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| larsu | good morning! | 06:05 |
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| happyaron | morning larsu | 06:18 |
| larsu | hi happyaron! | 06:18 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:15 |
| Laney | ahoy there | 09:02 |
| larsu | moin Laney | 09:02 |
| didrocks | morning Laney | 09:05 |
| Laney | greetings larsu et didrocks | 09:05 |
| Laney | seems quiet today | 09:05 |
| larsu | indeed | 09:05 |
| larsu | so, my fix to gnomed-desktop breaks nautilus | 09:05 |
| larsu | because it handles device scale as well | 09:05 |
| larsu | sigh | 09:05 |
| Laney | :/ | 09:07 |
| Laney | this revert sucks | 09:08 |
| larsu | bah. my compiled nautilus behaves differently from the one in distro | 09:08 |
| willcooke | morning desktopers | 09:09 |
| Laney | hey willcooke | 09:09 |
| didrocks | morning willcooke | 09:10 |
| Laney | how's london? | 09:10 |
| willcooke | Cold and wet | 09:10 |
| willcooke | \o/ | 09:10 |
| mlankhorst | hooray | 09:10 |
| mlankhorst | not news! | 09:10 |
| didrocks | you guys are selling your capital so well | 09:10 |
| Laney | you can join the club | 09:11 |
| willcooke | didrocks, can you do me a massive favour and reply-all to that email re: the issues with the store? I won't have time today and I think it needs to be moved forwards asap | 09:11 |
| Laney | as a parishater | 09:11 |
| didrocks | I'll never have a similar speach for Paris… oh wait! | 09:11 |
| didrocks | willcooke: sure, doing in a few minutes then! | 09:11 |
| willcooke | didrocks, if you're not happy to - pas de probleme | 09:11 |
| larsu | didrocks: every English person I've met that doesn't live in London hates London | 09:11 |
| larsu | morning willcooke | 09:11 |
| willcooke | I dont hate London, I just dont like the weather so much :) | 09:11 |
| larsu | do you like it though? | 09:12 |
| willcooke | Erm, I like to visit | 09:12 |
| willcooke | Dont think I could work here everyday | 09:13 |
| willcooke | or live here | 09:13 |
| larsu | didrocks: [rephrased] every English person I've met that doesn't live in London doesn't quite like London | 09:13 |
| willcooke | haha! | 09:13 |
| larsu | ;) | 09:13 |
| didrocks | heh :) | 09:14 |
| larsu | is noone running unitz on hidpi? | 09:15 |
| * larsu wonders why nobody noticed our atrocious background rendering | 09:15 | |
| didrocks | larsu: maybe people having hdpi thought it was pixel art | 09:16 |
| larsu | didrocks: I made a white test wallpaper with some black pixels in a 1×1 grid. It's all blurry :( | 09:17 |
| * larsu should complain less and fix more | 09:17 | |
| Laney | does gnome get it right? | 09:18 |
| * larsu checks | 09:19 | |
| larsu | Laney: hm, can't switch to a gnome session | 09:23 |
| larsu | /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop exists... | 09:23 |
| Laney | can't how? | 09:23 |
| larsu | in lightdm | 09:24 |
| Laney | like no option? | 09:24 |
| larsu | ya | 09:24 |
| larsu | ah wait, those are the wrong files | 09:24 |
| * larsu ponders what to install | 09:24 | |
| darkxst | gnome-session | 09:24 |
| larsu | no | 09:24 |
| larsu | that's not enough | 09:25 |
| darkxst | it should be, provided you have gnome-shell as well | 09:25 |
| didrocks | larsu: do you have /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/gnome.session? | 09:26 |
| larsu | wow. how many of those things do we have? | 09:26 |
| didrocks | (normally, that doesn't prevent the session to shows up in lightdm though) | 09:26 |
| didrocks | well | 09:26 |
| didrocks | there is the session "session" | 09:26 |
| larsu | darkxst: that's what I meant by "it's not enough"... ;) | 09:26 |
| didrocks | there is the gnome-session "session" | 09:26 |
| didrocks | (I'm culpurit of the second) | 09:27 |
| larsu | which ones are the files lightdm looks at? /usr/share/xsession/*.desktop, right? | 09:27 |
| didrocks | yeah, if you don't have the session, that's weird | 09:27 |
| didrocks | should be that one | 09:27 |
| didrocks | there is a condition though | 09:27 |
| didrocks | let me look | 09:27 |
| larsu | why doesn't gnome-session pull in gnome-shell, for example? | 09:27 |
| didrocks | larsu: TryExec=gnome-shell | 09:27 |
| darkxst | it was causinga circular dep | 09:28 |
| didrocks | do you have the gnome-shell bin installed? | 09:28 |
| larsu | I do now | 09:28 |
| didrocks | ok, I guess restart lightdm | 09:28 |
| didrocks | the TryExec is evaluated at lightdm startup IIRC | 09:28 |
| didrocks | (and as you can see, this calls Exec=gnome-session --session=gnome) | 09:29 |
| larsu | unity-greeter theming seems to have broken again | 09:29 |
| larsu | didrocks: ya, working now | 09:29 |
| larsu | didrocks: thanks | 09:29 |
| didrocks | yw! | 09:29 |
| didrocks | and, keep in mind that unity needs gnome-shell | 09:29 |
| didrocks | oupss | 09:29 |
| didrocks | gnome-session | 09:29 |
| didrocks | so, if gnome-session was depending on gnome-shell… | 09:30 |
| larsu | it does? it wasn't installed for me | 09:30 |
| didrocks | (first, I wrote "g-s depending on g-s") | 09:30 |
| darkxst | didrocks, no, unity uses gnome-session-common (or -bin) | 09:30 |
| didrocks | ah, that changed | 09:30 |
| didrocks | ok, I guess gnome-session should recommends gnome-shell | 09:30 |
| larsu | didrocks: I agree | 09:31 |
| didrocks | darkxst: deps on one side, recommends on the other is fine | 09:31 |
| Laney | why? | 09:31 |
| didrocks | Laney: the package contains /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop | 09:31 |
| Laney | If you want shell, install shell | 09:31 |
| didrocks | and /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/gnome.session | 09:31 |
| didrocks | and that's mostly it | 09:31 |
| didrocks | so, 2 components deeply linked to gnoe-shell | 09:31 |
| Laney | so shell should depend on it | 09:31 |
| didrocks | gnome-shell | 09:31 |
| larsu | Laney: to answer your question: gnome gets it wrong as well | 09:32 |
| Laney | /o\ | 09:32 |
| didrocks | well, in that case, we can remove "gnome-shell" binary package | 09:32 |
| * didrocks doesn't think /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/50-ubuntu.conf should be part of this | 09:32 | |
| didrocks | and that's it for this package | 09:32 |
| xnox | Laney: on unity7 desktop which process handles the alt-f2? | 09:33 |
| Laney | dunno | 09:33 |
| Laney | probably unity | 09:33 |
| didrocks | xnox: unity-lens-applications | 09:34 |
| xnox | things launched from there lack environment that is set via user-session upstart and/or possibly gnome-session. | 09:34 |
| xnox | didrocks: thanks. | 09:34 |
| didrocks | xnox: enjoy my vala code :p | 09:34 |
| xnox | didrocks: hm, i don't have that running here. | 09:34 |
| xnox | didrocks: is it still lens in 14.04 LTS? | 09:34 |
| didrocks | xnox: that was renamed commands.scope | 09:35 |
| xnox | /usr/bin/unity-scope-loader applications/applications.scope applications/scopes.scope commands.scope ? | 09:35 |
| didrocks | but it's still the same package | 09:35 |
| xnox | didrocks: ok, and what launches that? | 09:35 |
