[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[09:04] <dholbach> dpm, I'll delete the https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1430735/+merge/252910 MP
[09:04] <dholbach> and break it up into small chunks - here's the first: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1430735-pt1/+merge/253164
[09:13] <mcphail> Hi. I'm trying to use the Ubuntu SDK on a machine running 14.10 and a hand-rolled 3.19 kernel. When starting qt-creator, I get an error message showing the schroot command has failed and that "overlayfs" is not a supported filetype. This looks as if it has been fixed for kernels > 3.18 in Vivid. Is there any chance the changes will be backported? It prevents packages from being built
[09:14] <dpm> dholbach, ok, cool. Looking at the phone theme now
[09:15] <dpm> mcphail, not sure we've got any kernel experts here. You might want to ask on #ubuntu-touch
[09:15] <dholbach> hi mcphail, to me it looks like overlayfs is maybe not supported in your handrolled kernel? or not a module or something?
[09:15] <dholbach> does it work with the normal kernel?
[09:17] <mcphail> dholbach: no - overlayfs is built in but the way it is mounted changes in kernels > 3.18. It has been fixed in 15.04 but I don't want to upgrade yet until the systemd changes stabilise. A stock ubuntu kernel works but my graphics card suffers with a normal kernel
[09:17] <dholbach> mcphail, vivid has 3.19 - you could try to install one of those kernel
[09:18] <dholbach> systemd works absolutely fine for me
[09:18] <dholbach> it was never broken for me
[09:18] <dholbach> you could try booting up a live cd to check...
[09:18] <mcphail> dholbach: as i said - my kernel is fine. Any kernel > 3.18 will cause the crash when running the ubuntusdk under 14.10
[09:19] <mcphail> dholbach: there is a fix commited for vivid on launchapd
[09:19] <dholbach> I'm sorry - I never ran into that issue. Neither on utopic nor on vivid.
[09:20] <dholbach> It looks to me like the kernel you're using and whatever does the mounting is incompatible or not adjusted to work with each other and I don't know how to fix it.
[09:23] <mcphail> dholbach: i'll try to find the commit in launchpad which explains it better
[09:25] <dholbach> ok
[09:33] <dholbach> dpm, if you could have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/help-app/trunk/+activereviews that'd be great :)
[09:33] <dholbach> dpm, you'd also get the newest markup and everything
[09:34] <mcphail> dholbach: the fix is in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/schroot/+bug/1398523 . Utopic uses 1.6.10-1 but the fixed version is 1.6.10-1ubuntu1 in vivid. There is a milestone for "utopic-updates" but I don't know if that means it is actually going to be backported
[09:43] <dpm> dholbach, sure, let me finish the phone styling and then I'll have a look
[09:44] <dholbach> mcphail, you're on utopic?
[09:45] <mcphail> dholbach: yes
[09:46] <mcphail> dholbach: don't know if I should just download and install the vivid .deb
[09:46] <dholbach> mcphail, I just uploaded a backport to https://launchpad.net/~dholbach/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[09:46] <dholbach> it should be available there in a few minutes
[09:47] <dholbach> hope that helps
[09:47] <mcphail> dholbach: brilliant. I won't be at the machine until this evening but that is fantastic. Cheers!
[09:47] <dholbach> mcphail, no worries
[09:48] <dholbach> mcphail, actually the build should be done very quickly
[09:50]  * mcphail has fingers crossed he can start using that machine to develop
[09:52] <dholbach> good luck - the builds are now finished
[09:54] <mcphail> Good. It has been driving me mental. It is the machine I use when working away from home (when I actually have spare time to sit down and code in the evenings)
[10:22] <dholbach> dpm, I'm running a few errands now... I'll look into the merge proposals later on again and fix whatever you find broken :)
[10:23] <dpm> ok, thanks dholbach
[11:01] <Orphis> Silly question. Is trusty-updates a superset of trusty-security?
[11:02] <Orphis> Is there any documentation explaining what goes in what repository and how things are updated for LTS releases?
[11:07] <bzoltan_> dholbach: mcphail: I have just read your discussion, thanks dholbach for the fix.
[11:36] <zzarr> hello! I run Ubuntu 14.10 and have the repository version of the ubuntu-sdk package, I get the following problem, this to lines don't work "import Ubuntu.Components 1.1" and "import Ubuntu.Web 0.2"
[11:38] <zzarr> the message I get is "QML module does not contain information about components contained in plugins..."
