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daftykinshttp://twitch.tv/daftpunkle00:25
daftykinsOri and the Blind Forest00:25
nickerSLAVEgg#uk unable to join channel (invite only)00:26
nickerSLAVEggdid farage won the elections already?00:26
daftykinspolitics doesn't belong online00:27
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mappyo04:06
zmoylan-piallo allo04:20
mapp:)04:21
mappthe following time for me:D04:21
mappwatching anything?04:52
zmoylan-pilistening to podcasts04:54
mappah04:55
mappi always find it hard to keep up with podcasts04:55
mappdo you have your laptop/phone/tablet - assuming you have a tablet all synchronised04:55
zmoylan-pithen star trek 6, the undiscovered country.  shakespeare is better in the original klingon...04:56
mappyou listen to any tech podcasts?04:56
mappapart from ubuntu podcast assuming you listen to it04:56
zmoylan-pii have a cheap asus 7" tablet and use podkicker to download and listen to podcasts.  linux voice, raspberry pi today, tech news today, technews tonight, dick turpin road show, this week in tech, ubuntu podcast04:58
mappthats better05:50
mappmy net had gone super slow05:50
knightwisemorning everyone !07:05
mappsleepy time for me07:15
mapp;D07:15
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czajkowskialoha08:54
directhexhowdy08:55
TwistedLucidityAh-hoy-hoy09:03
bashrc_good morning09:10
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Submarine Day! :-D10:10
zmoylan-pithe modern version of which was invented by an irish man.  paddies day \o/10:12
JamesTaitzmoylan-pi, it's not as much fun if you go for the ones *everyone* celebrates. ;)10:15
* zmoylan-pi wonders if it's banned anywhere important...10:16
TwistedLucidityzmoylan-pi: Well, it was celebrated in Dubai.10:17
TwistedLucidityMostly by expats, but not exclusively10:17
davmor2JamesTait: man now I want to take a trip to subway10:18
foobarrypaddys day at uni was hilarious10:18
foobarryloads of people getting wasted and claiming some irish heritage10:18
foobarryby hilarious i mean lame10:18
zmoylan-pishhh, good money to be made on tourists...10:19
TwistedLucidityNo need for heritage - just have a few and then fall over. Everyone is the same when horizontal and incoherent.10:20
foobarry:-| was my wifes face last night when i came home with a few hundred magazines10:20
foobarrythey are already regulated to under the sofa where the mouse lives10:20
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: How many rounds?10:20
foobarryreading not firing :P10:20
foobarryold magz take half the time to read because you don't read the news sections10:20
TwistedLucidityI have so many magazine piling up it's untrue.10:21
foobarryi want to scan them10:21
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:21
foobarrythey are mostly airplane modelling magz so the content doesn't really go out of date10:21
foobarrythe guy bought about 5 mags a month over the last few years10:21
zmoylan-pioh look a new model spitfire...10:22
* JamesTait acquired an Airfix model spitfire on Saturday.10:22
TwistedLucidityHmmm...scan...OCR...wonder if some magic can auto-detect the pictures and drop them out as PNGs...10:22
zmoylan-piit is the starter piece of all model collections :-)10:22
JamesTaitWell, an airfield including a Spitfire, actually - and two trucks.10:23
TwistedLucidityWARNING: JamesTait is planning to invade! He's bought his own airforce10:23
foobarrynice, are you gonna make it?10:23
JamesTaitAnd technically it's not mine, it's my youngest's. But, y'know, acrylic cement, acrylic paints.  The boy will need some help. ;)10:24
JamesTaitfoobarry, we started it on Sunday.10:24
JamesTaitWe have a pilot and a seat painted, and the pilot glued to his seat.10:25
JamesTaitI spent more time trying to find the bits he'd "helpfully" removed from the packaging framework than I did actually building.10:25
foobarrypaint small parts while on the sprue10:26
foobarryhow old is the youngling?10:27
JamesTaitBut I think after a couple of hours he'd come to understand that parts are numbered and need to stay attached until we need them, that you paint small parts before you try to use them, and that paint takes a few minutes to dry. ;)10:27
JamesTaitHe's 8.10:27
JamesTaitGoing on 18.10:27
