55
Langjanyu got two10:55
Padronihi Langjan10:55
LangjanHi Padroni, you OK?10:56
Kiloslol my eyes were floating10:56
PadroniI/m good thanx10:56
Kilosok Langjan  is it still hanging?10:57
LangjanIt plays around like liquorice allsorts10:57
Langjansometime hangs and gets up again other tmes it has to be powered off10:58
Kilosdoes it only do it when you have certain things running10:58
Langjanthen screen goes blank, have to rebot to get icons back on screen10:58
Kilosok have you got an error message for us10:58
Langjanno discernible pattern re apps10:58
LangjanI got long error messages this morning, could not get them down before it shut down again10:59
Kilosinetpro  ping10:59
Kiloshopefully he knows how to find it11:00
KilosPadroni  ideas, lappy hanging at odd times11:00
Padronicould be any of a numbe of things11:01
PadroniSince it is a laptop, I would look at overheating first11:01
KilosLangjan  are you on it now11:01
LangjanYes, the fan seems to come on and go off11:01
Padroniget a system monitor app and monitor the temperature11:01
PadroniIt could also be faulty RAM11:02
Padroniwhere the alptop will work fine as long as the RAM usage is under a certain threshold, and the second it goes over that and hits a bad spot, it hangs11:02
LangjanRAM was 700Mb, upgraded to 1,7Gb (don't know where the 0,7 comes from)11:02
Padroniyeah that don't make sense11:03
PadroniCould be reporting an odd amount due to some of it being used as video memory though11:03
Padronihow many sticks of ram you got in that laptop?11:03
LangjanOK let me try to get the temp monitor going 11:04
Padronihang on11:04
Langjantwo sticks11:04
Padroniok11:04
Padronishut down11:04
Padroniremove the new one, and leave only the oldest one11:04
Padronitest the laptop 11:04
Padronithen do the same with the new one11:04
Padroniif it hangs on the one and not the other, you know you got a bad stick in the equation11:04
Padronireplace it then11:04
LangjanOK thks awill try that11:05
KilosPadroni  he is my oom11:05
LangjanJa nefie11:06
Padroniah ok11:06
Padroniyou can also run the memory test from Grub menu when you boot up11:06
Kilosnot often there is someone here older than me hehe11:06
Padroniif memory test hangs you know you got bad RAM11:06
LangjanHow do I do that? Remember Miles calls me oompie11:07
Kilosisnt there a command that will find the error message11:07
Kiloslike tail /var/log/syslog11:07
Kilosoh11:07
Kiloswhen you boot do you see the grub menu Langjan  11:08
LangjanDo I run that comand in the terminal? You say when I boot up...11:08
Padronino dude11:08
Padroniwhen you boot up, you get a menu which gives you a choice of booting linux or running a memory test11:09
Kilosim thinking of when it hangs a while then goes again11:09
Padronithat is the test we are referring to11:09
Padronicould be memory usage comes down or gets written to swap space ?11:10
LangjanThere is no such option that shows when I boot up11:10
LangjanNow it restarted with the launcher in the middle of the screen and showing two half screens. As I said, liquorice allsorts 11:12
Kilosok so we need to make it show the grub menu to start with Padroni  11:12
KilosLangjan  http://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time11:13
LangjanMaybe I should do the test of RAM sticks first?11:13
Kilosya do that 11:13
Kilosone step at a time hey11:13
LangjanRestarted again, screen back to normal11:14
LangjanOK will do and get back some time 11:14
Kilosok good luck11:14
Langjanthks11:14
KilosLangjan  11:15
Kilosmaybe it is the old ram if the last owner was complaining about same prob11:15
