[00:03] <mariogrip> that's correct file. humm, i haven't run into this problem before, but yo can try to first edit the file, then run make showcommands bootimage and you can look at the output if you can find a sign to where it might edit/replace the files that you edited.
[00:15] <randy1> make showcommands? no rule to make
[00:18] <mariogrip> ? humm, i just tested it, and it works for me. i have used it many times,
[00:20] <mariogrip> just checking, did you run . build/envsetup.sh, and lunch [your device]
[00:21] <mariogrip> http://elinux.org/Android_Build_System#Build_tricks
[00:27] <randy1> hm. yeah, i setup everything up right. but i guess something's wrong.
[00:29] <randy1> gah. wrong directory.
[00:29] <mariogrip> :P
[00:29] <randy1> :) it's running now
[00:29] <mariogrip> :D
[00:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: system-settings depends on dbus-property-service, and if we depend on lxc-android-config, that will probably end up installing it on desktops
[00:47] <rsalveti> which is not something we want
[00:58] <randy1> make showcommands bootimage seems to just look for a prebuilt kernel, not build my kernel from source. still no-go applying check-config.
[01:03] <mariogrip> randy1, then you need to tell it to build your kenel
[01:04] <mariogrip> tip: BoardConfig.mk
[01:05] <mariogrip> :P you getting closer to result
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> eikon81g: i dont think it will run on ipad
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> !devices | eikon81g
[04:18] <eikon81g> thanks lotuspsychje you tha man
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> eikon81g: the XDA forums also have ports to other devices
[04:19] <eikon81g> yea, I was looking at some of that now.. this has come quite a long way
[04:19] <eikon81g> I have a nexus 7 as well
[04:19] <eikon81g> the ipad is just activation locked..
[04:19] <eikon81g> lol
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> wich n7 do you have
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> 2012 or 2013wifi
[04:20] <eikon81g> eww good question I'd have to look it's wifi only It's prolly the 2012 version
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> you can only install touch on the 2013 version
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> i got it running fine
[04:21] <eikon81g> bummer..
[04:21] <eikon81g> real quick how do you identify which you have
[04:21] <eikon81g> serial or?
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> if it has wifi on it
[04:22] <eikon81g> umm. OH OK yea, mine is wifi LOL I was like um..
[04:22]  * eikon81g DOH!
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> then you can install touch fine on it
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> if you want me to help let me know
[04:23] <eikon81g> coolio I may do that since my ipad 2 issue is at a stand still
[04:23] <eikon81g> I WILL!! you are awesome man
[04:23] <eikon81g> thanks :)
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> eikon81g: check the wiki install in topic also
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> it will show what you need to to before install
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> do
[04:23] <eikon81g> I have experience flashing android devices and rooting so I think I will be alright If i find the guide
[04:24] <eikon81g> gotcha
[04:24] <eikon81g> does it run pretty good?
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> yes very smooth
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> im running image devel=proposed
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> fast n smooth
[04:27] <eikon81g> gotcha I'll prolly copy you lol
[04:38] <Gerowen> I just flashed my Nexus 7 to Ubuntu, and I've got one question primarily.  Why does the audio backend seem to crash randomy?  I recorded a video with the camera, but couldn't play it until I rebooted; kept getting an error regarding the backend.  Sometimes I cannot play any music, or my games will be silent, until I restart the device.  Suggestions?
[04:38] <Gerowen> Should have clarified, I flashed it to Ubuntu Touch, devel channel.
[04:38] <Gerowen> The "stable" channel doesn't have an image compatible with my device (flo).
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> Gerowen: flash it to devel-proposed
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Gerowen: you will then receive all the updates
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Gerowen: so do the same thing you installed just with the image channel=devel-proposed now
[04:40] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: I know it's a working "development" release, but is it stable enough for normal, day to day use for taking photos and such?  Does it crash a lot or have any glaring problems?  I don't mind giving feedback on issues, but I also want my device to be usable.
