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didrocksgood morning06:58
darkxsthey didrocks07:00
didrockshey darkxst07:00
darkxstdidrocks, curious what happens to all our MIR's now?07:01
didrocksdarkxst: don't have time to look retrospectively to old ones, I would say, we need the discussion that started on grilo to end up with strong resolutions first, and then, if someone has time, they can go back in time07:03
darkxstdidrocks, was talking more future, than resprospectively07:04
didrocksdarkxst: you need to find some team at canonical wanted to support the source I guess07:05
didrocksdarkxst: if you are concerned by this, I would say raise it to the technical board07:05
darkxstdidrocks, its a little concerning, some of it is due to -desktop team still holding randsom over g-s-d/g-c-c, but the rest comes from the large overlap with Ubuntu07:07
darkxstand many times in the overlap case, Canonical don't want the new features that pull in the new deps, or they want to wait etc07:08
darkxst(Canonical teams)07:08
didrocksdarkxst: yeah, nothing I can really do here, so when you get the issue and you are stuck, feel free to raise it there I guess07:08
darkxstdidrocks, I wasnt expecting you to fix it, but sooner or later it will have to come that that (TB)07:11
seb128good morning desktopers07:22
didrockshey seb12807:22
seb128TB ... not sure what they can do there?07:22
seb128they can't decide that packages should be supported even if there is nobody to support those07:22
mlankhorstmorning07:27
didrocksmorning mlankhorst07:28
seb128hey mlankhorst07:36
larsugood morning07:36
darkxstseb128, except there are teams to support them, just not Canonical teams, so either thats a technical issue that the archive structure is insufficient, or its a political issue08:24
darkxstunless support is meant to mean some bespoke custom development on demand type things08:25
seb128darkxst, the issue is also to know that if there is a security problem in one of those packages in 3 years there is somebody to deal with it08:28
seb128darkxst, or there is no garanty that volunteers are still going to be around or wanting to resolve the issues in 3 years08:29
seb128so I don't think it's a Canonical or not, just need to have a solid reference which can be trusted08:30
seb128sorry, user switching screwed my session :-/08:33
darkxstand what make a solid reference?08:34
seb128dunno, if you were in charge, what would make you trust somebody to still be around in 3 years?08:35
seb128I guess it mostly mean having a commercial backing behind08:35
seb128or a group solid enough that you trust them to not vanish easily08:36
seb128like Debian08:36
seb128well, those are in nowhere official statements08:36
seb128just my view on the issue08:36
darkxstseb128, IT companys come and go like the wind08:37
seb128not all08:37
seb128I'm ready to bet my money that microsoft, apple and google are still there in 3 years08:37
darkxstand all of the packages we have MIR'd are well maintained in Debian08:37
seb128well, maybe that has to be enough08:38
seb128as said I'm just doing loud thinking there, those are not official statement08:38
seb128the current archive layout is suboptimal08:39
seb128shame that the archive re-org was never fully done08:39
darkxstseb128, sure the big boys will be around, will canonical be?08:39
seb128the idea was to be able to tag packages as supported without having to rely on the main/universe split08:39
seb128darkxst, not sure, but that's not really revelant to the discussion08:39
seb128we are talking about how Canonical hold to its engagement to maintain those packages and deal with security issues&co08:40
darkxstseb128, just saying IMO commercial backing doesnt provide a huge guarantee in itself08:40
seb128if Canonical is not sure anymore the question of how they provide their support vanishes iwth it08:40
seb128not sure->not there08:41
seb128right08:41
seb128so you argue that support should be provided only for things Canonical is ready to support itself08:41
seb128and not trust anyone else, including other IT companies08:41
seb128which is a fair position08:41
darkxstseb128, no I argue, there needs to be a way for this to work, for the community flavours08:42
seb128"this" being?08:42
