[04:33] <barrydk> More almal
[04:37] <Langjan> Goeiemore al die vroeë voëltjies
[04:39] <barrydk> Helo Langjan lyk my ons is net 2
[04:43] <Langjan> Goeiemore oom Kilos
[04:43] <Kilos> lol
[04:44] <Kilos> more oom
[04:44] <Kilos> ek lees nou net jou pos
[04:44] <Langjan> het jy lrekker geslaap seuntjie?
[04:44] <Langjan> lekker
[04:44] <Kilos> so aan en af ja dankie en self?
[04:45] <Kilos> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[04:45] <Langjan> Allietyd af
[04:45] <Kilos> ek weet nie wat doen dit nie ek kyk ook
[04:45] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[04:45] <Tonberry> hi
[04:46] <Kilos> o dit wys jou partisies
[04:47] <Langjan> Ek het twee gekry, die een is sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda en die ander cat /dev/zero > zero.file rm zero.file
[04:47] <Langjan> nog nie een probeer nie
[04:47] <Langjan> wag vir die deskundiges om op te staan
[04:48] <Kilos> wag ek kyk watter een het ek
[04:48] <Kilos> dis n dd een
[04:48] <Kilos> miskien iets by
[04:48] <Kilos> nou moet jy mooi luister
[04:49] <Langjan> eks die ene ore
[04:49] <Kilos> you boot from cd
[04:50] <Kilos> go into try mode
[04:50] <Kilos> run this command
[04:50] <Langjan> O ek dag ek kan net via terminal doen?
[04:50] <Kilos> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
[04:50] <Kilos> luister mooi
[04:51] <Langjan> moet ek eers op CD boot?
[04:51] <Kilos> ya
[04:51] <Langjan> ok wag bietjie
[04:51] <Kilos> daai dd commands is gevaarlik
[04:52] <Kilos> jy moet versigtig met hulle werk
[04:55] <Kilos> hi mazal  and morning everyone else
[04:55] <mazal> Morning everyone
[04:55] <mazal> In Kubuntu , what app can I use to view my HDD smart data ?
[04:56] <Kilos> sjoe
[04:56] <Kilos> what is that
[04:56] <Kilos> how do you view it with unity
[04:57] <mazal> Normal ubuntu has an app called "disks"
[04:57] <Kilos> i have installed gnome-disk-utility i think its called
[04:57] <Kilos> it also shows as disks
[04:57] <mazal> I think that is the same thing , I might be wrong though
[04:57] <Kilos> or drives i forget now
[04:58] <Kilos> ya its the one unity uses
[04:58] <Kilos> but not in kde by default
[04:58] <Langjan> Not sudo in front Kilos?
[04:58] <Kilos> ya with sudo
[04:59] <Kilos> sorry i saved it as i found it
[04:59] <Kilos> did it say you dont have permission
[04:59] <Kilos> hehe
[05:00] <Kilos> nou oom Langjan  you must still listen
[05:00] <Kilos> let me first tell all before you do the next step
[05:00] <mazal> Yeo Kilos , that's the one thanx. Installed it
[05:01] <Kilos> once the zero command has run
[05:01] <Langjan> Now its hanging in the terminal on CD
[05:01] <Kilos> hasnt it done the job?
[05:02] <Langjan> I got to the first d of the second dev and it stopped there
[05:02] <mazal> bbl , updates
[05:03] <Kilos> oh my
[05:03] <Kilos> what second device
[05:03] <Langjan> will have to reboot again
[05:03] <Kilos> wait
[05:03] <Kilos> there is only one drive in there
[05:03] <Kilos> ??
[05:03] <Langjan> no second device, the second "dev" in the command you sent
[05:04] <Kilos> oh my
[05:04] <Langjan> only one drive as far as I know
[05:04] <Kilos> ok try again
[05:04] <Langjan> ok
[05:13] <Kilos> Langjan  whats happening
[05:14] <Langjan> OK it says 1+0 records in, 1+0 records out, 512 bytes copied 254kB/s
[05:15] <Kilos> cools now its wiped
[05:15] <Kilos> now listen mooi
[05:15] <Kilos> dont do things as i type them
[05:16] <Langjan> can't listen mooi in two tales
[05:16] <Kilos> lol
[05:16] <Kilos> restart with dvd still in and choose install
[05:16] <Kilos> then choose use entire disk
[05:16] <Kilos> then go with you normal install method
[05:17] <Kilos> let ubuntu do everything
[05:17] <Kilos> you just put your info and passwords etc
[05:17] <Kilos> the bios will rewrite a new mbr
[05:18] <Langjan> You want to tell me it wiped clean in a second? 
[05:18] <Kilos> yip
[05:18] <Langjan> Amazing stuff!
[05:18] <Kilos> very powerful command
[05:19] <Langjan> Can we use it on the population? 
[05:19] <Kilos> lol
[05:20] <Kilos> now there is really nothing more on the drive left over from other installs
[05:21] <Kilos> so if prob continues then we repartition it and dont use the first 30 or 50g
[05:21] <mazal> waat maak julle ? Klink gevaarlik
[05:21] <Kilos> zero n skyf
[05:21] <mazal> dd ?
[05:21] <Kilos> ya
[05:21] <mazal> ish !!!!
[05:22] <Langjan> Kilos it is showing a split screen 
[05:22] <Kilos> hymm...
[05:22] <Langjan> maybe restart again? Could my installation CD be haywire?
[05:22] <Kilos> not normally
[05:23] <Kilos> restart again
[05:23] <Langjan> ok
[05:24] <Kilos> you can use the checkdisk option but dvds dont normally get corrupt so easy
[05:25] <Langjan> I restarted without CD, Ubuntu is still there
[05:25] <Kilos> choose erase and install again
[05:25] <Kilos> entire disk
[05:26] <Langjan> Ok, I thought the disc is wiped clean...restarting on CD
[05:27] <Kilos> ya disk was clean booting from cd shows what the os installs into memory
[05:28] <Langjan> What I dont understand is that Ubuntu booted normally after disc was wiped 
[05:29] <Langjan> from hard drive
[05:29] <Kilos> wipe it again
[05:29] <Kilos> actually lets do two things
[05:30] <Kilos> boot from cd
[05:30] <Kilos> run gparted
[05:30] <Langjan> ok booting
[05:30] <Langjan> from try ubuntu?
[05:30] <Kilos> ya
[05:31] <Langjan> is gparted a terminal command and no sudo?
[05:31] <Kilos> type gparted in the dash thing
[05:31] <Kilos> it should be on the cd
[05:31] <Langjan> ok
[05:32] <Langjan> just waiting for boot to complete
[05:32] <Kilos> ok
[05:32] <Kilos> i need to start other pc so i can see gparted
[05:33] <Langjan> shows dev sda 1,2 and 5
[05:34] <Kilos> click on each and the tick partition at the top i think then choose erase
[05:39] <Kilos> not erase it shows delete
[05:39] <Kilos> sorry had to install gparted on other machinr=e first
[05:41] <Langjan> No prob, now it shows 231Gb unallocated and two small partitions, 1,7Gb each, one is extended and one swap
[05:41] <Langjan> both with keys that seem to indicate locked
[05:42] <Kilos> delete them as well
[05:42] <Kilos> you want to see only one
[05:43] <Langjan> It does not give a delete optin on these
[05:43] <Kilos> what info is on them?
