[05:28] <Kilos> morning all
[05:45] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[05:46] <barrydk> More Kilos en almal
[06:09] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[06:09] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:12] <Padroni> morning
[06:12] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[06:12] <Padroni> hi
[06:13] <Padroni> how are you?
[06:13] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[06:15] <Padroni> I'm good
[06:37] <magespawn> good morning
[06:37] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell magespawn there is no ant-malware that will help for someone like tannie malware" 1 day, 12 hours, 18 minutes and 44 seconds ago
[06:37] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[06:37] <Kilos> haha
[06:38] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[06:38] <magespawn> that is a truth
[06:52] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:53] <magespawn> hi inetpro 
[06:55] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[07:03] <Symmetria> anyone here who can comment someone who wants a contract to do security auditing on linux boxes and who knows what the hell they are doing 
[07:07] <magespawn> Symmetria: i would love to do it, but i would be completly out of my depth
[07:29] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[07:29] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[07:34] <Kilos> hi Rynomster  
[07:42] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[07:46] <Squirm> morning
[07:46] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[08:26] <Padroni> why so quiet?
[08:35] <Kilos> been outside digging in storeroom
[08:44] <Padroni> hi Kerbero
[08:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:48] <Kilos> ha you the hopper today Padroni_  
[08:48] <Padroni_> lol
[09:01] <lin_> Hello guys.
[09:01] <Kilos> hi lin
[09:01] <lin_> All good, kilos
[09:01] <lin_> All good
[09:01] <Kilos> good
[09:01] <lin_> So I figure you live in SA, right, Kilos ?
[09:02] <lin_> We might meet soon.
[09:02] <lin_> Will be coming there for flight training
[09:02] <Kilos> thats right near pretoria and you ?
[09:02] <lin_> I'm in Kenya for now..
[09:02] <lin_> But when I come..
[09:02] <lin_> It'll be at Cape Town...
[09:03] <Kilos> aha thats not far from here
[09:03] <Kilos> about 1000ks
[09:03] <Kilos> haha
[09:03] <lin_> Some braai shortens the distance,
[09:03] <lin_> lol
[09:03] <Kilos> hey lin if you in kenya you should also join the africa channel
[09:03] <lin_> Cool
[09:04] <Kilos> #ubuntu-africa
[09:04] <lin_> Thanks for the reminder.
[09:04] <lin_> I had lost the previous config for the xchat client
[09:04] <Kilos> im trying to pull the ubuntu users out of nairobilug
[09:04] <Kilos> aha
[09:05] <Kilos> actually they can still be with the lug but with the buntu peeps as well
[09:05] <lin_> meh
[09:05] <lin_> Not that I'm an ubuntu fan but..I like the guys.
[09:05] <lin_> The community
[09:05] <Kilos> oh yes we are the best
[09:06] <Kilos> you are welcome here by us
[09:06] <Kilos> what system do you use?
[09:06] <lin_> Arch Linux
[09:06] <lin_> On all systems
[09:06] <Kilos> whew you one of the clever guys
[09:08] <lin_> meh
[09:08] <lin_> I like rolling releases
[09:08] <Kilos> i use kubuntu so i dont have to think much
[09:08] <lin_> I also like gentoo
[09:08] <lin_> A lot
[09:08] <Kilos> lol
[09:08] <lin_> But of late, haven't used it much
[09:08] <lin_> Arch is faster to set up compared to gentoo
[09:09] <Kilos> kde just works
[09:09] <lin_> lolzzzz
[09:09] <Kilos> hehe
[09:09] <lin_> Consuming a junkload of RAM in the process.
[09:09] <Kilos> not too bad
[09:10] <lin_> I like the way it handles multiple monitors though
[09:10] <lin_> Painless setup/
[09:10] <lin_> Can't say the same with xfce
[09:10] <Kilos> im running it on a dual core with 4g ram
[09:10] <lin_> I'm a minimalist though
[09:10] <lin_> What are your full specs?
[09:10] <Kilos> ya but you have to think more
[09:10] <lin_> lol
[09:11] <Kilos> 3g dual core with 4g ddr3
[09:11] <lin_> 3g...umm...
[09:11] <lin_> You lost me there..