LangjanOK will try with the new one only first11:15
LangjanGood point11:16
LangjanAlso suspicious with 700Mb...11:16
Kilosya something not right there11:17
Kiloswhat was in it and what did you add11:17
Kilos512m each?11:17
LangjanKilos the original stick is 1Gb, in the machine it showed 700Mb, I added  1Gb and it showed 1,7Gb.  11:31
Kilosah11:31
LangjanNow I removed the old one and put the new 1GB in the bottom slot, it shows 746Mb, so it seems the slot is not picking up all the memory...11:32
Kilosi dont know lappies at all. what happens if you put it in the second slot11:33
Kilosor must the primary slot be used first11:33
Padroni1Gb RAM would loose only 64Mb to video memory11:33
Padroniby default11:33
Padroniso it can't be that11:33
* Squirm looks around11:40
Squirm'lo11:40
Kiloslo Squirm  11:40
LangjanI noticed that the battery was loose on one side when I removed it, however, that would not have affected the RAM pickup but could possibly have contributed to the messing around? 11:42
Kilossjo11:42
LangjanIt picks up 746Mb of RAM from both 1GB sticks in both slots 11:52
Kilossjoe11:52
Kilostry run it with the new one and see if it hangs11:53
LangjanThen it picks up 1,7Gb with both sticks. So 746 plus 746 adds up to 1700 - does not make sense. I will try just the one Kilos, but its very sluggish then. 11:58
Kilosya but lets find if we can get it stable first 11:58
LangjanOK guys, many thanks for now, I have to run. Will let you know what is happening. 11:59
Kilosty Padroni  12:00
Padroni ok12:03
Kiloshi Mopkop  12:59
MopkopHello again!12:59
Kilosoh my12:59
Kiloswb Padroni  12:59
Kilosof both of you13:00
Kiloshi kulelu88  13:00
MopkopHello Padroni, kulelu88!13:00
kulelu88Hi13:00
MopkopSo I started learning Python...13:00
kulelu88Python <313:01
Kilosgood13:02
Kilosoh my they both died13:03
Kiloshi andrewlsd  13:52
andrewlsdHi Kilos, Hi all.13:52
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* zerlgi lolz as nick goes from top to bottom of list.13:53
zerlgi(almost top)13:53
Kiloszerlgi  wb lad13:54
zerlgity, Kilos.13:54
Kilossee how many we are here13:58
Kilosat last we are growing13:59
kulelu88if this group hits 200 before 2015 ends, I will eat my shoe14:02
Kilosnono man 200 is too much14:03
Kilos50 is good14:03
* zerlgi calls renta-IRC-crowd so that we can watch kulelu88 eat his shoe ;-)14:04
Kiloshahaha14:04
* kulelu88 thinks zerlgi is part of modern political organization that rents crowds :D14:07
Kiloslol14:08
zerlgikulelu88 +114:10
magellanicheya zerlgi 14:23
zerlgiheyz magellanic14:26
SquirmHmm14:52
SquirmWe upgraded our internet14:52
Squirmhttp://www.speedtest.net/my-result/421824952914:52
kulelu88dahell? upload speed is double?14:56
Kiloswow14:57
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Kiloswb Padroni  15:15
Padronity15:16
PadroniShift #2 now15:16
* Padroni sighs15:16
Kilossjoe15:16
Squirmkulelu88_away: I think they're equal, but download is always being used in this company15:17
Kilos-sorry, was testing a whizzy thing15:45
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
SquirmHome15:56
=== kulelu88_away is now known as kulelu88
kulelu88it must be 40MBs VDSL or maybe even fibre16:09
inetproSquirm: have you seen this?: http://xmodulo.com/check-internet-speed-command-line-linux.html16:16
inetpromuch nicer to test on the cli16:16
Kiloshmm...16:26
Padronianyone seen the series Vikings?16:35
Squirmkulelu88: we have fibre16:36
SquirmThanks inetpro, will have a look16:37
Kilosworks well16:37
Kilosty inetpro  16:39
Kilosbetter than using a browser16:39