[05:44] <Kilos> maybe thats where your bug is hiding
[05:44] <Kilos> you should be able to delete everything and just see one unused partition
[05:45] <Langjan> OK I have deleted them all now it shows 233GB unallocated
[05:45] <Kilos> click on gparted and choose refresh
[05:45] <Kilos> yay
[05:46] <Kilos> now close gparted and only have terminal open
[05:46] <Langjan> ok done
[05:46] <Kilos> ok now the dd command
[05:47] <Langjan> ok
[05:47] <Kilos> i dont trust myself to type it out, i put it on a stick and then copy paste from there
[05:49] <Langjan> ok done
[05:49] <Kilos> ok now leave the cd in and restart and choose install
[05:50] <Kilos> then in options choose use entire disk
[05:50] <Langjan> fine
[05:56] <Langjan> Looking good, no detected operating systems
[05:57] <Kilos> yay
[05:59] <Langjan> The old man is getting confused, caught mself trying to type the new pasword into xchat, lmga
[06:00] <Langjan> OK Kilos, baie baie dankie! I will complete install and install home from backup, everything will hopefully be fine, will let you know
[06:00] <Kilos> lol
[06:01] <Kilos> ok Langjan  you welcome as always
[06:01] <Kilos> good luck
[06:03] <Langjan> Many thanks. Have I sent you the book "Healing Life's Hurts" to read? Its the guy who owns the laptop who does the ministry.  
[06:03] <Kilos> ty so much
[06:03] <Langjan> Will email it now, have a lovely day
[06:04] <Kilos> you too my friend and ty
[06:40] <Kilos> sigh! the old peeps work while the young ones lurk
[07:27] <Kilos> môre Mopkop  
[07:35] <Mopkop> Goeie môre!
[07:40] <gremble> o/
[07:45] <Langjan> Kilos and the guys who helped, many thanks. 
[07:46] <Langjan> The machine is running at cpu usage of 10% (previously 90%) - what are sensible warning temperatures for the temp, core temp and cpu temp?
[07:46] <Langjan> Sorry previously 60%
[07:47] <Kilos> Langjan  is it ok now?
[07:47] <Kilos> that sounds much better hey
[07:48] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[07:48] <Kilos> Langjan  tell me how you are sensing temps and ill tell you mine
[07:50] <Langjan> temp 1 is 45, core 1 is 44, core 2 is 43  but where should I set warnings at? 
[08:01] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/432895/temperature-warnings
[08:02] <Kilos> hope that helps.
[08:02] <Kilos> i cant find what they should be set at
[08:06] <Langjan> Thks Kilos. If I change the wording to "quiet" to omit splash screen, how do I save the changes and exit the terminal? 
[08:07] <Kilos> let me go read that first
[08:15] <Kilos> ok Langjan  is psensor running in a terminal
[08:16] <Kilos> sorry i was so slow got called to #ubuntu-africa
[08:16] <Kilos> you may visit there , its a project im busy with
[08:20] <Kilos> if you want to kill it use ctrl+c
[08:21] <Kilos> im not sure where you are with the splash screen thing
[08:23] <Squirm> morning
[08:23] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[08:23] <mazal> Morning squirm
[08:24]  * mazal has never been able to get temp sensors working on Ubuntu
[08:24] <mazal> Kilos: You know how to do it ?
[08:24] <Kilos> http://superuser.com/questions/25176/how-can-i-monitor-the-cpu-temperature-under-linux
[08:25] <Kilos> and jan is using psensor
[08:32] <mazal> Ah , that manual works , dankie oom
[08:32] <Kilos> yw lad
[08:32] <mazal> psensor ?
[08:32] <mazal> Is that a different app ?
[08:32] <Kilos> yes its also in the repos
[08:33] <mazal> I see mine is hovering around 40
[08:33] <Kilos> lappy?
[08:34] <mazal> Nope , is an i7 desktop pc
[08:34]  * Kilos jealous
[08:48] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[08:48] <Kilos> ai! wat nou?
[08:48] <inetpro> your zeroing command does not wipe the whole drive
[08:49] <Kilos> it did here
[08:49] <inetpro> just the first 512 bytes
[08:49] <Kilos> but i didnt have bugs in locked partitions
[08:49] <Kilos> oh
[08:49] <Kilos> well with gparted and zero things seem to be working
[08:50] <inetpro> that's the MBR portion
[08:50] <Kilos> why didnt you tell me last night
[08:50] <inetpro> uh
[08:50] <Kilos> you leave me to sukkel
[08:51] <inetpro> you leave yourself to sukkel if you don't RTFS and RTFM
[08:51] <Kilos> in future i will use gparted first then zero then i know als is skoon ne?
[08:51] <Kilos> ai!
[08:51] <Kilos> i dont have manuals and stuff  here man i only have what has worked for me before
[08:52] <inetpro> google is your buddy
[08:52] <inetpro> and man is always there
[08:52] <Kilos> reading is an effort and understanding what im reading is a bigger effort
[08:52] <Kilos> good morning inetpro  
[08:52] <inetpro> keep reading until you understand it 
[08:52] <Kilos> how can you just greet me with an ai!
[08:52] <inetpro> don't just shoot in the dark
[08:53] <inetpro> ai!
[08:53] <inetpro> goeie more oom
[08:53] <Kilos> lol
[08:53] <Kilos> dag my boetie
[08:53] <inetpro> oh and good $daytime to everyone else
[08:54] <Kilos> lekker full channel so early hey
[08:54] <inetpro> is it Friday yet?
[08:54] <Kilos> nono tuesday only
[08:55] <Kilos> you just want weekends so you can get more tired
[08:55] <inetpro> ai!
[08:55]  * inetpro needs a weekend to recover from the monday
[08:55] <Kilos> you need mondays to recover from weekends
[08:59] <inetpro> no!! not mondays
[08:59] <Kilos> im so happy when you are here
[08:59]  * inetpro needs the week to recover from a weekend
[09:00] <Kilos> now i just need to get my fly back
[09:02] <Kilos> the end justifies the means
[09:02]  * inetpro needs to scratch mondays from all calendars
[09:04] <Kilos> lol
[09:08] <Kilos> hi psyatw  
[09:08] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[09:08] <Kilos> nice to see that again
[09:09] <psyatw> I am a bit more relaxed now, also at work
[09:09] <Kilos> good
[09:10] <Kilos> you guys being unhappy makes me unhappy because this channel suffers
[09:18] <Langjan> Kilos I do this edit in terminal but then don't know how to save the changes: http://askubuntu.com/questions/529244/how-can-i-disable-both-the-boot-splash-and-messages-during-boot
[09:19] <psyatw> yeah, at first I was quite busy with two months of training and after that I had to do a lot of work after my colleague left the company
[09:20] <Kilos> are you using gedit Langjan  
[09:20] <psyatw> thankfully they've hired a few people now
[09:20] <psyatw> hi Langjan 
[09:21] <Kilos> Langjan  i use nano instead of gedit because i could never work out how to save quit with it either
[09:21] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[09:23] <Kilos> with nano you use ctrl+o to save, hit enter then ctrl+x to quit
[09:25] <Kilos> https://help.gnome.org/users/gedit/stable/gedit-shortcut-keys.html.en
[09:25] <Kilos> Langjan  ^^
[09:32] <Kilos> Padroni  whats with the hopping?