foobarryalso if you use the supplied mini pots of paint, they suck a bit and needs a few thin coats10:27
foobarryits a great father/son hobby10:28
TwistedLucidityA time of real bonding10:28
foobarryheh10:28
TwistedLucidityWhich often entails a visit to ER10:28
JamesTaitHaha!10:28
TwistedLucidityTo get de-bonded10:28
JamesTaitI see what you did there. :-P10:28
foobarrythis is a good video to watch if you use the supplied paint pots10:29
foobarryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDQGtAIlXuE10:29
foobarrydon't rip stuff from the sprue like the video though, they are sort of making a vid of how to make a model using only the supplied bits in a starter set10:29
foobarryhence no wire cutters10:30
davmor2JamesTait: thats wrong mentally men should never get beyond 8 ;)  oh shiny, oh lego, oh toys, oh computers....and so on :)  That why we get married right so we have someone to say no :D10:30
foobarryJamesTait: this set? http://www.airfix.com/uk-en/raf-battle-of-britain-airfield-gift-set-1-76.html10:31
JamesTaitfoobarry, that's the one. :)10:31
foobarrycool10:32
JamesTaitdavmor2, our toys just get more expensive as we get older.10:32
foobarryto do the grass bank, you also need white glue and scatter grass like this, applied through a sieve http://www.newmodellersshop.co.uk/images/javis/jft2_mid_green_fine_turf_premier_range.jpg10:32
davmor2JamesTait: that and more easily justified but I work hard to earn all the money I spent on it :D10:33
JamesTaitfoobarry, we should have some of that spare from his big brother's model railway. :)10:33
foobarryperfect10:33
Myrttihihi, expensive toys. I just received a nail curing UV LED oven. "oops"10:33
Myrttijust need to top up on my high-SPF sun lotions10:34
davmor2Myrtti: that sounds so wrong, admittedly wifey has one already10:34
zmoylan-piand are now looking up other uses for it on geek sites to justify buying it :-)10:34
foobarryliek removing the glass screen from a tablet/phone10:35
foobarryhairdryer does the same though10:35
davmor2Myrtti: now you need to buy the special nail gels for it too ;)10:37
Myrttidavmor2: already done, fortunately I don't need that many10:37
foobarryAfter years spent resisting the idea of adapting its hugely popular back catalogue of games for smartphones, Nintendo finally announces that it will be releasing titles for mobile devices.10:37
Myrttidavmor2: all I need is base and top coats and two colours. http://www.amazon.co.uk/OPI-Gel-Color-Samoan-Lacquer/dp/B0076UUHGO/ and http://www.amazon.co.uk/OPI-Gel-Color-Alpine-Lacquer/dp/B0076UI39M10:39
foobarryasked my wife about carbon needles, she says she prefers bamboo10:43
foobarryher next project will involve a dressmakers mannequin :( no room in the house10:43
zmoylan-piso nintendo is finally going to put their crown jewels on other peoples hardware.  that must have hurt10:45
davmor2Myrtti: wifey got hers as a set from qvc10:46
foobarrywow10:46
foobarryQVC10:46
foobarrythat channel amuses me10:47
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TwistedLucidityBBC's MircoBit - good idea, or MS trojan horse to ruin the next generation of coders?11:04
TwistedLucidityhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/16/naked_computers_bbc_micro_coding_cc/11:06
zmoylan-pii'm leaning towards a way to hurt rasp pi11:07
bashrc_instead of inspiring children to learn programming, why not just teach it as a subject in school, like English?11:08
zmoylan-pibut if it's ide is unavailable to linux it won't take off outside the educational market11:08
bashrc_of the source code is secret then that's obviously a fail straight out of the gate11:09
ali1234it's an arm chip on a board11:10
ali1234it's not even an SBC11:10
foobarryNIH syndrome by PHBosses11:10
TwistedLucidityIt's intended to be programmed from a main PC (e.g. via MS's TouchDevelop), then do whatever it was told to do.11:11
TwistedLucidityShip some Arduino with good materials. Job done.11:11
ali1234arduino is crap and expensive though11:11
zmoylan-pithere are arduino clones that are cheap11:12
ali1234i doubt the BBC can afford $20 per kid11:12
TwistedLucidityI think they are trying to recapture that BBC Micro days....just don't think this is the way.11:12
ali1234yes, arduino clones... like this one11:12