Padroniguess not16:44
Kilosive just seen it advertised16:44
Kiloswb Langjan  whats news16:45
kulelu88Padroni: I watched 1 episode. not too great16:45
kulelu88almal op ubuntu-za is clients van axxess :D16:45
PadroniYou never judge a series based on 1 episode16:45
Padroniyou have to watch at least 3 16:46
Kiloskulelu88  ?16:46
kulelu88Padroni: It's kind of like a budget version of Game of thrones16:46
kulelu88Kilos: a lot of the people are Axxess clients :-/16:46
Kilosah16:46
LangjanHi Kilos, I have fitted my laptop's 2GBRam, no change. Everything goes haywire, the desktop loses all icons and menus, shows peculiar windows, freezes. 16:47
Kilosfrom scratch or once warmed up?16:47
LangjanOne pattern seems to be emerging, the total loss of all on the desktop except for the picture16:48
LangjanFrom scratch16:48
LangjanIt still picks up only 1,7Gb of RAM via 2x1Gb.16:49
Kiloshow clean are all the connections where the ram goes in16:50
Padronithat won't matter16:50
Kilosanother idea16:50
PadroniRAM will either work or it will not16:50
Kilosboot from dvd and see if it does the same thing16:50
Kilosrun kive from dvd16:51
Kiloslive16:51
PadroniDid you test the memory Langjan16:51
LangjanPadroni, grub menu does not appear so no test option on startup16:54
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Langjan'scuse me guys, just having dinner with my lady16:56
Kilosenjoy16:56
Padronithe boot up with a live cd and memtest from there16:56
Padroniwe told you this earlier already?16:56
Kiloshe may forget things16:57
Kilosi think he is 10 years older than me16:57
Kilosi go eat also as well too16:59
Kilosi might go off for a while17:30
LangjanPadroni I'm running on live CD, is it the system test that you want me to do?17:40
Padronimemory test17:41
Langjanwhere do I do memory test?17:45
Kilos-hmm...17:48
Langjanwhile running system test manager booted on live CD the system froze again 17:51
Squirmin the livecd boot menu, select memtest17:52
Kilos-oh my17:52
Langjanexcuse my idiocy but I have never seen memtest selection in live boot menu, where do I find live boot menu?  17:53
Squirmgnight all17:54
LangjanIts frozen again must I power off and reboot on CD?17:54
Squirmah, but you don't see the grub menu17:54
Langjangnight squirm17:54
Kilos-night Squirm  17:54
Squirmmemtest in in the grub menu, as  Padroni mentioned17:55
Squirmgone17:55
Squirm*gone17:55
Langjanno grub menu on normal boot nor on live CD boot17:55
Kilos-yes jan boot from dvd and then choose memtest17:55
Langjanwhere do I find memtest Kilos?17:55
Kilos-you um17:56
Langjanum17:56
Langjan?17:56
Kilos-where it asks to install or run live there should be memtest there as well17:56
Langjannever seen that, but getting there, will check17:56
Kilos-ive been off unity for so long now i forget some stuffs17:57
Kilos-about a year on kde only17:57
Kilos-oh somewhere it says disk check but that checks the dvd17:58
Kilos-i have a 10.04 cd here let me boot other pc on it17:59
Langjanoptions are try, install or read release notes18:01
Kilos-ai!18:01
Kilos-somewhere used to be a mamtest18:02
Kilos-memtest too18:02
Langjanno mam or memtest here that I can see...18:03
Kilos-lol18:03
Langjanhaha18:03
Kilos-ai! other pc so slow18:03
LangjanI tried to install psensor to check temps, but it froze halfway...18:05
Kilos-while you are online try http://askubuntu.com/questions/489862/how-to-install-boot-repair-tool-in-ubuntu-14-04-live18:06
Kilos-lets see if we can at least get it booting18:06
Kilos-my 10.04 didnt show memtest either18:07
Kilos-someone stole it18:08