[04:41] <Gerowen> the devel-proposed channel is what that question is about ^^
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> i run the same on nexus7 mate
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> devel-proposed is currently best image for the n7
[04:41] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: K, will do then, thanks, :-)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> and runs smooth and fast
[04:42]  * eikon81g is away: brb
[04:44] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: One more question, getting ready to flash it, but do I need to somehow purge the existing installation, or will the ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=devel-proposed --bootstrap do that for me?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> no, just flash it over the previous one
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> that will do the trick :p
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> lets me know how it runs after install :p
[04:46] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: It's going now, we'll see how it goes, :-)
[04:54] <Gerowen> Done with the downloading, rebooted to the spinning Ubuntu logo, so it should be ready to roll here shortly.
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:01] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: Installed and working just fine, now to enter all 909308402348 of my passwords for things like Facebook, Ubuntu SSO, Google, Twitter, etc.
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> Gerowen: good luck with it mate
[05:01] <nhaines> At least with the account system it's simple.  :)
[05:02] <Gerowen> Yeah that's true.  I appreciate the help getting it upgraded, I mean it was simple enough, but I didn't know that would fix my issues, so I appreciate you helping me out, :-)
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> i also recently heared it here
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> just sharing :p
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> i was like on channel=devel from the start touch was released
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> now devel-proposed running great
[07:43] <dholbach> good morning
[09:19] <nortoboru> good morning
[09:35] <matv1> my mako failed to boot fully on mako this morning (latest devel proposed). It got stuck half way. After another boot it did load fully.
[09:35] <matv1> Anyone else seeing that?
[10:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Submarine Day! :-D
[11:20] <peat-psuwit> Which project on launchpad should I file a bug about Ubuntu's recovery?
[11:32] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, the android package
[12:02] <Gerowen> How can I get the browser to remember passwords?  When I try to share something to Facebook from a link in the browser, rather than use the Facebook application, which links in with the accounts settings on the device, it uses the browser itself which does not, and requires me to log in to Facebook every single time I share something.
[13:32] <awe_> Hey Saviq, I just saw your comments on jibel's indicator-network bug.  Could you add details on what version of Ubuntu you're running on your laptop so we can correlate to a specific version of network-manager?
[13:32] <awe_> there's a new version of NM in vivid...
[13:32] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1427205
[13:40] <ogra_> jhodapp, is something like recoding a stream live while playing it back on the feature list for media-hub or is that impossible to achieve ?
[13:41] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/ 5 minutes for a query?
[13:42] <jhodapp> ogra_, not impossible, but that's not on the roadmap yet
[13:42] <jhodapp> ogra_, that's a PVR-like functionality
[13:42]  * ogra_ would find it cool if he could just hit a record button in his internet radio app 
[13:43] <ogra_> more like a cassette recorder, but yeah :)
[13:43] <jgdx> kenvandine, I think hotswap requires work in ofono on our side
[13:43] <jgdx> kenvandine, but it's good to see that jolla have been looking at libqofono in hotswap scenarios
[13:44] <kenvandine> yeah, it made me hopeful :)
[13:45] <Saviq> awe_, sure, I'm on latest vivid and indeed the NM switch made my network all kinds of unreliable (it's gotten better now, though)
[13:46] <boud> Hi... I'm wondering why the ubuntu phone doesn't let me login with adb shell when the lock screen on the phone appears. That seems to be new behaviour? Also, if lightdm stops, I seem no longer to be able to use adb shell, which makes recovery a bit difficult.
[13:47] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, sure
[13:49] <popey> boud: it's intentional
[13:49] <popey> boud: you can only adb shell in once the phone is unlocked
[13:49] <popey> boud: alternatively, enable ssh and then ssh in any time :)
[13:50] <boud> hm, but I also seem to be locked out of ssh when that happens, especially if the phone then reboots
[13:50] <boud> popey: is there a way for me to disable that? I don't care how gross the hack is...
[13:50] <popey> i don't know
[13:56] <boud> would you by any chance know which component is repsonsible for the lock screen?
[14:01] <jgdx> kenvandine, okay, [1] is ready for another go. UUID is now dynamic and defaults are sane. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/hotspots-binding/+merge/252296
[14:01] <Elleo> boud: there's a file you can touch to allow you to access adb/ssh when the phone is locked
[14:01] <kenvandine> jgdx, cool
[14:02] <boud> Elleo: oh, that sounds useful -- which one?