[09:32] <Padroni> hi
[09:32] <Padroni> my connection is screwed
[09:32] <Kilos> lol 
[09:32] <Kilos> looks like
[09:33] <Kilos> dont just sit there with a beer in hand man , fix it
[09:34] <Kilos> watched a whole thing on home brewing last night i think it was
[09:34] <Kilos> there is a new group that are making local homebrews for their area
[09:35] <Kilos> i love beer, its good for killing flames when braaing and seems to add flavour to the meat
[09:35] <Kilos> but very yucky to drink unless 90% lemonade
[09:36]  * Kilos has a question for old boere type peeps
[09:37] <Kilos> why did they use those big round white roof nails in the old days
[09:37] <mazal> Seals better
[09:37] <Kilos> commonly know as boerepampoen
[09:37] <mazal> Oh , those
[09:37] <Kilos> lol
[09:38] <mazal> My first thought would be , wind
[09:39] <Kilos> i dont know thats why im asking , is it that pumpkin needs a certain time to mature or something
[09:57] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows davey today
[09:58] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[09:58] <Kilos> and magespawn  
[09:58] <magellanic> hey
[09:59] <magespawn> hi there all
[09:59] <magespawn> Kilos 41 in the room
[09:59] <Kilos> yeah
[09:59] <Kilos> strange for a midweek morning hey
[09:59]  * Kilos happy
[10:04]  * drussell waves to Kilos 
[10:24] <mazal> Bye for now everyone , enjoy the afternoon , God bless
[10:27] <Kilos> hi pieter_devel  
[10:28] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:28] <pieter_devel> Hi
[10:28] <pieter_devel> ... and thanks
[10:28] <Kilos> how did you find us?
[10:29] <pieter_devel> Long story trying to fix IRC... but in end LOCO site
[10:30] <Kilos> if you need help just state your problem and someone will advise you when they get a break
[10:30] <pieter_devel> Thanks will do
[10:30] <Kilos> jy kan ook in die taal se waarmee jy hulp nodig het
[10:31] <pieter_devel> Sal so maak, my afr suck maar
[10:32] <Kilos> english is good too
[10:32] <Kilos> i thought you were afrikaans thats why i said its ok too
[10:33] <pieter_devel> I am, was just educated somewhat weirdly so my afr spelling is actually the thing that is bad
[10:34] <Kilos> not a problem at all, the important thing is to get pc probs sorted out
[10:34] <Kilos> soos jy sien is daar heelwat mense hier. en ons is amper dag en nag hier
[10:36] <Kilos> this is an english channel because some of the guys dont know afrikaans at all, but when we get afrikaans peeps here we help them too
[10:36] <pieter_devel> Met die IRC prbleem het ek op ou IRC log van 2012 afgekom
[10:37] <Kilos> ok
[10:37] <pieter_devel> Daar het jy, Kerbero en inetpro met 'n open proxy probleem gehelp
[10:37] <pieter_devel> ... so sal dalk nou-nou hul help met iets gou vra
[10:38] <Kilos> voel vry om te vra
[11:31] <inetpro> pieter_devel: don't ask to ask, just ask
[11:31] <inetpro> welcome to #ubuntu-za anyway
[11:35] <pieter_devel> inetpro: Thanks, I cant join a freenode network thru my ISP - keep getting blocked because port 8080 is an open poxy...
[11:36] <pieter_devel> ...I so far disabled my zentyal (server) proxy, but seems that prob is with ISP...
[11:37] <pieter_devel> ... they use RouterOS with proxy enabled and from what I can gather they should just block port 8080 for external requests...
[11:37] <pieter_devel> Is this correct?
[11:41] <pieter_devel> Oh and the ISP is like a community shared internet provider so my external IP is their machine (no public IP)...
[11:42] <pieter_devel> ...and running `nmap -p8080 <IP>` also shows that it is an open proxy
[11:49] <Kilos> hi jacques_  wb
[11:50] <Kilos> lol was wondering if you gave up arguing
[11:50] <Jacques_StrY> Hey everyone
[11:50] <Jacques_StrY> good to be back
[11:50] <Kilos> all ok ?
[11:50] <Jacques_StrY> Yea don't worry
[11:50] <Kilos> cool
[11:51] <Jacques_StrY> so what happend while I was gone?
[11:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:51] <Kilos> youll need to ask someone that remembers
[11:52] <Kilos> i think Padroni  was looking for you
[11:53] <Jacques_StrY> I can imagine - Have some stuff I have to post with him
[11:53] <Kilos> lol
[11:53] <Kilos> he has been sulking
[11:54] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[11:54] <inetpro> pieter_devel: ouch!
[11:55] <pieter_devel> inetpro: ouch?
[11:56] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: I see you going from membership :)
[11:56] <inetpro> open proxy not good
[11:57] <Padroni> good heavens
[11:57] <Padroni> it's alive
[11:57] <Padroni> hi Jacques_StrY
[11:57] <Kilos> hehe
[11:57] <Jacques_StrY> Hey Padroni >.<
[11:57] <inetpro> pieter_devel: https://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies
[11:58] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: I'm not exactly ready with my application just yet
[11:58] <Langjan> Hi Kilos
[11:58] <inetpro> too many other priorities in my life
[11:58] <Kilos> hi Langjan  
[11:58] <Langjan> not good news
[11:59] <Kilos> hanging?
[11:59] <Langjan> looks to me like the cpu is not coping
[11:59] <Kilos> eish
[11:59] <Langjan> error message on first restart
[11:59] <Kilos> it was working
[11:59] <Kilos> what did you do
[12:00] <Padroni> it sounds like your charger needs a new laptop?
[12:00] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[12:00] <Kilos> lol
[12:00] <pieter_devel> inetpro: read it... so should contact freenode to lift the ban once fixed?
[12:01] <Kilos> hi lin  
[12:01] <Langjan> well the restart/shut down button did not work so I powered off
[12:01] <Kilos> pieter /j #freenode
[12:01] <inetpro> pieter_devel:  email to: support at freenode dot net
[12:01] <Kilos> they are very helpful
[12:01] <inetpro> or like Kilos said ^^
[12:02] <Langjan> then haywire again, cursor flashing, cpu showing 100%, lost launcher
[12:03] <Kilos> sjoe Langjan  
[12:03] <lin> hi Kilos 
[12:04] <Langjan> Some of the error message reads: indicator-sound-service crashed with SIGABRT
[12:04] <Langjan> does that mean anything?
[12:04] <lin> Whats' up Langjan ? What made your computer lock up?
[12:04] <Kilos> not too me but the clevers will know
[12:06] <Langjan> Theres a lot in the report, dont know what they need
[12:07] <Kilos> try get it onto a stick or something then with your pc put it all in http:slexy.org
[12:07] <Kilos> http://slexy.org
[12:07] <pieter_devel> OK thanks
[12:08] <Kilos> good luck pieter_devel  
[12:08] <Kilos> and you can stay here
[12:09] <Langjan> was the slexy message meant for me?  
[12:09] <Kilos> sorry Langjan  yes
[12:10] <inetpro> Kilos: you don't like http://bin.snyman.info/ ?
[12:10] <Kilos> they read in the errors and find stuff we have nightmares about
[12:10] <Kilos> inetpro  it doesnt wrap when there are long lines
[12:10] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[12:11] <inetpro> is that a bug or a feature?
[12:11] <Kilos> i use it for short line things
[12:12] <Langjan> Kilos I could do nothing with the error report except hit "continue" then it obviously went off to nowhere and disappeard from the screen
[12:12] <Kilos> is the lappy still running though?
[12:13] <Kilos> maybe inetpro  can find them
[12:13] <Langjan> Its running but only just, with the cpu at around 100% I'm scared to touch anything
[12:13]  * inetpro unfortunately can't help now
[12:14] <Kilos> lemme google a bit
[12:15]  * inetpro can only give the usual grumpy commentary from time to time in between other work
[12:15] <Langjan> the open window is jumping sort-of getting bigger and smaller all the time - once per second
[12:15] <Kilos> that looks like a bug
[12:15] <Kilos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/840986
[12:15] <kulelu88> oom Langjan send a screenshot
[12:19] <Langjan> Well kulelu88, the screen will appear normal on a shot, its just the open window and the cursor blinking all the time, but launcher icons not responding
[12:19] <Kilos> Langjan  12.04 or 14.04
[12:19] <Kilos> ?
