[00:46] <m0nkey_> grr... mouse pointer disappeared. it's still there, just not visible.
[00:46] <m0nkey_> anyway to reset the pointer from the shell?
[00:58] <zmoylan-pi> plug the mouse out and back in again?
[01:06] <m0nkey_> nope, had to restart X
[01:37] <zmoylan-pi> starting to wind down in dublin http://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar
[01:38] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: that's a mess!
[01:39] <diddledan> I like how the camera has had so much guinness that it's gone fuzzy, too
[01:39] <zmoylan-pi> well it was jammers earlier.
[01:39] <diddledan> did you go out and celebrate?
[01:40] <zmoylan-pi> nah
[01:40] <diddledan> or were you geeky and stayed with us :-p
[01:40] <diddledan> seriously? a rickshaw?
[01:41] <zmoylan-pi> they have those around dublin.  students make a few bob pedaling people in the back of them around city centre
[01:41] <diddledan> is that pub still open?
[01:42] <zmoylan-pi> well it won't be serving booze but people will be drinking their last drinks for next while
[01:42] <zmoylan-pi> offically
[01:43] <zmoylan-pi> so folk will go looking for a fast food joint open or wait in a massive queue for a taxi
[02:17] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/577994125171122176/photo/1
[02:32] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/578019245071724544/photo/1
[02:50] <diddledan> nvidia have a new gpu - the titan-x
[02:51] <diddledan> 8 beelion transistors
[02:52] <diddledan> 3000 cuda cores
[02:52] <diddledan> 12GB framebugger
[03:01] <diddledan> 7TFLOPS single precision - it's much slower on double-precision - they have an older card that beats it hands down at double-precision
[03:02] <diddledan> $999
[04:37] <mapp> hi night owls
[04:37] <mapp> wow sounds a lot
[04:37] <mapp> new series aired tonight yay
[04:37] <mapp> sounds ok
[04:37] <mapp> iZombie
[05:10] <mapp> battle creek time;D
[07:30] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:30] <knightwise> iZombie .. seriously ?
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:25] <bashrc> morning
[09:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:22]  * awilkins channels JamesTait
[09:22] <awilkins> Happy United Kingdom Budget Day!
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> Yay! I'm even more poor.
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> But that's OK.
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> It would really upset me if the non-taxpaying bankers had to give up their second Ferrari
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> The poor dears
[09:26] <ali1234> don't worry, now that you have no more money it's really easy for the HMRC to calculate your tax, so you won't have to do self assessment any more
[09:27] <ali1234> (but only if you re-elect the tories)
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> Dammit. I need to send a letter to HMRC confessing my sins. Again.
[09:27] <foobarry> HMRC conveniently underestimated my charitable giving by a few grand so my tax code is all wrong
[09:28] <foobarry> no idea where they get their figures from as its the same figure more or less each year
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> In fairness to them, they've actually been really helpful in the past. They agreed they owe me money. \o/
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I remember my first job and being stuck on the emergency tax code for w-a-y too long. Once they paid me back, it was like winning the lottery.
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> I gould afford a *second* 99p burger!
[09:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Forgive Mom & Dad Day! :-D
[09:29] <awilkins> Too late, we already impersonated you for UK Budget Dat
[09:29] <awilkins> *Day
[09:30] <foobarry> nobody says happy budget day
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> Why don't we call it what it is? It's not "Budget day" it's "Panic! Bribe the electorate day"
[09:30] <foobarry> except the chancellor
[09:30] <awilkins> I bet certain segments of the population are very happy about it
[09:30] <ali1234> if by "electorate" you mean "old people" then yes
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> Well there's no point in brining the young 'uns. They're all on zero-hour contracts and have no money!
[09:33] <awilkins> "Yeah, and we managed to convince that Russell Brand to tell them all not to vote..."
[09:35] <TwistedLucidity> He's right to think there's a problem, he's wrong to think that non-participation is somehow a solution.
[09:35] <foobarry> here's how i know linkedin are dodgy..
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: You keep getting invites from people who you may have communicated with, but linkedin shouldn't know about?
[09:36] <foobarry> i've never accepted any scraping of my email or cookies or info, but some guy who emailed me by accident over a mix up of email address is appearing in the "people you may know " category
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> I realised a while back they are buying my comms info from Google.