TwistedLucidityAnd certainly *not* in partnership with the likes of MS or Samsung.11:12
ali1234this will be a cortex M0 part11:12
ali1234you won't be running linux on it, it will likely have about 32kb of ram11:12
TwistedLucidityYes, I know that.11:13
foobarryrasp pi captured the bbc micro days11:13
ali1234and total BOM of about £211:13
zmoylan-pididn't someone get linux running on an 8bit chip? :-)11:13
ali1234yes after connecting it to a 32MB SIMM11:13
ali1234and writing an ARMv6 emulator11:13
foobarryso the micro bit is useful only to display the floor number in a lift?11:13
zmoylan-pishhh, you're ruining the dream :-)11:13
ali1234foobarry: not at all, i think it's a really nice design11:14
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: Just about. It's got some LEDs and few switches. No GPIO or anything AFAIK11:14
ali1234i'd prefer it was AVR based, it's just nicer to program than ARM11:14
ali1234on board bluetooth is good too11:15
ali1234although that might disappear from the final version11:15
ali1234since it will likely double the cost due to patents11:15
ali1234although maybe that's why they have so many partners11:15
awilkinsOn board bluetooth? It's a comm-badge11:33
awilkinsLook at those connective thread sewable contacts round the edge11:34
daftykinsmorn12:12
daftykinsor at least, the first time i hopped on IRC :>12:12
bashrc_evening12:12
daftykinsif you must :)12:13
daftykinshmm naughty DCC spammers overnight i see12:13
daftykinsi may enquire about prices for plotters today, seems to be a multi-grand affair12:19
ali1234you can get a 50W c02 laser cutter for less than that12:20
daftykins:)12:21
awilkinsJust burn your design through a template and silk-screen it12:29
davmor2czajkowski: just to check it's patty day right?12:31
czajkowskidavmor2: I will slap you12:32
davmor2czajkowski: again12:33
davmor2czajkowski: is that a no?12:34
czajkowskiindeed12:36
daftykinsmethinks he likes the punishment12:40
daftykins:>12:40
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davmor2daftykins: no but I do like to think of czajkowski sat rocking in the corner screaming it's Paddy's not patty's12:58
czajkowskigit13:05
foobarrypull13:05
davmor2czajkowski: pleasure13:12
DJonesdavmor2: But it is "patty" isn't it, everybody I know called "Patrick" gets their name shortened to "Patty"13:13
DJones(Admitedly, its only a sample of 1)13:13
foobarryi remember pakky bonner the goalie13:14
foobarrypackie13:14
foobarryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packie_Bonner13:14
davmor2DJones: czajkowski head will explode is you say that again :)13:14
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: Now there's a nickname that could start a fight in the wrong place....13:15
foobarryused to get confused when i was a kid13:15
foobarrybefore those internet days13:15
foobarrythe long arguments over whether the commentator was saying packie or patty or paddy13:15
DJonesdavmor2: The guy I'm thinking of even has "patty" in his twitter nick13:16
foobarrypeppermint patty13:16
foobarryhttp://www.maplin.co.uk/p/3doodler-3d-printing-pen-n00ds13:19
foobarrydid popey get one of these?13:19
foobarrydid they change the world?13:20
awilkinsDid you see this one? http://t.co/Vl4JP5bjPI13:33
awilkinsThe *detail* it does (from looking at the electron micrographs at the end)13:34
foobarrywow13:36
TwistedLucidityawilkins: What's the point of that? Everything you make will be upside down!13:38
TwistedLucidityGuess it might sell well in the antipodes. (Groans)13:39
foobarryhow long does http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop take to load?13:42
foobarrytrying to work out if there's a problem here or not13:42
popeyfoobarry: i do13:45
foobarrydid it change your life?13:49
foobarryor.. have you enjoyed using it13:49
popeymy life changed a bit13:50
popeyin that there's a new thing in it13:50
davmor2popey: hahaha13:50
foobarryits a great gimmick but ultimately pointless13:51
foobarrynice craft idea but not for £7013:51
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daftykinsugh my goverment is so useless14:05
foobarrymine is great14:06
foobarryoh wait..14:06
daftykinstrying to wipe an iPad someone i know was given for use, now she has to give it back... i was told i could go up there and get it done, turn up - 'nope, sorry... i'm just a trainee and the guy that knows these things is at lunch'14:06