[14:02] <Elleo> boud: just trying to remember what it is :P
[14:02] <boud> ah :-)
[14:02] <Elleo> boud: it also gets done for you automatically if you flash with --developer-mode I think
[14:03] <ogra_> boud, touch /userdata/.adb_onlock
[14:03] <Elleo> ah, there we go :)
[14:03] <ogra_> and reboot
[14:03] <boud> thanks!
[14:03] <ogra_> (and yes, the name of the file is a funny typo that mandel made when adding it :)
[14:03] <Elleo> heh
[14:09] <boud> I had to type that four times to get it right :-)
[14:20] <tedg> pmcgowan, I can't get errors.u.c to give me a listing by channel anymore. Do you have a trick there?
[14:35] <pmcgowan> tedg, I see a choice for channels
[14:37] <davmor2> ogra_: .adb_onlock that doesn't look funny writable_image on the other hand is wrong
[14:37] <tedg> pmcgowan, I see a choice, but it never fills out. And if I used old URLs they don't seem to come up with the data (just clears).
[14:37] <tedg> pmcgowan, Can you paste me a URL for vivid-proposed?
[14:39] <pmcgowan> tedg, https://errors.ubuntu.com/?channel_name=ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed&device_name=mako&period=day
[14:44] <tedg> pmcgowan, Cool, that works. Thanks. Not sure why it wasn't working before :-/
[14:45] <pmcgowan> tedg, vg
[14:55] <mpt> Oh dear, I’ve forgotten my passcode :-x
[14:55] <boud> I must be doing something really wrong, because having /userdata/.adb_onlock doesn't make a difference, I still need to unlock the phone to login
[14:56] <ogra_> boud, works fine here, adb shell just lets me in
[14:57] <ogra_> (and it would break all automated testing if it wouldnt work, we use it there everywhere)
[14:57] <boud> yes, I must have done something wronge here, but I haven't found it yet
[15:04] <dobey> boud: reboot? if adb is already running on the phone, it might not pick up on the file having been created after. restarting adb should fix it
[15:05] <Elleo> boud: try /data/.adb_onlock I seem to have it in both /userdata/ and /data/ not entirely sure why
[15:06] <boud> ok
[15:07] <ogra_> well, tchincally you shouldnt have /data
[15:07] <ogra_> *technically
[15:07] <boud> it seems to exist, though, so I'm trying that now
[15:07] <Elleo> ogra_: shouldn't have the file there, or shouldn't have /data at all?
[15:07] <ogra_> Elleo, /data should only exist in recovery ... on a runnin system it should be mounted as /userdata/android-data/
[15:08] <boud> Now I have "error: protocol fault (no status)"
[15:08] <Elleo> ogra_: well it exists on my phone when running normally and is a symlink to /android/data
[15:09] <Elleo> ogra_: I've been doing OTA upgrades on this phone without a --wipe for a long time, so perhaps its a hang over from earlier images?
[15:10] <Elleo> ogra_: although if boud sees it as well that'd seem to suggest its present on devel-proposed in general
[15:10] <ogra_> yeah, i see it too
[15:10] <ogra_> i might mis-remember
[15:10] <Elleo> ah, okay
[17:03] <rww> Howdy. I'm installing Ubuntu Touch on hammerhead, and ubuntu-device-flash can't find a system image for it on the default server. Is there some other server I should be pointing it at?
[17:04] <rww> never mind, just found the right wikipage with the answer :)
[18:59] <studio_> hi
[19:01] <studio_> is there a kernel problem with the bq E4.5 and the OTG (USB 2.0)?
[19:10] <AskUbuntu_> Ubuntu Phone carrier disappeared | http://askubuntu.com/q/598001
[19:15] <studio_> can't confirm that on Ubuntu 14.10 r16! it's still working
[19:19] <studio_> but what about usb-devices via otg on the e4.5? they are not working direct nor with an active usb-hub. also the usb-hub is not identified
[19:29] <davmor2> studio_: adb only works while the phone is unlocked
[19:29] <studio_> i do not talk about adb i talk about devices
[19:30] <studio_> mouse, keyboard, usb-storrage etc.
[19:32] <davmor2> studio_: no idea then I don't think there would be an issue other than mir/input using them
[19:32] <studio_> they are not working on android or ubuntu-touch. therfor i thought it is "maybe" a problem with the kernel ...