[09:36] <foobarry> is there proof
[09:37] <ali1234> it just means the other person imported their mail box
[09:37] <ali1234> every email has a "to" and a "from" you know
[09:37] <foobarry> i see other guys too
[09:37] <foobarry> its too consistent
[09:37] <TwistedLucidity> Well, I emailed a plumber about a quote. ~2 weeks later Linkdin suggested I added him as part of my network; how could they have known?
[09:37] <foobarry> i had one guy on my phone, i'm sure
[09:37] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: yeah, and g+ suggests these ppl too
[09:38] <foobarry> but at least google already know
[09:38] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Wouldn't know - the real me doesn't use G+
[09:38] <TwistedLucidity> I only have Linkedin because I was forced to
[09:39] <diplo> TwistedLucidity, do you have the app ?
[09:39] <foobarry> i don't
[09:39] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Yeah, you could be right there. Maybe I should put a disclaimer at the top of my email saying "You may no pass contact details to any third party"
[09:39] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Heck no. Why install more spyware?
[09:40] <popey> morning
[09:40]  * TwistedLucidity simply does not understand the whole "social media" thing.
[09:40] <diplo> At one point they were scouring your contacts, and there is an option on the site to join with your contacts but the same as FB etc, if you're in someone elses contacts that's all that it takes for them to link you to people
[09:40] <foobarry> well, its like irc
[09:40] <diplo> It sucks
[09:40] <foobarry> but slower
[09:41] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: IRC doesn't invade my privacy.
[09:41] <ujjain> do I work at good friday?
[09:41] <diplo> TwistedLucidity, me either.. only reason I'm on FB is to keep in touch with people up north, I actually meet and see my friends :)
[09:41] <foobarry> logs
[09:41] <foobarry> ujjain: its a public holiday
[09:41] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Pfft. Like this is my real name....
[09:41] <TwistedLucidity> And yes, I know my IP might be showing.
[09:41] <foobarry> ooer missis
[09:42] <ujjain> so we have a 4 day weekend?
[09:42] <foobarry> yes
[09:42] <JamesTait> YES! \o/
[09:42] <foobarry> most of us do
[09:42] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: That side of it I get (which is why I use a telephone and email), what I don't get is being treated as a leper for not being on FB.
[09:42] <foobarry> i have a 10 days weekend
[09:42] <TwistedLucidity> I am not on there as I assigned a non-zero value to privacy.
[09:42] <foobarry> facebook is great
[09:43] <foobarry> IMHO
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> ujjain: Check with HR - you may have floating holidays.
[09:43]  * TwistedLucidity doesn't usually get public holidays
[09:44]  * JamesTait reads the small print in foobarry's message: "facebook is (a) great (big privacy nightmare)".
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> I really should check out GNU Social at some point.
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> Thing is, if no one I know is on there; what's the point?
[09:45] <TwistedLucidity> It's like Skype. Sure, Tox/Jitsi/Whatever may be better; but if no one uses them....
[09:45] <foobarry> i like facebook for sharing photos and silly comments with friends and family members
[09:46] <foobarry> and for providing info about other acquaintances that makes it easier to have conversation with them when i see them at church or shopping in town etc
[09:46] <TwistedLucidity> Photos that can be used to advertise any product, at any time, in any place.
[09:48] <TwistedLucidity> Is facial recognition still a thing on FB?
[09:48] <awilkins> Of course it is!
[09:49] <awilkins> I quite like the notion of "local social" platforms
[09:50] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Another reason to avoid it then. Ta.
[09:50] <awilkins> But that YikYak thing proves that the Greater Internet F***wad effect extends to the Lesser Internet of local people.
[09:51] <TwistedLucidity> Huh?
[09:51] <Myrtti> awilkins: streetlife, then? :-D
[09:51] <awilkins> Anonymous local social network app
[09:51] <awilkins> People use it to send horrible death threats to everyone in the vicinity
[09:51] <foobarry> tag pictures of fluff and the man in the moon as yourself
[09:52] <Myrtti> I see hozelock uses Red Hat and Apache.
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: But...if you don't know there person or where they are...what's the point?
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Yay! I own GNU/Hose.! :-)
[09:53] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, Well, that's what a rational person would think. But some people just get giggles from imagining that they upset someone.
[09:53] <Myrtti> https://twitter.com/Hozelock/status/577494964680204288
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Well...one could play the odds and send "Root inject: OK. Camera on: OK. Message: Huh, that top doesn't do much for your eyes; does it?"