[11:39] <zzarr> My computer have a x86_64 CPU architecture
[11:47] <zzarr> I can't get the webcam to work in my app, that's another problem I have, the led goes on but nothing more (I copy pasted the example in the tutorial)
[12:14] <mardy> dobey: hi! About your question on how to generate the signature, I'm not aware of any QML helpers
[12:18] <zzarr> hello I got the webcam to work, I had put one element in the wrong place
[12:22] <nerochiaro> gcov
[12:22] <nerochiaro> whoops
[12:39] <dholbach> dpm, ok... so I'll just continue like that, I'll do some more testing and see what else needs fixing
[12:40] <dholbach> dpm, is https://launchpad.net/help-app/+milestone/0.1 what you also feel needs fixing for our first release?
[12:45] <zzarr> can anyone tell me what "Invalid property assignment: unknown enumeration" mean?
[12:52] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi :)
[12:54] <mzanetti> hi mivoligo
[12:54] <mivoligo> mzanetti: seen that new bug?
[12:54] <mzanetti> yes
[12:54] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I would rather avoid adding more menus
[12:56] <mivoligo> mzanetti: as it is the problem with positions of the two options, I'd just make the space between them bigger
[12:57] <mzanetti> mhm.. maybe
[12:57] <mzanetti> not sure if things fit on the screen still then
[12:58] <mivoligo> on the computer it looks like it would be fine, not sure on the phone
[12:59] <mzanetti> I think we're rather stuffed already
[12:59] <mivoligo> mzanetti: can you do screenshot?
[13:02] <dholbach> balloons, are you up already?
[13:02] <dholbach> balloons, I could need some help with code review
[13:02]  * mzanetti needs a pastebin app for the phone
[13:04] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: i followed your instructions from yesterday, and can get the whole thing to build with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=coverage but I am unsure what to do next to actually run the tests in the right way
[13:06] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, just run them somehow
[13:09] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: and that should generate a dir with coverage reports ? I can't find it. i ran them with qmltestrunnner
[13:10] <mzanetti> it should create some files, yes
[13:10] <mzanetti> not really a separate dir
[13:10] <mzanetti> can't remember what the files are called
[13:11] <mzanetti> find . | grep cov
[13:11] <mzanetti> just a guess
[13:14] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: i am running the tests from the source dir, and bzr st notices no new files
[13:15] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, delete the entire build directory before calling cmake with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=coverage
[13:17] <zzarr> this to lines don't work "import Ubuntu.Components 1.1" and "import Ubuntu.Web 0.2", I get the error "QML module does not contain information about components contained in plugins..."
[13:17] <zzarr> anyone having any thought?
[13:18] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: bzr clean-tree --ignored --unknown ; cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=coverage ; make ; qmltestrunner [...]  but still no reports
[13:20] <dobey> mardy: so online-accounts provides no way to create a signature?
[13:22] <zzarr> no ideas?
[13:24] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, please push a branch and send over the link
[13:25] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: lp:~phablet-team/+junk/halide-filters-tests
[13:29] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: if you are trying to build it you need additional things. or are you just looking at the code ?
[13:31] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, yeah, wanted to build
[13:32] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: you need to install halide-lang from ppa:fboucault/vips
[13:32] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: and i run the tests with qmltestrunner -input backend/tests/unit/test.qml -import backend (from the checkout dir)
[13:39] <balloons> dholbach, yes, I didn't check the mp to see your replies yet, let me do that
[13:40] <dholbach> balloons, I broke the big one up into small ones
[13:40] <dholbach> let me know if there's anything I can explain or change
[13:40] <dholbach> so we can get this all in and uploaded
[13:44] <dholbach> a bit less important, but there's also https://bugs.launchpad.net/help-app/+bug/1429896 you can comment on, if you like
[14:01] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, fails to load here
[14:01] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: fails to load ?
[14:01] <zsombi> dholbach: dpm: so, the very first one is out: http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/community/blog/
[14:01] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, undefined symbol: _ZN6Halide8Internal8ExprNodeINS0_9BroadcastEE10_type_infoE)
[14:01] <mzanetti> when loading the plugin
[14:01] <mzanetti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10615431/
[14:02] <dholbach> zsombi, nice work!
[14:02] <dholbach> dpm, ^ do we have to use a certain tag to let it show up on planet?
[14:03] <dpm> zsombi, cool!
[14:03] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: that's strange. you installed the package from the ppa, right ? Kaleo, and ideas on mzanetti problem running the filters app above ?
[14:03] <dpm> dholbach, planet-ubuntu, I think
[14:03] <dpm> it should be on the previous entries
[14:03] <zzarr> how do I make an movement animation? I tried a "PropertyAnimation" on the "top" property of the object I want to animate, but I get the error "top" is read-only
[14:04] <dholbach> dpm, yep, planet-ubuntu
[14:04] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, yeah, I installed it...