[19:33] <davmor2> probably just not supported in that mode then
[19:35] <studio_> davmor2, what do you mean with "mode"?
[19:36] <davmor2> studio_: as in it supports mtp/adb as an i/o mode but nothing else
[19:39] <studio_> the E4.5 supports otg, as bq told on their pages, but here it is not working. wiki sayed otg is compatible to usb 2.0, but also not working. for that reason i thought the kernel is "not so good" ...
[19:42] <studio_> i thought the bq E4.5 is "the ubuntu-touch" device in the moment. do i have to ask bq for that problem?
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: OTG is not supported
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: it is not supported by Ubuntu yet
[19:46] <studio_> but otg is usb 2.0, isn't it?
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: some things may or may not work if you get lucky
[19:47] <dobey> it uses usb 2.0, i do not think it is part of the usb 2.0 specification
[19:47] <studio_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go
[19:48] <dobey> yes i know how to use a search engine thanks
[19:49] <studio_> as wiki said, otg is usb 2.0
[19:50] <dobey> no it doesn't say that
[19:50] <dobey> it says OTG is a *supplement* to USB 2.0
[19:50] <dobey> it requires 2.0, but 2.0 does not require OTG
[19:51] <studio_> USB OTG devices are backward-compatible with USB 2.0
[19:54] <dobey> i don't know what you're trying to say, but i've already answered you. OTG is not well supported by ubuntu yet. if you manage to get a keyboard or mouse working on it, then you are lucky.
[19:56] <studio_> as i told, otg is also not working in the android version, and they are using the same kernel. that was, why i thought there is maybe a problem with the kernel ...
[19:56] <dobey> it's not the exact same kernel
[19:56] <dobey> it's close, but not exact
[19:56] <studio_> on my device it is.
[19:57] <dobey> if it doesn't work in android either though, and the specs for the phone say it does, then you need to ask bq i guess
[19:57] <dobey> no it isn't. not unelss you horribly broke your device anyway
[19:57] <dobey> it might be the same kernel release version, but they are not the exact same binary
[19:57] <studio_> that is what i told before, may i have to ask bq for that problem ....
[19:58] <dobey> *sigh*
[20:01] <studio_> dobey, sorry for my mistake, i thought it is a known problem here on ubuntu-touch
[20:02] <dobey> well it is known that ubuntu doesn't really support otg yet
[20:03] <dobey> but we can't tell you why you'd have issues with otg on android
[20:04] <studio_> but back to the flight mode an not working sim card. i tried 3 times flight mode and back, i justed typed my pin and it was working without problems on the 14.10 (r16)
[20:04] <studio_> maybe this can help you ...
[20:19] <davmor2> studio_: feel free to report a bug for that
[20:23] <nhaines> I'm annoyed that with the upgrade to r17, my Camera and Weather app icons disappeared.  Reinstalling the apps only made them reappear until I rebooted.
[20:23] <taiebot> Hey trying to get my syslog for  my bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1431026 but all the output is from Aug the 19th? file is 7.8MiB is that normal?
[20:28] <studio_> davmor2, i do not have this bug, that bug came from AskUbuntu_ ...  http://askubuntu.com/q/598001
[20:28] <dobey> nhaines: that's quite odd
[20:28] <dobey> nhaines: they certainly haven't gone anywhere on my phone
[20:29] <dobey> taiebot: aug 19, 1970? if the system clock is messed up, the times might be wrong. but you should be able to see the latest stuff. do you have wifi enabled/working?
[20:30] <dobey> huh
[20:30] <taiebot> dobey: no wifi was disabled before reboot
[20:31] <dobey> taiebot: turn on wifi, so it can get the right time from the network, and reboot with it enabled, and see if you get better time/date info in syslog
[20:31] <dobey> syslog should be rotated, so unless you're looking at an old file, the dates should be close to the current time on your phone
[20:32] <dobey> studio_: you can't answer ask ubuntu questions in here. the person asking the question won't see it. that bot just notifies this channel of questions with the ubuntu-touch tag on them
[20:33] <dobey> so that someone can possibly go there and answer it
[20:37] <nhaines> dobey: it was reported on the mailing list too, but he said it went away when he reinstalled.  Unfortunately I have to run real quick but I could file a bug later...