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Someone forgot to give user "www" read permits?
[09:56]  * TwistedLucidity has never forgotten that. Not ever. Honest.
[09:56] <Myrtti> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[09:57] <Myrtti> I fail in irssi
[09:57] <Myrtti> I had forgotten I had that in /completion
[09:57] <Myrtti> and so I pasted it instead of saying "sshrug" without the quotes.
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> Dunno if I can do that with Konversation. Didn't even know it was a thing.
[09:58] <Myrtti> irssi4lyfe
[09:58] <bashrc_> not just for christmas
[09:58] <diplo> I really must set my irssi back  up
[09:58] <diplo> :/
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> Does irssi support multiple identities?
[09:59] <Myrtti> define multiple identity
[09:59] <bashrc_> as in multiple nicks on different channels, yes
[10:00] <Myrtti> well, obviously if you want multiple nicks on same network, you need to have multiple connections to that network
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Different networks at once, with different logins etc
[10:00] <Myrtti> of course
[10:01] <Myrtti> I should continue on my crochet project so I can finish my Arduino project...
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> Auto-replaced test
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> Ah-ha!
[10:01] <Myrtti> hopefully I don't need to start a spinning project for the aforementioned
[10:04] <popey> \o/ irssi
[10:04] <popey>  (ʘ∇ʘ)ク 彡 ┻━┻
[10:04] <popey> and other completions
[10:12] <foobarry> how do you set a completion?
[10:16] <cocoa117> what is the populr computer security news site or RSS around?
[10:16] <cocoa117> popular
[10:17] <foobarry> OSS or general computing
[10:18] <cocoa117> foobarry, OSS as web site?
[10:18] <foobarry> open source security, or all type
[10:19] <foobarry> isc.sans.edu
[10:19] <ali1234> nothing gets past reddit
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> Including your life :-S
[10:20] <Myrtti> foobarry: /help completion?
[10:24] <awilkins> Is there an "official" full-disk-encryption for Ubuntu method?
[10:24] <Myrtti> luks?
[10:25] <awilkins> All the top hits for that say things like "Applicable to Ubuntu 10.04" and "Needs updating to include the latest versions"
[10:26] <directhex> luks requires d-i, iirc
[10:26] <awilkins> What's d-i ?
[10:26] <directhex> works with 14.04, but only from the d-i installer
[10:26] <awilkins> Is it compatible with bcache ?
[10:26] <popey> nope
[10:26] <popey> it doesnt
[10:26] <popey> it works from the graphical installer too
[10:27] <popey> I installed my 14.04 laptop with it, and have updated. It just works.
[10:27] <directhex> popey: i thought that was only ecryptfs homedir encryption
[10:27] <awilkins> What about encrypting a system that's already installed?
[10:27] <popey> nope, the installer does both
[10:27] <directhex> fancy
[10:27] <popey> you get luks option during partitioning, and then later, during user creation you get the ecryptfs option
[10:27] <awilkins> And will it work on bcache devices?
[10:27] <popey> i have never touced bcache, so pass
[10:28] <popey> don't see why not though
[10:28] <popey> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/76941/bcache-and-disk-encryption
[10:28] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/252140/how-do-i-install-and-use-flashcache-bcache-to-cache-hdd-to-ssd
[10:28] <diplo> OK irssi installed, now to remember how I had it set up :D
[10:29] <popey> heh
[10:29] <popey> again. \o/ irssi
[10:29] <foobarry> i have love hate with irssi
[10:29] <nigelb> irssi ♥
[10:29] <foobarry> i use it but the awesomeness is concealed
[10:29] <awilkins> Already got bcache installed :-)
[10:30] <popey> https://www.debian-administration.org/article/577/How_To_Migrate_to_a_full_encrypted_LVM_system
[10:30] <awilkins> help.ubuntu.com is a bit flaky ATM
[10:31] <popey> how so?
[10:31] <awilkins> Intermittently throwing 500 error pages
[10:31] <popey> thanks, will report
[10:32] <popey> hmm, i cant trigger that
[10:32] <diplo> I remember doing an encrypted connection to irssi before, what am I looking for ? rather than the identify thing
[10:33] <diplo> sasl ?
[10:33] <popey>  /help connect
[10:33] <foobarry> what gets encrypted? user/pass or everything?