[12:21] <Langjan> 14.04
[12:21] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:22] <Kilos> ok whe you cleaned it out did you actually get to the cpu fan?
[12:22] <Kilos> when
[12:22] <Kilos> i dont know if they are on top of the cpu in lappies
[12:23] <Langjan> I removed the fan to see if theres any dirt on the inside and underneath, it was surprisingly clean as was the rest of the innards
[12:24] <Kilos> ok i was hoping it was blocked
[12:24] <Kilos> the pc worked so something else is interfering i think
[12:24] <kulelu88> it may be a faulty Mobo
[12:25] <Kilos> ya but why
[12:25] <kulelu88> unless. if the PC is 32-bit and you installed 64-bit
[12:25] <Langjan> whats a Mobo? No all 32 bit
[12:25] <Kilos> motherboard
[12:26] <Kilos> info
[12:26] <Kilos> do lappies have 2 batteries?
[12:26] <Kilos> the big one and one for the mobo bios when big one out?
[12:27] <kulelu88> no oom they dont
[12:27] <Kilos> so how come bios remembers stuff when big one is out?
[12:28] <kulelu88> maybe there is a small capacitor that holds some charge
[12:28] <Kilos> Langjan  give the lappy make and model please
[12:29] <Langjan> proline w76s 
[12:30] <Jacques_StrY> All the lappies I have opened had a 3v BIOS battery
[12:30] <Kilos> thats what i want to find
[12:31] <Kilos> find that battery Langjan  
[12:32] <Kilos> after working fine this morning then starting with this it could be a bug in the bios even
[12:33] <Kilos> flashing bios is kinda tricky
[12:33] <Kilos> Langjan  try run gparted on it
[12:34] <Kilos> you might need to install it first
[12:34] <Kilos> lets see what partitions are there i think
[12:34] <Langjan> Ok will try but no response at present anywhere
[12:35] <Kilos> then remove the battery and try find the small one
[12:35] <Kilos> remove that too let bios start from scratch again
[12:36] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbvzeU2Eh8
[12:36] <Kilos> maybe that shows where it is
[12:36] <pieter_devel> What's wrong with langjan's lappy
[12:36] <Kilos> it hangs or goes crazy
[12:37] <Kilos> thern cpu use goes to 100% etc
[12:37] <Kilos> was at 10% this morning
[12:37] <pieter_devel> Have you guys checked cpu temp?
[12:37] <pieter_devel> Ubuntu scales cpu down on overhead
[12:38] <Kilos> ya he was
[12:38] <Kilos> help him pieter_devel  please
[12:38] <Kilos> hear what has been done and what we missed
[12:39] <pieter_devel> but you have checked the temp?
[12:39] <Langjan> around 60 deg
[12:39] <Kilos> ya was 45
[12:39] <Kilos> whew 60 now
[12:40] <pieter_devel> and what is the max according to specs?
[12:41] <Kilos> it was
[12:41] <Kilos>  temp 1 is 45, core 1 is 44, core 2 is 43 
[12:42] <Langjan> temp 1 and both cores curreently around 60 deg
[12:42] <Kilos> this morning, what changed
[12:42] <Kilos> and what is running Langjan  ?
[12:43] <Langjan> Skype, psensor
[12:43] <Kilos> kill skype and watch temps
[12:43] <Langjan> skype only showing, not running
[12:44] <Kilos> so basically nothing is running?
[12:44] <Langjan> no
[12:44] <Kilos> something very wrong there
[12:45] <Kilos> for those temps you should be streaming videos and running music and more i think
[12:46] <Langjan> Kilos I'm going to install his Home folder in my machine which I seldom use until I can sort this one out  
[12:46] <Langjan> will check that cmos battery
[12:46] <Kilos> ok remove the sick ones batteries
[12:47] <Langjan> yes and cpu running at around 100% 
[12:47] <Kilos> leave it for some hours while you work on yours
[12:47] <pieter_devel> maybe stupid q, but can you hear/feel the cpu fan running?
[12:47] <Langjan> yes I can hear it
[12:48] <Langjan> and feel warm air coming out
[12:48] <Kilos> pieter_devel  add this channel to your favourites so you can help often
[12:48] <Kilos> hehe
[12:48] <pieter_devel> Is the stream strong?
[12:49] <Langjan> not very
[12:49] <pieter_devel> Kilos: actually my first time on IRC so will have to check that later
[12:49] <Langjan> difficult to judge first time
[12:49] <pieter_devel> And you took it apart to clean it?
[12:50] <Langjan> mine feels weaker strem but cooler
[12:50] <Langjan> stream
[12:50] <Langjan> yes I cleaned out everywhere I could reach but very little dust
[12:51] <pieter_devel> Where you able to check if the fan turns freely?
[12:51] <pieter_devel> easily?
[12:51] <Langjan> yes it does, spins wildly if I blow on it
[12:53] <kulelu88> oh shit. I hope you didn't conk the fan
[12:54] <pieter_devel> bummer, had a similar issue few years ago so - fan was the prob, so asked to check if it might be here too
[12:55] <Langjan> It was disconnected when I did that, could that cause damage?
[12:56] <kulelu88> making the fan spin too fast can cause friction and damage, ja.
[12:57]  * Mopkop fell asleep... 
[12:57] <Mopkop> Langjan: What does your hardrive use? PIO or DMA?
[12:58] <Mopkop> If it uses PIO, it could explain the cpu usage.
[12:58] <Kilos> i go pump water
[13:02] <Langjan> I have no idea, where do I find out? 
[13:03] <Mopkop> Are you using windows or linux?
[13:03] <Langjan> linux
[13:05] <Mopkop> Ok check the following file /etc/hdparm.conf
[13:06] <Mopkop> I use gedit so I whould type sudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[13:07] <Langjan> battling to get terminal open
[13:07] <Mopkop> Lol... :)
[13:08] <Langjan> sorry not responding
[13:09] <Mopkop> Aai... Have you tried to reset the bios yet?
[13:09] <Langjan> Reset to default, yes
[13:09] <Mopkop> Hmm, then it has to be the drivers.
[13:10] <Mopkop> Have you tried <alt><ctrl>F2?
F7 to get back out.
[13:12] <Langjan> ok I get a welcome to Ubuntu message
[13:13] <Mopkop> Now you just type in the ubuntu username and after that the password.
[13:15] <Langjan> OK I get error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment
[13:15] <Mopkop> Hmm....
[13:16] <Langjan> then gedit :27185 Gtk warning cannot open display
[13:17] <Mopkop> No no, try to replace gedit with nano
[13:17] <Mopkop> sudo nano /etc/hdparm.conf
[13:17] <Langjan> ok
[13:19] <Mopkop> Did you manage to read the file?
[13:20] <Langjan> Yes Mopkop, long story way above my head
[13:20] <Langjan> What can I let you see?
[13:21] <Mopkop> lol :), ok scroll down to the bottom line. What do you see?
[13:21] <Langjan> #/dev/hda
[13:22] <Langjan> mult_sect_io = 16
[13:22] <Langjan> write_cache = off
[13:22] <Langjan> dma = on
[13:23] <Mopkop> Yes, that's what we want. Now let's make a backup of the file. Press <ctrl>+o, and add a .bak to the end of the file name
[13:23] <Mopkop> and save.
[13:24] <Mopkop> save as /etc/hdparm.conf.bak
[13:24] <Langjan> how do I save it?