[09:11] <Kilos> 3 gig
[09:11] <lin_> oh
[09:11] <lin_> I have 32 GB of RAM
[09:12] <Kilos> whew
[09:12] <lin_> An Intel Core i7 4700HQ
[09:12] <Kilos> lovelly
[09:12] <lin_> 4 cores. 8 threads
[09:12] <lin_> NVIDIA GTX 980M SLI
[09:12] <lin_> 3 1 TB M.2 SSDs configured in RAID 0 
[09:13] <Kilos> whew when you fly over here to capetown drop it out over pretoria
[09:13] <Kilos> ill catch
[09:13] <lin_> And another 2 TB for storage
[09:13] <Kilos> wow
[09:13] <lin_> I use this rig for gaming + video editing
[09:13] <Kilos> cool
[09:14] <lin_> And compiling Android ROMs + ChromiumOS
[09:14] <Kilos> i could most likely take off with something like that
[09:14] <lin_> These projects require a shitload of RAM
[09:15] <Kilos> i wouldnt have thought anything couls slow that setup down much
[09:15] <Kilos> could
[09:16] <lin_> There are things that bring it to a halt
[09:16] <lin_> Like the Meson build system
[09:16] <lin_> And building Android
[09:16] <Kilos> wow
[09:17] <lin_> breakfast find5-userdebug && mka
[09:17] <Kilos> only building i do is block on block in minetest
[09:17] <lin_> lol
[09:17] <lin_> lol
[09:17] <lin_> lolzzzzzzz
[09:20] <Kilos> when you are bored get some more guys to join #ubuntu-africa
[09:20] <lin_> I will
[09:21] <Kilos> and search out all the ubuntu users in your area if possible
[09:21] <lin_> hehehe
[09:21] <lin_> nice
[09:21] <Kilos> you arch guys suppress them i think
[09:21] <lin_> nope
[09:21] <Kilos> lol ty
[09:21] <lin_> Probably not
[09:21] <lin_> most of the guys I know run some variant of Ubuntu and Fedora
[09:22] <Kilos> oh and also if you know of any in other countries in africa invite them too please
[09:22] <lin_> ;-0
[09:22] <lin_> ;-)
[09:26] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[09:26] <magellanic> greets
[09:35] <Padroni> hi
[09:41] <Kilos> lin_  are you coming here for pilot training or just to have wings glued on to you
[09:46] <lin_> Pilot training.
[09:46] <lin_> lol
[09:46] <Kilos> cool
[10:54] <Langjan> Hi Kilos
[10:54] <Kilos> hi Langjan  
[10:54] <Langjan> hoesit
[10:54] <Kilos> good ty and you
[10:55] <Kilos> gimme one minute
[10:55] <Langjan> well thks
[10:55] <Langjan> yu got two
[10:55] <Padroni> hi Langjan
[10:56] <Langjan> Hi Padroni, you OK?
[10:56] <Kilos> lol my eyes were floating
[10:56] <Padroni> I/m good thanx
[10:57] <Kilos> ok Langjan  is it still hanging?
[10:57] <Langjan> It plays around like liquorice allsorts
[10:58] <Langjan> sometime hangs and gets up again other tmes it has to be powered off
[10:58] <Kilos> does it only do it when you have certain things running
[10:58] <Langjan> then screen goes blank, have to rebot to get icons back on screen
[10:58] <Kilos> ok have you got an error message for us
[10:58] <Langjan> no discernible pattern re apps
[10:59] <Langjan> I got long error messages this morning, could not get them down before it shut down again
[10:59] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[11:00] <Kilos> hopefully he knows how to find it
[11:00] <Kilos> Padroni  ideas, lappy hanging at odd times
[11:01] <Padroni> could be any of a numbe of things
[11:01] <Padroni> Since it is a laptop, I would look at overheating first
[11:01] <Kilos> Langjan  are you on it now
[11:01] <Langjan> Yes, the fan seems to come on and go off
[11:01] <Padroni> get a system monitor app and monitor the temperature
[11:02] <Padroni> It could also be faulty RAM
[11:02] <Padroni> where the alptop will work fine as long as the RAM usage is under a certain threshold, and the second it goes over that and hits a bad spot, it hangs
[11:02] <Langjan> RAM was 700Mb, upgraded to 1,7Gb (don't know where the 0,7 comes from)
[11:03] <Padroni> yeah that don't make sense
[11:03] <Padroni> Could be reporting an odd amount due to some of it being used as video memory though
[11:03] <Padroni> how many sticks of ram you got in that laptop?
[11:04] <Langjan> OK let me try to get the temp monitor going 
[11:04] <Padroni> hang on
[11:04] <Langjan> two sticks
[11:04] <Padroni> ok
[11:04] <Padroni> shut down
[11:04] <Padroni> remove the new one, and leave only the oldest one
[11:04] <Padroni> test the laptop 
[11:04] <Padroni> then do the same with the new one
[11:04] <Padroni> if it hangs on the one and not the other, you know you got a bad stick in the equation
[11:04] <Padroni> replace it then
[11:05] <Langjan> OK thks awill try that
[11:05] <Kilos> Padroni  he is my oom
[11:06] <Langjan> Ja nefie
[11:06] <Padroni> ah ok
[11:06] <Padroni> you can also run the memory test from Grub menu when you boot up
[11:06] <Kilos> not often there is someone here older than me hehe
[11:06] <Padroni> if memory test hangs you know you got bad RAM
[11:07] <Langjan> How do I do that? Remember Miles calls me oompie
[11:07] <Kilos> isnt there a command that will find the error message
[11:07] <Kilos> like tail /var/log/syslog
[11:07] <Kilos> oh
[11:08] <Kilos> when you boot do you see the grub menu Langjan  
[11:08] <Langjan> Do I run that comand in the terminal? You say when I boot up...
[11:08] <Padroni> no dude
[11:09] <Padroni> when you boot up, you get a menu which gives you a choice of booting linux or running a memory test
[11:09] <Kilos> im thinking of when it hangs a while then goes again
[11:09] <Padroni> that is the test we are referring to
[11:10] <Padroni> could be memory usage comes down or gets written to swap space ?
[11:10] <Langjan> There is no such option that shows when I boot up
[11:12] <Langjan> Now it restarted with the launcher in the middle of the screen and showing two half screens. As I said, liquorice allsorts 
[11:12] <Kilos> ok so we need to make it show the grub menu to start with Padroni  
[11:13] <Kilos> Langjan  http://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[11:13] <Langjan> Maybe I should do the test of RAM sticks first?