[10:34] <popey> its over ssl
[10:35] <Myrtti> you would want sasl in most cases
[10:35] <Myrtti> and SSL in all cases
[10:38] <diplo_> \o/
[10:41] <foobarry> diplo_: can you tell me what settings you use when you work it out please?
[10:41]  * foobarry lazy
[10:41] <diplo> https://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-irssi.shtml
[10:43] <diplo> Typo, I now have #ubunt-uk A bit lonely though! :D
[10:43] <foobarry> The OpenSSL project team would like to announce the forthcoming release
[10:43] <foobarry> of OpenSSL versions 1.0.2a, 1.0.1m, 1.0.0r and 0.9.8zf.
[10:43] <foobarry> These releases will be made available on 19th March. They will fix a number of security defects. The highest severity defect fixed by these releases is classified as "high" severity."
[10:44] <awilkins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto << Last updated 12.10, doesn't recommend what seems to be the preferred option (LUKS)
[10:44] <awilkins> While it's easy to be a critic, Ubuntu needs good documentation on full-disk encryption if it wants to be taken seriously by the "enterprise" market
[10:45] <awilkins> I've got our new security officer who doesn't even seem to be aware of the existence of anything other than Windows
[10:46] <awilkins> Wanting us all on full-disk encryption
[10:46] <foobarry> always found it ironic that bruce schneier the security guy runs windows
[10:46] <bashrc_> full disk encryption is fine
[10:47] <foobarry> saw a load of helpdesk tickets about a certain windows botnet this week, but the names of all the machines were macbookpro, mbair, etc
[10:48] <bashrc_> it's amazing the amount of inertia which windows has, despite its flaws
[10:48] <bashrc_> shipping by default is really powerful
[10:48] <foobarry> its like a woman staying with a wife beater
[10:48] <bashrc_> yes, similar
[10:51] <diplo_> I like to see the channels in irssi and also nicks colored, anyone recommend the scripts ? Can't remember what I used before
[10:51] <foobarry> nickcolor
[10:51] <diplo_> Tooooo many on scripts.irssi :)
[10:51] <diplo_> ta
[10:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:51] <foobarry> i also use nicklist to show users in chan
[10:52] <foobarry> but it breaks copy/paste of long urls
[10:52] <bigcalm> irssi scripts I use: awayproxy.pl  keepnick.pl  nickcolor.pl
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Does hibernate work with full-disc-encrypt? I know it was failing for me with encrypted /home
[10:54] <awilkins> Dunno, never use it
[10:54] <awilkins> So LUKS needs a block devices so the layering would be    [discs] | bcache | LUKS   ?
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> What happens is that on restart, it can't access the /tmp area as it has lost the randomly generated ky
[10:55] <awilkins> Wait, does encrypted /home also encrypt /tmp ?
[10:55] <awilkins> And swap?
[10:56] <jpds> awilkins: No, always have LUKS on top.
[10:56] <TwistedLucidity> Swap, that was the one. Yes it does.
[10:56] <jpds> TwistedLucidity: And yes, you can hibernate with LUKs.
[10:57] <TwistedLucidity> jpds: Pretty sure that's what my /home uses and it doesn't work for me. Well, didn't.
[10:57] <TwistedLucidity> Shall test later
[10:58] <foobarry> stephen hawkings wife just rang me
[10:58] <awilkins> >-<
[10:58] <foobarry> HI...we have been TRYING to call YOU on numerous occasions regarding PPI...click
[10:58] <awilkins> Oh.
[10:59] <awilkins> Would be much cooler if it was actually his wife   "Hi, I've heard you're awesome at computers, will you come and program a small macro that makes Stephen's chair dance in time to Girls Aloud music?"
[10:59] <TwistedLucidity> Stephen Hawking is no so down on his luck, that he has to pimp his wife out for cold-calls? Wow. Call the Daily Mail!
[10:59] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Having read his bio, he might like that.
[11:00] <foobarry> i think he was married btu "ran" off with his nurse
[11:06] <TwistedLucidity> "Error message: null" <- going to be a long, long day :-(
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> nah i once got an error 13 or 15 from trying to print.  that had long day written all over it
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> no message, no text just error 15.  have you ever tried to search for such a descriptive error to find out what it means
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> and the new windows hello feature will have one great boon.  instead of dropping off pcs for you to fix 'in a few minutes' eejits will have to hang around for hours so reenter windows after every reboot
[11:11] <DJones> popey: There was mention of ubuntu.com having issues, this has just been commented on in #ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[11:12] <popey> thanks
[11:12] <DJones> It was Thebigdeal referring to it over there
[11:13] <popey> reported it
[11:29]  * JamesTait wonders if he should be concerned about the AWACS that's passed over his house four times in three days.