[14:05] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: i am not sure what's wrong. let's see if Kaleo can help
[14:05] <dholbach> dpm, ok, I documented it in the editors guide
[14:05] <dholbach> zsombi, can you add the tag 'planet-ubuntu' too?
[14:05] <zzarr> ahh, I think I found it, a PathAnimation
[14:08] <mardy> dobey: nope
[14:08] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, anyhow, if I put a "message()" into the cmakelists into the coverage block, it never is executed
[14:08] <mardy> alex_abreu: the code you wrote for uploading to twitter, how does it generate the OAuth signature? From C++ or QML?
[14:09] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: so basically the CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE is never picked up ?
[14:09] <balloons> dholbach, I can't find the old MP, so I'm wondering about my question. Can we assume the default is text and not have to use !!T for everything?
[14:09] <dobey> mardy: that's a bit prohibitive to getting user details in the plug-in :-/
[14:09] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, yeah
[14:09] <dholbach> balloons, I replied to that question: how can Markdown know what a Q&A block is and what another block is?
[14:09] <zsombi> dholbach: done
[14:10] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, this line is missing: string(TOLOWER "${CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE}" cmake_build_type_lower) # Build types should always be lowercase but sometimes they are not.
[14:10] <dholbach> like... what's a heading, what's an ordinary piece of text, what's a question/answer block
[14:10] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: a cmake bug ?
[14:10] <dholbach> I don't know how to do that
[14:10] <dholbach> zsombi, thanks - good work!
[14:10] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, no... the if() uses cmake_build_type_lower, but that isn't set...
[14:10] <zsombi> dholbach: ;)
[14:11] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, you could also change the if to use "CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE" (which would fail if one uses "COVERAGE" instead of "coverage" though)
[14:11] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: I see. it seems to work now
[14:11] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, so it does generate some files now?
[14:11] <balloons> dholbach, presumably you would parse them expecting a certain q and a format, everything has to be the same. Unless you found a tag inside the block you assume text. Clearly not something easily done, but I hate to see those tags in the text
[14:12] <alex_abreu> mardy, javascript ...
[14:12] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: well, only ./coverage-xml.cmake
[14:12] <balloons> I didn't look in detail yet how you are parsing
[14:12] <alex_abreu> mardy, and a bit of c++ for the hmac part obviously
[14:12] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, right. now you can run "make coverage" to generate some jenkins-readable xml files
[14:12] <dholbach> balloons, it's markdown doing the parsing, and it's an extension on top of that, looking for the tags we defined
[14:13] <alex_abreu> mardy, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/webapps-core/twitter-share/view/head:/webapp-twitter/unity-webapps-twitter/share.user.js
[14:13] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, or "make coverage-html"
[14:13] <dholbach> balloons, maybe you can take a look at the markdown files we're shipping and dream up something that will allow us to do that?
[14:13] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10615497/
[14:13] <dholbach> balloons, I'm happy if we find a cleaner alternative
[14:13] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: this is after running the tests with qmlrunner
[14:14] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, worked for me :/
[14:14] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10615501/
[14:15] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, and: http://i.imgur.com/uXEdnor.png
[14:15] <dpm> thanks dholbach
[14:16] <balloons> dholbach, right right. Obviously what is possible vs easily done
[14:16] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, seems all fine here: http://i.imgur.com/cRRs1DP.png
[14:16] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: i will try that again in a few minutes. thanks for the help so far :)
[14:17] <balloons> dholbach, and this is all in support of https://bugs.launchpad.net/help-app/+bug/1430735 yes>
[14:17] <dholbach> balloons, yes
[14:18] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, ah right... I did change something: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10615519/
[14:18] <dholbach> balloons, just branch the last one, run 'make web' and check out what the output of settings.en-us.html for example looks like
[14:18] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, iirc you need to set the CXFLAGS before defining your targets
[14:18] <balloons> settings has the animated gif in it
[14:19] <dholbach> balloons, yes - it's not quite the way dpm wanted it yet (pending 1432710)
[14:19] <dholbach> but we're slowly iterating
[14:20] <nik90> zsombi: yay
[14:20] <nik90> zsombi: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/03/17/creating-theme-your-application/
[14:22] <dholbach> balloons, so yeah... I'm not quite sure what to do now - if we want to get 0.1 into the store today, we need the MPs landed soon, or somebody has to figure out how I shall change the code to improve ease of use for contributors
[14:22] <dpm> dholbach, https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/help-app/phone-theme-fixes/+merge/253209
[14:22] <dpm> just the basics. I think navigation will be a bit of a challenge for the phone theme :/
[14:22] <dholbach> ok
[14:22] <dholbach> I'll take a look
[14:23] <dholbach> dpm, did you check if this works with the new markup as well? like the stuff we introduce with !!T or !!I?