[11:13] <Kilos> ya do that 
[11:13] <Kilos> one step at a time hey
[11:14] <Langjan> Restarted again, screen back to normal
[11:14] <Langjan> OK will do and get back some time 
[11:14] <Kilos> ok good luck
[11:14] <Langjan> thks
[11:15] <Kilos> Langjan  
[11:15] <Kilos> maybe it is the old ram if the last owner was complaining about same prob
[11:15] <Langjan> OK will try with the new one only first
[11:16] <Langjan> Good point
[11:16] <Langjan> Also suspicious with 700Mb...
[11:17] <Kilos> ya something not right there
[11:17] <Kilos> what was in it and what did you add
[11:17] <Kilos> 512m each?
[11:31] <Langjan> Kilos the original stick is 1Gb, in the machine it showed 700Mb, I added  1Gb and it showed 1,7Gb.  
[11:31] <Kilos> ah
[11:32] <Langjan> Now I removed the old one and put the new 1GB in the bottom slot, it shows 746Mb, so it seems the slot is not picking up all the memory...
[11:33] <Kilos> i dont know lappies at all. what happens if you put it in the second slot
[11:33] <Kilos> or must the primary slot be used first
[11:33] <Padroni> 1Gb RAM would loose only 64Mb to video memory
[11:33] <Padroni> by default
[11:33] <Padroni> so it can't be that
[11:40]  * Squirm looks around
[11:40] <Squirm> 'lo
[11:40] <Kilos> lo Squirm  
[11:42] <Langjan> I noticed that the battery was loose on one side when I removed it, however, that would not have affected the RAM pickup but could possibly have contributed to the messing around? 
[11:42] <Kilos> sjo
[11:52] <Langjan> It picks up 746Mb of RAM from both 1GB sticks in both slots 
[11:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:53] <Kilos> try run it with the new one and see if it hangs
[11:58] <Langjan> Then it picks up 1,7Gb with both sticks. So 746 plus 746 adds up to 1700 - does not make sense. I will try just the one Kilos, but its very sluggish then. 
[11:58] <Kilos> ya but lets find if we can get it stable first 
[11:59] <Langjan> OK guys, many thanks for now, I have to run. Will let you know what is happening. 
[12:00] <Kilos> ty Padroni  
[12:03] <Padroni>  ok
[12:59] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  
[12:59] <Mopkop> Hello again!
[12:59] <Kilos> oh my
[12:59] <Kilos> wb Padroni  
[13:00] <Kilos> of both of you
[13:00] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[13:00] <Mopkop> Hello Padroni, kulelu88!
[13:00] <kulelu88> Hi
[13:00] <Mopkop> So I started learning Python...
[13:01] <kulelu88> Python <3
[13:02] <Kilos> good
[13:03] <Kilos> oh my they both died
[13:52] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd  
[13:52] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos, Hi all.
[13:53]  * zerlgi lolz as nick goes from top to bottom of list.
[13:53] <zerlgi> (almost top)
[13:54] <Kilos> zerlgi  wb lad
[13:54] <zerlgi> ty, Kilos.
[13:58] <Kilos> see how many we are here
[13:59] <Kilos> at last we are growing
[14:02] <kulelu88> if this group hits 200 before 2015 ends, I will eat my shoe
[14:03] <Kilos> nono man 200 is too much
[14:03] <Kilos> 50 is good
[14:04]  * zerlgi calls renta-IRC-crowd so that we can watch kulelu88 eat his shoe ;-)
[14:04] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:07]  * kulelu88 thinks zerlgi is part of modern political organization that rents crowds :D
[14:08] <Kilos> lol
[14:10] <zerlgi> kulelu88 +1
[14:23] <magellanic> heya zerlgi 
[14:26] <zerlgi> heyz magellanic
[14:52] <Squirm> Hmm
[14:52] <Squirm> We upgraded our internet
[14:52] <Squirm> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4218249529
[14:56] <kulelu88> dahell? upload speed is double?
[14:57] <Kilos> wow
[15:15] <Kilos> wb Padroni  
[15:16] <Padroni> ty
[15:16] <Padroni> Shift #2 now
[15:16]  * Padroni sighs
[15:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:17] <Squirm> kulelu88_away: I think they're equal, but download is always being used in this company
[15:45] <Kilos-> sorry, was testing a whizzy thing
[15:56] <Squirm> Home
[16:09] <kulelu88> it must be 40MBs VDSL or maybe even fibre
[16:16] <inetpro> Squirm: have you seen this?: http://xmodulo.com/check-internet-speed-command-line-linux.html
[16:16] <inetpro> much nicer to test on the cli
[16:26] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:35] <Padroni> anyone seen the series Vikings?
[16:36] <Squirm> kulelu88: we have fibre
[16:37] <Squirm> Thanks inetpro, will have a look
[16:37] <Kilos> works well
[16:39] <Kilos> ty inetpro  
[16:39] <Kilos> better than using a browser
[16:44] <Padroni> guess not
[16:44] <Kilos> ive just seen it advertised
[16:45] <Kilos> wb Langjan  whats news
[16:45] <kulelu88> Padroni: I watched 1 episode. not too great
[16:45] <kulelu88> almal op ubuntu-za is clients van axxess :D
[16:45] <Padroni> You never judge a series based on 1 episode
[16:46] <Padroni> you have to watch at least 3 
[16:46] <Kilos> kulelu88  ?