+o, type your new name (/etc/hdparm.conf.bak) and press enter
[13:26] <Langjan> OK I said yes to save under different name, hope thats right?
[13:26] <Mopkop> Yes!
[13:27] <Mopkop> Now just exit nano <ctrl>x
[13:27] <Mopkop> And open the file again sudo nano /etc/hdparm.conf
[13:29] <Langjan> ok done
[13:29] <Mopkop> now at the bottom of the file, type in the following....
[13:29] <Mopkop> /dev/hda {
[13:29] <Mopkop>         dma = on
[13:29] <Mopkop> }
[13:31] <Langjan> sorry cant find that symbol, the kinky bracket
[13:31] <Mopkop> next to P - you must hold down shift.
[13:31] <Mopkop> :)
[13:32] <Langjan> thks
[13:32] <Mopkop> Pleasure :)
[13:32] <Langjan> must dma go in a new line?
[13:33] <Mopkop> Hmm... not sure just do it to be safe.
[13:33] <Mopkop> O, and make a space between hda and {
[13:34] <Langjan> done, must I enter?
O to save
[13:34] <Mopkop> and the enter
[13:34] <Langjan> ok
x to exit, and then just restart.
[13:35] <Langjan> power off to restart?
[13:35] <Mopkop> sudo shutdown -r
[13:36] <Mopkop> Let's hope this worked, and did not break it further :P
[13:36] <Kilos> lol
[13:37] <Langjan> time expected Try 'shutdown --help' for more info 
[13:37] <Mopkop> sudo shutdown -r 0
[13:37] <Mopkop> I forgot the o
[13:37] <Mopkop> 0
[13:38] <Langjan> reboooting
[13:38] <Mopkop> In windows you have to delete the HD driver to fix it.
[13:39] <Langjan> ok viva linux
[13:41] <Langjan> no difference, windows still erratic, launcher not there, no buttons
[13:41] <Mopkop> Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[13:41] <Mopkop> Is it still slow?
[13:42] <Langjan> cursor arrow blinking every second
[13:42] <Mopkop> Ugh....
[13:42] <Langjan> cant really say, nothing is working, no menu buttons
[13:42] <Mopkop> When you were in the terminal with <alt><ctrl>F2, was it still very slow?
[13:43] <Langjan> terminal responded normally 
[13:44] <Mopkop> Hmm, a problem with compiz or xserv  then? 
[13:44] <Mopkop> try to go back into the terminal and type sudo top
[13:45] <Langjan> ok where do I go? 
[13:46] <Mopkop> Is the top program open now?
[13:46] <Langjan> yes
[13:47] <Mopkop> In the right most coulomb, try to find Xorg and compiz
[13:48] <Mopkop> I think there was an easy way to do this.
[13:48] <Langjan> trying bit a long list
[13:51] <Langjan> found xorg, it keeps jumping around
[13:52] <Mopkop> If you don't find compiz it is possible that you are not running Ubuntu.
[13:53] <Mopkop> Kubuntu uses something else, I believe. 
[13:53] <Langjan> well I stopped at xorg, can go looking for compiz but will losexorg
[13:54] <Mopkop> Is the laptop connected to the internet.
[13:54] <Langjan> Running ubuntu 14.04
[13:54] <Langjan> yes
[13:54] <Mopkop> Am... Let's see. Have you tried sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[13:55] <Mopkop> tap q to exit top
[13:55] <Langjan> no 
[13:56] <Mopkop> That command reinastalls all the programs that originally came with ubuntu.
[13:56] <Mopkop> But it takes a lot of data.
[13:56] <Mopkop> Maybe...
[13:56] <Mopkop> Does your computer enter the login screen normally?
[13:57] <Langjan> what do you mean by normally? No grub menu. shows splash screen which I was trying to eliminate
[13:58] <Langjan> dpkg was interrupted
[14:00] <Mopkop> Hmm... ai. Do you have windows installed on it, or is it only Ubuntu? What splash screen is that?
[14:00] <Mopkop> Sorry, was sleeping when you explained it :(
[14:01] <Langjan> Ubuntu, I followed dpkg prompt, now its running 
[14:02] <Mopkop> Let it finnish installing and restart. 
[14:03] <Langjan> ok thks
[14:03] <Mopkop> My pleasure. Let's just hope this works.
[14:04] <Mopkop> If it doesn't the problem is most likely some config file.
[14:06] <Langjan> I applied this - could it have contributed to the problem? http://askubuntu.com/questions/529244/how-can-i-disable-both-the-boot-splash-and-messages-during-boot
[14:07] <Langjan> ok finished, must I still do reinstall desktpo? 
[14:07] <Langjan> desktop
[14:07] <Kilos> Langjan  was it still running fine after this mornings install? until you did that
[14:07] <Langjan> yes
[14:07] <Kilos> then you broke it
[14:07] <Kilos> hehe
[14:08] <Kilos> Mopkop  loves doing that too
[14:08] <Langjan> Well I let it go to the original config when it asked me just now
[14:08] <Kilos> but he be very clever
[14:08] <Kilos> can you remember what you changed?
[14:09] <Kilos> old saying "leave well enough alone"
[14:09] <Kilos> spalsh screens arent hard on the eyes
[14:09] <Kilos> splash either
[14:10] <Langjan> yes what I changed it to but not what it was, however it would probably be right again after the last run
[14:10] <Kilos> lets see
[14:10] <Kilos> is it rebooting?
[14:10] <Mopkop> hmm, if you applied that then you can just reverse it, by retracing your steps. Can you please explain to me the problem in detail. I only followed half-way through :(
[14:11] <Kilos> Mopkop  was hanging
[14:11] <Kilos> we delted all partitions and zeroed mbr then reinstalled
[14:11] <Kilos> and it was ok then
[14:12] <Mopkop> And then the problem came back?
[14:12] <Kilos> im not sure if that above link messed something up
[14:12] <Kilos> ou oom Jan like nie splash screens nie
[14:13] <Langjan> I followed the instructions in the site (see the link above) to avoid the splash screen on startup
[14:13] <Langjan> Its not my machine, makes it worse, its one of my Ubuntu converts
[14:13] <Langjan> ok now I have memtest options on startup
[14:13] <Mopkop> Is dit nou daai ding wat sê Ubuntu 14.04 *kolletjie, kolltejie kolletjie? Die splash ek meen?
[14:14] <Langjan> must I just open Ubuntu?
[14:14] <Kilos> just enter
[14:15] <Kilos> that menu should boot automatically after 10 secs
[14:15] <Langjan> dis bladsye van wit letters op die skerm vooor die program oopmaak en ook by afsluiting 
[14:16] <Kilos> that is most likely grub showing you what it is doing
[14:16] <Langjan> Yes but its not booting
[14:16] <Kilos> should show some (ok) at the end near the end
[14:16] <Langjan> ja e weet, bootrepair from CD
[14:16] <Kilos> does it take long in places?
[14:16] <Kilos> lol
[14:17] <Kilos> watch it for a bit
[14:17] <Kilos> ubuntu tries to fix things itself
[14:17] <Kilos> what is in the last line where its sukkeling
[14:17] <Langjan> It keeps on going back to the grub screen
[14:18]  * Mopkop is not following
[14:18] <Kilos> oh wait
[14:18] <Kilos> its lightdm thats not happy
[14:18] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+F3
[14:18] <Langjan> its Ubuntu, then advanced options, then memtest, then memtest serial console 115200 
[14:19] <Kilos> you can go advanced options
[14:19] <Langjan> ctrl+alt+f3 does nothing
[14:19] <Kilos> and then recovery
[14:19] <Kilos> ai!
[14:19] <Kilos> F2 and F1?