Kilos-trying the install route now18:09
magespawngood evening18:10
Kilos-hi magespawn  18:10
magespawnhey K18:10
magespawnKilos-: too18:10
Kilos-lol18:10
magespawninetpro thanks for that speedtest-cli link18:11
Kilos-was just gonna say wow you are really getting lazy18:11
magespawnefficient18:11
Kilos-works lekker hey18:11
Kilos-the pro has his moments18:11
Langjanits booting ok18:11
LangjanIm into the system monitor if that can help?18:12
Kilos-has it booted18:12
Langjancpu running at 60%18:12
Kilos-wow18:12
Langjanyes it boots ok18:12
Langjannever had a problem with booting, the only way to get it goinh asfter freeze is to reboot18:13
Kilos-did you get it with the ssd in?18:13
Langjanmemory running at about 40% 18:14
Langjanssd?18:14
Kilos-oh isnt that the one with the solid state drive in?18:14
inetprogood evening18:14
inetproLangjan: As the CD boots, the user can gain access to the advanced page and its options by pressing any key when the small logo appears at the bottom of your screen: 18:15
Kilos-hi inetpro  18:15
Langjanno ssd that I know about, no its my machine that has the ssd, the one I'm chatting on 18:15
* Kilos- lets mr fixit take over18:15
inetproTest memory: 1. Initiates a Memtest86+ test. 2. Pressing ESC terminates the test.  18:15
Langjanok must I reboot again to get to the advanced page? 18:16
* inetpro reading from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions18:16
LangjanOK into test memory18:17
Kilos-it takes long18:18
inetproKilos-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda18:19
Kilos-ty inetpro  18:19
inetproKilos-: btw, please fix your funny tail!18:19
Kilos-oops sorry18:19
Kilos-darem nie n sleep stert nie18:19
inetproai!18:20
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inetprodankie tog18:20
* inetpro recognises the face now18:20
Kiloslol small things bug you hey18:20
inetprowhy you say I ignore you?18:20
Kilosya the one you ignore most of the time18:20
* inetpro has a life18:20
Kilosyaya man18:21
Langjanlots happening here Ive never seen...18:21
Kilosbut you have many tools to go online with18:21
Langjanline 1 pass 9%18:21
Kilosyou are supposed to be here everyday Langjan  18:21
Langjanline 2 test 21%18:21
Kilosmailing lists are so slow to get help18:22
Kilosit takes forever18:22
LangjanIm referring to this rogue laptops screen18:22
Langjanok take your point Kilos18:22
Kilosoh not memtest18:22
Kiloslol18:23
Kilosim too cheeky hey18:23
Kilosjust wait till i get my fibre reinforced sjambok18:23
Langjanyes memtest on the screen18:23
Kilosyou have missed lots ballie18:24
Langjanwait till you see my AWB beard18:24
Kiloslol18:24
Langjandan hol jy sambok en al18:24
Langjanlmga18:24
Kiloslol18:24
Langjanturning 72 next week, hoe oud is jy seuntjie?18:25
Kilos64 in 3 months18:25
Langjandra jy nog doeke?18:26
Kiloshee hee18:26
* inetpro sometimes has to cut the chains to prevent being sucked into in the big black IAD hole18:26
inetproKilos: ^^18:26
Langjanek dra hulle weer...18:26
Kilosja man size pampers18:26
Kilosinetpro  what kinda hole?18:26
inetproInternet Addiction Disorder18:27
Kilosai!18:27
Kilosi got that i think18:27
Kilosdays are long when the power is off18:27
LangjanI see theres a technology detox facility these days 18:27
Kiloslol18:28
Kilos4lb hammer to the skull18:28
inetproKilos: so will you be attending the meeting?18:29
Langjandigital detox: http://digitaldetox.org/camp-grounded/18:29
Kiloswhat meeting inetpro  ?18:30
inetproai!18:30
inetproyour memory that short?18:30
Kilosi have too much happening here18:30