[16:46] <kulelu88> Padroni: It's kind of like a budget version of Game of thrones
[16:46] <kulelu88> Kilos: a lot of the people are Axxess clients :-/
[16:46] <Kilos> ah
[16:47] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, I have fitted my laptop's 2GBRam, no change. Everything goes haywire, the desktop loses all icons and menus, shows peculiar windows, freezes. 
[16:47] <Kilos> from scratch or once warmed up?
[16:48] <Langjan> One pattern seems to be emerging, the total loss of all on the desktop except for the picture
[16:48] <Langjan> From scratch
[16:49] <Langjan> It still picks up only 1,7Gb of RAM via 2x1Gb.
[16:50] <Kilos> how clean are all the connections where the ram goes in
[16:50] <Padroni> that won't matter
[16:50] <Kilos> another idea
[16:50] <Padroni> RAM will either work or it will not
[16:50] <Kilos> boot from dvd and see if it does the same thing
[16:51] <Kilos> run kive from dvd
[16:51] <Kilos> live
[16:51] <Padroni> Did you test the memory Langjan
[16:54] <Langjan> Padroni, grub menu does not appear so no test option on startup
[16:56] <Langjan> 'scuse me guys, just having dinner with my lady
[16:56] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:56] <Padroni> the boot up with a live cd and memtest from there
[16:56] <Padroni> we told you this earlier already?
[16:57] <Kilos> he may forget things
[16:57] <Kilos> i think he is 10 years older than me
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat also as well too
[17:30] <Kilos> i might go off for a while
[17:40] <Langjan> Padroni I'm running on live CD, is it the system test that you want me to do?
[17:41] <Padroni> memory test
[17:45] <Langjan> where do I do memory test?
[17:48] <Kilos-> hmm...
[17:51] <Langjan> while running system test manager booted on live CD the system froze again 
[17:52] <Squirm> in the livecd boot menu, select memtest
[17:52] <Kilos-> oh my
[17:53] <Langjan> excuse my idiocy but I have never seen memtest selection in live boot menu, where do I find live boot menu?  
[17:54] <Squirm> gnight all
[17:54] <Langjan> Its frozen again must I power off and reboot on CD?
[17:54] <Squirm> ah, but you don't see the grub menu
[17:54] <Langjan> gnight squirm
[17:54] <Kilos-> night Squirm  
[17:55] <Squirm> memtest in in the grub menu, as  Padroni mentioned
[17:55] <Squirm> gone
[17:55] <Squirm> *gone
[17:55] <Langjan> no grub menu on normal boot nor on live CD boot
[17:55] <Kilos-> yes jan boot from dvd and then choose memtest
[17:55] <Langjan> where do I find memtest Kilos?
[17:56] <Kilos-> you um
[17:56] <Langjan> um
[17:56] <Langjan> ?
[17:56] <Kilos-> where it asks to install or run live there should be memtest there as well
[17:56] <Langjan> never seen that, but getting there, will check
[17:57] <Kilos-> ive been off unity for so long now i forget some stuffs
[17:57] <Kilos-> about a year on kde only
[17:58] <Kilos-> oh somewhere it says disk check but that checks the dvd
[17:59] <Kilos-> i have a 10.04 cd here let me boot other pc on it
[18:01] <Langjan> options are try, install or read release notes
[18:01] <Kilos-> ai!
[18:02] <Kilos-> somewhere used to be a mamtest
[18:02] <Kilos-> memtest too
[18:03] <Langjan> no mam or memtest here that I can see...
[18:03] <Kilos-> lol
[18:03] <Langjan> haha
[18:03] <Kilos-> ai! other pc so slow
[18:05] <Langjan> I tried to install psensor to check temps, but it froze halfway...
[18:06] <Kilos-> while you are online try http://askubuntu.com/questions/489862/how-to-install-boot-repair-tool-in-ubuntu-14-04-live
[18:06] <Kilos-> lets see if we can at least get it booting
[18:07] <Kilos-> my 10.04 didnt show memtest either
[18:08] <Kilos-> someone stole it
[18:09] <Kilos-> trying the install route now
[18:10] <magespawn> good evening
[18:10] <Kilos-> hi magespawn  
[18:10] <magespawn> hey K
[18:10] <magespawn> Kilos-: too
[18:10] <Kilos-> lol
[18:11] <magespawn> inetpro thanks for that speedtest-cli link
[18:11] <Kilos-> was just gonna say wow you are really getting lazy
[18:11] <magespawn> efficient
[18:11] <Kilos-> works lekker hey
[18:11] <Kilos-> the pro has his moments
[18:11] <Langjan> its booting ok
[18:12] <Langjan> Im into the system monitor if that can help?
[18:12] <Kilos-> has it booted
[18:12] <Langjan> cpu running at 60%
[18:12] <Kilos-> wow
[18:12] <Langjan> yes it boots ok
[18:13] <Langjan> never had a problem with booting, the only way to get it goinh asfter freeze is to reboot
[18:13] <Kilos-> did you get it with the ssd in?
[18:14] <Langjan> memory running at about 40% 
[18:14] <Langjan> ssd?
[18:14] <Kilos-> oh isnt that the one with the solid state drive in?