[14:20] <Mopkop> So you can't enter Ubuntu now?
[14:20] <Langjan> tried the other one, recvery looks promising
[14:20] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+F1
[14:20] <Kilos> im sure its lightdm
[14:20] <Langjan> now I have 9 options
[14:20] <Mopkop> I think grub only gives limited options.
[14:20] <Mopkop> in the terminal I mean
[14:20] <Kilos> you just need to get to a terminal and run sudo apt-get install gdm
[14:22] <Langjan> resume, clean, dpkg, failsafex, fsck, grub, network, root, system-summary
[14:22] <Kilos> try root
[14:22] <Kilos> hopefully you can install gdm from there
[14:23] <Langjan> drop to root shell prompt?
[14:23] <Kilos> ya
[14:23] <Langjan> resume =resume normal boot
[14:23] <Kilos> drop to root shell prompt
[14:24] <Kilos> you toppies should learn to use kubuntu
[14:24] <Langjan> now it wants a command
[14:24] <Kilos> apt-get install gdm
[14:24] <Langjan> didnt like it
[14:24] <Kilos> ai!
[14:25] <Kilos> what did it say?
[14:25] <Langjan> error
[14:26] <Kilos> lets see what it does with dpkg commands
[14:26] <Langjan> not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[14:26] <Kilos> dpkg --reconfigure -a
[14:26] <Kilos> i might have that wrong
[14:26] <Langjan> then unable to write to var/cache/apt/  
[14:27] <Kilos> ai!
[14:27] <Langjan> then could not be parsed or opened
[14:27] <Kilos> what kind of root is that
[14:27] <Langjan> you told me to go there
[14:27] <Mopkop> I don't think apt-get works in grub's shell. It says something about limited functionality. Most of the programs haven’t  been loaded yet. 
[14:27] <Kilos> ok go with the recovery thing
[14:27] <Kilos> i think that ends with a terminal
[14:28] <Kilos> we just need to get to a terminal
[14:28] <Langjan> iit says root@kobus-w7xos:#
[14:28] <Langjan> we are in a terminal
[14:29] <Kilos> i mean a later one where apps are already there
[14:29] <Kilos> that root seems to be too early
[14:29] <Kilos> and playing in root can screw things bad
[14:30] <Langjan> so where do I go now?
[14:30] <Kilos> where are you
[14:30] <Langjan> where you took me
[14:30] <Langjan> root
[14:30] <Kilos> go out there now
[14:30] <Kilos> im sorry
[14:30] <Kilos> reboot
[14:30] <Langjan> no prob, how do I get out?
[14:30] <Kilos> then choose recovery
[14:31] <Kilos> hold the kill button
[14:31] <Kilos> hard reboot
[14:32] <Kilos> that error when it keeps going to the grub menu is a prob with lightdm and installing gdm fixes it
[14:32] <magellanic> hmm
[14:32] <magellanic> looks intense
[14:32] <Kilos> very
[14:33] <Kilos> i had it a couple of times with unity
[14:33] <Kilos> 1 year of peace with kde
[14:34] <Langjan> so do I go to resume normal boot now? 
[14:34] <Langjan> dpkg is repair broken packages
[14:34] <Kilos> try now
[14:34] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+F2
[14:37] <Langjan> ok its boooted and looks good, cpu 14% and temps coming down to the 40's
[14:37] <Kilos> yay
[14:37] <Langjan> did not go ctrl+alt+F2
[14:37] <Kilos> now reinstall some stuff
[14:38] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[14:38] <Langjan> like what?
[14:38] <Langjan> ok
[14:38] <Kilos> oh and synaptic
[14:39] <Kilos> tell me when done
[14:39] <Langjan> he wont use synaptic but perhaps I will need it when I help him
[14:39] <Langjan> done
[14:40] <Kilos> ok open synaptig
[14:40] <Kilos> k
[14:40] <Kilos> type in the small top window ubuntu-desktop
[14:41] <Langjan> have only done aptitude
[14:41] <Kilos> oh sudo aptitude install synaptic
[14:42] <Langjan> installing from software centre
[14:42] <Kilos> ai!
[14:42] <Kilos> thats so slow
[14:42] <Kilos> i dont like software centre at all
[14:43] <Kilos> synaptic much nicer and faster
[14:43] <Langjan> done
[14:43] <Kilos> ok open synaptic
[14:44] <Langjan> ok ive typed ubuntu desktop
[14:45] <Kilos> ubuntu-desktop
[14:45] <Kilos> dont forget the dash in between
[14:45] <Langjan> yes, done with hyphen
[14:45] <Kilos> oh is that what it is
[14:46] <Kilos> ok then on all the things that show installed with a blue colour i think
[14:46] <Kilos> right click and choose reinstall
[14:46] <Langjan> you can call it what you want, stays a hyphen - same as with k..ff.r
[14:46] <Kilos> lets see if it wants to fetch more
[14:46] <Kilos> lol
[14:48] <Kilos> we forgot the most important things but synaptic can do it too
[14:48] <Langjan> Miles my day is running out, are there more urgent things to be done? 
[14:48] <Kilos> just tick reload in the top left
[14:49] <Kilos> then when done choose edit at the top and mark all upgrades
[14:50] <Langjan> and then?quite a few
[14:50] <Kilos> if there are then the apply button will light up
[14:50] <Kilos> just choose apply
[14:50] <Langjan> 225 meg
[14:50] <Kilos> wow
[14:50] <Kilos> half that system isnt updated yet
[14:51] <Kilos> didnt you do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade after installing
[14:51] <Langjan> yes I did
[14:52] <Kilos> whew i wonder what all the extras are then
[14:52] <Langjan> and upddate mgr
[14:52] <Kilos> must be something thats needed or synaptic wouldnt show them
[14:53] <Kilos> if you tick details while its running you can see what it is fetching
[14:53] <Langjan> gibberish to me
[14:54] <Kilos> nee man lees mooi
[14:54] <Kilos> you will see packages
[14:54] <Kilos> oh
[14:54] <Langjan> lib soomethind and some linux image things
[14:54] <Kilos> tick on edges and stretch it wider
[14:54] <Kilos> all the important stuff
[14:55] <Langjan> then generic and headers
[14:55] <Kilos> and its not overheating?
[14:55] <Langjan> dan luislange
[14:55] <Kilos> or hanging
[14:56] <Langjan> running around 50 deg
[14:56] <Kilos> ya python stuff is what keeps everything going
[14:57] <Langjan> daai pel van jou dink as ek op die waaier stof afblaas ek sal hom beskadig...
[14:57] <Langjan> ok thats done
[14:57] <Kilos> ek blaas my hele pc met n compressor skoon
[14:57] <Langjan> nog ets?
[14:58] <Kilos> ok in top type in lightdm
[14:58] <Langjan> ja dis baie meer wind as wat 'n ou man kan genereer, al gebruik ek die agterkant...
[14:58] <Langjan> lmga
[14:58] <Kilos> right click reinstall
[14:58] <kulelu88> if you don't hold the fan in place and blast air onto it, the fan will spin too fast and break
[14:58] <Kilos> ya you cant run it till it screams and pops
[14:59] <Kilos> i hold one blade and then blow dust away
[14:59] <kulelu88> ya just like that
[14:59] <Langjan> OK kulelu88 I accept that, will remember 
[14:59] <Kilos> but often let them scream too to show whose the boss
[15:00] <kulelu88> if it's a PC, just buy a new fan. it's not expensive (I think)
[15:00] <Kilos> its a lappy
[15:00] <Langjan> well it seems fine, not noisy and coling oki
[15:00] <Langjan> coooling
[15:00] <Langjan> cooling
[15:00] <Langjan> need a spellchecker
[15:00] <Kilos> i must get some old ones so i can see how the insides fit together
[15:01] <kulelu88> jy kan in jou eerste taal praat oom Jan. 