[20:38] <studio_> dobey, sorry, but i do not understand "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/ofono/+bug/1427439" i use in the moment 14.10 (r16) and i do not have this bug
[20:38] <taiebot> dobey: the size of the file changes but the date never changes
[20:39] <dobey> studio_: good for you :)
[20:39] <nhaines> studio_: the current version is r17
[20:40] <dobey> nhaines: version numbers are different across devices
[20:40] <dobey> current bq image is 19 or 20 i think in stable
[20:41] <studio_> i use that "old" version, because i just flashed my phone some minutes/hours ago back from android tu ubuntu-touch ...
[20:41] <nhaines> dobey: ooh, that's not what I heard.  :)  I thought the stable channel was still synced.
[20:41] <dobey> taiebot: not sure. date is current on /var/log/syslog on my mako
[20:42] <nhaines> studio_: well, test and report bugs on the latest version available unless you're trying to bisect a bug symptom.
[20:42] <dobey> nhaines: nope, image numbers are different across devices, and across channels (and yes, i really do not like that myself)
[20:43] <nhaines> dobey: I know they begin to diverge.  I just thought it hadn't happened in the rtm promoted branch yet.
[20:43] <nhaines> And yes, I think it's a lot better to keep them synced when possible.
[20:43] <dobey> i think there should be no case where it is not possible :)
[20:44] <nhaines> Maybe the releases should be dated.  :)
[20:44] <dobey> whether on the promoted channel, or on a daily build channel
[20:44] <dobey> eh, an incrementing integer is fine
[20:45] <studio_> nhaines, i try to figure out what will be the "release" version from bq. bq told everybody it will be released on the 20.03.2015 ... is it 14.10 or 15.04?
[20:45] <dobey> and using the date would still require that, as images get built multiple times a day :)
[20:45] <dobey> studio_: it's "stable"
[20:45] <dobey> 15.04 is not stable.
[20:45] <dobey> and ignore the 14.10 and 15.04, they don't really have much meaning on the phone
[20:45] <studio_> 15.04 was " for me" stable ... ;)
[20:46] <dobey> 15.04 is not in the "stable" channel
[20:46] <studio_> i know ...
[20:46] <dobey> and it is very much not stable :)
[20:46] <nhaines> If only because it's not finished and in active development still.  :)
[20:46] <dobey> but hopefully will be on par with rtm soon, for stability
[20:47] <dobey> nhaines: well, more because concentration has been more on the rtm builds than the vivid builds, so it managed to catch some bugs that shouldn't have happened
[20:47] <dobey> the trusted session one is pretty annoying
[20:47] <studio_> on the 15.04 it was possible to import contacts from the sim card ... that is a must have ...
[20:48] <nhaines> dobey: well, also that.  But vivid doesn't even start up on the desktop either.  It's just the way these things work--big changes are afoot.
[20:48] <dobey> studio_: then use 15.04
[20:49] <dobey> if you must have it
[20:55] <studio_> dobey, tomorrow i am on a exhibition, that is a small one, and i want to show them what is possible in the moment on a ubuntu-touch phone ...
[20:56] <dobey> studio_: what is possible depends on what version and device you are on.
[21:00] <studio_> i know, so is https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en/ the latest?
[21:02] <dobey> no
[21:03] <dobey> just "ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed" for the channel is the latest
[21:03] <studio_> but that is without the bq tools
[21:04] <dobey> you mean the scopes and apps that are only on the bq phones right now?
[21:04] <studio_> yes
[21:05] <dobey> perhaps. but it is the latest builds. the channel you linked is not vivid i don't think
[21:05] <studio_> it is 15.04
[21:06] <studio_> but "without" core apps
[21:06] <dobey> well i don't know what that channel is then. it seems to have an image built from today
[21:08] <dobey> try it if you want, i guess
[21:08] <studio_> the big problem is there is no email client in the core apps, also not terminal and not the filemanager
[21:08] <dobey> install them from the store then if you need them
[21:09] <dobey> terminal and file manager are part of the core apps. they are not part of the consumer release phone apps set though
[21:09] <studio_> it is not in the core image!