seb128you can't force Canonical to provide free support for things you need but Canonical has no direct interest in08:43
darkxstwe don't even want to do that, but the archive structure seems to dictate it08:44
seb128well, there are solutions08:45
seb128including finishing the archive reorg08:45
seb128or moving sources to universe08:45
seb128we could also duplicate sources if really needed08:46
seb128like have a nautilus in main and nautilus-tracker in universe08:46
seb128in practice there is no real problem so far though08:46
seb128Canonical teams have been happily taking over some extra packages in those cases to try to accomodate for others08:47
seb128like desktop team subscribed to tracker and grilo08:47
willcookemorning desktoppers08:47
seb128hey willcooke, how is grey London today?08:47
darkxstseb128, yes for the couple of cases that were bought up08:49
didrocksmorning willcooke08:49
seb128darkxst, so in practice there is no real issue?08:49
darkxstseb128, if desktop team, takes all our MIR requests then no08:50
darkxstyou probably want gom anyway eventually (that will be next up I think)08:51
darkxstnext MIR08:52
seb128what is gom doing?08:54
seb128"GObject Data Mapper"08:54
seb128k08:54
didrocksseb128: it's like the django model, you write classes and it's translated into sql queries08:55
didrocksseeing the number of bugs/issues that I heard about it, not sure it suits main though08:56
darkxstdidrocks, its quite new still08:58
didrocksyeah, that's the reason why it's maybe too new to be in main08:59
* willcooke curses the wifi09:00
darkxstdidrocks, I agree its not ready, but it will need to be at some point09:01
didrocksyeah, just don't feed the MIR before it is :)09:02
didrocksfile*09:02
darkxstdidrocks, have I ever filed any unreasonable MIR's? I don't think so09:06
didrocksdarkxst: no, but when you were telling "gom will be next up", I started to be afraid that you were referring for something like "soon"09:06
Laneygrr09:09
darkxstdidrocks, I did not say soon09:09
Laneyno network on resume, as usual09:09
Laneyrestart network manager, system hangs09:09
Laney#fail09:09
didrocksLaney: did you try with upstart?09:10
didrocksat least, to get systemd out of the loop09:10
Laneythat was upsstart09:10
didrocksah09:11
didrocksso, on both? seems networkish managerish or rfkillish/hardwarish09:11
darkxstdidrocks, atleast for now, we have got though the backlog of MIR's for 3.12/1409:12
darkxstgrilo/plugins is planning on using gom, not sure they have switched yet though09:12
darkxst(on a hard-dep basis)09:13
didrocksdoesn't seem yet from git master09:13
Laneyit will do, which will be an improvement imho09:16
Laneysome of the current direct interaction with sqlite is a bit shonky09:16
darkxstLaney, then again some of sparql also plays up with sqlite at times09:18
darkxstbut it should be much easier for a higher level framework to write valid SQL you would think09:19
* Laney looks at didrocks 09:38
Laneyseems to me as if you are in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev ... want to review that machine-id test fix? :)09:40
didrocksLaney: pfff, I'm in as a *side effect* ;)09:42
didrocksjoke apart, I think the QA team should review the tests (even if this seems to be trivial), I'm happy to do it as a fallback if no-one is available though09:43
Laneytried pinging this cihelp thing, no reply yet09:43
darkxstLaney, I messed your comment of the gnome-contacts FFe, but guess its needs a UIFe no also09:43
Laneyya09:43
Laneyis it worth it now?09:43
darkxstthe UI is largely unchanged on Unity (except the proper menu bar I added) and the change to add account dialog09:44
didrocksLaney: keep me posted09:45
LaneyI'll just ask plars or someone09:45
darkxstLaney, guess its ok to land first thing in W though09:46
Laneyno promoted desktop iso since march 6th sucks09:46
Laneydarkxst: If you want to ask for the UIFe then go for it09:47
Laneyif you think the benefits are worth it09:47
darkxstBenefits for us, not for you guys, though larsu thinks both existing and new UI's are bad09:49
seb128Laney, what's the issue with the iso?09:50
Laneysmoke tests are failing09:50
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seb128what tests/on what error?09:56
Laneyhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/vivid/view/Smoke%20Testing/ -> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/vivid/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/vivid-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/131/artifact/utah-35520-vivid-amd64_default.run_2015-03-18_08-03-10.yaml09:57
seb128oh, it's the machine-id thing you were discussing which is the issue10:02
Laneyye10:05
Laneynot sure why there's a test for this implementation detail10:05
seb128larsu, Laney, can one of you maybe review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/non-unity-sessions-need-scaling/+merge/250153 for me? it's sitting there for a while and I think it's correct/should land for vivid since it fixes oem issues11:12
seb128brb session restart11:15
larsuseb128: approved. Thanks. Going to lunch now :)11:20
seb128larsu, thanks!11:20
larsu:)11:20
* Laney wonders how to get email about these MPs11:22
seb128larsu, the 16/9 value thing is just copy from GNOME code, but agreed on fixing it at the right place, if possible11:22
seb128but seems it's the hardware sending buggy values11:22
seb128so unsure we can compute valid ones11:22
seb128larsu, Laney, review on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/battery-info-key/+merge/253336 appreciated as well11:36
Laneyseb128: don't want to take that upstream commit to make the notification work?11:40
seb128Laney, no11:45
seb128Laney, I tried to use a notification, it looks weird with notify osd11:46
seb128well, first the function use doesn't work under notify-osd so you still don't get a notification11:46
seb128I did a custom one like we do for others but it looks weird11:46
seb128like having a battery icon and 100% as text11:46
seb128we could draw a progressbar like for volume11:47
seb128but I'm unsure it's a good UI11:47
seb128that would need proper design11:47
seb128if somebody is interested to work on that feel free11:47
Laneyyeah it seems like a weird action11:47
Laneyi wonder why they want that11:47
larsuseb128: too late :)12:23
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seb128Trevinho, attente_, hey, when you added the keygraber to compiz to handle GNOME keybindings, did you look at providing the timestamp as well?14:46
Trevinhoseb128: mh, attente did the internals... But I think he did14:46
* Trevinho checks14:46
seb128no, it's an uu14:47
Trevinhoseb128: no, in fact...14:47
seb128I'm asking because we would need to avoid focus issues14:47
seb128https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=487a936e61766f0306772c1269e2ff437fc53a4614:47
Trevinhoseb128: so... where's the new API?14:47
seb128Trevinho, new API?14:47
Trevinhoyou're faster than my fingers :P14:48
Trevinhoseb128: that's the new api I guess... we cpouldn't use uuu before14:48
attente_seb128: i don't think so14:48
seb128attente_, Trevinho, is that something you could easily change?14:48
seb128not sure if unity has the timestamp value handy at this point of the code14:49
Trevinhoseb128: is that already in vivid (the {u,g}-s-d part)?14:49
seb128Trevinho, no, signatures need to match14:49
Trevinhoseb128: yes, compiz gives us14:49
seb128so we can't land only one side14:49
Trevinhoseb128: I know... so we should update them all together14:49
seb128I was looking at backporting that commit14:49
seb128but then it complains about the mismatching signature14:49
seb128so I'm asking if somebody could do the unity side14:49
Trevinhoseb128: we can sync with that14:49
TrevinhoI can prepare a branch in seconds14:49
seb128Trevinho, please do14:50
Trevinhoseb128: sure14:50
seb128:-)14:50
seb128thanks14:50
Trevinhoseb128: ouch I hope I've not been too positive, as we've the timestamp on options, let me check further14:52
seb128Trevinho, k14:52
Trevinhoseb128: ah, no sorry... we've it14:52
Trevinhono worries14:52
seb128great :-)14:52
Trevinhoseb128: do you have a bug for it?14:56
seb128Trevinho, no, but I can open one if you want, I was just checking if I find one14:56
Trevinhoseb128: ok, I leave that to you with great pleasure :)14:56
* Trevinho really can't understand why they didn't do this from the very beginning... timestamp MUST BE THEREEEEEE (or crazyness happens)!14:57
Trevinhoseb128: lp# ready? :)15:02
seb128Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/143364815:03