[14:23] <mivoligo> mzanetti: to be clear, I'm only thinking about making more space between first two options.
[14:24] <dpm> dholbach, it shouldn't affect it, but I can test it, yes
[14:24] <mzanetti> mivoligo, really... I guess there's enough spacing... Mr. Javacookies will hit the wrong button with more spacing too
[14:24] <mivoligo> :D
[14:24] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[14:24] <mzanetti> mivoligo, oh well... maybe...
[14:25] <dholbach> dpm, nice work!
[14:25] <dholbach> dpm, would you say that'd resolve bug 1432699?
[14:26] <mzanetti> mivoligo, http://i.imgur.com/Uy7rEh4.png
[14:26] <dpm> dholbach, ah, yes, I hadn't noticed we had a bug that was specific for that
[14:27] <dholbach> dpm, it looks like for the new branch placement of images is a bit off
[14:27] <mivoligo> mzanetti: yeah, we can move it up a bit
[14:27] <dholbach> dpm, with lp:~dholbach/help-app/1430735-pt5 that's in app/www/settings.de.html
[14:30] <dpm> dholbach, on the web theme? I hadn't changed the style for the images in there
[14:30] <dholbach> dpm, no, not in the web theme
[14:33] <nik90> zsombi, t1mp: I noticed in the QtC SDK docs, that the palette values are missing..the ones like Theme.palette.foregroundText etc... This is however present in the online docs -> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.Themes.PaletteValues/
[14:33] <nik90> zsombi, t1mp: Is that intentional?
[14:37] <dholbach> dpm, I responded to the MP - if you want, we can land it as-is and just open another bug report for the image
[14:37] <dholbach> it's a huge improvement as it is
[14:40] <zsombi> nik90: no idea why those are missing from teh QCH file
[14:41] <nik90> zsombi: np, I will report it as a bug
[14:43] <nik90> zsombi, kalikiana: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1433121
[14:55] <dholbach> dpm, balloons: can we have a call about how we want to proceed with the 0.1 release? I feel like I have no idea what's coming up next and what I should do........................
[14:55] <balloons> dholbach, I'm happy to go with the the mp's you have now. I'd rather not wait on making it better atm
[14:56] <dpm> dholbach, happy to jump on the phone, but perhaps in ~30?
[14:56] <dholbach> dpm, wfm
[14:56] <dholbach> balloons, I'm happy for us to look for a better solution
[14:56] <dholbach> balloons, but right now I think we want to get 0.1 out and I don't know what a better solution could look like
[14:56] <balloons> dholbach, right and I agree
[14:56] <dholbach> ok, thanks :)
[14:57] <dholbach> I'll file a bug so we don't forget
[14:57] <dholbach> dpm, ok, let's chat at 16:30 our time
[14:57] <balloons> I want to get the app out there, so I guess I can just approve the mp's you have then
[14:57] <dpm> balloons, oh, is the Q&A starting now or in 1h for you?
[14:57] <balloons> now
[14:57] <dpm> then I'll have to move the meeting
[14:58] <dholbach> ok
[15:15] <dholbach> balloons, thanks for your help - I filed bug 1433136
[15:15] <dholbach> dpm, let me know how to proceed with your MP
[15:15] <dholbach> dpm, I found a bug in some of the link rewriting - I'll work on that until our call - I hope by the time we can review things together and give it the thumbs up :)
[15:22] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: got it to work following your last advice. thanks
[15:23] <mzanetti> nerochiaro, cool
[15:46] <ogra_> hmm, who pushed the webdm client to the phone store ...
[15:46] <ogra_> that cant work
[15:46] <ogra_> (would require working avahi on the phone, which we do not ship)
[15:48] <dpm> dholbach, I tried to reproduce what you were mentioning in the MP - I merged trunk, but now I get these errors when trying to 'make html' -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10615941/
[15:49] <dholbach> dpm, what's the contents of ./edit-here/ in your case?
[15:49] <dpm> dholbach, let me have a look, but I'm getting the same with a fresh checkout from lp:help-app
[15:50] <dpm> dholbach, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10615957/
[15:50] <dpm> from a checkout from lp:help app
[15:52] <dholbach> dpm, can you run in edit-here: ./generate-translations && pelican content -o ../app/www -s pelicanconf.py -D
[15:53] <dpm> dholbach, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10615968/
[15:54] <dholbach> dpm, it's bizarre - I'm beginning to wonder if it's a utopic vs vivid thing?