[15:01] <Langjan> I have opened their seals and put soem good oil in, works
[15:01] <Kilos> prolong is the best
[15:01] <Langjan> Dankie ek kry sooibrand van al die Ingels
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:02] <Langjan> hype that is
[15:02] <Kilos> hoeoh ja lmga
[15:02] <Kilos> ek het dit al vergeet
[15:02] <Langjan> prolong is snake oil 
[15:02] <Kilos> wbb gotta get gates
[15:03] <Langjan> Got to go guys, sorry but thks very much for your time and able help
[15:03] <kulelu88> jy moet weet dat even though oom Kilos praat afrikaans, hy is a Engelse man. Hy kyk nie aan die koniging 
[15:04] <Langjan> Koning Jakob? 
[15:04] <kulelu88> :D
[15:06] <Kilos> lol
[15:07] <Kilos> ok Langjan  let us know
[15:07] <Kilos> dont mess with stuff
[15:09] <Langjan> Its not booting direct, going to ecovery mode otherwise it just goes back to boot options - nuisance
[15:09] <Kilos> just ignore that man its safe
[15:10] <Kilos> when you break it you will have recovery to fix things for you
[15:10] <Langjan> Its a schlep to have to go to so may options, talk later
[15:10] <Kilos> if you wait 10 secs it boots
[15:10] <Kilos> ai! die ou mense
[15:12] <Kilos> what a day
[15:12] <Kilos> hard to fix stuff i cant see or hit
[16:06] <Mopkop> I know what you mean Kilos. This morning the dominee called me from Cape town, needing help with the Wi-Fi on Win8. It's easy to fix it if you have the computer in front of you, but hard if he has to tell you what is (isn't) there.
[16:08] <Kilos> ya
[16:08] <Kilos> very difficult
[16:09] <Kilos> luckily i battled with unity till some stuff stuck im my subconscious
[16:24] <kulelu88> that's the tough part about knowing tech. Everyone thinks you're tech support :D
[16:26]  * psyatw is tech support
[16:26] <kulelu88> welcome psyatw 
[16:26] <kulelu88> you look new B-)
[16:27] <Kilos> lol he has just been away while moving to another country and find accomodation and work
[16:27] <Kilos> sometimes psydroid
[16:27] <psyatw> kulelu88, thank you :)
[16:27] <psyatw> I may look new but I can assure you I am not
[16:27] <psyatw> unless I was reborn
[16:27] <psyatw> :D
[16:31] <Kilos> http://thinkonbytes.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-tablet-with-ubuntu-preinstalled-ubutab.html
[16:31] <Kilos> that i could go for
[16:32] <Kilos> or an ubuntu fone
[16:32] <Kilos> these android things are maddening
[16:51] <Jacques_StrY> I would buy that
[16:52] <Jacques_StrY> still using a galaxy tab 10.1
[16:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:52] <Kilos> big bucks though
[16:52] <Jacques_StrY> my tab was R6500 so .....
[16:53] <Kilos> you can built a great pc for that money
[16:53] <Kilos> wow
[16:53] <kulelu88> psyatw: where do you live now?
[16:53] <Jacques_StrY> with taxes that UbuTab will be about the same
[16:53] <kulelu88> for R6500 you can pick up an i7 (methinks)
[16:53] <Kilos> get someone to buy it there and ship as a present
[16:55] <Kilos> i just need a 1155 i5 or i7 cpu then im smiling
[16:55] <Jacques_StrY> The thing is I always get the stuff on contract
[16:55] <Kilos> aha
[16:55] <Kilos> save
[16:55] <kulelu88> works out more expensive
[16:56] <Jacques_StrY> I pay the same on contract than if I bought it cash and got data with it so does not make sense to pay cash for it.
[16:56] <kulelu88> aah. now that makes sense
[16:57] <Jacques_StrY> They overcharge on cash sales to promote the contracts
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <Jacques_StrY> k
[16:59] <Kilos> kulelu88  he is in ireland
[16:59] <kulelu88> Jacques_StrY: only problem is being locked in for 24 months
[16:59] <kulelu88> congrats psyatw . you were brave enough to relocate :D
[17:08] <psyatw> kulelu88, thanks :) I am always willing to relocate in europe, the continent is so small compared to yours :D
[17:11] <psyatw> ok, time to go home now
[17:11] <psyatw> I will be back from there
[17:17] <kulelu88> compared to ours? I thought psy was south African
[17:18] <Mopkop> Is inkscape the same as Corel Draw?
[17:24] <Kilos> he is from netherlands then belgium i think before going to island
[17:27] <Kilos> ireland
[17:27] <Kilos> on the island
[17:44] <Jacques_StrY> Mopkop: Roughly yes
[17:46] <Kilos> evening superfly  
[17:47] <Mopkop> Ok, thank you Jacques_StrY!
[18:32] <superfly> hi
[18:32] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell superfly Beautiful" 12 hours, 50 minutes and 44 seconds ago
[18:32] <Kilos> wb psydroid  
[18:33] <psydroid> ty Kilos
[18:33] <Kilos> haha the bot caiught me, id forgotten about it
[18:33] <psydroid> hi superfly
[18:33] <superfly> Kilos: did you refresh thw page a few times?
[18:33] <superfly> *the
[18:34] <Kilos> oh no
[18:35] <Kilos> what do you think, i like the first one
[18:36] <superfly> Mopkop: I don't get asked to do tech support anymore. I last used Windows XP, and I make sure people know this. They stop asking.
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <superfly> Kilos: refresh a few more times
[18:37] <Kilos> ok
[18:38] <superfly> Kilos: and, I don't know which ones you've seen. They're completely random, I have nothing to do with the order in which you see them.
[18:38] <Kilos> oh 
[18:38] <Mopkop> Lol, I often get requests for xp too! Virusses the redirects google to some weird IP. 
[18:39] <Kilos> old kasbah in the sahara desert is nice i think superfly   which do you prefer
[18:40] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know
[18:40] <Kilos> others are also good, but imaging that old place wired up with fiber 
[18:40] <superfly> Kilos: but it doesn't matter, they're all going to stay
[18:40] <Kilos> oh cool
[18:41] <Kilos> i could enjoy looking out my window with a view from that old kasbah place
[18:42] <Kilos> superfly  i have a map of africa that names all the countries, dont know if you could use it, pro said something about right
[18:44] <Kilos> rights
[18:47] <Kilos> aw ive lost it
[18:47] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[18:48] <Kilos> we were thinking it would help when you tell someone you are from south africa they dont ask what country is that in
[18:55] <Kilos> superfly  http://pbrd.co/1GkeMVY
[18:57] <superfly> "Windhoek" is spelled wrong
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[19:01] <Kilos> maybe thats how germans spell it
[19:01] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[19:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[19:01] <Kilos> achtung dammit inetpro  
[19:02] <Kilos> now hell say he has a life as well
[19:02] <Kilos> oh after ai! of course
[19:02] <magespawn> good evening
[19:03] <Kilos> hows magespawn  this evening
[19:05] <magespawn> got home a bit late for me, but good otherwise, and you?