[21:10] <dobey> don't start this nonsense again
[21:10] <studio_> what is the "default" email client evolution?
[21:11] <dobey> there is no default mail client on the phone right now
[21:12] <dobey> as you've been told MANY times
[21:12] <studio_> ago
[21:13] <adrian47> what about fixing audio, camera, and sim?  I have no idea how to get it :)
[21:16] <studio_> adrian47, this is "nonsens" as dobey said. Try it out my yourself ... btw ac3 is not working
[21:16] <dobey> studio_: no, adrian47 is porting to a new device and asks sensible questions; though that one was a bit random :)
[21:17] <dobey> studio_: nonsense is you asking the same crap over and over again after you've been given the answer many times
[21:17] <studio_> uch, i have to port a new device?
[21:17] <dobey> no
[21:17] <studio_> so, ac3 is not working on the E4.5
[21:18] <dobey> ac3 audio?
[21:18] <studio_> yes
[21:18] <dobey> file a bug then
[21:18] <studio_> i am not a beta tester ...
[21:19] <adrian47> dobey, yes it wasn't good question :)
[21:19] <dobey> studio_: you are complaining about a bug. file a bug. this irc channel is not a bug reporting system
[21:20] <dobey> or talk to bq support
[21:20] <dobey> and let them file a bug
[21:20] <studio_> dobey, do i have to report that better to bq? same as the otg error?
[21:21] <studio_> ok
[21:21] <dobey> as i told you, we have nothing to do with otg in android, and otg is not yet really supported in ubuntu
[21:22] <studio_> forget otg, what about the USB-Port on the device? is it just for fun?
[21:23] <dobey> studio_: it's for you to make sarcastic comments on irc and annoy developers
[21:25] <studio_> dobey, my questions are not "sarcastic" ! I try to figure out a usefull way ....
[21:25] <dobey> studio_: if you are going to continue asking the same things over and over again, and being rude about it, i will ping and ask for you to be banned again.
[21:26] <dobey> you can use the usb port to charge the phone and transfer data to a PC, as you are already well aware of
[21:26] <studio_> dobey, i know, i will be banned again ... but that is not i want, i am trying to learn ...
[21:30] <dobey> if you don't want it, then don't be repetitive, demanding, and rude, and keep the rhetoric to yourself
[21:31] <Fishscene> studio_: If you're trying to learn, Be constructive and use the information given to you. Don't assume everything changes overnight. It also helps to do research and provide feedback in the appropriate place (such as filing a bug) if something goes wrong. Using the systems in place wherever possible as it greatly helps in keeping track of issues.
[21:34] <Fishscene> Also, if you're looking for generic information or status's of items, try running a Google search (many of us will be doing that anyway) and search through the first several pages of results. If you're still unsuccessful with various different ways of searching on Google, then try asking here. Maybe ask for a link to the topic your are looking for. That way, the webpage can take care of the tedious explanation and frees up the developers for 
[21:37] <studio_> Fishscene, i try to help, i didn't thought that i am an official beta tester and need to make an official bug-report. Most informations about Ubuntu-Touch on the internet are outdatet, thay are from 2013!
[21:39] <dobey> studio_: it has nothing to do with being a beta tester
[21:40] <dobey> studio_: and you are not using an ubuntu edition of the phone either. you purchased the android phone and flashed ubuntu on it. you are by definition a "tester" in that sense
[21:40] <studio_> dobey, no ? so why do not work most of the debian released software work on the ubuntu-touch?
[21:41] <dobey> studio_: bugs happen. if you find one, you should report it as such. if you don't like bugs, then don't use software. they will happen regardless of how much QA and testing is done by others.
[21:41] <dobey> k1l_: ^^ please? i'm tired of all of us explaining to studio_ over and over again the same things
[21:41] <dobey> oh hi k1l :)
[21:43] <studio_> dobey, why are for exp. libreoffice and kodi working on the raspberry bi but not on the ubuntu-touch?