[11:30] <MooDoo> they are coming for you JamesTait ;)
[11:31] <JamesTait> They can have me. They'll soon give me back.
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> it might mean they're intercepting the secret messages your microwave is sending back to samsung
[11:32] <JamesTait> $ sudo snappy upgrade my-microwave
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> it'll need your credit card details but won't say why
[11:36] <JamesTait> It'll need to explain why it's sending messages back to Samsung instead of Kenwood as well.
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> it's undercover of course
[11:37] <shauno> they're not secret messages .. just everything you say in the room.  no secret .. anymore ;)
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> day #1737 more microwave popcorn...
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> either the phone, the tv or the internet connected barbie is grassing you up
[11:37] <popey> DJones: the box is currently under heavy load due to a long running backup. gonna leave it running so the backup completes, might be slow / unresponsive for a bit
[11:38] <DJones> Cheers
[11:38] <popey> np
[11:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: You're not my dad I don't need to apologise to you :P
[11:39] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:45] <JamesTait> davmor2, nor do you need to forgive me - oh, wait....
[11:47] <MooDoo> ho
[11:47] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[11:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: howdo
[11:49] <davmor2> JamesTait: hahaha nice :)
[12:21] <Myrtti> why am I surprised to hear Michel Roux Jr. speaking French? It makes no sense
[12:23] <popey> heh, yeah, all french chefs should speak in english with a comically bad french accent :)
[12:23] <Myrtti> I should brush up on my French...
[12:23] <Myrtti> been dormant for nearly 20 years.
[12:24] <awilkins> And a hilariously tall and bouffant taupe
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> no no the accent should be so bad as to throw off french people like inspector closeau.  minkey
[12:25] <awilkins> s/taupe/toque/
[12:26] <Myrtti> I have to say my enjoyment of this show is marred by the fact that plex doesn't seem to recognise that I've got Finnish subtitles for the show
[12:26] <Myrtti> it's a bit difficult to follow on the French without it
[12:26] <popey> also, other accents that sound great include English with Finnish accent (of course) and English with Danish accent. (Sweden too I guess)
[12:27] <popey> I don't know why, but every Finnish person I know speaks English with a kind of stilted cadence.
[12:27] <popey> (which I like)
[12:28] <directhex> all famous chefs should be lenny henry.
[12:32] <popey> http://notyetthere.org/the-reward-of-a-loooong-journey/
[12:32] <popey> \o/ we finally shipped a phone :)
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> someones phone fell in an envelope by mistake? :-P
[12:42] <DJones> Nah, popey just got sent to sea
[12:45] <popey> surprised mzanetti got his first
[12:45] <popey> given he ordered after me :)
[12:45] <TwistedLucidity> M comes before P?
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be interesting to see them in use
[12:46] <popey> his surname is Zanetti :)
[12:46] <TwistedLucidity> Be interesting to see if they gain traction, seeing as how Android is going down the toilet.
[12:46] <popey> which I am almost certain coms after P :)
[12:47] <popey> well the first phone is aimed at people like us - nerdy ubuntu friendly hackers
[12:47] <popey> not my mum
[12:47] <TwistedLucidity> I actually assumed that was the second phone - the quad(?) core jobbie coming out later this year
[12:48] <TwistedLucidity> So long as OEMs and carriers don't ruin it with their "add value" muck, should be good.
[12:49] <popey> octacore
[12:49] <TwistedLucidity> HTC desgin meeting: "So, we have the new version of Android, what should we do?" "Break all the things like last time?" "Sounds good to me!"
[12:50] <TwistedLucidity> popey: That's the puppy, couldn't recall for sure if it was octo
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> don't forget every app loaded with adverts!!
[12:50] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: That's OK if the app is free
[12:50] <TwistedLucidity> Dev's gotta make some money
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> when i used free apps on psion and palm and symbian i didn't have adverts or nagware
[12:51] <TwistedLucidity> Although I despise the sneaky ones that look like virus alerts.