foobarrythey need a wiki14:07
foobarryand someone to document stuff14:07
daftykinspretty simple to enact a device wipe via Exchange14:07
daftykinsheh :>14:07
davmor2daftykins: and you think your government is different to everyone elses why14:22
daftykins:)14:22
daftykins'cause it's small, hard to misplace things :D14:22
popeyAzelphur: got a link to your funky conky config thing with a laptop wireframe?15:05
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)16:08
bashrc_morning16:13
bashrc_time zone appropriate greetings16:13
bigcalmUGT16:15
davmor2bashrc: it's always morning on the T'interwebz16:16
daftykinsand what a glorious morning indeed16:21
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awilkinsAnother hospital in Special Measures17:03
* awilkins watches the dominos fall17:04
bashrc_special measures?17:04
daftykinsshaking up the management to meet targets i think17:05
awilkinsAs in "Oh dear, you seem to be having a little financial trouble, we must intervene!"17:05
bashrc_I don't really get how hospitals get into financial trouble. They're publicly funded17:06
awilkinsBecause they're publicly underfunded17:06
bashrc_heh17:06
awilkinsBecause it's in the Tory interest to make them fail so they can introduce private services17:06
awilkinsIt's Disaster Capitalism, only the disaster isn't a hurricane or  a war, it's austerity17:07
bashrc_if health goes private then we can look to America to see what happens: low quality service which is incredibly expensive with ridiculous insurance schemes17:08
awilkinsAn excess of service with no clinical justification because you can make money off it17:09
bashrc_bogus diseases with expensive "cures"17:10
awilkinsIt's nuts. We have one of the best healthcare systems of the G8 nations (as rated by a right-wing thinktank in Washington, DC)17:10
awilkinsbest == outcomes AND economic efficiency17:10
awilkinsWe spend the least per capita17:11
bashrc_but not efficiency in terms of generating capital for share holders!17:11
awilkinsI think Cuba beats us but that's because they're communists17:11
awilkinsExactly17:11
awilkinsOccam's Razor : if we're the best, the only reason to change our system to resemble the others more is because efficiency and patient outcomes are not at the forefront of the minds of those doing the changing17:12
awilkinsWhat do they have more of? Profit margins.17:12
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davmor2One is the loneliest number that you'll every do17:50
daftykinsgrammar?17:53
bigcalmDo you know it?17:54
davmor2ever then :P17:55
davmor2bigcalm: Of course I know it Harry Nilsson17:56
davmor2There is a house in New Orleans17:57
daftykinsThey call, "The Rising Sun"17:58
shaunooh boy.  last time I was in bratislava, there was a british woman old enough to be my mother, belting that out in a pub.  all on her own.17:58
daftykinshttp://www.macrumors.com/2015/03/16/retina-macbook-pro-stained-coating/ http://www.staingate.org/17:59
daftykinsmy mother sings, too17:59
daftykins:D17:59
davmor2http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/14/why-blade-runner-is-timeless18:02
daftykinsit sure is18:02
daftykins<3 Vangelis (the soundtrack)18:02
davmor2seem like Cinemas will be showing it again for the 25 anniversary \o/18:03
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awilkinsIs it the newest Ridley Scott Special Edition?18:05
awilkinsCinemas will no doubt be showing it again to drum up demand for the sequel too18:05
daftykinsbit early surely18:06
davmor2more to tie in with the 25 anniversary and then tie in with the sequel probablyt18:07
davmor2-t18:07
diddledan"simple" iphone pin lock unlocker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meEyYFlSahk18:08
daftykinsyou just have to... pop it open. hmm.18:11
zmoylan-piwell did apple say it was secure or 'secure'?18:11
diddledanzmoylan-pi: it's 'locked'18:11
zmoylan-pi'locked' or locked? :-)18:12
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYcrYXqnoN018:15
daftykinsexcept your own home when you have no keys18:16
zmoylan-pithat's why you have a porn buddy.  someone with a spare key for when you croak.18:18
diddledanporn buddy? as in a friend to watch porn with?18:19