[21:45] <dobey> no i'm done
[21:46] <k1l> *sigh*
[21:46] <k1l> some people just dont want to play the nice way
[21:47] <dobey> thanks k1l
[21:49] <bala___> hi
[21:50] <bala___> stuck at bulding environment
[21:51] <bala___> is there one ready to help
[21:51] <bala___> :-(
[21:51] <bala___> make: *** No rule to make target '/media/bala/Newvolume1/phablet/out/target/product/condor/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libmake_f2fs_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/media/bala/Newvolume1/phablet/out/target/product/condor/obj/EXECUTABLES/recovery_intermediates/import_includes
[21:52] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> Actually kinda good question from studio_ in a way, about libreoffice, I've seen libreoffice work on the nexus 4 but IDK how you'd get it to work, for an end-user, would libre office have to make a click package of libreoffice, if so are the ubuntu team going to work with projects like LibreOffice and Firefox to make click packages for them so that convergence would work well for the every day consumer?
[21:52] <bala__> ?
[21:53] <bala__> make: *** No rule to make target '/media/bala/Newvolume1/phablet/out/target/product/condor/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libmake_f2fs_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/media/bala/Newvolume1/phablet/out/target/product/condor/obj/EXECUTABLES/recovery_intermediates/import_includes'
[21:54] <bala__> stuck at here
[21:54] <bala__> :-(
[21:54] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl_: it might have been a reasonable question if it a) hadn't already been asked a thousand times by him, and answered and b) wasn't comparing it to debian on a raspberry pi
[21:55] <dobey> bala__: you don't need to repeat the question. if someone knows how to help you, they will. just be patient
[21:56] <bala__> dobey: hmmm ;-)
[21:56] <dobey> you'll also have a better chance of getting help with that during EU normal office hours i think
[21:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> dobey yeah, I didn't understand the compairing to debian on the raspberry pi, perhaps because they're both arm? and yeah he seemed to ask alot of obvious questions and I've seen him before asking the same questions again and again...
[21:57] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl_: all the details of how full convergence will work in the end have not been decided.
[21:58] <dobey> so i don't know if they'll be click/snap packages or what when we get there
[21:58] <dobey> anyway, i have to go :)
[21:58] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> dobey oh, ok, will talk to you some other time :)
[21:59] <k1l> well, does libreoffice have some sort of touch-optimized-GUI?
[21:59] <k1l> because without it is plain stupid to demand that for a smartphone
[22:00] <dobey> k1l: no, it doesn't
[22:06] <Fishscene> Well, as long as you can zoom in and out easily, I'm sure I can find a way to finagle a last-second change to mission critical document while I sit at an airport with only my phone. :)
[22:06] <Fishscene> I just don't know if you can zoom and and out on applications while in desktop-mode on a phone.
[22:07] <k1l> Fishscene: yes of course. but for the 5 guys that can work and handle that you get 100000000000000 user going nuts on the internet because you dont ship a touch-friendly gui
[22:08] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> k1l well theres always convergence even if they didn't have touch optimised gui, with that being said, I'd be shocked if they didn't have one or aren't making one, haven't they been trying to get libre office on android for years?
[22:08] <Fishscene> So, so true. A touch-native interface would of course be preferable.
[22:09] <k1l> ChloeWolfieGirl_: i gave up on that on android and just use the google apps which were quickoffice before
[22:10] <nik90> k1l: the video shown by canonical was a proof of concept showing that the OS is capable of converging. it is up to the app devs to ensure that their apps work well on different devices.
[22:11] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> k1l I used WPS, it'd be sweet to get a touch version of LibreOffice on Ubuntu Touch though, that would transform into the desktop version when plugged in,
[22:12] <k1l> yep. i mean we all know that from websites. they have mobile ones and regular ones for desktop. seems the apps devs still need some time now to make it to convergence.
[22:15] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> k1l another thing is that canonical are the only ones doing convergence in this way, I think ms are doing it kinda similarly but only from big tablets to desktop which I wouldn't imagine needing alot of effort comparitivly to ubuntu's convergence from phone to desktop, that combined with the fact that very limited people have ubuntu phones, we;ll be waiting quite a while to see something like this, expecially with a office suite
[22:18] <k1l> ChloeWolfieGirl_: yes
[22:19] <k1l> and if you think of how lon g it took the websites to do working mobile versions, i think we can wait a lot longer for that on the phone if no one from the community cares to take the first shot
[22:19] <adrian47> oh, i see something bad in my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/pPaFSmTX
[22:19] <adrian47> the part from 7.478698