| xnox | cause it's missing environment variables =( | 09:35 |
| didrocks | xnox: dbus-activated through unity | 09:35 |
| didrocks | IIRC | 09:36 |
| darkxst | didrocks, 50-ubuntu.conf is in ubuntu-session also | 09:36 |
| Laney | gegls from outer space | 09:36 |
| xnox | didrocks: right, so i should be uploading enviromental variables into dbus.... however that is not in trusty's environemnt | 09:36 |
| didrocks | Laney: there are 2 more easter eggs :) | 09:36 |
| didrocks | xnox: agreed | 09:36 |
| xnox | didrocks: what about gnome-session variables? | 09:38 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 09:39 |
| xnox | didrocks: Laney: it's funny how ctrl-alt-T, clicking gnome-terminal has the env, and alt-f2 xterm does not. | 09:39 |
| didrocks | xnox: I think simply everything that are set to the process (so, including gnome-session variables) when you control+alt+t should be into those processes | 09:39 |
| xnox | SSH_AGENT is in question here. | 09:39 |
| didrocks | xnox: they got it at first, before being dbus-activated | 09:39 |
| xnox | can anyone give me a gnome-session set variable? | 09:39 |
| didrocks | but yeah, once it's been transitioned, I guess, that's lost | 09:39 |
| didrocks | xnox: XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity for instance | 09:40 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 09:40 |
| didrocks | let me ensure, one sec | 09:40 |
| xnox | didrocks: ok that one is set in alt-f2 xterm. horum. | 09:40 |
| didrocks | xnox: one sec, it's maybe not set by it if already present | 09:41 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks ;-) | 09:41 |
| xnox | didrocks: where is this scope thing again - apps?! | 09:42 |
| didrocks | xnox: yeah, the unity-lens-applications package | 09:42 |
| darkxst | XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP is set by the DM, and passed through gnome-session I think | 09:42 |
| didrocks | yeah, it's only set if it wasn't set beforehand | 09:43 |
| didrocks | xnox: GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID | 09:43 |
| didrocks | not used anymore, but set by gnome-session | 09:43 |
| xnox | didrocks: upstart jobs set that as well, as far as i know. but let me see if i the value is different. | 09:44 |
| xnox | no it's same. | 09:44 |
| didrocks | weird that we reset it | 09:48 |
| didrocks | there is really no value in doing this | 09:48 |
| Laney | False | 09:48 |
| xnox | didrocks: yes there is. | 09:48 |
| xnox | didrocks: Qt looks like Windows 95 without it. | 09:49 |
| Laney | [ Iain Lane ] | 09:49 |
| Laney | * xsession-init: Set $GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID if we are launching a | 09:49 |
| Laney | gnome-session session. Some applications (Qt4) require this to be set to | 09:49 |
| Laney | any value to detect the environment in use. It was historically set by | 09:49 |
| Laney | gnome-session but now this is no longer the root of the session so not all | 09:49 |
| Laney | user processes are guaranteed to have it. (LP: #1305294) | 09:49 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1305294 in upstart (Ubuntu) "QT uses incorrect theme when GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID is unset" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1305294 | 09:49 |
| xnox | didrocks: hm..... i'm failing to see how things are actually execed from the scope =( | 09:49 |
| didrocks | waow "nice" | 09:50 |
| xnox | didrocks: hm. i think /usr/bin/unity-scope-loader should be managed by upstart in the user session to have the right env | 09:51 |
| xnox | it's dbus activated at the moment as it has UPSTART_JOB=dbus env variable. | 09:51 |
| didrocks | xnox: yeah, I don't know at all about those changes (I wasn't in charge of unity when they did that change), maybe ask thorst? | 09:52 |
| xnox | hm. or it can call into upstart dbus api and do "list-env" and then import that. | 09:52 |
| xnox | is even the lens actually launching things? or does it simply hand over result to shell to launch stuff?! | 09:53 |
| didrocks | xnox: it was launching things at the time, let me have a look if this changed | 09:53 |
| xnox | AppInfo.launch_default_for_uri | 09:53 |
| xnox | Process.spawn_async | 09:53 |
| didrocks | yep | 09:53 |
| xnox | /* Activation of standard application:// uris */ | 09:54 |
| * xnox ponders if i should just strace it.... | 09:55 | |
| xnox | didrocks: to many if/else blocks.... if feels like half of the code there is unreachable. | 09:56 |
| larsu | xnox: g_desktop_app_info_launch() launches whatever's in the Exec= key or dbus-activates the application if it supports that | 09:57 |
| larsu | no clue why the scope would do anything but call that... | 09:57 |
| xnox | larsu: well i can type ~/bin/foobar in alt-f2 window. | 09:57 |
| larsu | oh, this is about alt+f2 | 09:58 |
| xnox | larsu: yes. | 09:58 |
| * larsu apologizes | 09:58 | |
| xnox | larsu: app_info_launched things seem to have the right env. | 09:58 |
| larsu | xnox: right, but alt+f2 shouldn't use that | 09:58 |
| xnox | larsu: didrocks: ok this is crazy -> | 09:58 |
| xnox | Super -> "xterm" -> Enter = has SSH_AGENT | 09:59 |
| xnox | Alt+F2 -> "xterm" -> Enter = does not | 09:59 |
| didrocks | xnox: I guess, really ask the unity API team, not sure if it's maybe just one data missing when they changed to activated scope | 10:00 |
| larsu | xnox: so Alt+f2 isn't passing the same env as g_desktop_app_info_launch() is | 10:01 |
| larsu | maybe the scope guys should fix that :) | 10:01 |
| xnox | bug #1433013 | 10:03 |
| ubot5 | bug 1433013 in upstart (Ubuntu Vivid) "Super -> exec vs Alt-F2 -> exec have different environment" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1433013 | 10:03 |
| xnox | didrocks: larsu: Laney: i guess I'll experiment with launching the scope loader via initctl start, such that it has the right env. | 10:05 |
| larsu | xnox: I assume the env is there, otherwise g_desktop_app_info_launch() wouldn't have it. I bet whatever handles alt+f2 just doesn't pass it along | 10:06 |
| xnox | larsu: i get to differ $ cat /proc/`pgrep -f unity-scope-loader`/environ | grep -a SSH | 10:08 |
| xnox | is empty | 10:08 |
| larsu | xnox: it's gotta come from somewhere thoguh | 10:11 |
| xnox | initctl list-env has it. | 10:12 |
| xnox | larsu: ok, so changing the dbus to do Exec=start unity-scope-application, and moving the process to an upstart job works. And then xterm launched via alt-f2 works and has ssh environment. | 10:14 |
| xnox | i'll make a patch for that, and will have to see if that gets accepted. | 10:14 |
| larsu | xnox: shouldn't unity-scope-application inherit the environment from dbus, which is already upstart? | 10:15 |
| xnox | jodh: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Stanzas is not feeling good | 10:16 |
| xnox | larsu: it does, but after dbus is execed, upstart's environment is modified, and it modifies the dbus process environment table, but that doesn't propagate to dbus' children. | 10:16 |
| xnox | larsu: if dbus child is moved to be a direct upstart child, it will mangle said childs environ | 10:17 |