[18:14] <inetpro> good evening
[18:15] <inetpro> Langjan: As the CD boots, the user can gain access to the advanced page and its options by pressing any key when the small logo appears at the bottom of your screen: 
[18:15] <Kilos-> hi inetpro  
[18:15] <Langjan> no ssd that I know about, no its my machine that has the ssd, the one I'm chatting on 
[18:15]  * Kilos- lets mr fixit take over
[18:15] <inetpro> Test memory: 1. Initiates a Memtest86+ test. 2. Pressing ESC terminates the test.  
[18:16] <Langjan> ok must I reboot again to get to the advanced page? 
[18:16]  * inetpro reading from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[18:17] <Langjan> OK into test memory
[18:18] <Kilos-> it takes long
[18:19] <inetpro> Kilos-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[18:19] <Kilos-> ty inetpro  
[18:19] <inetpro> Kilos-: btw, please fix your funny tail!
[18:19] <Kilos-> oops sorry
[18:19] <Kilos-> darem nie n sleep stert nie
[18:20] <inetpro> ai!
[18:20] <inetpro> dankie tog
[18:20]  * inetpro recognises the face now
[18:20] <Kilos> lol small things bug you hey
[18:20] <inetpro> why you say I ignore you?
[18:20] <Kilos> ya the one you ignore most of the time
[18:20]  * inetpro has a life
[18:21] <Kilos> yaya man
[18:21] <Langjan> lots happening here Ive never seen...
[18:21] <Kilos> but you have many tools to go online with
[18:21] <Langjan> line 1 pass 9%
[18:21] <Kilos> you are supposed to be here everyday Langjan  
[18:21] <Langjan> line 2 test 21%
[18:22] <Kilos> mailing lists are so slow to get help
[18:22] <Kilos> it takes forever
[18:22] <Langjan> Im referring to this rogue laptops screen
[18:22] <Langjan> ok take your point Kilos
[18:22] <Kilos> oh not memtest
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <Kilos> im too cheeky hey
[18:23] <Kilos> just wait till i get my fibre reinforced sjambok
[18:23] <Langjan> yes memtest on the screen
[18:24] <Kilos> you have missed lots ballie
[18:24] <Langjan> wait till you see my AWB beard
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <Langjan> dan hol jy sambok en al
[18:24] <Langjan> lmga
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:25] <Langjan> turning 72 next week, hoe oud is jy seuntjie?
[18:25] <Kilos> 64 in 3 months
[18:26] <Langjan> dra jy nog doeke?
[18:26] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:26]  * inetpro sometimes has to cut the chains to prevent being sucked into in the big black IAD hole
[18:26] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[18:26] <Langjan> ek dra hulle weer...
[18:26] <Kilos> ja man size pampers
[18:26] <Kilos> inetpro  what kinda hole?
[18:27] <inetpro> Internet Addiction Disorder
[18:27] <Kilos> ai!
[18:27] <Kilos> i got that i think
[18:27] <Kilos> days are long when the power is off
[18:27] <Langjan> I see theres a technology detox facility these days 
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <Kilos> 4lb hammer to the skull
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: so will you be attending the meeting?
[18:29] <Langjan> digital detox: http://digitaldetox.org/camp-grounded/
[18:30] <Kilos> what meeting inetpro  ?
[18:30] <inetpro> ai!
[18:30] <inetpro> your memory that short?
[18:30] <Kilos> i have too much happening here
[18:30] <inetpro> Langjan: please fix his memory as well!
[18:30] <inetpro> while you're at it
[18:31] <Kilos> trying to sort sisters 3g modem that she broke a sim card in
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[18:31] <Kilos> oh that
[18:31] <Langjan> No cure for that problem
[18:31] <Kilos> i started reading
[18:32] <Kilos> The next meeting is scheduled for 19th March and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.ubuntu.com.
[18:32] <Kilos> that one
[18:32] <Kilos> i dont have that irc connection
[18:32] <Kilos> does freenode go to the same place
[18:33] <Langjan> What should this memtest reveal? 
[18:33] <Kilos> it will tell you if ram is faulty
[18:33] <Kilos> tells you how many errors
[18:33] <Langjan> OK but I have replaced the RAM with that from my own laptop
[18:34] <inetpro> Maaz: when is 2015-03-19 17:00 GMT in SAST
[18:34] <Maaz> inetpro: 2015-03-19 17:00:00 GMT is 2015-03-19 19:00:00 SAST
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: yes
[18:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:35] <inetpro> irc.ubuntu.com  canonical name = chat.freenode.net
[18:36] <Kilos> oh yay
[18:36] <Kilos> are you attending inetpro  ?
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: uh
[18:36] <Kilos> Maaz  uh
[18:36] <Maaz> Kilos: just forget mentioning it
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <Langjan> Kilos is there any point for memtest, considering that I have inserted RAM from my machine? 
[18:37] <Kilos> not if its your good ram Langjan  
[18:37] <Langjan> well I have never had a problem
[18:37] <Kilos> then its some other hardware prob
[18:37] <Langjan> thats what I think
[18:38] <Kilos> that leaves cpu and drive
[18:38] <Kilos> but its going fine now
[18:38] <Langjan> what does that mean? 
[18:38] <inetpro> Langjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memtest86
[18:38] <Langjan> it was freezing while booted on CD
[18:39] <Kilos> was freezing
[18:39] <Kilos> now with your ram in?