inetproLangjan: please fix his memory as well!18:30
inetprowhile you're at it18:30
Kilostrying to sort sisters 3g modem that she broke a sim card in18:31
inetproKilos-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda18:31
Kilosoh that18:31
LangjanNo cure for that problem18:31
Kilosi started reading18:31
KilosThe next meeting is scheduled for 19th March and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.ubuntu.com.18:32
Kilosthat one18:32
Kilosi dont have that irc connection18:32
Kilosdoes freenode go to the same place18:32
LangjanWhat should this memtest reveal? 18:33
Kilosit will tell you if ram is faulty18:33
Kilostells you how many errors18:33
LangjanOK but I have replaced the RAM with that from my own laptop18:33
inetproMaaz: when is 2015-03-19 17:00 GMT in SAST18:34
Maazinetpro: 2015-03-19 17:00:00 GMT is 2015-03-19 19:00:00 SAST18:34
inetproKilos: ^^18:34
inetproKilos: yes18:34
Kilossjoe18:35
inetproirc.ubuntu.com  canonical name = chat.freenode.net18:35
Kilosoh yay18:36
Kilosare you attending inetpro  ?18:36
inetproKilos: uh18:36
KilosMaaz  uh18:36
MaazKilos: just forget mentioning it18:36
Kiloslol18:36
LangjanKilos is there any point for memtest, considering that I have inserted RAM from my machine? 18:37
Kilosnot if its your good ram Langjan  18:37
Langjanwell I have never had a problem18:37
Kilosthen its some other hardware prob18:37
Langjanthats what I think18:37
Kilosthat leaves cpu and drive18:38
Kilosbut its going fine now18:38
Langjanwhat does that mean? 18:38
inetproLangjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memtest8618:38
Langjanit was freezing while booted on CD18:38
Kiloswas freezing18:39
Kilosnow with your ram in?18:39
Langjanyes18:39
Kilosstill freezing?18:40
Kilosso its drive or cpu18:40
Langjanis there a way to find out which?18:40
inetproit froze while doing a memtest?18:40
Langjanno, before that when it was running on ubuntu18:41
LangjanI was doing system test when it froze18:42
inetproLangjan: disconnect the HDD and try again18:42
Kilosbut that cpu and memory usage was high 18:42
Langjandisconnect hard drive and boot on CD?18:43
inetproLangjan: yes18:43
Langjanthen do system test or what?18:43
inetprounfortunately you can't diconnect the CPU and try again18:43
inetprothe HDD is not needed for a boot from CD18:43
LangjanOK so if it runs fine on cd with no hdd it indicates bad hdd, if not it indicates bad cpu? 18:44
Kilosoh my inetpro  membership board meeting on the 19th18:46
inetproLangjan: not necesarily 18:46
LangjanOK Inetpro, will do - taking one step at a time.  18:47
inetprojust keep using the process of elimination18:47
Kiloscant be so quick when the cutoff for applications is the 29th18:47
magespawninetpro: kind of ironic that they advertise a camp like that on the internet18:48
inetpromagespawn: camp?18:48
magespawnsorry, was Langjan who brought it up18:49
magespawnhttp://digitaldetox.org/camp-grounded/18:49
inetproah18:49
inetproLangjan: it could also be a overheating CPU18:51
inetprohave you cleaned the dust?18:51
Kilosinetpro  membership candidates looks good 18:51
KilosStarting 2008-04-15, membership applications will be handled by regional teams, delegated by the Community Council18:52
Kilosso i get to question you18:52
Kiloshee hee18:52
Kilosohi superfly  18:52
Kiloswe can rib the pro18:53
superflyhi Kilos18:53
* inetpro shall have to get him fired first18:54
superflyKilos: no, I don't think so. that says "starting 2008"18:54
inetprolol18:54
Kilosaw18:54
* Kilos cries18:54
Kiloswas looking forward to riding his nerves a bit18:54