[15:54] <dpm> ah, yeah, I'm in utopic
[15:55] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10615978/
[15:55] <dholbach> ^ that's what it looks like for me
[15:55] <dpm> much better, yes :)
[15:56] <dholbach> dpm, I'll set up a utopic chroot to check out if that's where the problem is coming from
[15:56] <dpm> ok
[16:01] <dholbach> dpm, yep, that's the issue
[16:01] <dholbach> :-(((((((((((((((((((8
[16:02] <dholbach> I'll see what I can do
[16:03]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[16:06] <dholbach> dpm, hum........... Could not convert "content/pages/security.md" into Markdown.
[16:07] <dholbach> that's already an issue some time earlier
[16:08] <dholbach> dpm, I guess "./generate-pot" fails too?
 dpm, it appears like the extension importer of markdown is a bit picky in its older inception
[16:23] <dholbach>  yep, that's the problem
[16:23] <dholbach>  if I move it to edit-here/local/ and change the configuration to list the extension as local.q-and-a it works
[16:23] <dholbach>  that might actually make the case for solving bug 1429896 for 0.1
[16:23] <dholbach>  the local.q-and-a workaround works in vivid too
[16:27] <dpm> dholbach, great
[16:28] <dholbach> dpm, I don't know... shall I propose this dirty hack (move the extension into a separate directory) or do the big cleanup (1429896)?
[16:29] <dpm> dholbach, yeah. Altough, is it really a hack? I thought that it made sense from what you're explaining
[16:30] <dpm> dholbach, balloons, let's discuss it in the call in a minute
[16:30] <dholbach> dpm, the new python3-markdown seems to be happy to look in "." for an extension
[16:30] <dholbach> the older one doesn't
[16:30] <dholbach> sure
[16:37] <zsombi> dpm: is it OK if I post the app theming blogpost link to G+ Ubuntu App Developers?
[16:38] <dpm> zsombi, you're rocking it, of course!
[16:38] <zsombi> dpm: to the discussions I guess...
[16:39] <zsombi> dpm: there it went :)
[16:39] <zsombi> more to come!
[16:43]  * balloons hugs dholbach 
[16:43] <dpm> rock on
[16:44] <balloons> sorry for not helping so much yesterday, we found an autopilot critical bug..it's broken on vivid desktop
[16:47] <dholbach> don't worry balloons
[16:47]  * dholbach hugs balloons and dpm
[16:50] <dholbach> balloons, dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1433171/+merge/253240
[16:51] <t1mp> dpm: shouldn't posts on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/community/blog/ show up on planet.ubuntu.com?
[16:52] <dholbach> t1mp, you need to add the tag "planet-ubuntu"
[16:52] <t1mp> dholbach: ah, thanks :)
[16:52] <t1mp> zsombi: ^
[16:53] <t1mp> zsombi: tag it :)
[16:54] <AskUbuntu_> How to correctly set up a local branch of ubuntu projects | http://askubuntu.com/q/597965
[16:54] <dholbach> dpm, balloons: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/disable-.link-cta-ubuntu-for-now/+merge/253241
[17:06] <dholbach> dpm, balloons: if you could take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/help-app/+activereviews that'd be great
[17:06] <dholbach> in that case I could just land everything, build a click, mail the guys and call it a day
[17:10] <dpm> dholbach, on it
[17:10] <dholbach> yoohoo
[17:14] <dpm> dholbach, reviewed and approved
[17:15] <dholbach> thanks a lot dpm
[17:15] <dpm> well, thank _you_
[17:15] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/help-app/+activereviews → empty!
[17:16] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/help-app/+milestone/0.1 → almost empty :)
[17:17] <popey> \o/
[17:22] <dpm> yay
[17:48] <zsombi> t1mp: it is tagged, dude
[17:56] <t1mp> zsombi: why don't I see it on http://planet.ubuntu.com/ ?
[17:56] <zsombi> t1mp: you hold it wrong, as usual :D
[17:56] <zsombi> t1mp: you can see that the planet-ubuntu tag is added to the post, right?
[17:57] <t1mp> zsombi: yes, I see it
[17:57] <t1mp> dholbach escaped, so I cannot ask him now
[17:58] <t1mp> dpm, mhall119 ^ any ideas why  https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/03/17/creating-theme-your-application/ does not show up on planet ubuntu?
[18:02] <dpm> t1mp, not sure, it often takes a while for some reason
[18:04] <zsombi> t1mp: when I'm trying to log in to p-u-c, I get internal server error
[21:39] <randy_O> I've got a QUESTION: I'm doing up the translation template for Delivery Tracker, is it good programming practice to also translate what Im logging to the console?