| xnox | when people do $ initctl set-env foo=bar | 10:17 |
| * xnox tests | 10:17 | |
| larsu | xnox: that's what org.freedesktop.DBus.UpdateActivationEnvironment is for | 10:17 |
| xnox | larsu: is that in 14.04? | 10:17 |
| larsu | xnox: dunno | 10:18 |
| * xnox thought that was added only recently | 10:18 | |
| larsu | it was, but I don't know when | 10:18 |
| larsu | but running 'start' in an Exec line sounds hacky to me | 10:18 |
| xnox | hm. initctl set-env didn't propagate to newly execed xterm via alt-f2..... not good. | 10:18 |
| xnox | larsu: looks like there is UpdateActivationEnvironemt.... | 10:19 |
| xnox | in trusty | 10:19 |
| larsu | \o/ | 10:19 |
| xnox | larsu: there is no get activation environment though..... =( | 10:20 |
| larsu | why do you need that? | 10:21 |
| xnox | larsu: to check what it currently is. | 10:21 |
| larsu | well yeah | 10:21 |
| larsu | but why do you want to do that | 10:21 |
| xnox | to trace the SSH_* variable =) | 10:22 |
| larsu | oh, for debugging | 10:22 |
| xnox | yeah. | 10:22 |
| larsu | xnox: just activate some process and inspect its env ;) | 10:25 |
| larsu | like a terminal... | 10:25 |
| jodh | xnox: ergh. thanks, I'll report that... | 10:32 |
| xnox | 'GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.canonical.Unity.Scope.Dima was not provided by any .service files' | 10:37 |
| * xnox gives up | 10:37 | |
| xnox | ok everything works, as long as initctl set-env does a call to dbus to update activation environment. | 10:47 |
| xnox | i can do that at post in each job or patch upstart | 10:47 |
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| Laney | aha | 14:19 |
| Laney | who knows where I can get the iso smoke testsuite scripts from? | 14:25 |
| mvo | seb128: I'm looking into that software-center issue now, no need for dobey to duplicate work, its under control | 14:29 |
| mvo | seb128: looks like its a server side issue | 14:29 |
| Laney | bah | 14:30 |
| Laney | jibel: yo | 14:30 |
| dobey | willcooke: ^^ | 14:30 |
| Laney | if I want to change https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/vivid/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/vivid-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/130/ this testsuite | 14:30 |
| willcooke | oh | 14:30 |
| Laney | where do I get it from? | 14:30 |
| willcooke | dobey, thanks | 14:30 |
| didrocks | happyaron: FYI, we approximatly gained 5M thanks to the fcitx switch and removal of ibus-pinyin, so size-wise, it's cool :) | 14:35 |
| didrocks | Laney: seb128 ^ | 14:35 |
| didrocks | (compressed size) | 14:35 |
| Laney | gaining 5M isn't that great | 14:35 |
| didrocks | gained in the term of "less" | 14:36 |
| Laney | HAHA | 14:36 |
| didrocks | Laney: I wouldn't be that enthousiast if we grew by 5M :) | 14:36 |
| Laney | that is innovative use of english | 14:36 |
| didrocks | Laney: yeah, I see as well always this contradiction as well with "false positive" | 14:37 |
| mvo | willcooke: hi, happy to give you a update on the issue if you want | 14:37 |
| didrocks | (see how seb and I use it) | 14:37 |
| Laney | I thought you mean that it's okay because it is only 5 megs | 14:37 |
| didrocks | no no, it's ok because the image size + some manual adjustement to compensate the seed changes is approx 5M :) | 14:38 |
| Laney | good times | 14:39 |
| willcooke | mvo, could you reply-all the email, keep everyone in the loop | 14:40 |
| Laney | jibel: found it! | 14:41 |
| Laney | 'usit' ... | 14:41 |
| Laney | didrocks: btw this is a machine ID thing again | 14:42 |
| Laney | did you decide to symlink the old file? | 14:42 |
| didrocks | Laney: we didn't decide on anything to do on this. Do you have the case details leading to no machine ID file for dbus? | 14:43 |
| didrocks | (I really think the symlink is what makes sense, just need to decide where this should be done… I would say in the .service file) | 14:44 |
| Laney | It'll fall back to using the systemd one | 14:45 |
| Laney | also dbus-uuidgen --ensure will make this symlink | 14:46 |
| mvo | willcooke: sure, just did that after I saw your mail about it | 14:46 |
| willcooke | mvo, thank you! | 14:47 |
| didrocks | Laney: so, what's the bug is? (if it fallbacks successfully?) | 14:47 |
| didrocks | only the tests making the wrong assertion? | 14:47 |
| Laney | tests look for the old path | 14:47 |
| Laney | dunno if any software does | 14:48 |
| didrocks | *hem* oneconf probably *hem* | 14:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, nice! | 14:50 |
| didrocks | I hope the "nice" was for the won megs on the iso, not my last statement :p | 14:51 |
| didrocks | with open('/var/lib/dbus/machine-id') as fp: | 14:51 |
| didrocks | hostid = fp.read()[:-1] | 14:51 |
| didrocks | Laney: yeah, we do have *excellent* software doing this ^ | 14:52 |
| Laney | happy symlinking ;-) | 14:53 |
| didrocks | Laney: want me to deal with this? | 14:53 |
| didrocks | sounds quite trivial | 14:53 |
| Laney | if you don't mind | 14:53 |
| Laney | although the unit is upstream | 14:53 |
| Laney | :) | 14:53 |
| didrocks | sure (not right now, but will do) | 14:53 |
| didrocks | ah? | 14:53 |
| didrocks | they use dbus-uuidgen --ensure in the unit? | 14:54 |
| Laney | no | 14:54 |
| Laney | that is what you'd add | 14:54 |
| didrocks | yep | 14:54 |
| * didrocks just need to think if we should use that or provide the symlink manually (as it's in the boot path) | 14:54 | |
| didrocks | I'll do some tests | 14:55 |
| Laney | the upstart job and init script just ran the program | 14:55 |
| didrocks | ok, anyway with kdbus coming, maybe doesn't worth trying to optimize this now | 14:55 |
| didrocks | is there a bug for those failing tests? | 14:56 |
| Laney | dunno | 14:57 |
| Laney | I'm going to fix that part anyway | 14:57 |
| didrocks | yeah, sounds more future-proof | 14:58 |
| desrt | kdbus is coming? when? | 14:59 |
| larsu | whenever this canadian guy finishes writing support for it in some fringe library | 15:00 |
| Laney | bregma's supporting it in nux? | 15:01 |
| larsu | Trevinho: do you know why compiz doesn't render the background on unity? Because it doesn't handle the gradients? | 15:01 |
| desrt | larsu: i'm still waiting for a round of lkml patch review that doesn't turn into a total bloodbath :p | 15:01 |
| Trevinho | larsu: where? | 15:02 |
| larsu | desrt: last I heard was that it's as good as in | 15:02 |
| larsu | Trevinho: err, what? | 15:02 |
| desrt | larsu: did you hear that from lennart? :) | 15:02 |
| Trevinho | larsu: I mean, I'm not sure I understood what you mean | 15:02 |
| larsu | desrt: maybe‽ | 15:02 |
| larsu | Trevinho: ah sorry. Right now, nautilus renders the background wallpaper in unity. We're patching it to do that because upstream stopped | 15:03 |
| Trevinho | larsu: ok, right... | 15:04 |
| desrt | in any case, i'm unlikely to spend more time working on kdbus until i have an actual API to target | 15:04 |
| larsu | Trevinho: and I'm pretty sure that compiz could render the background for us. Just wondering why it doesn't | 15:04 |