[19:06] <Kilos> im good ty just over worked and under paid
[19:06] <Kilos> hehe
[19:06] <captine> evening all
[19:06] <Kilos> hi captine  
[19:09] <magespawn> hi captine 
[19:09] <captine> hi there
[19:10] <magespawn> so had that cryptowall malware earilier this week
[19:10] <captine> soo tired chaps.  might doze off in front of the screen
[19:10] <magespawn> my boss thinks we can still recover the files
[19:10] <Kilos> np captine  
[19:10] <Kilos> dont fall of chair
[19:10] <captine> lying in bed
[19:10] <Kilos> eish magespawn  
[19:11] <magespawn> if your head is one the keyboard you might type something like fpsduihfgipaurfgaweipyfm[wMKCVAOIJWEO[fk
[19:11] <magespawn> Kilos: the files have been encrypted with RSA-2048 bit 
[19:11] <Kilos> i dont even know what that is magespawn  
[19:12] <Kilos> is the RSA za related?
[19:13] <Kilos> http://www.malwarekillers.com/how-to-decrypt-cryptodefense-files/
[19:14] <Kilos> http://www.malwarekillers.com/recover-files-encrypted-cryptowall-cryptodefense/
[19:14] <Kilos> did that thing encrypt them
[19:18] <Kilos> oh i looked up the RSA thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_numbers
[19:20] <Kilos> my poor browser has over 30 tabs open
[19:24] <kulelu88> I still haven't played minetes :(
[19:24] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  hasnt been online i been keeping an eye out for him
[19:25] <Kilos> maybe he is on leave
[19:29] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_%28cryptosystem%29
[19:35] <Kilos> sjoe heavy stuff hat for ballies
[19:35] <Kilos> that
[19:42] <kulelu88> many clever ballies write the most powerful encryption stuff 
[19:43] <magespawn> https://www.digicert.com/TimeTravel/math.htm
[19:43] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:43] <magespawn> now that is interesting
[19:44] <Kilos> you need grumbles for that
[19:46] <kulelu88> encryption is too complicated from the beginning. would be cool if it was simplified at the beginner level
[19:47] <Kilos> lol
[19:47] <kulelu88> I tried a course from coursera, shit got confusing 
[19:49] <Kilos> wb Langjan  
[19:49] <Kilos> did it break again?
[19:51] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, its running fine thks, just the boot sequence, starts with options for Ubuntu, select recovery mode, then select specific version, then select normal boot and then final selection. So you have to select four times before it finally boots. 
[19:51] <magespawn> it is all just maths
[19:52] <Kilos> do you have to chose one or does it boot if you hit enter
[19:53] <Langjan> No you have to choose every time, first time I've seen that
[19:53] <Kilos> oh ive never seen that
[19:53] <Kilos> klideas
[19:54] <Kilos> something in grub is messed up
[19:54] <Langjan> If you dont it comes back to the original options
[19:55] <Kilos> something in /etc/default/grub is messed up i think
[19:56] <Kilos> look at that file on your machine
[19:56] <Kilos> see what is different
[19:59] <Kilos> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[20:00] <magespawn> sudo vim
[20:00] <Kilos> no man magespawn  
[20:02] <magespawn> Pandorni was stuggling with the uuid at boot?
[20:02] <Kilos> ya but boot-repair fixed it i think
[20:02] <magespawn> not sure if that is the correct spelling of his nick
[20:03] <Kilos> ballies like us cant do vim
[20:03] <Kilos> padroni
[20:03] <magespawn> there is the option in grub to not pass that to the linux kernel at boot
[20:03] <magespawn> yup that is it
[20:03] <kulelu88> nano is easier to use than vim
[20:04] <Kilos> ya i enjoy nano
[20:05] <Kilos> the thing is guys it should not have to got through the menu manually
[20:05] <Kilos> go through
[20:05] <Kilos> top option should boot auto after 10 secs
[20:06] <Kilos> all i can think of is making grub same as a working machine
[20:06] <Kilos> oh Langjan  sudo update-grub
[20:07] <Kilos> and or sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc
[20:15] <Langjan> OK thanks guys, the machine is back with its owner but I will try and let you know when I get my hands on it again. 
[20:16] <Langjan> My grub does not show so no good trying to make it the same, but your commands should sort it Kilos? 
[20:16] <Kilos> i am sure if you fiddle in /etc/default/grub you need to run sudo update-grub afterwards
[20:17] <Kilos> and grub-pc is the package
[20:17] <Langjan> I tried but it did not run
[20:17] <Kilos> what you mean your grub does not show?
[20:18] <Langjan> It just boots straight away
[20:18] <Kilos> the file /etc/default/grub must be there
[20:18] <Langjan> maybe shows so quick I don't see it?
[20:18] <Kilos> compare the 2 files if update grub and install grub-pc doesnt work
[20:19] <Mopkop> I paste my grub file into the bin. I think it is unaltered. So you can just compare it with yours: http://bin.snyman.info/p3ku5
[20:19] <Kilos> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[20:19] <Langjan> Thks
[20:19] <Langjan> Is that to see it?
[20:19] <Kilos> yes
[20:20] <Kilos> thats also where you fiddled to kill splash
[20:20] <Langjan> thats right, burnt my fingers
[20:20] <Kilos> lol
[20:21] <Kilos> just compare that one with yours or Mopkop  s one
[20:21] <Kilos> as far as i understand the hash at line start stops that line from working
[20:21] <Kilos> no hash means active line
[20:22] <Langjan> So the sequence is to try your two commands, if it does not work then edit to be the same as mine? 
[20:22] <Kilos> ya
[20:22] <Kilos> just make everything same
[20:22] <Kilos> no extra spaces or anything else
[20:22] <Langjan> contradicting...
[20:23] <Kilos> preaactly the same
[20:23] <Kilos> explain
[20:23] <Kilos> im contradicting?
[20:24] <Langjan> you say ya to "try your two commands and if it does not work then edit" then say just make everything the same 
[20:24] <Kilos> yes try commands first
[20:25] <Kilos> if it doesnt work then make his grub file same as yours
[20:25] <Kilos> you getting me very involved in serious stuff you know oom
[20:26] <Langjan> That's why I keep young people around, they grew up with computers...
[20:27] <Kilos> ya thats where i learned everything ive forgotten
[20:27] <Kilos> actually funny being old
[20:28] <Kilos> my sis foned to have some settings in her blackberry sorted, and they eventually asked her isnt there some young person around
[20:28] <Mopkop> Better to use gedit and just copy-paste
[20:28] <Kilos> nano works fine with copy paste as well
[20:29] <Kilos> well paste actually, havent tried to copy from it i think
[20:29] <Mopkop> Really? Didn't realize. 
[20:29] <Kilos> nano is very lekker
[20:30] <Langjan> Speaking of lekker, when last did you guys taste real Cape hanepoot?
[20:30] <Kilos> wew
[20:30] <Kilos> 40 years ago
[20:30] <Mopkop> Never, actually.
[20:30] <Kilos> nice sweet wine
[20:31] <Langjan> Well I brought some from George on the weekend, its so sweet it burns the palate...hmmmm - nooo, the grape in fresh form, no fermentation
[20:32] <Kilos> ya both are lekker
[20:32] <Kilos> i like sweet
[20:32] <Kilos> large green grapes
[20:33] <Langjan> not too large, very round 
[20:33] <Kilos> oh
[20:34] <Langjan> Anyway, I need to get some sleep, want to watch the Proteas trying to break their choke tomorrow
[20:34] <Kilos> night Langjan  sleep tight
[20:35] <Kilos> lets hope ya
[20:35] <Mopkop> It's at 5:30 already... Ok then Lekker slaap oom!
[20:36] <Langjan> Thks Kilos, you also. Yes, my heart says the will make it, my bietjie verstand se hulle kom na more terug huistoe
[20:36] <Kilos> lol
[20:37] <Langjan> Lekker slaap jy ook Mopkop
[20:42] <Kilos> i go sleep as well. night all. sleep tight