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1433648 in unity (Ubuntu) "u-s-d needs timestamp to run commands" [Undecided,New]15:03
Trevinhocool15:03
Trevinhoseb128: here it is https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/gnome-keys-timestamp-api/+merge/25338015:06
seb128Trevinho, thanks!15:07
seb128Trevinho, I'm testing the combined changes, give it a bit to build and I can confirm if it works15:09
Trevinhoseb128: cool, ChrisTownsend will check the unity code meanwhile15:10
seb128Trevinho, great, thanks15:10
tejotaHow could I setup an web accessible Ubuntu desktop (VDI/DaaS sort of thing, I guees) on a VPS (say, with Digitalocean)?15:30
Laneyhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/15:49
Laneya new current image is born15:49
didrocksLaney: I hope it does boot under upstart :p (see #ubuntu-release ;))15:57
Laneyha15:57
happyaronLaney: just come up with a patch for language-selector's pkg_depends, how can I test whether it work in installation?16:12
Laneyinstall it in a live session and try installing16:12
happyaronOK16:12
Laneydidn't somebody else come up with a patch already?16:12
happyaronnope, :)16:12
Laneybug #143133716:12
ubot5bug 1430893 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1431337 [FFe] Install Fcitx for Chinese users" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/143089316:12
Laneyffs16:13
Laneyhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/200029284/fcitx-support.debdiff16:13
happyaronic, the way of modifying it is correct, but it's not pulling in the correct packages16:14
happyarondidn't notice the patch though, quickly merged after it's reported16:14
Laneyprobably give this guy credit16:15
happyaronthat's not a problem16:15
happyaronwill16:15
happyaronwill write him in changelog16:15
happyaron9.48MB/s getting daily-live, yay16:18
seb128Trevinho, the changes work great, thanks ;-)16:23
seb128bregma, hey, do you plan an unity landing in vivid soon? I would like to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1433648 fixed but it needs to coordinate u-s-d and unity landings16:25
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1433648 in unity (Ubuntu) "u-s-d needs timestamp to run commands" [Medium,In progress]16:25
bregmaseb128, soon, just focused on a Unity 14.04 SRU at the moment, the MP for that bug is in the review queue right now16:26
* bregma is keeping away from ci-train after breaking it the last time16:26
seb128bregma, k, how do you want to handle the sync? do you plan to include u-s-d in the next unity silo?16:26
bregmawe could do it that way16:27
bregmawhat's the u-s-d MP?16:27
seb128not up yet16:27
seb128I'm wondering if I should use a versionned Breaks16:27
seb128and on what unity version then16:28
seb128to ensure they get updated together16:28
bregmahamm, we could do an upstream Unity release to keep it simple16:28
seb128did you plan to bump the version for the next vivid landing?16:29
bregmaI can, if we release 7.3.2 upstream16:30
seb128well, should I use that in my u-s-d mp then?16:30
bregmayes, let's do that16:30
seb128bregma, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/timestamp-for-commands/+merge/25339416:32
seb128bregma, please include in your next unity update silo then ;-)16:33
bregmawill do16:33
seb128bregma, thanks16:34
seb128larsu, your gnome-desktop current patch seems to work fine, is it still creating issues with nautilus?16:34
seb128or should I upload?16:34
seb128I test my testcase with scale 1 and 2 and nautilus with scale 1 and 2, things look fine16:35
seb128though nautilus with scale 2 has the image not properly scaled it seems but that was already the case16:35
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larsuseb128: works for me, but please test it again to make sure17:03
larsuseb128: it propery scales it now with the new version of my patch. not for you?17:06
seb128larsu, well, I built a package and test both testcase and nautilus17:06
seb128larsu, is GDK_SCALE=2 nautilus supposed to render the full bg image?17:06
seb128or is with scaling 2 the image supposed to go over the screen?17:06
larsuno, it shouldn't go over the screen17:08
seb128larsu, sorry, tried again and took screenshot, I probably got confused by the big icons17:11
seb128exactly the same17:11
* seb128 validates larsu's fix and upload17:11
larsu\o/17:11
seb128larsu, thanks again for working on that!17:12
seb128larsu, I commented on the upstream bug saying that the fix works for me17:12
larsuseb128: just saw, thanks17:12
seb128yw!17:13
larsuseb128: it's not exactly the same. Should be better (try with an image where you can see the pixels)17:13
* larsu had a blck/white 1x1 checker pattern to test17:13
LaneyJohnLea_: willcooke: hi, do you plan to address #21 / #22 from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1429011 ?17:23
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1429011 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "15.04 wallpapers package" [Medium,Triaged]17:23
willcookeLaney, nope, but JohnLea_ might ^^^^17:24
Sweet5harklarsu: you Berlin guys certainly have too much VC flying around: http://www.deutsche-startups.de/startups-jobs/stellenangebote/tester-qualitaetsmanager-bordelle-mw/17:24
larsuSweet5hark: lol!17:26
willcookeLaney, JohnLea_ - I will email Alex as well17:26
Laneywillcooke: ok, if you could give a size budget of 4M that would be helpful too. ;)17:27
willcookeLaney, sure17:27
Laneythanks17:29
* Laney looks out for xnox's OCD17:31
willcooke:D17:32
xnoxLaney: is there a new wallpaper, or are you gonna kill me with off-set one?!17:32
willcookexnox, were you more concerned about the horizontal alignment, or both horizontal and vertical?17:32
willcookeor was it the dots?17:33
xnoxwillcooke: the horizon height is imho critical.17:33
seb128Laney, larsu, any news of the theme/csd decoration look changes?17:33
xnoxwillcooke: the rest are minor, knit pickings.17:33
xnoxwillcooke: the "center horizontal fold"17:33
willcookeack17:33
larsuseb128: not yet :(17:33
willcookeso it needs to be, well, in the middle17:33
willcooke?17:33
xnoxwillcooke: john lea is not the one who has assets or drew this.17:33
xnoxwillcooke: previously i would just wonder around blue fin, until i find the right person to nudge things in photoshop and email them to me.17:34
willcookeno but he's the Design person in the channel17:34
xnoxLOL17:34
willcookexnox, if you're in the office, then I expect Alex is as well, he's the guy who drew them17:34
xnoxwillcooke: honestly, just find the person who drew it direct.17:34
seb128Laney, larsu, I don't think we need to ask for permissions, we just need to drop them a fyi and upload17:34
Laneyyes we do17:34
xnoxwillcooke: i quit canonical last year, fyi ;-)17:35
Laneyit didn't show up on the list though17:35
seb128Laney, we do what?17:35
willcookeoh! yeah!17:35
willcookexnox, yeah, I've email him17:35
seb128fyi or ask for permission?17:35
Laneyneed the fyi at least17:35
Laneybut it's not even on there yet17:35
seb128right17:35
LaneyI asked pmatu something to moderate the list but it's still not there17:35
larsuLaney: awaiting approval... if this is the process, it isn't good17:35
Laneyyeah no shit17:36
seb128on what list is it moderation? documentation?17:36
Laneyubuntu-doc17:36
seb128k17:37
seb128asking on #ubuntu-devel in case17:37
seb128larsu, who would be the right person to review/ack https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ido/prelight-and-focus-scale/+merge/252293 ? charles ?17:37
larsuLaney: are you on that list? Can you please just send an email from your account?17:37
larsuthat would at least get *this* thing moving17:37
Laneydon't know17:37
LaneyI think not17:38
seb128larsu, can you fwd me the email you sent?17:38
larsuseb128: yes, and the original reporter of the bug (ochosi)17:38
seb128ochosi, can you test/review ^ ?17:39
larsuLaney: why not?17:39
larsuseb128: sure17:39
Laneywhy not what?17:39
ochosihey guys17:39
ochosii'm using that same code in a panel plugin for xfce, that's how i noticed the bug :)17:39
ochosiso yeah, that fix works for me there, but i can try to test it with ido too17:40
larsuLaney: I asked if you can send an email and your next message was "don't know. I think not." I guess that was unrelated?17:40
Laneyfirst you asked if I was on the list. :P17:40
seb128ochosi, thanks17:40
ochosianything special i need to know for testing/building that lib?17:40
seb128charles, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ido/prelight-and-focus-scale/+merge/252293 ? should be an easy one17:40
larsuochosi: wait... if my fix to ido works for you, you must be using ido, no?17:40
ochosilarsu: nope, we borrowed the scalemenuitem code for an xfce plugin17:41
larsuochosi: how else would you be affected17:41
larsuochosi: so you copied the fix?17:41
seb128code copy17:41
larsuwell then…17:41
seb128larsu, should I see any difference under unity17:41
seb128or a "look the same" is good?17:41
ochosilarsu: yes, this is where we use it: http://imgur.com/TXhMUsA17:42
larsuseb128: it's there, but very subtle17:42
larsuseb128: switch to adwaita and you'll see it17:42
seb128larsu, k17:42
seb128larsu, switched to adwaita, windows decoration from your branch look weird, the min/max buttons and title are white on light grey17:44
seb128larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/ucc.png17:45
seb128not well vertically centered as well17:46
seb128but I guess in practice people don't use adwaita on unity17:46
larsuseb128: woah, I thought you were still talking about the scalemenuitem branch17:50
larsuseb128: how can changes to ubuntu-themes affect adwaita?17:50
seb128larsu, oh sorry, not I mean the ubuntu-themes decoration changes17:51
seb128oh, maybe it was there before17:51
seb128I don't try adwaita often17:51
seb128I've your branch applied though17:51
seb128ignore that17:51
larsuseb128: probably. Don't switch to adwaita to test those changes. They're for ubuntu-themes17:51
seb128it doesn't seem a real world usecase17:51
seb128larsu, I was switching to test ido17:51
seb128but ja17:51
seb128larsu, can you resend your ffe email? the moderator said he doesn't see it in the queue...17:52
seb128well, not to me but to the list17:52
* didrocks waves good evening17:52
seb128didrocks, night17:52
larsuseb128: ok17:52
seb128larsu, danke17:52
* larsu would have thought email works reliably these days17:52
seb128you did get an email saying it's waiting for moderation?17:52
larsuyes17:52
Laneysuspicious17:53
seb128larsu, in fact the moderation says it probably got disgarded, sorry about that17:53
seb128just resend17:53
Laneyhaha17:53
seb128the guy is around and can approve it17:53
larsudone17:53
Laneysee, email is reliable17:53
Laneyit's those pesky humans17:53
larsupesky17:53
Laneygood word17:53
larsuindeed17:53
larsuYour message to ubuntu-doc awaits moderator approval17:54
larsuYour message to ubuntu-doc awaits moderator approval17:54
larsulet's see…17:54
ochosiok done17:54
seb128ochosi, thanks17:56
seb128larsu, Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/gnome-keys-timestamp-api/+merge/253380 if you want another easy review ;-)17:56
ochosiseb128: np, thanks to larsu for coming up with the fix :)17:56
seb128hum, I don't have rights to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/overlay-scrollbar/blacklist-gnome-boxes/+merge/25156617:56
seb128can somebody do that for me?17:57
* larsu feels out of place to do so17:57
Laneyhahaha17:57
* Laney loves the blacklist bonanza17:57
Laneyno rights either17:57
Laneyseb128: did you mean to link the usd branch instead?17:58
Laneythe bug's a bit light on details17:58
seb128Laney, yes, sorry18:00
seb128Laney, added a testcase to the bug, but it's basically "use keybinding to open an app (calc, web, email) and it goes to background"18:01
seb128I noticed when testing my fix for the battery info key18:01
Laneycheers18:01
* Laney remapped the keys to do volume actions instead, lemme change18:02
seb128Laney, I mapped ctrl-alt-c to calculator to try18:02
seb128larsu, please send email again, you were in autodiscard for some reason, he fixed it for good this time18:03
Laneyit seemed to try and put them in empty space18:03
Laneystupid algorithm18:03
larsuseb128: should I write a script that sends it every 10 mins?18:04
Laneyhttps://imgur.com/HIe0Mq418:04
Laney:D18:04
larsuLaney: I've never understood why gnome-calculator is not a single-instance application18:06
larsu*single-window, sorry18:06
larsubbiab18:06
LaneyI can imagine wanting to do a few different calculations at once18:07
Laneymaybe...18:07
Laneygot to go, ttyl!18:07
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seb128larsu, lol, sorry :(18:12
* willcooke -> EOD. tata18:30
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