| larsu | desrt: fair enough | 15:04 |
| bregma | larsu, because nobody has fixed the Compiz wallpaper plugin in the last 5 years | 15:05 |
| Trevinho | larsu: mh, I don't know exactly the reason.. I guess it was an historic deicsion as in the past every desktop had its "desktop-bg app", and thus to keep modularity | 15:05 |
| bregma | also, Compiz does not support placing icons on the desktop and handling them as if it were a file browser | 15:06 |
| larsu | bregma: right, nautilus can keep doing that on a transparent window | 15:06 |
| larsu | bregma: I'm not saying we should go that route. Just wondering why we aren't | 15:07 |
| Trevinho | yeah, in fact... can be done at app lelve... | 15:07 |
| * larsu had to fix some hidpi issues in that code today | 15:07 | |
| larsu | and it's still badly broken | 15:07 |
| Laney | does it support gnome's interface? | 15:07 |
| Laney | work with solid colours and gradients and stuff? | 15:07 |
| larsu | Laney: ya, I suspect it doesn't | 15:07 |
| * Laney would guess it is problems like this | 15:07 | |
| bregma | we could revivie the Compiz wallpaper plugin to do the drawing, but the code has not been touched since 2009 and has not been ported to GLES | 15:09 |
| larsu | bregma: I think fixing the remaining issue in gnome-desktop is ok for now, but we might think about that if we want more features | 15:10 |
| larsu | or if we want more performant bg transitiosn | 15:11 |
| * didrocks is particularly afraid by the extended combinations of transformations as well to support | 15:11 | |
| larsu | didrocks: transformations? | 15:11 |
| didrocks | larsu: the crop/scale/extends… | 15:12 |
| didrocks | (basically the various cases in libgnome-desktop | 15:12 |
| larsu | didrocks: wouldn't it be awesome if we did them on graphics hardware instead of the cpu? | 15:13 |
| larsu | same for the gradients | 15:13 |
| didrocks | seems you want to bother this poor GPU… :) | 15:13 |
| bregma | I lie, the COmpiz wallpaper plugin was ported to GLES (according to https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1tiCs1CLXZB386-6TtD_bJsWHeMBJRjNVr8D14VVFHcY/edit#gid=0), maybe it's worth playing with for the 15.10 timeframe | 15:14 |
| larsu | didrocks: lol | 15:14 |
| larsu | bregma: I want animated wallpapers! | 15:14 |
| larsu | and FIRE | 15:14 |
| Laney | \o/ | 15:14 |
| bregma | I want world peace and a cure for cancer | 15:15 |
| bregma | and a second pony, the first one is too small | 15:15 |
| larsu | how important is that related to animated wallpapers? | 15:15 |
| Trevinho | :) | 15:15 |
| desrt | larsu: world peace, or the pony? | 15:16 |
| * didrocks wouldn't say a world, been there in 98… | 15:16 | |
| didrocks | word* | 15:16 |
| Laney | the world was peaceful in 1998? | 15:17 |
| didrocks | France won world cup | 15:17 |
| didrocks | that's the only thing I remember | 15:17 |
| didrocks | (and this is what people still refers here) | 15:17 |
| didrocks | (sad that I hate soccer) | 15:18 |
| desrt | world cup in taking dives, right? | 15:18 |
| Laney | I got my first laptop! | 15:18 |
| didrocks | desrt: pfffff | 15:18 |
| larsu | Laney: pretty sure I've seen you with a laptop before | 15:18 |
| didrocks | man… it's not Friday | 15:19 |
| desrt | larsu: in 98... | 15:19 |
| didrocks | that was obviously trolling | 15:19 |
| larsu | desrt: </makingajoke> | 15:19 |
| desrt | didrocks: dunno. it's IRC. context is easily lost. | 15:19 |
| didrocks | or is desrt trolling larsu in faking not understanding? | 15:19 |
| didrocks | and so, I got trolled? | 15:19 |
| didrocks | :) | 15:19 |
| desrt | and larsu is a nice guy. i don't think he would troll like that outside of friday. | 15:19 |
| Laney | wow | 15:19 |
| Laney | was googling for the scheme that gave me it | 15:19 |
| larsu | desrt: that was the point of the joke... | 15:20 |
| Laney | my school's gone all out for Microsoft | 15:20 |
| Laney | http://cambridgeppf.org/vision/3/stevens.pdf | 15:20 |
| didrocks | Laney: planning to burn your diploma? :) | 15:20 |
| larsu | oh wow: http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/the-gnu-manifesto-turns-thirty | 15:20 |
| Laney | https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=306195 | 15:21 |
| Laney | What emerged during the first year of the pilot scheme was a renewed enthusiasm for learning. According to Valerie Winch, the students' form tutor, "their interest factor has quadrupled and their motivation has gone through the roof." | 15:22 |
| Laney | \o/ | 15:22 |
| desrt | Laney: i suspect faulty calibration of interestfactorometors | 15:23 |
| Laney | no shit | 15:23 |
| Laney | we rapidly discovered (a) instant messaging (2) console emulators | 15:23 |
| didrocks | meeting time! | 15:30 |
| mlankhorst | :o | 15:30 |
| mlankhorst | no just wait 10 minutes, need to run! | 15:30 |
| mlankhorst | brb | 15:30 |
| didrocks | attente_, desrt, dgadomski, happyaron, FJKong, Laney, larsu, mlankhorst, qengho, Sweet5hark1, tkamppeter: hey! | 15:30 |
| seb128 | hey :-) | 15:30 |
| didrocks | mlankhorst: if you are not around, I'll just get to you later on | 15:31 |
| Laney | HELLO | 15:31 |
| Laney | I AM HERE FOR THE MEETING | 15:31 |
| FJKong | hello | 15:31 |
| Laney | AT THE START OF IT | 15:31 |
| dgadomski | hey o/ | 15:31 |
| desrt | didrocks is the new boss? | 15:31 |
| didrocks | #startmeeting | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Mar 17 15:31:15 2015 UTC. The chair is didrocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 15:31 |
| attente_ | hi | 15:31 |
| * didrocks notes down Laney's remark :) | 15:31 | |
| * larsu never experienced passive aggressive Laney | 15:31 | |
| Laney | just making sure man | 15:32 |
| larsu | :D | 15:32 |
| Laney | got my ass handed to me last week | 15:32 |
| * larsu remembers | 15:32 | |
| didrocks | ahah, seems seb128 was really upseting you! :) | 15:32 |
| larsu | you should have subtly pinged seb128 in there | 15:32 |
| didrocks | let's start | 15:32 |
| didrocks | #topic attente_ | 15:32 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: attente_ | ||
| didrocks | attente_: hey! | 15:32 |
| attente_ | stop u-s-d and u-c-c from pulling in fcitx-bin on dist-upgrade, which was causing it to become default... | 15:33 |
| attente_ | i've got ibus somewhat running under mir, but it requires a lot of user intervention and the candidate window needs debugging | 15:33 |
| seb128 | Laney, nice to see you are on time for the meeting for once | 15:33 |
| seb128 | :-) | 15:33 |
| desrt | seb128: ya. i was surprised too. | 15:33 |
| Laney | didrocks: take control of these guys | 15:33 |
| didrocks | Laney: not really, I find that funny :) | 15:34 |
| didrocks | attente_: did you put on a wiki the necessary steps for setting up ibus under mir? | 15:34 |
| attente_ | didrocks: no, i can write them up though. it is really not user friendly... | 15:34 |
| larsu | step 1) chown some device node to get mir running | 15:35 |
| didrocks | attente_: well, once think you made enough progress, it would probably be worthwile to write that down so that we can maybe help there in the automation | 15:35 |