[18:39] <Langjan> yes
[18:40] <Kilos> still freezing?
[18:40] <Kilos> so its drive or cpu
[18:40] <Langjan> is there a way to find out which?
[18:40] <inetpro> it froze while doing a memtest?
[18:41] <Langjan> no, before that when it was running on ubuntu
[18:42] <Langjan> I was doing system test when it froze
[18:42] <inetpro> Langjan: disconnect the HDD and try again
[18:42] <Kilos> but that cpu and memory usage was high 
[18:43] <Langjan> disconnect hard drive and boot on CD?
[18:43] <inetpro> Langjan: yes
[18:43] <Langjan> then do system test or what?
[18:43] <inetpro> unfortunately you can't diconnect the CPU and try again
[18:43] <inetpro> the HDD is not needed for a boot from CD
[18:44] <Langjan> OK so if it runs fine on cd with no hdd it indicates bad hdd, if not it indicates bad cpu? 
[18:46] <Kilos> oh my inetpro  membership board meeting on the 19th
[18:46] <inetpro> Langjan: not necesarily 
[18:47] <Langjan> OK Inetpro, will do - taking one step at a time.  
[18:47] <inetpro> just keep using the process of elimination
[18:47] <Kilos> cant be so quick when the cutoff for applications is the 29th
[18:48] <magespawn> inetpro: kind of ironic that they advertise a camp like that on the internet
[18:48] <inetpro> magespawn: camp?
[18:49] <magespawn> sorry, was Langjan who brought it up
[18:49] <magespawn> http://digitaldetox.org/camp-grounded/
[18:49] <inetpro> ah
[18:51] <inetpro> Langjan: it could also be a overheating CPU
[18:51] <inetpro> have you cleaned the dust?
[18:51] <Kilos> inetpro  membership candidates looks good 
[18:52] <Kilos> Starting 2008-04-15, membership applications will be handled by regional teams, delegated by the Community Council
[18:52] <Kilos> so i get to question you
[18:52] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:52] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[18:53] <Kilos> we can rib the pro
[18:53] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:54]  * inetpro shall have to get him fired first
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: no, I don't think so. that says "starting 2008"
[18:54] <inetpro> lol
[18:54] <Kilos> aw
[18:54]  * Kilos cries
[18:54] <Kilos> was looking forward to riding his nerves a bit
[18:56]  * inetpro has no nerves to ride
[18:56] <Kilos> yaya
[18:57] <Kilos> magespawn  what have you done about applying for membership
[18:57] <Kilos> 2008 is too far away
[19:07] <Langjan> Inetpro, there was hardly any discernible dust. Now booting on cd with hdd disconnected
[19:19] <kulelu88> mondays are always kak
[19:20] <magespawn> Kilos: not much
[19:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:20] <magespawn> 2008 too far away?
[19:20] <Langjan> OK Inetro and kilos, I'm running system monitor on live cd again, cpu stsrted on 80%, now running on 60%, memory on 28% 
[19:20] <magespawn> right
[19:20] <kulelu88> Langjan: old machine??
[19:21] <Kilos> ill be too old then magespawn  
[19:22] <Langjan> its a proline w76s, probably about 5 years
[19:22] <Langjan> came with windows 7
[19:24] <magespawn> Kilos: i am sorry, am i missing something?
[19:24] <Kilos> um
[19:24] <kulelu88> not too old. about 4GB DDR3 ram?
[19:24] <Kilos> oh ya you cant wait till 2008 when the decision for ubuntu membership will be decided by the loco
[19:25] <Kilos> if i read it right
[19:25] <magespawn> 2008?
[19:25] <Langjan> No it is on 2Gb which is, I think, the max it can take
[19:25] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[19:25] <kulelu88> I don't get how 2008 is too far away??
[19:25] <Kilos> you arent 63 kulelu88  
[19:26] <Kilos> many of my school mates are already in the happy hunting grounds
[19:27] <kulelu88> dead already? 63 is young though
[19:27] <kulelu88> unless they had those wives ... you know ...
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:29] <Langjan> Inetpro, Kilos, it seems to be running fine on CD with hdd disconnected
[19:29] <inetpro> Langjan: interesting
[19:29] <Kilos> Life expectancy in South Africa rises to 60
[19:29] <Kilos> unhappy drive it seems then Langjan  
[19:29] <kulelu88> oom I don't think you fit into the average.
[19:29] <Kilos> let it run more
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: btw, watch out for speedtest 
[19:30] <kulelu88> you've got at least 15 more years :D
[19:30] <Kilos> kulelu88  ive already been dead so i cheat
[19:30] <kulelu88> Langjan: try connecting the HDD to another machine to test it
[19:30] <Kilos> why inetpro  
[19:30] <kulelu88> you died oom? 
[19:30] <Kilos> ya
[19:30] <Kilos> 98 already
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: looks like every time you run it you effectively download a file of size bigger than 50MB
[19:30] <Kilos> had a reboot
[19:30] <kulelu88> how you died?
[19:31] <Kilos> wow
[19:31] <Kilos> windmill shaft uncoupled and bust my head open
[19:32] <kulelu88> heh :O
[19:32] <Langjan> why do you  guys call a windpump a windmill? 