* inetpro has no nerves to ride18:56
Kilosyaya18:56
Kilosmagespawn  what have you done about applying for membership18:57
Kilos2008 is too far away18:57
LangjanInetpro, there was hardly any discernible dust. Now booting on cd with hdd disconnected19:07
kulelu88mondays are always kak19:19
magespawnKilos: not much19:20
Kilossjoe19:20
magespawn2008 too far away?19:20
LangjanOK Inetro and kilos, I'm running system monitor on live cd again, cpu stsrted on 80%, now running on 60%, memory on 28% 19:20
magespawnright19:20
kulelu88Langjan: old machine??19:20
Kilosill be too old then magespawn  19:21
Langjanits a proline w76s, probably about 5 years19:22
Langjancame with windows 719:22
magespawnKilos: i am sorry, am i missing something?19:24
Kilosum19:24
kulelu88not too old. about 4GB DDR3 ram?19:24
Kilosoh ya you cant wait till 2008 when the decision for ubuntu membership will be decided by the loco19:24
Kilosif i read it right19:25
magespawn2008?19:25
LangjanNo it is on 2Gb which is, I think, the max it can take19:25
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda19:25
kulelu88I don't get how 2008 is too far away??19:25
Kilosyou arent 63 kulelu88  19:25
Kilosmany of my school mates are already in the happy hunting grounds19:26
kulelu88dead already? 63 is young though19:27
kulelu88unless they had those wives ... you know ...19:27
Kiloslol19:27
LangjanInetpro, Kilos, it seems to be running fine on CD with hdd disconnected19:29
inetproLangjan: interesting19:29
KilosLife expectancy in South Africa rises to 6019:29
Kilosunhappy drive it seems then Langjan  19:29
kulelu88oom I don't think you fit into the average.19:29
Kiloslet it run more19:29
inetproKilos: btw, watch out for speedtest 19:29
kulelu88you've got at least 15 more years :D19:30
Kiloskulelu88  ive already been dead so i cheat19:30
kulelu88Langjan: try connecting the HDD to another machine to test it19:30
Kiloswhy inetpro  19:30
kulelu88you died oom? 19:30
Kilosya19:30
Kilos98 already19:30
inetproKilos: looks like every time you run it you effectively download a file of size bigger than 50MB19:30
Kiloshad a reboot19:30
kulelu88how you died?19:30
Kiloswow19:31
Kiloswindmill shaft uncoupled and bust my head open19:31
kulelu88heh :O19:32
Langjanwhy do you  guys call a windpump a windmill? 19:32
Kiloslol19:32
kulelu88oom I hope that is not the reason you have no more hair :-/19:32
Kiloswindmill was a used word before afrikaans was invented19:32
kulelu88:D 19:33
Kilosi still have more hair the=an my 40 year old son19:33
kulelu88:'D 19:33
magespawnnah kulelu88 that is just age, and hair cut19:33
Langjanno windmills in SA that I know of 19:33
kulelu88oom you had kids young also. 19:33
kulelu88different generation completely19:33
Kilosi just save money by cutting it myself with a w3ahl19:33
Langjanso what did the british mill with the wind? 19:33
Kilos25 for ian ya19:34
kulelu88Langjan: bly jy in die hart van Pretoria?19:34
Kiloswheat Langjan  19:34
Langjannee in die hart van Warmbad19:34
Kiloslol19:34
Langjanwaar staan daai windmeul Kilos? 19:34
kulelu88aah, waar die mense wil kom vir easter weekend en almal gaan in die pools piss maak19:34
Kilosin the movies19:35
Langjanja van Gauteng af, dan bly ons locals ver weg19:35
Langjandaar het een in Kaapstad gestaan wat koring maal, maar hy het met water gewerk19:36
kulelu88oom have you been to warmbaths?19:36
KilosLangjan  how large is that drive19:36
Langjan160Gb19:36
Kilosya we used to race bikes from pta to warnbaths every weekend19:36
Langjanno sorry, 250 Gb19:36
Kilosyou can not use the first 30g and then install ubuntu19:37