| didrocks | (just an idea) | 15:35 |
| didrocks | attente_: anything else? (are you done?) | 15:36 |
| attente_ | didrocks: that's it | 15:36 |
| didrocks | thanks attente_ | 15:36 |
| didrocks | #topic desrt | 15:36 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: desrt | ||
| desrt | sorry | 15:36 |
| didrocks | hey desrt | 15:36 |
| desrt | gotta run | 15:36 |
| desrt | back in 10 | 15:36 |
| didrocks | #troll | 15:36 |
| desrt | i meant 10 seconds | 15:37 |
| desrt | anyway | 15:37 |
| desrt | last week i did mostly cleanup of documentation stuff in preparation for the release | 15:37 |
| desrt | wasted a lot of time trying to understand the weird hybrid of docbook/markdown that's in gtk-doc, then wrote some patches to fix things up | 15:37 |
| desrt | and did some fixes in glib itself | 15:37 |
| desrt | we're now at a spot where we have (almost) no warnings on building the docbook xml, so i hope to enable that by default (and throw errors when it fails) by the next release | 15:38 |
| desrt | i also did releases yesterday | 15:38 |
| desrt | and i've been working on my jhbuild-in-debootstrap-chroot stuff as well | 15:38 |
| desrt | that's all | 15:38 |
| didrocks | desrt: mind fixing systemd docbook xml as well while you are at it, seems you love that? (there are still some warnings ;)) | 15:38 |
| desrt | i don't actually enjoy this :p | 15:39 |
| desrt | but uh... we always have problems with missing new symbols in glib documentation | 15:39 |
| desrt | and nobody notices because they're lost in the raft of other warnings | 15:39 |
| desrt | so we really needed to get on top of that.... | 15:39 |
| * larsu never has this problem | 15:39 | |
| desrt | naturally, larsu is #1 offender | 15:39 |
| didrocks | yeah, would be nice to be able to stop missing symbols in documentation :) | 15:39 |
| desrt | (...tied with everyone else) | 15:39 |
| didrocks | nice work desrt, even if tedious! | 15:39 |
| desrt | fin. | 15:40 |
| * didrocks got the last word as if it was a familiar language | 15:40 | |
| didrocks | #topic dgadomski | 15:40 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: dgadomski | ||
| didrocks | dgadomski: hey, anything to share with us this week? | 15:40 |
| dgadomski | hello guys | 15:40 |
| dgadomski | refactoring and cleaning up patch for bug #1337873 | 15:40 |
| ubot5 | bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "Precise, Trusty, Utopic - ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873 | 15:40 |
| dgadomski | trying to get some support from upstream for kernel feature backport (bug #1104230) | 15:40 |
| ubot5 | bug 1104230 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "DisplayPort 1.2 MST support is missing in the Intel driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1104230 | 15:40 |
| dgadomski | verifying cyphermox's fix for bug #1386131 (waiting for actual user's preseed file to test it 'in the wild') - looks good so far | 15:41 |
| ubot5 | bug 1386131 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Trusty) "Preseeding encrypted lvm fails instead of asking for password" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386131 | 15:41 |
| didrocks | nice! anything needed from us? | 15:41 |
| dgadomski | my email to the desktop mailing list about the mount options in nautilus still lacks response, seb128 was saying about providing some feedback to start a discussion | 15:42 |
| dgadomski | I would appreciate that if possible | 15:42 |
| didrocks | dgadomski: noting down, today he's at a sprint, but we will look at it tomorrow | 15:42 |
| dgadomski | cool, thanks | 15:42 |
| dgadomski | that's all from me today | 15:43 |
| didrocks | thanks dgadomski! | 15:43 |
| didrocks | #topic happyaron | 15:43 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: happyaron | ||
| didrocks | happyaron: hey, around? | 15:43 |
| desrt | if willcooke was running this meeting, he'd have the notes for pasting | 15:44 |
| desrt | just saying.... | 15:44 |
| didrocks | desrt: I got some, but none from happyaron | 15:44 |
| didrocks | (fw by willcooke) | 15:44 |
| desrt | if willcooke was running this meeting, he'd have made some up! | 15:44 |
| didrocks | not sure if he got them too late | 15:44 |
| didrocks | ahah | 15:44 |
| didrocks | well: | 15:44 |
| didrocks | - make fcitx installed on the live | 15:44 |
| didrocks | - MIR for cmake-extra | 15:45 |
| didrocks | . | 15:45 |
| didrocks | DONE ;) | 15:45 |
| desrt | not bad ;) | 15:45 |
| didrocks | and all true! | 15:45 |
| desrt | ya. that's the impressive part :) | 15:45 |
| didrocks | #topic FJKong | 15:45 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: FJKong | ||
| FJKong | hey | 15:45 |
| FJKong | continue pinyin searching now need find a key value database to store result of converting, optimize speed of converting | 15:45 |
| didrocks | FJKong: around? I don't have fake notes for you though :p | 15:45 |
| FJKong | locate problem of bug :fcitx cpu 100% in calling of dbus | 15:45 |
| FJKong | utuntu phone env setup and learn how to start to make a scope | 15:45 |
| Laney | he also fixed presage to not pull more stuff into main | 15:46 |
| didrocks | FJKong: oh, some scope hacking, enjoy :) | 15:46 |
| didrocks | FJKong: should we be concerned about the fcitx cpu bug? | 15:46 |
| FJKong | didrocks: I think it is cause by sogou module | 15:47 |
| didrocks | FJKong: keep us posted,now that fcitx is installed by default, in case is triggered by $anything | 15:47 |
| FJKong | so only in these who install sogou input method | 15:47 |
| didrocks | ok, sounds at least located, if you need help, do not hesitate | 15:47 |
| FJKong | didrocks: thanks | 15:48 |
| didrocks | yw, thanks! | 15:48 |
| didrocks | #topic Laney | 15:48 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Laney | ||
| * larsu wonders if Laney is even here | 15:48 | |
| desrt | didrocks: he went for a walk ;) | 15:48 |
| didrocks | larsu: was going to write approx. the same :) | 15:48 |
| * desrt watches Laney rack up the points with each passing moment | 15:48 | |
| Laney | :) | 15:48 |
| larsu | we should all stop making the same jokes | 15:49 |
| Laney | I was finding a cool unicode symbol | 15:49 |
| Laney | think I've topped all others | 15:49 |
| Laney | • Package new wallpapers | 15:49 |
| Laney | • Updates gdk-pixbuf pinta gvfs empathy intltool (in Debian too) | 15:49 |
| Laney | • Stab at failing image builds | 15:49 |
| Laney | ∘ qtquickcontrols MIR & testsuite fixes | 15:49 |
| Laney | ∘ fonts-* stuff | 15:49 |
| Laney | ∘ test failure blocking promotion from pending to current | 15:49 |
| Laney | • Discussions about how best to do fcitx by default for zh | 15:49 |
| Laney | • Merge patch to runtime detect spam software in evo | 15:49 |
| Laney | • Poke about making sure MSN and FB chat are disabled | 15:49 |
| Laney | • FFes and fun stuff like that | 15:49 |
| Laney | ℻ | 15:49 |
| larsu | haha | 15:49 |
| didrocks | nice unicode char :) | 15:49 |
| didrocks | thanks for looking at the failing image builds btw, nice to get some | 15:50 |