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <kulelu88> oom I hope that is not the reason you have no more hair :-/
[19:32] <Kilos> windmill was a used word before afrikaans was invented
[19:33] <kulelu88> :D 
[19:33] <Kilos> i still have more hair the=an my 40 year old son
[19:33] <kulelu88> :'D 
[19:33] <magespawn> nah kulelu88 that is just age, and hair cut
[19:33] <Langjan> no windmills in SA that I know of 
[19:33] <kulelu88> oom you had kids young also. 
[19:33] <kulelu88> different generation completely
[19:33] <Kilos> i just save money by cutting it myself with a w3ahl
[19:33] <Langjan> so what did the british mill with the wind? 
[19:34] <Kilos> 25 for ian ya
[19:34] <kulelu88> Langjan: bly jy in die hart van Pretoria?
[19:34] <Kilos> wheat Langjan  
[19:34] <Langjan> nee in die hart van Warmbad
[19:34] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <Langjan> waar staan daai windmeul Kilos? 
[19:34] <kulelu88> aah, waar die mense wil kom vir easter weekend en almal gaan in die pools piss maak
[19:35] <Kilos> in the movies
[19:35] <Langjan> ja van Gauteng af, dan bly ons locals ver weg
[19:36] <Langjan> daar het een in Kaapstad gestaan wat koring maal, maar hy het met water gewerk
[19:36] <kulelu88> oom have you been to warmbaths?
[19:36] <Kilos> Langjan  how large is that drive
[19:36] <Langjan> 160Gb
[19:36] <Kilos> ya we used to race bikes from pta to warnbaths every weekend
[19:36] <Langjan> no sorry, 250 Gb
[19:37] <Kilos> you can not use the first 30g and then install ubuntu
[19:37] <Kilos> most drives give probs in their beginnings
[19:37] <kulelu88> not the town oom. the waterpark.
[19:37] <Kilos> but i have a command that will check it for you
[19:38] <Kilos> ya we used to go swim after the dice
[19:38] <Langjan> you mean partition it?
[19:38] <Kilos> yes
[19:38] <kulelu88> wat a lekker life you had oom. surfer, lifeguard, biker, etc.
[19:38] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <Kilos> i have had a good life
[19:39] <Kilos> last 16 with pain thoug
[19:39] <Langjan> Well, let me try that, fresh install...again
[19:39] <Kilos> though
[19:39] <Kilos> wait jan
[19:39] <Kilos> first check it
[19:39] <kulelu88> the rest of us are hustling day in day out 
[19:39] <Langjan> how to check it?
[19:40] <Kilos> im looking for the command
[19:40] <Kilos> patience oom
[19:40] <Langjan> a virtue
[19:40] <magespawn> Kilos: i will do something about membership, i am off to bed, good night all
[19:41] <Kilos> night magespawn  
[19:41] <Langjan> lekker slaap magespawn
[19:42] <Kilos> oom Langjan   replace the drive and see if it boots
[19:42] <Kilos> is so run sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result
[19:43] <kulelu88> oom Langjan ?? heh, how is oom calling someone else an oom 
[19:43] <Langjan> OK but why should it not boot?
[19:43] <Langjan> Want hierdie is 'n egte regte oom
[19:43] <Kilos> he is 8 years older than me
[19:43] <Langjan> and 2 months
[19:43] <kulelu88> yoh
[19:43] <Kilos> lol and 2 months note
[19:43] <kulelu88> nou het ons twee ooms op ubuntu za
[19:44] <kulelu88> and I thought we'd struggle to get older folks involved with ubuntu
[19:44] <Langjan> ja een jongetjie en een regte een
[19:44] <Kilos> haha
[19:44] <Kilos> ok Langjan  boot into it and only run that command
[19:44] <Kilos> nothing else
[19:45] <kulelu88> good to meet you oom Langjan 
[19:45] <Langjan> I have three ubuntu converts in Warmbad all over 60, one over 70
[19:45] <Kilos> well done oom
[19:46] <Kilos> invite them here
[19:46] <Langjan> good to meet you also kulelu88
[19:46] <kulelu88> it's very easy to use linux these days. plug n play 
[19:46] <kulelu88> nobody can make CLI excuses anymore
[19:46] <Langjan> they have little time for kids games...
[19:46]  * inetpro wonders about the age of the oldest fellow with official ubuntu membership
[19:46] <Kilos> lol
[19:46] <Kilos> interesting thought
[19:47] <Kilos> ill ask them next month
[19:47] <inetpro> next month?
[19:47] <Kilos> ya when my sjambok is reinforced
[19:47] <inetpro> isn't the next meeting like in 3 days time?
[19:48] <Kilos> if they say no i go back to windowsa
[19:48] <Kilos> not just meeting man one of the stress meets
[19:48] <kulelu88> well oom Langjan is the oldest here. 
[19:48] <inetpro> why even wait for a meeting to ask such question?
[19:48] <kulelu88> 70!
[19:49] <Kilos> 72
[19:49] <kulelu88> oh ja. sorry
[19:49] <kulelu88> im getting old also
[19:49] <Kilos> i cant ask that kind of questions now
[19:49] <inetpro> ai!