Kilosmost drives give probs in their beginnings19:37
kulelu88not the town oom. the waterpark.19:37
Kilosbut i have a command that will check it for you19:37
Kilosya we used to go swim after the dice19:38
Langjanyou mean partition it?19:38
Kilosyes19:38
kulelu88wat a lekker life you had oom. surfer, lifeguard, biker, etc.19:38
Kiloslol19:38
Kilosi have had a good life19:38
Kiloslast 16 with pain thoug19:39
LangjanWell, let me try that, fresh install...again19:39
Kilosthough19:39
Kiloswait jan19:39
Kilosfirst check it19:39
kulelu88the rest of us are hustling day in day out 19:39
Langjanhow to check it?19:39
Kilosim looking for the command19:40
Kilospatience oom19:40
Langjana virtue19:40
magespawnKilos: i will do something about membership, i am off to bed, good night all19:40
Kilosnight magespawn  19:41
Langjanlekker slaap magespawn19:41
Kilosoom Langjan   replace the drive and see if it boots19:42
Kilosis so run sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result19:42
kulelu88oom Langjan ?? heh, how is oom calling someone else an oom 19:43
LangjanOK but why should it not boot?19:43
LangjanWant hierdie is 'n egte regte oom19:43
Kiloshe is 8 years older than me19:43
Langjanand 2 months19:43
kulelu88yoh19:43
Kiloslol and 2 months note19:43
kulelu88nou het ons twee ooms op ubuntu za19:43
kulelu88and I thought we'd struggle to get older folks involved with ubuntu19:44
Langjanja een jongetjie en een regte een19:44
Kiloshaha19:44
Kilosok Langjan  boot into it and only run that command19:44
Kilosnothing else19:44
kulelu88good to meet you oom Langjan 19:45
LangjanI have three ubuntu converts in Warmbad all over 60, one over 7019:45
Kiloswell done oom19:45
Kilosinvite them here19:46
Langjangood to meet you also kulelu8819:46
kulelu88it's very easy to use linux these days. plug n play 19:46
kulelu88nobody can make CLI excuses anymore19:46
Langjanthey have little time for kids games...19:46
* inetpro wonders about the age of the oldest fellow with official ubuntu membership19:46
Kiloslol19:46
Kilosinteresting thought19:46
Kilosill ask them next month19:47
inetpronext month?19:47
Kilosya when my sjambok is reinforced19:47
inetproisn't the next meeting like in 3 days time?19:47
Kilosif they say no i go back to windowsa19:48
Kilosnot just meeting man one of the stress meets19:48
kulelu88well oom Langjan is the oldest here. 19:48
inetprowhy even wait for a meeting to ask such question?19:48
kulelu8870!19:48
Kilos7219:49
kulelu88oh ja. sorry19:49
kulelu88im getting old also19:49
Kilosi cant ask that kind of questions now19:49
inetproai!19:49
Kilosthey must think im a seroius dude19:49
Kiloslol19:49
Kilosthat wxl is also going for it19:50
Kilosand he does lots19:50
Kilosive learned to look at peeps wiki pages19:51
KilosLangjan  tell me what it finds hey19:52
Kilosif it finds none then we zero the drive and then install afresh19:54
Langjankilos it says No such file or directory while trying to determine device size 19:54
Kilosis the drive plugged in?19:55
Kilossda must be there19:55
Langjanthe machine is running on the drive19:56
Kiloscheck you typed command right19:56
Langjantyped it exactly like you said19:57
Kiloswow19:57
Kilosrun gparted19:57
Kilosthat will tell you what the drive is called19:58
Kilosi think19:58
Langjansudo badblocks -v /dev/sdal > bad-blocks-result19:58
Kilossudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result19:58
* inetpro calls for a halt19:58
Kilosya looks same19:58
inetprogood night everyone19:58
Kilosok we halt19:58
Kilosnight inetpro  19:59
Kilossleep tight19:59
Langjanrest well inetpro19:59
kulelu88night inetpro 19:59
inetprouh btw, sdal != sda119:59
Kiloswow how can there be no sda20:00
Kilosya one20:00
inetpro!= means NOT EQUAL TO20:00
Kiloswhere did you see that20:01
inetproKilos: 03/16 21:59:56 <inetpro> uh btw, sdal != sda120:01
Kilosoom jan20:01
Langjanja20:01
Kilossudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result20:01
Langjanyes kilos, ok thks will try that20:02
Langjanits the same as last time20:02
Kiloswow20:02
Kilossomething corrupt there20:03
Kiloswhat does gparted show you20:03
Langjanoh, sda1 not sdal20:03
Kilosya man 1 as in one20:03
Kiloseen ein20:04
Langjanthats better, its checking...20:05
Langjanhow long to wait?20:05
Kilosnot too long20:06
Kiloshttp://slexy.org/view/s2rY2D1pxE20:07
Kilosthere is what happens20:07
Kilosand how fsck remembers then20:08
Kilosbut if this works and pc is good it means you need a new drive20:09
Kilosjust not immediately20:09
Langjanthere are 242 million blocks to check, your last few comments are a bit cryptic, please elucidate20:10
Kiloslol20:11
Kilosdoes it say where it is now20:11
Kiloslol20:11
Kilosi did that on a 1TB drive20:11
Langjanno it just says checking for bad blocks (read-only test)20:13
Kilosi mean also if it finds badblocks and marks them you can still use the drive but once badblocks start they have a habit of becoming more20:13
LangjanOk so if no bad blocks then the drive is OK? 20:14
Kilosi have a 1TB drive that i had to partition so it doesnt use they first 50g at all20:14
Kilosyip normally20:14
Kilosthen something is just corrupt 20:15
Kiloscould be win7 left something bad in the mbr20:15
Kiloszeroing the drive makes it like a new one, no mbr or anything else20:15
Langjanwhat is zeroing the drive?20:17
Kilosit wipes everything20:17
Langjanand what is mbr?20:17
Kilosmaster boot record20:17
LangjanWhat is it that wipes everything? 20:18
Kilossmall section that tells pc what to boot20:18
Kiloswrites zeroes to everything20:18
LangjanIs the "it" you refer to the process now running? 20:18
Kilossame as a brand new drive20:18
Kilosoh lemme read20:19
Kiloszeroing is a command that writes zeroes to thew hole drive in seconds20:19
Langjanso what does that have to do with what we are doing now? Is it a next step?20:20
Kilosif bad blocks finds nothing bad then the drive should still be good20:21
Kilosso zeroing will remove whatever was corrupt20:21
Langjanok but where does the zeroing that you refer to come in?20:22
Kilosand you get a new mbr from the bios and then install ubuntu and there should be no trace of win7 left20:22
Kilosif the drive is good but giving your problems something is corrupt somewhere20:22
LangjanKilos is the process that is running now what you call zeroing? 20:23
Kilosnono20:23
Kilosthis is looking for physical bad sectors20:24
Langjanoh, ok so when will I know it is finished?20:24
Kiloswhew i dunno how long it is going to take, you can go sleep so long and we go on tomorrow if you like20:25
LangjanWell perhaps thats not a bad idea, it may take a while to work thro 250 GB 20:26
Kilosjust plug the charger in so pc dont die half way20:26
Langjandone20:26
Kilosok lets go crash then20:26
LangjanIncidentally, the ssd was for my desktop, this rogue belongs to one of my Ubuntu converts20:27
LangjanMany thanks so far, Kilos, sleep well 20:28
Kilosyou too my oompie20:28
Kilosaha20:28
Kiloslekker slaap20:28
Langjandankkie jy ook20:28
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:28

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