| desrt | as in "and those are the ℻ about what i've been working on" ? | 15:50 |
| desrt | or is there some other meaning to this word? | 15:50 |
| * larsu mumbles something about the late 80s | 15:50 | |
| didrocks | larsu: while you are mumbling, it's your turn! | 15:51 |
| didrocks | #topic larsu | 15:51 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: larsu | ||
| larsu | theming week again \o/ | 15:51 |
| Laney | there's also ㍶ btw | 15:51 |
| larsu | well, at least partly: I played around a lot trying to make totem's osd look nice | 15:51 |
| larsu | couldn't get anything good (turns out I'm not a visual designer) so I went all minimal | 15:52 |
| larsu | also finished up the titlebar branch a bit | 15:52 |
| Laney | what did -doc say? | 15:52 |
| larsu | nothing yet? | 15:52 |
| Laney | ok? | 15:52 |
| larsu | I think my ffe exception mail is still in some moderator queue | 15:52 |
| larsu | at least I didn't get a response | 15:52 |
| larsu | there was also quite some discussion about headerbar styling (again) this week | 15:53 |
| larsu | and gedit (again) | 15:53 |
| larsu | with no result (again) | 15:53 |
| didrocks | :( | 15:53 |
| didrocks | larsu: on -doc, IIRC, dpm has some moderation power on the ML, maybe ping him? (I may be wrong) | 15:54 |
| larsu | dpm: ping ^^ | 15:54 |
| dpm | didrocks, larsu, I don't think I've got admin on that list, just ubuntu-translators | 15:54 |
| didrocks | larsu: got luck with the moderators hunting then! | 15:55 |
| didrocks | thanks dpm :) | 15:55 |
| dpm | sorry I couldn't help much | 15:55 |
| desrt | larsu: could always just join the list? | 15:55 |
| didrocks | yeah, let's try to get it moving, larsu tell us if you need help, I can look if I got some archives about who did what on that list | 15:56 |
| didrocks | ok, let's move on | 15:56 |
| larsu | bah sorry connection troubles | 15:56 |
| didrocks | no worry, anything to add? | 15:57 |
| larsu | something's wrong with this machine's wifi | 15:57 |
| larsu | ya | 15:57 |
| didrocks | ja* | 15:57 |
| larsu | did some hacking on gnome-desktop because of a background issue on ubiquity | 15:57 |
| larsu | in summary: our hidpi wallpaper situation is *bad* | 15:57 |
| larsu | as in, we scale the image down and back up | 15:58 |
| larsu | resulting in a blurry bg | 15:58 |
| larsu | I also started looking into the change password dialog in u-c-c not working, but was distracted by all the previous stuff I mentioned | 15:58 |
| seb128 | larsu, wfm, I used today | 15:58 |
| seb128 | the change pwd | 15:58 |
| larsu | seb128: oh. Not for me?! | 15:59 |
| larsu | interesting | 15:59 |
| seb128 | works on my 2 laptops | 15:59 |
| seb128 | including ecryptfs | 15:59 |
| seb128 | so dunno, but let me know if you figure it out ;-) | 15:59 |
| larsu | apparently it got fixed since I looked at it last week? | 15:59 |
| larsu | whatevs. I'll have another look | 15:59 |
| larsu | </larsu> | 15:59 |
| didrocks | thanks larsu | 16:00 |
| didrocks | #topic qengho | 16:00 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: qengho | ||
| didrocks | qengho: hey, how is going the chromium world? | 16:00 |
| qengho | It's okay. Jut one item so far this week. | 16:00 |
| qengho | - Working on chromium pixel-density strangeness. Old Gtk2 tab-bars perhaps fixed, needs testing. Off-screen pop-up windows still a mystery. | 16:00 |
| qengho | EOF | 16:00 |
| didrocks | oh, that was will's bug, right? | 16:01 |
| qengho | The second part is his. | 16:01 |
| qengho | THe first is a different one. | 16:01 |
| didrocks | ok, interesting, seems some kind of *dpi week ;) | 16:01 |
| didrocks | thanks qengho | 16:02 |
| didrocks | #topic mlankhorst | 16:02 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: mlankhorst | ||
| didrocks | mlankhorst: I gave you some additional minutes, hoping you are back now! | 16:02 |
| didrocks | (seems so from #ubuntu-devel) | 16:02 |
| didrocks | ok, let's see if he's back again later | 16:03 |
| didrocks | #topic tkamppeter | 16:04 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: tkamppeter | ||
| didrocks | tkamppeter: around? | 16:04 |
| tkamppeter | Yes | 16:04 |
| tkamppeter | - Organization of the OpenPrinting Summit 2015 | 16:04 |
| tkamppeter | - hplip: Fixed another Python3 transition bug | 16:04 |
| tkamppeter | - Bugs | 16:04 |
| tkamppeter | - Moving to Brazil | 16:04 |
| didrocks | moving to Brazil? nice! | 16:05 |
| larsu | oh cool! | 16:05 |
| larsu | tkamppeter: where are you moving to? | 16:05 |
| desrt | tkamppeter: if you were sick of mitte, you could have tried kreuzburg | 16:05 |
| larsu | desrt: *kreuzberg | 16:05 |
| * larsu teaches this guy German all the way from Schlesisches Tor | 16:05 | |
| tkamppeter | Yes, now I am in the middle of the move, the big boxes with the stuff are sent out and I will fly on Friday. | 16:06 |
| desrt | burg... berg... it's all bahnhof to me | 16:06 |
| larsu | desrt: you mean castle / mountain | 16:06 |
| tkamppeter | And a lot of furniture and a car have been sold. | 16:06 |
| Laney | not the printer collection | 16:07 |
| didrocks | ahah :) | 16:07 |
| Laney | dear god please not the printer collection | 16:07 |
| larsu | tkamppeter: have a safe trip! | 16:07 |
| didrocks | tkamppeter: good luck with the move! | 16:07 |
| desrt | tkamppeter: safe travels :) | 16:07 |
| tkamppeter | It goes to Belo Horizonte, third largest city of Brazil, capital of the state Minas Gerais, birth place of my wife. | 16:07 |
| desrt | tkamppeter: lots of family there, i guess? | 16:07 |
| tkamppeter | desrt, I had already moved from Mitte to Pankow earlier. | 16:07 |
| desrt | tkamppeter: yuck. no wonder you want to move to another country ;) | 16:08 |
| desrt | outside the ring, man!! | 16:08 |
| tkamppeter | The printer collection is partially sold, mainly very old or broken printers, and three printers are in the big box. | 16:08 |
| larsu | desrt: don't talk down on Pankow. | 16:08 |
| larsu | desrt: just don't. | 16:08 |
| desrt | larsu: too close to home? | 16:09 |
| larsu | no it's actually quite far | 16:09 |
| larsu | but it's nice there | 16:09 |
| larsu | my grandparents used to live there | 16:09 |
| didrocks | let's continue best locations (it's Lyon anyway) discussion later on… | 16:09 |
| didrocks | thanks tkamppeter, and safe flight! | 16:10 |
| didrocks | #topic seb128 | 16:10 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: seb128 | ||
| seb128 | hey | 16:10 |
| tkamppeter | desrt, but it was very close to the ring, so one went more to Prenzlauer Berg for shopping and not to Pankow. | 16:10 |
| seb128 | • updated tbe click chroot code to handle missing upstart (was making sdk env | 16:10 |
| seb128 | creation bug) | 16:10 |
| seb128 | • submitted fix for invalid gvariant ref handling in telephony-service, | 16:10 |
| seb128 | thanks larsu for pointing out the problem | 16:10 |
| seb128 | • helped robert_ancell to get sort out sync/blacklist issues for some | 16:10 |
| seb128 | fonts packages | 16:10 |
| seb128 | • updated uitk example gallery to use valid documentation references | 16:10 |
| seb128 | • reported some issues with the developer website | 16:10 |
| seb128 | • looked more at the gnome-bg hidpi issues | 16:10 |
| seb128 | • ubuntu-system-settings | 16:10 |
| tkamppeter | Yes, a lot of family in BH. | 16:10 |
| seb128 | ∘ fixed text entries not getting the initial focus in bt pairing dialog | 16:10 |
| seb128 | (and sim forwarding) | 16:10 |
| seb128 | • tried to make the phone advertize over bt as a phone rather than a computer with init scripts but that seems to not work reliably, need to maybe look at a different way to do that (config override?) | 16:10 |
| seb128 | • investigated a bit bluetooth autopairing of input device (not having to confirm the 0000 number manually) | 16:10 |
| seb128 | that's it from me ;-) | 16:10 |
| seb128 | hey from London btw | 16:10 |
| seb128 | thanks didrocks for handling the meeting ;-) | 16:10 |
| desrt | seb128: say hi to everyone there :) | 16:10 |
| * didrocks sends some sun to seb128 | 16:10 | |
| didrocks | seb128: yw! | 16:11 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oh, sun from the south of France, niiiice | 16:11 |
| seb128 | desrt, k :-) | 16:11 |
| * desrt waits for it | 16:11 | |
| didrocks | seb128: so previsible | 16:11 |
| seb128 | :p | 16:11 |
| didrocks | predictable* | 16:11 |
| desrt | *shrug* http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/previsible | 16:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: enjoy the rest of meetings there, thanks for stopping by! | 16:12 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 16:12 |
| didrocks | #topic robert_ancell | 16:12 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: robert_ancell | ||
| didrocks | Worked on: | 16:13 |
| didrocks | - XMir handover | 16:13 |
| didrocks | - lightdm SRUs | 16:13 |
| didrocks | - Indic fonts | 16:13 |
| didrocks | Currently working on: | 16:13 |
| didrocks | - TPM | 16:13 |
| didrocks | #topic TheMuso | 16:13 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: TheMuso | ||
| didrocks | * More unity 7 dash accessibility work. | 16:13 |
| didrocks | * Begun installer accessibility testing, to ensure no regressions. | 16:13 |
| didrocks | #topic didrocks | 16:13 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: didrocks | ||
| didrocks | Ubuntu Make: | 16:13 |
| didrocks | - did a minor release with user experience enhancements and bug/tests fixes (more info on https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/EP1DNeEkknx) | 16:14 |
| didrocks | systemd: | 16:14 |
| didrocks | - upstream discussion on fsckd changes that were needed to be done. Posted patches with the suggestions. All but one were reviewed, waiting for some feedbacks. | 16:14 |
| didrocks | - worked on nfs-utils/data transitions, waiting now on Steve's answer. | 16:14 |
| didrocks | - worked on whoopsie and whoopsie-preferences systemd integration followup to fix bugs #1412719 and bugs #1431432. In vivid now. As the transition is quite complex, I would appreciate if someone could test it as well with unity control center. | 16:14 |
| didrocks | - started to replace during pitti's vacations handling/looking at systemd-related bugs. | 16:14 |
| ubot5 | bug 1412719 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "wait-for-state restarts whoopsie every 30sec" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1412719 | 16:14 |
| didrocks | Misc: | 16:14 |
| ubot5 | bug 1431432 in whoopsie-preferences (Ubuntu) "conffiles prompt on vivid upgrade if report_metrics is enabled" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431432 | 16:14 |
| didrocks | - media-hub and cmake-extra MIR review/acking | 16:14 |
| didrocks | - discussions on MIR process for components nobody doesn't really want to own and archive admin processes (with demotion and promotion of some components to "fix" tracker/grilo-plugins situations). | 16:14 |
| didrocks | - various fcitx/image size discussions while getting it by default on the live image. | 16:14 |
| didrocks | . | 16:14 |
| didrocks | #topic misc | 16:14 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: misc | ||
| didrocks | any pending questions? | 16:14 |
| didrocks | hdpi discussions that we need to have? :) | 16:14 |
| didrocks | or input method? | 16:14 |
| desrt | anyone know a launchpad hacker? :) | 16:14 |
| larsu | yes, we do | 16:14 |
| tkamppeter | Thanks and Obrigado all for the good wishes for my move! | 16:14 |
| desrt | this is annoying: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/335161 | 16:15 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 335161 in Launchpad itself "PPAs should export Contents-amd64.gz files" [Low,Triaged] | 16:15 |
| larsu | didrocks: but really, we need a sprint | 16:15 |
| didrocks | desrt: starts with a c ;) | 16:15 |
| desrt | sorry. rather this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/638498 | 16:15 |
| didrocks | larsu: +1 | 16:15 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 638498 in Launchpad itself "Contents files are not listed with checksums" [Low,Triaged] | 16:15 |
| desrt | it's making it more difficult to support 'jhbuild sysdeps --install' for ubuntu | 16:15 |
| didrocks | desrt: hum, I think we can get some urls with it, let me check after meeting | 16:15 |
| didrocks | the first one at least, I don't remember about the checksums | 16:16 |
| desrt | didrocks: i know the files are online... trouble is they're not listed in the Release file | 16:16 |
| didrocks | needs to check old CI train code | 16:16 |
| didrocks | oh really? sounds weird | 16:16 |
| desrt | ya... | 16:16 |
| seb128 | desrt, try asking cjwatson maybe :-) | 16:16 |
| didrocks | yeah, that was my c* hint :) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | he moved to launchpad | 16:16 |
| desrt | interesting | 16:16 |
| desrt | that sounds very promising indeed :) | 16:17 |
| Laney | I predict a bzr branch lp:launchpad in desrt's future | 16:17 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:17 |
| didrocks | Laney: went there as well? :) | 16:17 |
| desrt | desrt@humber:~$ bzr | 16:17 |
| desrt | bash: bzr: command not found | 16:17 |
| desrt | *cough* | 16:17 |
| didrocks | desrt: if bzr is the issue, there is a cool git plugin :) | 16:17 |
| Laney | git bzr clone! | 16:17 |
| desrt | sounds too much like 'git bz' | 16:17 |
| desrt | anyway... one other piece of business | 16:18 |
| desrt | i just wanted to say that this meeting was run in an extremely excellent way | 16:18 |
| desrt | i quite enjoyed it | 16:18 |
| didrocks | thanks desrt :) | 16:18 |
| larsu | I'm just happy noone was on strike | 16:18 |
| didrocks | roh :p | 16:18 |
| desrt | took me a second ;) | 16:18 |
| larsu | didrocks: :P Thanks for running the meeting! | 16:18 |
| didrocks | yw guys! | 16:19 |
| didrocks | #endmeeting | 16:19 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Issues with GTK 3.14? Check here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/gtk-update-v | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Mar 17 16:19:14 2015 UTC. | 16:19 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-03-17-15.31.moin.txt | 16:19 |
| didrocks | thanks everyone :) | 16:19 |
| larsu | so I think we should talk about headerbars, hidpi, and fcitx now | 16:19 |
| didrocks | oh, forgot about headbars in this "what to discuss" proposal | 16:20 |
| didrocks | sorry about it ;) | 16:20 |
| larsu | ;) | 16:20 |
| didrocks | headerbars* | 16:20 |
| * larsu prefers headbars | 16:20 | |
| Laney | ffffffframe extents | 16:20 |
| attente_ | what's to discuss about fcitx? | 16:20 |
| larsu | Laney: sigh | 16:20 |
| desrt | ya... we talk about them enough that saving the two extra characters may reduce RSI | 16:20 |
| Laney | haha | 16:20 |
| desrt | h7r | 16:20 |
| larsu | Laney: maybe we should just byte the bullet and patch gtk to not supress the decorations | 16:21 |
| * didrocks likes h7r | 16:21 | |
| Laney | ... | 16:22 |
| Laney | let's have a h7r amnesty for a few weeks | 16:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, so, I'm on a slow box but u-c-c freezes for like 15 seconds when checking the whoopsie box | 16:24 |
| seb128 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10616144/ | 16:24 |
| seb128 | " object_path=0x3e14c70 "/com/ubuntu/WhoopsiePreferences", interface_name=0xffffffffffffffff <error: Cannot access memory at address 0xffffffffffffffff>, | 16:24 |
| seb128 | interface_name@entry=0x3df7960 "com.ubuntu.WhoopsiePreferences", method_name=0x1 <error: Cannot access memory at address 0x1>," | 16:24 |
| seb128 | the cannot access memory looks weird to me | 16:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: waow, everytime? | 16:25 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I'm doing some sync subprocess call | 16:25 |
| didrocks | that's what I wanted to check | 16:25 |
| didrocks | I don't think the memory address issue is linked to it | 16:25 |
| seb128 | k | 16:25 |
| didrocks | but ok, you confirm that can be slow on some box | 16:25 |
| didrocks | I'll change that logic | 16:25 |
| larsu | why isn't this in gsettings? | 16:26 |
| didrocks | larsu: it was some conffiles before, now it's piloting enablement/disablement of a systemd service | 16:26 |
| didrocks | larsu: and systemd doesn't have a "start if this key is true/false" | 16:26 |
| larsu | didrocks: maybe we should add that :) | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | +1 ... and while you are at it do the same for the android property service since we will need the same feature on phones | 16:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 16:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: thank you for testing! | 16:28 |
| seb128 | yw! | 16:28 |
| larsu | ogra_: what do we need that for? | 16:29 |
| didrocks | larsu: I think there were some opposition for that | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | larsu, en/disabling system services when the container switches something on/off | 16:29 |
| didrocks | like for ConditionExec= | 16:29 |
| larsu | didrocks: color me surprised | 16:29 |
| larsu | ogra_: ah, this way around. I thought hooking it up to gsettings | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | larsu, drivers and their managing daemons run inside the container ... the properties get set or unset by these daemons, userspace runs completely on the ubuntu side ... | 16:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oh, just got a segfault... | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | for upstart we have a "property-bridge" that handles this | 16:30 |
| didrocks | seb128: if you have a traceback handy… :) | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | larsu, ah, no, no gsettings ... but the feature on the systemd side wouldnt be much different | 16:31 |
| larsu | indeed | 16:31 |
| desrt | so.. cjwatson already has a fix that he's testing | 16:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: the segfault is on the backend, right? | 16:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's the only part I touched | 16:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10616178/ | 16:32 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no, u-c-c, but it happens if you go out of the panel before the call returned I guess | 16:32 |
| cyphermox | dgadomski: could I provide you with a preseed? | 16:32 |
| seb128 | that might not be a new bug | 16:32 |
| seb128 | didrocks, where is the enable/disable status stored? | 16:32 |
| dgadomski | cyphermox: for testing? | 16:32 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I'm pretty sure something like this already existed | 16:32 |
| didrocks | seb128: systemd | 16:32 |
| didrocks | seb128: there is no "intermediate storage" anymore | 16:33 |
| didrocks | systemctl status whoopsie | 16:33 |
| dgadomski | cyphermox: sure | 16:33 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oh, ok | 16:33 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's fine for touch as well? | 16:33 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, it also changes the upstart state | 16:33 |
| didrocks | I don't know about the first enable/disable feedback | 16:34 |
| didrocks | but starting/stopping can be async | 16:34 |
| didrocks | (it wasn't before) | 16:34 |
| didrocks | so I guess you already had trouble under upstart with this machine | 16:35 |
| seb128 | it's not freezing anymore now, go figure | 16:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, at least changing value seems to work fine | 16:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: it should enable/disable + starts/stops | 16:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: the other settings now changes /etc/whoopsie | 16:35 |
| didrocks | and /etc/default/whoopsie should be removed on upgrade | 16:36 |
| didrocks | (and transitioned) | 16:36 |
| seb128 | that one was removed yeah | 16:36 |
| seb128 | I looked in there first | 16:36 |
| seb128 | so seems to work as it should :-) | 16:36 |
| didrocks | phew, thanks seb128 :) | 16:37 |
| seb128 | yw! | 16:37 |
| cyphermox | dgadomski: yeah, for testing; I keep the preseed files around, it gets useful | 16:39 |
| dgadomski | cyphermox: please attach them to any of the lp bugs if applicable | 16:40 |
| cyphermox | ack | 16:41 |
| desrt | oh. one more thing i found recently that's annoying me: 'df' is messed up | 16:51 |
| desrt | on my utopic system.... and on jessie it seems to be working fine | 16:52 |
| didrocks | desrt: btrfs? | 16:52 |
| desrt | it seems that the way that it works is by opening /etc/mtab and then calling stat() on each of the listed mountpoints | 16:52 |
| desrt | then it removes duplicates, by st_dev comparison | 16:53 |
| desrt | but (here's the stupid part) it shows the _last_ item for each st_dev | 16:53 |
| desrt | so if you do a bind mount, it will show the bind mount destination as the mountpoint | 16:53 |
| desrt | instead of the original one | 16:53 |
| desrt | so i get stupid output like /srv/mirror 1442015700 351365208 1017377232 26% /home/desrt/jhbuild/jessie-amd64-itstool/srv/mirror | 16:53 |
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