[12:51] <knightwise> i did an extensive test of the S6 and the S6 edge yesterday
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: That's because the infrastructure didn't exist as it does now.
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> but americans are used to been bombarded by ads so what the hell
[12:52] <knightwise> Samsung has learned how to scale down touchwizz :)
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> TwistedLucidity: it did, a lot of pc shareware was nagware just didn't happen on mobile
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Meh, I wasn't rich enough to afford a Psion.
[12:53] <TwistedLucidity> They were neat though
[12:53] <TwistedLucidity> For the time
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> you missed the rolls royce of pdas TwistedLucidity
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> just insanely good
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> There's two things that drive me up the wall about modern phones
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> 1) The pre-loaded junk one can't delete (e.g. Facebook, Twitter etc)
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> 2) The lack of decent security controls
[12:54] <cocoa117> in man page, what is different between man 1 and man 1p? i know p stardard for POSIX, but why the difference?
[12:55] <TwistedLucidity> "Oh look, Maps wants access to my contacts. Why would it ever need that? [DENY]"
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> battery lives that make butterflies look like old timers was my biggest gripe
[12:56] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, there's a thrid.
[12:56] <TwistedLucidity> 3) Showing a map with a marker for a contact's address, but not showing the flippin' address itself!
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> updates that felt like downgrades were another
[12:57] <TwistedLucidity> Seriously. How hard is it? Show the address as text, have a "Show on map" buttong. Done. Everyone happy. But no. No idea if Google or HTC are to blame for that one.
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> googles contacts apps was always weird, always felt it was doing more work for google than me
[13:00] <TwistedLucidity> Don't you feel comforted by the warm embrace of the Google-beast? Keeping you safe. Tightening. Stopping you breathing...
[13:00]  * TwistedLucidity wonders how many projects will go AWOL when Google Code closes
[13:02] <ali1234> literally none that anyone cares about
[13:02] <ali1234> google code is full of dead projects
[13:02] <ali1234> and things that were migrated to git years ago
[13:03] <TwistedLucidity> Probably explains why it's gettig killed off then. Still a few on there I use, but minor.
[13:06] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: you'll probably find they move their code to github too
[13:06] <BaNaer_Liffan> Hi, am trying to get a CMOS imaging device running in Utopic 14.10.  Ubuntu sees the camera, however Cheese (and other programs) cannot see the camera driver. Could someone help please?
[13:08] <popey> BaNaer_Liffan: does it show up in /dev as /dev/video0 or /dev/video1 or similar?
[13:08] <popey> BaNaer_Liffan: also, how is it connected? usb?
[13:10] <ali1234> i do find it mildly amusing to see github stomping all over launchpad. how does it feel to have the thing you love considered old, slow and difficult to use by a bunch of annoying kids?
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> congratulations ali1234 welcome to the old fogeys club we have lawns you know :-)
[13:15] <MooDoo> \o/ yay old fogies
[13:16]  * zmoylan-pi waves walking stick in the air
[13:17] <TwistedLucidity> Hey you grampas, get off my lawn!
[13:18]  * popey looks forward to git support in launchpad :)
[13:18] <MooDoo> lol if i could pick this zimmer up, i'd clout you with it
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> you need to add blades at ankle level to the zimmer MooDoo
[13:18] <TwistedLucidity> Old folks are dangerous enough already! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-31928879
[13:26] <Myrtti> wow. I just got the Nexus 9 cover. Magnets, how do they work??????
[13:49] <davmor2> Myrtti: will possibly put the device to sleep when closed or something made like that :)
[13:50] <Myrtti> yeah it did, but also it's the method of how the thing actually sticks on it
[13:53] <davmor2> Myrtti: nice
[13:53] <davmor2> Myrtti: I guess it is to get rid of the ugly corner clamps
[13:54] <Myrtti> I would have rather had that to be honest
[13:54] <Myrtti> edges and corners are where I tend to bang the tablet on
[15:24] <zertyui> hi
[15:24] <zertyui> there
[15:25] <zertyui> my / continue 0.1% per day how to identify the process writting permanentaly on the system ?
[15:28] <popey> wat?
[15:29] <popey> oh, i see, probably something in /var/log
[15:29] <foobarry> find . -mtime 1 -ls
[15:29] <foobarry> from a directory you want to search in
[15:30] <foobarry> 0.1% of a terabyte, kb, or petabyte?
[15:31] <zertyui> sorry 1%
[15:31] <zertyui> gigabyte
[15:35] <foobarry> so 1MB a day
[15:36] <foobarry> if it's exposed to the internet then it could be logs from apache, or /var/log/secure
[15:36] <foobarry> after a week they might get rotated by logrotate
[15:36] <foobarry> in not, there would be a large file on your system thats relatively easy to find
[15:37] <foobarry> otherwise you need to check for files modified today and inspect each one
[15:37] <foobarry> or run lsof on a quiet system to see which files are in use
[15:40] <zertyui> thx
[15:40] <zertyui> could you explain find . -mtime 1 -ls ?
[15:40] <zertyui> what is this command ?
[15:41] <foobarry> find - search for files in a directory hierarchy
[15:41] <foobarry> -mtime n File's  data  was  last modified n*24 hours ago.
[15:41] <foobarry> -ls  list current file in ls -dils format on standard output.
[15:42] <foobarry> find . = find files in this directory and below. could also use find / or find /var/log/
[15:43] <zertyui> mtime 1 ?
[15:44] <foobarry> actually mtime -1 is better, as it shows files modified in less than 1 day
[15:48] <zertyui> ok berfect
[15:51] <zertyui> perfect thanks
[16:10] <davmor2> zertyui: do you use a webbrowser/terminal/any apps  if so the data they write alone will cover your 1% with ease :)
[16:10] <davmor2> zertyui: don't forget that / is everything on your system
[16:14] <foobarry> "Windows RT is dead, according to a Microsoft slide shown on WinBeta.org today. It will not receive updates. It has no upgrade path, although it may get a few consolation features."
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> was it ever alive?
[16:18] <foobarry> some people bought those ipad things
[16:19] <foobarry> which is what they kept getting called even though MS spent big bucks on ensuring they were used in basketball games or something
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> 2 billion dollars spent i think and the tv hosts kept calling them ipads and/or using them as supports for their actual ipads :-)
[16:46] <mapps> yay
[16:46] <mapps> got darts tickets
[16:46] <mapps> £20!
[16:47] <awilkins> WinRT was a daft play
[16:47] <awilkins> They copied too much from Apple - including the walled garden
[16:47] <awilkins> At least Windows are a welcoming platform, even if they aren't open
[16:47] <mapps> only 322 seats
[16:47] <mapps> and 15 left
[16:47] <mapps> ;D
[16:48] <mapps> quite small really
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> windows rt could have been excellent.  if it had of been easy to install linux on them they would have sold.
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> it would have attracted developers who would have played with them and maybe gotten more apps
[16:49] <awilkins> Yeah, but RT was the OS
[16:50] <awilkins> And the UEFI / Secure Boot thing was part of the strategy
[16:50] <awilkins> Unlike Google who know enough to leave a DIP switch somewhere to turn it off
[18:19] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cleaner-Keyboards-Mobile-Phones-Computers/dp/B00C6LS64I/
[18:19] <daftykins> this looks novel, it's like silly putty for your keyboard/remotes/etc
[21:10] <diddledan> ebenink
[21:11] <shauno> already?
[21:16] <shauno> http://i.imgur.com/YGqzUC8.jpg  I think the less said about this chap, the better.  my first ever cruise passenger.  and he wants to visit a playground.
[21:16] <diddledan> lol
[21:17] <diddledan> shauno: he's sick
[21:18] <foobarry> cruise passengers always are
[21:18] <foobarry> floating disease ships
[21:27] <diddledan> interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31953800
[21:32] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31942639
[21:32] <diddledan> googley tax
[21:33] <diddledan> apparently we're not allowed to have fun in a double irish sandwich anymore.
[21:35] <diddledan> oh dear, the £1 coin is not gonna be circular anymore
[21:35] <diddledan> it's gonna be 12-sided
[21:35] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31938400
[21:37] <directhex> a billion new coin slots will be manufactured
[21:38] <diddledan> won't we have problems with some slots taking it and other slots refusing?
[21:38] <directhex> yes
[21:38] <directhex> for about 20 years
[21:38] <diddledan> "stop putting that in my slot!"
[22:05] <daftykins> wow, Ori and the Blind Forest gets insanely hard
[22:09] <daftykins> http://1drv.ms/1GqmcXI
[22:10] <daftykins> atrocious quality video, but eh
[22:10] <daftykins> the bit that's tough isn't even this :|