zmoylan-piyou've never seen the british comedy coupling...18:23
zmoylan-pihttp://www.snotr.com/video/3806/Porn_Buddies wow took a while to find a video18:25
davmor2Hello darkness my old friend18:26
zmoylan-piof course now the protocol is updated to remove all internet history too :-)18:27
diddledanit's a perk18:27
diddledanlol18:27
intrbizdavmor2: I've come to meet with you again18:27
zmoylan-pifind and watch that show.  you will thank me... :-)18:27
diddledandavmor2: lucky you18:27
zmoylan-pibut the last season without jeff isn't great :-(18:28
diddledan:-(18:28
davmor2intrbiz: you really shouldn't know these song that well :)18:29
ali1234well he got the lyric wrong so there's that18:29
intrbizdavmor2: by coincidence I was just listening to it18:29
daftykinszmoylan-pi: of course who's to say the pages haven't suffered some form of adhesive contact fate18:30
intrbizali1234: yeh, it's talk18:30
davmor2intrbiz: you might like the album silence is golden then :)18:30
daftykinsta-ra peeps, time for food ahead of pub quiz night \o/18:36
diddledancurry?18:36
diddledan:-p18:37
daftykinsyes! chinese chicken curry, a fine co-op microwave affair18:37
daftykinsfor the rapid exit :)18:37
diddledanyey18:37
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/k4u0awsl9cnxqql/IMG_20150317_132648.jpg?dl=018:37
daftykinsmy cat made a fort18:37
zmoylan-piwell took posession of by the looks of it18:39
davmor2intrbiz: all the leaves are brown19:09
diddledandavmor2: and the sky is grey?19:14
davmor2diddledan: yeah but you are old you should know it ;)19:15
diddledanlol19:15
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davmor2diddledan: just for you "There must be some kinda way outta here"19:25
diddledanI recognise it but can't place it19:26
davmor2diddledan: said the joker to the thief19:26
davmor2diddledan: All along the watchtower Jimi Hendrix19:27
diddledangotcha19:27
foobarryhttp://i.imgur.com/3bVXPSE.jpg19:48
foobarrymy favouriteclue on only connect that i've seen19:49
diddledanfoobarry: what was the question?19:57
diddledanfoobarry: I'd probably get it wrong by saying "my sequel" instead of "my ess queue ell"19:58
intrbizdiddledan: you'd need to watch only connect to know there isn't a question19:58
mappah20:54
mappthe handyness of living next to a supermarket20:54
mapp15mins shopped paid packed home20:54
mapp:D20:54
Azelphurpopey: https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=4b3b801b17886f6c100da703f76f039520:54
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foobarrygot a screenshot Azelphur ?21:43
Azelphurfoobarry: https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=553eddabfeaca770f463cfc6b7b4d1c221:47
foobarrymuch CSI21:47
foobarrydid you make steal or tweak?21:48
AzelphurI made the whole thing21:48
foobarryits great21:48
Azelphurthanks :)21:48
Azelphurthe laptop is actually a photo of my laptop that I went over with the line tool in GIMP21:49
foobarryi would +1 the heck out of that on g+21:52
foobarryhttps://www.paradoxplaza.com/cities-skylines?___store=gb21:52
foobarrysimcity killer runs on linux!?21:52
foobarryhttp://motherboard.vice.com/read/maxis-is-dead-but-this-game-is-better-than-simcity21:53
shaunothat's where I've been the last few days :(22:05
shaunoso far it's everything we hope simcity would be, except multiplayer & EA22:09
ali1234cities in motion 2 had multiplayer22:11
shaunoyeah.  just saying skylines doesn't (yet? I haven't heard that they're planning on it either)22:13
ali1234i don't have it yet22:13
ali1234looks good but £22 is more than i'm willing to pay for a game22:13
shaunobut skylines is a full-on city builder, cim you just built the transport network while the city grew itself around you22:13
shaunowell, I think if you're a fan of the genre, it goes on the "things to watch for in the next steam sale" list22:15
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directhexskylines is a unity3d game (!)23:06
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diddledanwhy is it that in movies american tv studios always have a helicopter in the air in whatever city the film happens to be based in23:48
zmoylan-pibecause in america the military offloads a lot of helicopters when they want shiny new ones23:56

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