[19:49] <Kilos> they must think im a seroius dude
[19:49] <Kilos> lol
[19:50] <Kilos> that wxl is also going for it
[19:50] <Kilos> and he does lots
[19:51] <Kilos> ive learned to look at peeps wiki pages
[19:52] <Kilos> Langjan  tell me what it finds hey
[19:54] <Kilos> if it finds none then we zero the drive and then install afresh
[19:54] <Langjan> kilos it says No such file or directory while trying to determine device size 
[19:55] <Kilos> is the drive plugged in?
[19:55] <Kilos> sda must be there
[19:56] <Langjan> the machine is running on the drive
[19:56] <Kilos> check you typed command right
[19:57] <Langjan> typed it exactly like you said
[19:57] <Kilos> wow
[19:57] <Kilos> run gparted
[19:58] <Kilos> that will tell you what the drive is called
[19:58] <Kilos> i think
[19:58] <Langjan> sudo badblocks -v /dev/sdal > bad-blocks-result
[19:58] <Kilos> sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result
[19:58]  * inetpro calls for a halt
[19:58] <Kilos> ya looks same
[19:58] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:58] <Kilos> ok we halt
[19:59] <Kilos> night inetpro  
[19:59] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:59] <Langjan> rest well inetpro
[19:59] <kulelu88> night inetpro 
[19:59] <inetpro> uh btw, sdal != sda1
[20:00] <Kilos> wow how can there be no sda
[20:00] <Kilos> ya one
[20:00] <inetpro> != means NOT EQUAL TO
[20:01] <Kilos> where did you see that
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: 03/16 21:59:56 <inetpro> uh btw, sdal != sda1
[20:01] <Kilos> oom jan
[20:01] <Langjan> ja
[20:01] <Kilos> sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result
[20:02] <Langjan> yes kilos, ok thks will try that
[20:02] <Langjan> its the same as last time
[20:02] <Kilos> wow
[20:03] <Kilos> something corrupt there
[20:03] <Kilos> what does gparted show you
[20:03] <Langjan> oh, sda1 not sdal
[20:03] <Kilos> ya man 1 as in one
[20:04] <Kilos> een ein
[20:05] <Langjan> thats better, its checking...
[20:05] <Langjan> how long to wait?
[20:06] <Kilos> not too long
[20:07] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2rY2D1pxE
[20:07] <Kilos> there is what happens
[20:08] <Kilos> and how fsck remembers then
[20:09] <Kilos> but if this works and pc is good it means you need a new drive
[20:09] <Kilos> just not immediately
[20:10] <Langjan> there are 242 million blocks to check, your last few comments are a bit cryptic, please elucidate
[20:11] <Kilos> lol
[20:11] <Kilos> does it say where it is now
[20:11] <Kilos> lol
[20:11] <Kilos> i did that on a 1TB drive
[20:13] <Langjan> no it just says checking for bad blocks (read-only test)
[20:13] <Kilos> i mean also if it finds badblocks and marks them you can still use the drive but once badblocks start they have a habit of becoming more
[20:14] <Langjan> Ok so if no bad blocks then the drive is OK? 
[20:14] <Kilos> i have a 1TB drive that i had to partition so it doesnt use they first 50g at all
[20:14] <Kilos> yip normally
[20:15] <Kilos> then something is just corrupt 
[20:15] <Kilos> could be win7 left something bad in the mbr
[20:15] <Kilos> zeroing the drive makes it like a new one, no mbr or anything else
[20:17] <Langjan> what is zeroing the drive?
[20:17] <Kilos> it wipes everything
[20:17] <Langjan> and what is mbr?
[20:17] <Kilos> master boot record
[20:18] <Langjan> What is it that wipes everything? 
[20:18] <Kilos> small section that tells pc what to boot
[20:18] <Kilos> writes zeroes to everything
[20:18] <Langjan> Is the "it" you refer to the process now running? 
[20:18] <Kilos> same as a brand new drive
[20:19] <Kilos> oh lemme read
[20:19] <Kilos> zeroing is a command that writes zeroes to thew hole drive in seconds
[20:20] <Langjan> so what does that have to do with what we are doing now? Is it a next step?
[20:21] <Kilos> if bad blocks finds nothing bad then the drive should still be good
[20:21] <Kilos> so zeroing will remove whatever was corrupt
[20:22] <Langjan> ok but where does the zeroing that you refer to come in?
[20:22] <Kilos> and you get a new mbr from the bios and then install ubuntu and there should be no trace of win7 left
[20:22] <Kilos> if the drive is good but giving your problems something is corrupt somewhere
[20:23] <Langjan> Kilos is the process that is running now what you call zeroing? 
[20:23] <Kilos> nono
[20:24] <Kilos> this is looking for physical bad sectors
[20:24] <Langjan> oh, ok so when will I know it is finished?
[20:25] <Kilos> whew i dunno how long it is going to take, you can go sleep so long and we go on tomorrow if you like
[20:26] <Langjan> Well perhaps thats not a bad idea, it may take a while to work thro 250 GB 
[20:26] <Kilos> just plug the charger in so pc dont die half way
[20:26] <Langjan> done
[20:26] <Kilos> ok lets go crash then
[20:27] <Langjan> Incidentally, the ssd was for my desktop, this rogue belongs to one of my Ubuntu converts
[20:28] <Langjan> Many thanks so far, Kilos, sleep well 
[20:28] <Kilos> you too my oompie
[20:28] <Kilos> aha
[20:28] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[20:28] <Langjan> dankkie jy ook
[20:28] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight