[04:39] <barrydk> More almal
[04:47] <Kilos> hi barrydk  captine  and others
[05:35] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[05:35] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[05:55]  * Kilos waves to inetpro
[06:42] <Padroni> Morning
[06:42] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[06:42] <Jacques_Stry> Hey Padroni
[06:42] <Padroni> hey Jacques_Stry
[06:42] <Padroni> Good article - thanx
[06:43] <Padroni> I was writing a massive article on RFI
[06:43] <Padroni> and how vulnerabilities in Timthumb is being used to import shell scripts hidden in images into CMS systems 
[06:44] <Padroni> or rather, Timthumb's inability to properly sanitize domain names is being exploited
[06:44] <Padroni> and then I got a time-out and lost the whole article
[06:45] <Padroni> And it is for moments like that, that my wife do not allow me to own a firearm.
[06:45] <Kilos> eish
[06:45] <Jacques_Stry> RFI?
[06:45] <Padroni> Remote File Inclusion
[06:45] <Padroni> method of hacking a site by importing a shell-script via Timthumb
[06:45] <Kilos> start again
[06:45] <Padroni> they fool the server into thinking that you are using an image
[06:45] <Padroni> while the image is fake
[06:45] <Kilos> no rest for the wicked
[06:46] <Padroni> or rather
[06:46] <Padroni> the image contains a shell-script hidden in the EXIF 'make' and 'model' tags
[06:46] <Padroni> complicated thing
[06:46] <Padroni> hence the research that went into it
[06:47] <Padroni> the article wasn't meant for our site though
[06:47] <Padroni> our site is not about hacking
[06:47] <Padroni> it was to be a training thing for the guys at work
[06:48] <Jacques_Stry> Sounds like a pretty interesting article - if you do manage to write it send me a link plz ;)
[06:48] <Padroni> ok
[06:50] <Jacques_Stry> That is the reason why I write long articles on drive and then copy paste it at the end.
[06:51] <Padroni> yeah, I should have done the same
[06:51] <Padroni> in future, I will
[06:52] <Jacques_Stry> But do it on google drive - that way even if eskom kicks you in the nuts you still have a copy
[06:52] <Padroni> I kinda don't trust Google 
[06:52] <Padroni> but will keep it in mind
[07:04] <Padroni> say something, damnit
[07:05] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:06] <Padroni> hi
[07:07] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[07:08] <Kilos> haha google not my friend either
[07:09] <Kilos> but usefull at times
[07:38] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[07:43] <Squirm> morning
[07:44] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[07:57] <Padroni> hi Squirm
[07:57] <Padroni> hi Xethron
[07:57] <Squirm> Hey Padroni
[07:58] <Squirm> Padroni: do you do much pen-testing?
[07:58] <Padroni> much less than I want to 
[07:58] <Padroni> but I can
[07:58] <Padroni> why?
[07:58] <Padroni> you got a URL for me?
[07:58] <Squirm> Just cuirous, looked at doing that for a while
[07:58] <Squirm> No :P
[07:59] <Padroni> we pentested a site the other day
[07:59] <Padroni> or rather
[07:59] <Squirm> Maybe when we figure out our auto-scaling :D
[07:59] <Padroni> a guy at work asked me to see if I can get into the admin section 
[07:59] <Padroni> got in by disabling the meta-refresh tag on his admin screen
[07:59] <Padroni> the security was THAT bad...
[07:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:00] <Padroni> no session-id, no nothing
[08:00] <Padroni> dude was selling timeshare he did not own
[08:00] <Padroni> or was not his to sell
[08:00] <Padroni> on a system as weak as that
[08:00] <Padroni> not sure how he is still in business
[08:01] <Squirm> heh
[08:02] <Squirm> Should have booked yourself some timeshare while you were there ;)
[08:02] <Squirm> As payment :D
[08:02] <Squirm> For your work and not turning him in
[08:02] <Kilos> lol
[08:07] <Padroni> I only take leave once a year
[08:07] <Padroni> then I head into the Kalahari for two weeks
[08:07] <Padroni> no 3g
[08:07] <Padroni> no dsl
[08:07] <Kilos> all year
[08:08] <Padroni> told my boss they should get our support guys more leave
[08:08] <Padroni> the more they are away from work
[08:08] <Padroni> hoe minder kak kan hulle aanjaag
[08:08] <Padroni> he said no
[08:08] <Squirm> that sucks
[08:12] <Squirm> I get a whole 17 days I think
[08:14] <Kilos> hi pieter_devel  nice to see you back
[08:14] <Padroni> I get 21
[08:14] <pieter_devel> Hi again :)
[08:19] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez  
[08:20] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[08:20] <arnaudmez> what new here
[08:20] <arnaudmez> i've broken nothing trust me :D
[08:20] <Kilos> some new peeps otherwise just another day
[08:20] <Kilos> rofl
[08:21] <Jacques_Stry> Did you guys get that lappie sorted yesterday?
[08:21] <Padroni> I think it is time for some Rammstein
[08:22] <Kilos> kinda Jacques_Stry  its just showning the grub boot menu without auto login in in 10 secs
[08:22] <Kilos> but no more hanging it seems
[08:23] <Jacques_Stry> Ouch... well fixable now so progress
[08:23] <Kilos> yeah 
[08:24] <Kilos> he likes to hide  boot splash and messed up somewhere in /etc/default/grub i think
[08:24] <Squirm> Padroni: Ramnstein? Interesting taste, I haven't listened to them in a long time. My tastes have shifted slightly
[08:24] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[08:25] <Padroni> I bought the Made in Germany cd Dec
[08:25] <Padroni> been listening to it eversince
[08:25] <Squirm> Wow
[08:25] <Padroni> the rest of my family hates it
[08:25] <Squirm> I used to like a few of their songs
[08:25] <Squirm> Feir Feir
[08:25] <Squirm> Du Hast
[08:25] <Squirm> Uh... can't remember the other
[08:26] <Padroni> The Made in Germany cd is like their 'Best of'
[08:26] <Padroni> get it
[08:26] <Padroni> some good stuff on there
[08:26] <Padroni> Mutter
[08:26] <Padroni> Sonne
[08:26] <Squirm> Mutter, that was it
[08:26] <Padroni> Rosenrot
[08:26] <Padroni> Links 2 3 4
[08:26] <Squirm> and that
[08:26] <Squirm> Heh
[08:26] <Squirm> But yeah, tastes have shifted :P
[08:26] <Padroni> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIBeYoP9Wi0
[08:27] <Padroni> I love that damn song
[08:29] <Squirm> Padroni: I've shifted towards acoustic rock, indie, indie folk
[08:29] <Squirm> Very acoustic :P
[08:29] <Squirm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZvHZgii7XI
[08:29] <Padroni> my music taste varies so much
[08:29] <Padroni> I listen to Nina Simone to Rammstein
[08:30] <Padroni> that guy looks like he gets his ass kicked a lot
[08:30] <Padroni> just for combing his hair like that...
[08:33] <Padroni> greatest South African band ever:
[08:33] <Padroni> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wolZPKBcag4
[08:45] <Squirm> Padroni: not the biggest fan, but almost went to watch them the other day in Cpt, when they released their beer
[08:45] <Squirm> which I head was terrible :P
[09:01] <Padroni> I haven't tasted it
[09:01] <Padroni> I am a beer snob
[09:01] <Padroni> but will try it at some point
[09:01] <Padroni> nice name though: Dagdronk
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:18] <Kilos> hi Neo31  
[09:20] <Neo31> hi Kilos 
[09:27] <arnaudmez> lol
[09:28] <Kilos> what?
[09:29] <arnaudmez> germanica
[09:42] <arnaudmez> what's next on Ubuntu world
[09:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:43] <Kilos> we are waiting for you to get going there arnaudmez  
[09:43] <Kilos> where is your loco
[09:44] <arnaudmez> hein !!!!
[09:45] <Kilos> come on man get things going there
[09:45] <arnaudmez> My Loco is coming Bro. Need to make up my mind first 
[09:45] <Kilos> how are you linux classes going
[09:45] <Kilos> forget your mind man , get the loco going
[09:45] <arnaudmez> Sorry but being into very and hard time these past months 
[09:45] <Kilos> aw sorry to hear that
[09:46] <arnaudmez> All projects have been on hold for months now, as I'm doing everything with money out of my pocket 
[09:46] <arnaudmez> banks are not kind here if u see what iI mean
[09:46] <Kilos> ouch
[09:46] <Kilos> yeah
[09:47] <Kilos> you can do stuff from home or even in a garage or shed somewhere as long as there is an internet connection and power
[09:47] <arnaudmez> I passed accros bankrupty many times
[09:47] <Kilos> eish
[10:07] <Padroni> hi magellanic
[10:07] <magellanic> heya
[10:10] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[10:11] <magellanic> greets
[10:17] <arnaudmez> hi magellanic
[10:18] <magellanic> hi hi
[10:26] <Kilos> hi jrgns  
[10:26] <jrgns> hey Kilos
[10:27] <arnaudmez> did one here tried to open .pub files under *ubuntu, *linux, *openoffice.org, *libreoffice
[10:28] <pieter2627> Isnt scribus (or something) able to open them?
[10:29] <Kilos> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=55047
[10:29] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/3432/how-can-i-view-a-microsoft-publisher-pub-file
[10:30] <Jacques_Stry> JINX exchange took a beating today - microsoft update?
[10:39] <magellanic> beating?
[10:39] <Jacques_Stry> Load was higher than normal
[10:39] <Jacques_Stry> http://stats.jinx.net.za/showtotal.php
[10:40] <magellanic> ah :)
[10:40] <magellanic> interesting to see how it grew, on the last graph
[10:41] <Jacques_Stry> Week 11 I can understand - I'OS update with microsoft update and xbox update
[10:41] <Jacques_Stry> yea last graph is pretty scary
[10:43] <Jacques_Stry> We are almost doubling our Internet usage each year
[10:43] <magellanic> nice
[10:44] <magellanic> what is it capable of, seeing the constant 8Gbps and peak of 16Gbps on the first graph
[10:44] <Jacques_Stry> Much more!
[10:47] <Jacques_Stry> if you look at http://stats.jinx.net.za/ you will see a lot of ISP's have 10gb's ports so total traffic can go a lot higher
[10:48] <magellanic> ah okay
[10:49] <Jacques_Stry> But unfortunately this is only local so would be awesome if we could have seen cumulative totals of Int. traffic.
[10:50] <Jacques_Stry> The Cape Town Exchange sees a lot less traffic. http://stats.cinx.net.za/showtotal.php
[10:50] <magellanic> so pretty much everyone peers now?
[10:51] <magellanic> I remember mweb were one of the first hey
[10:51] <Jacques_Stry> Yea I remember too :) Telkom was a hard one to get on the list.
[10:53] <magellanic> can imagine
[10:53] <magellanic> but it did so well, getting the likes of vodacom/mtn on too
[10:53] <magellanic> good job
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> But it's ridiculously expensive to get a port: R40k membership and + R5k for a 1gb port
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> and that's monthly
[11:06] <magellanic> wow, had no idea
[11:06] <Kilos> eina
[11:06] <magellanic> why though, wasn't it about free and open peering?
[11:07] <Jacques_Stry> Haha well the bandwidth is still a lot cheaper then running it through int
[11:08] <Jacques_Stry> Not to mention latency's
[11:12] <Jacques_Stry> Afrihost has been erratic today...
[11:13] <Jacques_Stry> Getting ping spikes every now and then
[11:16] <Jacques_Stry> But Afrihost says they are making changes to the QOS system that should improve everything so hoping that works out
[11:25] <magellanic> do you run something like smokeping?
[11:28] <Jacques_Stry> Running IPFire - has a Ping graph
[11:33] <arnaudmez> Kilos: what are the duties of the person in charge of the LoCo
[11:33] <Kilos> lol
[11:33] <Kilos> just to keep things running smoothly
[11:34] <Kilos> you have to try to keep everyone happy and to feel welcome in your community
[11:34] <Kilos> we used to have a leader but we have all become such good friends that we dont elect a leader anymore
[11:35] <Kilos> the leader is the primary contact person so you have to read official mails and so on
[11:36] <magellanic> sounds like too much work
[11:37] <Kilos> the whole secret imo is keeping everyone happy to be part of the group
[11:37] <Kilos> ai! magellanic  i dont think so actually
[11:38] <Kilos> with human nature the way it is you have to be a diplomat mostly
[11:38] <Kilos> Maaz  diplomat
[11:38] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[11:38] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[11:38] <magellanic> lol
[12:18] <kulelu88> dis warm hier
[12:19] <Kilos> dag se kulelu88  
[12:19] <Kilos> jy in kaapstad ne
[12:19] <Kilos> hier is dit 28°c
[12:22] <kulelu88> nee. im in GP oom
[12:22] <kulelu88> kaap is shit
[12:22] <Kilos> lol
[12:23] <Kilos> jhb or pta
[12:23] <Kilos> temps differ often tween them 2 places
[12:25] <Kilos> with some luck this area will have some storms later and tomorrow
[12:36] <kulelu88> the sun is blistering here oom. you sure it will storm?
[12:37] <kulelu88> Plus I'm getting decent 20MB internet now :D
[13:01] <inetpro> PLEASE NOTE: Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) reaches End of Life on 30 April 2015
[13:01] <inetpro> time to upgrade is now!
[13:04] <kulelu88> when does 12.04 reach EOL?
[13:05] <Jacques_StrY> Well all my servers are on 14.04 so I'm good thankfully
[13:07] <Jacques_StrY> 12.04 - April 2017
[13:48] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:17] <inetpro> kulelu88: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[14:19] <Kilos> kulelu88  who knows when
[14:20] <Kilos> Maaz  forecast pretoria
[14:20] <Maaz> Kilos: Wednesday: Thunderstorm. High: 28° C., Wednesday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 17° C., Thursday: Thunderstorm. High: 26° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 16° C., Friday: Clear. High: 29° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 17° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 29° C., Saturday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 17° C., Sunday: Chance of a
[14:20] <Maaz> Thunderstorm. High: 29° C., Sunday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 17° C., Monday: Partly Clo…
[14:39] <kulelu88> sheeet ants everywhere
[14:40] <Kilos> ya rain coming
[14:40] <Kilos> from the north of us clouds are building
[15:07] <Kilos> thundering here now
[15:13] <kulelu88> I see it also
[15:14] <kulelu88> clouds move fast
[15:14] <Kilos> lol
[15:25] <Kilos> we just had 10 drops
[15:26] <kulelu88> slow day today
[15:28] <Kilos> so how do i get to view and fetch files from an android tablet over bluetooth
[15:28] <Kilos> they are paired
[15:29] <kulelu88> open the android file system
[15:29] <kulelu88> or it should have opened
[15:29] <kulelu88> mounted device
[15:29] <Kilos> do i have to have any android stuff installed here?
[15:30] <Kilos> i only see a send file option
[15:30] <kulelu88> not that I know of. it will just mount the device and you will see everything
[15:30] <Kilos> and can drag/drop files to it 
[15:43] <Mopkop> Hello!
[15:43] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  
[15:53] <kulelu88> flipping ants
[15:54] <Kilos> lol
[15:54] <Kilos> dyant
[16:04] <Kilos> wow toti business district flooded from the rain 
[16:18] <Kilos> sjoe inetpro  dit storm by jou ne
[16:18] <Kilos> we havent even had 1/2mm yet
[16:19] <Kilos> seems like its gone past to try wash jhb clean
[16:25] <kulelu88> its pouring crazy here
[16:25] <Kilos> wow
[16:28] <kulelu88> yikes
[16:28] <kulelu88> ants and rain
[16:33] <Kilos> when there is lots of rain coming ants are always looking for better shelter
[16:34] <Kilos> it one of natures ways of warning you whats coming
[16:36] <kulelu88> i think this ant issue is cause the houses foundation is messed up.
[16:36] <Kilos> get dyant and use all over. ants undermine everything
[16:36] <Kilos> ai!
[16:41] <Squirm> good afternoon
[16:41] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[16:41] <Mopkop> Hello Squirm!
[16:41] <Squirm> Hey Kilos, Mopkop
[16:42] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  why you so quiet lately
[16:42] <Tonberry> hi
[16:43] <Tonberry> am I usually noisy?
[16:43] <Kilos> you used to chat remember
[16:43] <Kilos> and couldnt make meetings because of beer evenings
[16:44] <Kilos> so we moved our meeting dates and you still missing
[16:44] <Mopkop> Lol
[16:49] <Kilos> Mopkop  pvt
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:31] <Kilos> dit voel beter
[17:46] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[17:46]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:50] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz  dankie
[17:50] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[18:02] <Mopkop> Maaz: Nikola
[18:02] <Maaz> http://bin.snyman.info/npcn4
[18:02] <Mopkop> Dankie Maaz!
[18:05] <Kilos> ohi Padroni  
[18:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:06] <Kilos> ons upon a time we had a pro
[18:07] <Kilos> now hes gone i dunno where to go
[18:09] <Kilos> once
[18:33] <inetpro> good evening
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: ja ons het lekker reen gehad
[18:33] <Kilos> mooi
[18:33] <Kilos> one het 1mm 
[18:33] <Kilos> hopelik nog meer later
[18:34] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  
[18:34] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos ... all
[18:34] <inetpro> weet nie hoeveel nie, vanaf 11mm het my reenmeter 'n gat in
[18:34]  * inetpro sal enige donasies verwelkom
[18:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:35] <Kilos> maak soos ekke man
[18:35] <inetpro> uh?
[18:36] <Kilos> ons ene het n stuk bo uitgebreek maar duct tape seel die stukkies mooi
[18:36] <inetpro> sjoe, is seker 'n idee
[18:37] <inetpro> net jammer hy't lelik gekraak van bo tot onder by 11mm
[18:37] <Kilos> seel met enige goeie plastiese tape
[18:37] <inetpro> sal daaroor gaan slaap
[18:37] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <magespawn> good evening
[18:37] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[18:38] <magespawn> ty 
[18:38] <inetpro> oh and wb tumbleweed as well
[18:38] <magespawn> early bedtime?
[18:38] <inetpro> enigiemand van slaap gepraat? 
[18:38] <Kilos> shhh
[18:38] <inetpro> wassieekkie
[18:39] <Kilos> huh?
[18:39] <Kilos> daar te baie werk man
[18:39] <magespawn> :20:37:46:. < inetpro> sal daaroor gaan slaap
[18:40] <inetpro> oi magespawn!
[18:40] <Kilos> nee nee goosie jy was te min hier vandag
[18:40] <inetpro> moenie my so buite konteks gaan aanhaal nie man
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> werk is baie en tyd is min
[18:40] <magespawn> hah
[18:40] <inetpro> lol
[18:41] <Mopkop> Die oes is groot, maar die arbeiders is min :)
[18:41] <Kilos> lol
[18:42] <inetpro> ai!
[18:42] <magespawn> so it has always been, and will always be
[18:43] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[18:43] <Kilos> no its worse nowadays
[18:43] <magespawn> we are trying to do more in the same amount of time
[18:43] <Kilos> yeah
[18:44] <magespawn> the time is fixed
[18:44] <Kilos> i maybe even need stronger testimonials as well
[18:44] <magespawn> can you cat .pdf?
[18:45] <Kilos> who me?
[18:45] <magespawn> anyone
[18:45] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[18:45] <Kilos> lemme try magespawn  
[18:46] <nlsthzn> if you can you will get ascii I am sure :p
[18:46] <nlsthzn> no readable text
[18:46] <Kilos> cat: .pdf: No such file or directory
[18:46] <magespawn> there is away to combine pdf, iwas just wondering if cat can do it too
[18:47] <Kilos> oh
[18:47] <Kilos> didnt you look at man cat
[18:47] <Kilos> was waiting for pro to say that
[18:48] <magespawn> man cat
[18:48] <magespawn> lol
[18:48] <magespawn> ai
[18:48] <Kilos> i hate those man pages
[18:49] <Kilos> but if i dont get that then i get rtfs or rtfm
[18:49] <Kilos> with caps
[18:50] <magespawn> you are not the only one who gets that
[18:50] <magespawn> i think it at least three times a day
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <inetpro> magespawn: you use kde?
[18:56] <magespawn> not at the moment inetpro, xfce on both machines
[18:56] <inetpro> ahh
[18:58] <magespawn> kde was running very nicely on the netbook, but the display kept throwing a wobbly when i turned on the desktop cube and such
[18:58] <inetpro> magespawn: would have suggested you install okteta, but I guess you should rather try hexedit
[18:58] <magespawn> hexedit?
[18:58]  * magespawn goes to look
[18:59] <inetpro> view the pdf file with a hex editor and you'll understand why you can't just cat it
[18:59] <Kilos> just a question
[19:00] <Kilos> what about pdf2txt
[19:00] <Kilos> something like that rinds a bell
[19:00] <Kilos> rings
[19:00] <Mopkop> pdf is actually a scripting language.
[19:00] <Mopkop> A compiled scripting language and does not contain text.
[19:01] <inetpro> pdf is good for printing
[19:01] <Kilos> http://www.pdf2txt.com/
[19:01] <Mopkop> Kilos: Good idea!
[19:01] <Kilos> but that is bypassing what magespawn  wants to do
[19:01] <inetpro> pdf is not meant to be converted to text or any other format
[19:02] <inetpro> it's a published format for printing
[19:02] <Kilos> ya but i used that for some reason long ago 
[19:02] <Kilos> and it rang a bell
[19:02] <inetpro> always try to get the original
[19:03] <Mopkop> Good if you want to copy-paste from a pdf, or read a pdf in the terminal.
[19:03] <Kilos> what was magespawn  trying to do
[19:03] <Mopkop> Which branch of ubuntu-africa is currently used on http://ubuntu-africa.snyman.info/?
[19:04] <Kilos> trunk is the new one
[19:04] <Kilos> oh 
[19:04] <Kilos> inetpro  explain plse
[19:05] <inetpro> hang on
[19:05]  * inetpro still finding my feet here
[19:05] <magespawn> if you have mutiple .pdf to combine them into one so that you can then send one file
[19:05] <inetpro> landed home late
[19:05] <Kilos> ah
[19:06] <Mopkop> I'm sure there is some program that can do that.
[19:06] <Kilos> just put them all in one folder and send the folder?
[19:06] <inetpro> Mopkop: eish!
[19:07] <inetpro> Mopkop: it is not lp:ubuntu-africa
[19:07] <inetpro> superfly: fix it man!
[19:08] <inetpro> magespawn: http://askubuntu.com/questions/52040/is-there-a-better-pdf-to-text-converter-than-pdftotext
[19:11] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:12] <inetpro> he sleeps too early these days
[19:12] <Kilos> he is busy inetpro  not sleeping
[19:12] <inetpro> no man... can't be busy if he doesn't work on our stuffs
[19:13] <inetpro> our stuffs is not urgent, it's important as well
[19:13] <magespawn> i have used pdfunite before
[19:13] <inetpro> superfly: come do some work for a change 
[19:14] <Kilos> lol
[19:14] <Kilos> he has man
[19:14] <inetpro> :-)
[19:14] <inetpro> Mopkop: you believe him?
[19:14] <Kilos> shame my poor fly
[19:15] <Kilos> he just has to cut some extra things after debconf is over
[19:15] <Kilos> but committed already
[19:15] <inetpro> debconf is only next year
[19:15] <Kilos> they meet lots
[19:16] <Mopkop> I have the same problem, always too busy to do the stuff I'm supposed to do, but I havetime to read a book on the clothing of Brazilian slaves in the early 19th century :(
[19:16] <inetpro> ai!
[19:16] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <Kilos> no fly does work for other things
[19:16] <Kilos> he is too deep into ubuntu, debian and app maintaining
[19:17] <superfly> come do work?!
[19:17] <Mopkop> That reminds me... Have an assignment due... two days ago :(
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: we don't accept your excuses
[19:17] <superfly> you think I sit around at home doing nothing?
[19:17] <magespawn> Mopkop: now that is something i would not even have thought to read about
[19:17] <inetpro> superfly: explain your absense please!
[19:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:17] <superfly> inetpro: work, DebConf, family, real life.
[19:18] <superfly> Last night at 10:30 I was dealing with one of our clients.
[19:18] <magespawn> absence ?
[19:18] <Kilos> ya
[19:18] <superfly> Tonight I'm busy evaluating my colleagues for their upcoming biannual reviews.
[19:18] <inetpro> superfly: that's not good enough
[19:18] <Kilos> when my fly says have patience its for a reason
[19:18]  * superfly gives inetpro a kick
[19:18] <inetpro> eish!
[19:19] <magespawn> yoh yoh yoh yoh
[19:19] <Kilos> hee hee pro very cheeky tonight
[19:19]  * magespawn gets out of the way
[19:19]  * superfly ignores inetpro and goes back to real work
[19:19] <Kilos> inetpro  passop he has a sjambok too hey
[19:19] <inetpro> ai!
[19:20]  * inetpro gets the message
[19:20] <inetpro> ok, ok oom vlieg 
[19:20] <Kilos> lol
[19:20] <inetpro> ek verstaan
[19:21] <Kilos> inetpro  why did you give me this link?
[19:22] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[19:23] <inetpro> superfly: sorry to bug you, but when you have time please clear the lp:ubuntu-africa project and submit your code there instead
[19:23] <Kilos> who votes peesp to a board
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: I gave you that?
[19:23] <inetpro> when?
[19:23] <Kilos> 2 days ago
[19:24] <superfly> inetpro: you mean like this? https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-africa/+activereviews
[19:24] <Kilos> lol
[19:24] <Kilos> see he has been working pro
[19:24] <Kilos> apologise now
[19:25] <inetpro> superfly: uh, but the base is broken, not?
[19:26] <inetpro> with twit code
[19:27] <inetpro> oh, it says unmerged code
[19:27] <superfly> nope, removed it all
[19:27] <superfly> I don't know what Kilos's merges and branches are, but I'm not merging them in
[19:27] <inetpro> superfly: I apologise unconditionally
[19:27] <superfly> inetpro: you didn't even see my awesome Ubuntu Africa theme
[19:27] <inetpro> superfly: I noticed
[19:28] <inetpro> that's why I wanted to use that as a base man
[19:28] <Kilos> he did but dunno if he refreshed ove rand over
[19:28] <inetpro> superfly: looking goo
[19:28] <Kilos> gonna be the bestest site
[19:28] <superfly> Right, no more chatting, I'm "logging out" of IRC
[19:29] <inetpro> ai!
[19:30] <inetpro> goo?
[19:30] <Kilos> lol
[19:30] <inetpro> s/goo/good/
[19:31] <magespawn> can you use 'join' on .csv files created under another os?
[19:31] <inetpro> magespawn: join?
[19:31] <magespawn> going to love this
[19:31] <magespawn> man join
[19:31] <inetpro> magespawn: WAYTTD?
[19:33] <inetpro> magespawn: a CSV is a CSV is not a CSV
[19:33] <inetpro> oops
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:33]  * inetpro said that?
[19:34] <Kilos> s6rydom in full flight again tonight
[19:34] <Kilos> strydom
[19:34] <magespawn> studying for linux + exam, on page and chapter about processing text using filters using linux command line tools
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: no, me surname is something else
[19:35] <Kilos> oh no
[19:35] <Kilos> at times you are goosie strydom
[19:36] <magespawn> i forget the file extension for Comma Seperated Value files, not sure if it is .txt
[19:36]  * inetpro at times comes from a different planet as well
[19:36] <inetpro> magespawn: it's typically always supposed to be a text file
[19:37] <inetpro> extensions don't mean much on linux
[19:38] <Kilos> now i have to stay up till after mignight again
[19:38] <inetpro> magespawn: when you say "created under another os" you probably mean to say on DOS or Windows?
[19:41] <Kilos> windows
[19:41] <magespawn> yes specifically windows, pastel allows you to export to excel which allows you to export to csv, was the specific scenario i was thinking about
[19:42] <Mopkop> magespawn: There was something about how unix handels ASCII which differs from hoe windows handels it, which can mess up the file. I can't remeber what it was, but had problems with ftp and text files once. sending from windows to linux.
[19:42] <inetpro> magespawn: what typically happens if you take those files to Linux, you see a lot of '^M' cahacters
[19:42] <magespawn> you could then join mutiple exports, if the all started with employee numbers so that all that info is in one csv .txt file
[19:43] <inetpro> actually \r characters or carriage control character
[19:44] <inetpro> several ways of handling those
[19:44] <inetpro> one easy method is with tr
[19:44] <inetpro> $ tr -d '\r'  < input.txt > output.txt
[19:44] <inetpro> then 
[19:44] <inetpro> $ cp output.txt input.txt
[19:45] <inetpro> or with sed
[19:45] <inetpro> $ sed -i.bak -e 's/\r//g' input.txt 
[19:45] <inetpro> that ^^ creates a backup file with extension .bak
[19:46] <inetpro> magespawn: see http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/05/delete-windowsdos-carriage-return.html
[19:46] <magespawn> ty inetpro 
[19:46] <inetpro> oh and for CSV, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma-separated_values
[19:47] <Kilos> sjoe google really is your friend
[19:47] <inetpro> Kilos: no, I'm just lazy to explain it all
[19:47] <Kilos> note "yours"
[19:49]  * inetpro used to do lots of dos2unix conversions
[19:50] <inetpro> things can get very messy very quickly if you don't know these basics
[19:51] <inetpro> and a hex editor comes in handy for that as well
[19:53] <inetpro> or even just 'hexdump -C file'
[19:54] <inetpro> or 'cat -ev file.txt'
[20:02] <inetpro> Mopkop: you can now check out lp:ubuntu-africa again
[20:02]  * inetpro just merged superfly's theme
[20:02] <inetpro> sorry for the delay
[20:03] <Mopkop> let's try...
[20:04] <inetpro> oh and thanks a $(large quantity) for the efforts superfly!
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos: oh and that thing about Membership/Boards
[20:06] <Kilos> we actually love the fly, but dont tell him
[20:06] <Mopkop> Yes, now it works! But it doesn't display images?
[20:06]  * inetpro didn't give you that link in here 
[20:07] <Kilos> you gave it somewhere
[20:07] <inetpro> uh
[20:07] <Kilos> maybe pm or africa or something
[20:07] <inetpro> don't think so
[20:07] <Kilos> sigh
[20:07] <inetpro> at least not in the last 5 or so days
[20:08] <Kilos> ok maybe 6
[20:08] <inetpro> no
[20:08] <Kilos> i forget man i have over 30 tabs open in opera that i dont close so i dont lose them
[20:09] <Kilos> bookmarking is useless if you have to search tons of bookmarks
[20:10] <Kilos> thats why when the site is done and board over i gonna close everything
[20:10] <Kilos> i even have about 3 github links there
[20:11] <Kilos> dont laugh
[20:11] <inetpro> Kilos: what I gace you two days ago is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[20:11] <Kilos> and that stupid wordpress drives me nuts too
[20:11] <inetpro> ai!
[20:12] <inetpro> he has Nikola and he still plays with wordpress?
[20:12] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:12]  * inetpro gives up
[20:12] <inetpro> again
[20:12] <Kilos> man i went to look at something that was already there but couldnt see it till i registered
[20:13] <Kilos> you know where i blog
[20:13] <Kilos> im not starting a new blog
[20:15] <magespawn> better for me to have the links anyway
[20:15] <Kilos> yes inetpro  that too
[20:15] <Kilos> why did you give me that
[20:16] <inetpro> that?
[20:16] <inetpro> Maaz: define that
[20:16] <Maaz> inetpro: That \That\, pron., a., conj., & adv. [AS. [eth]aet, neuter nom. & acc. sing. of the article (originally a demonstrative pronoun). The nom. masc. s[=e], and the nom. fem. se['o] are from a different root. AS. [eth]aet is akin to D. dat, G. das, OHG. daz, Sw. & Dan. det, Icel. [thorn]at (masc. s[=a], fem. s[=o]), Goth. [thorn]ata (masc. sa, fem. s[=o]), Gr.
[20:16] <Maaz> ? (masc. ?, fem. ?), Skr. tat (for tad, masc. sas, fem. s[=a]); cf. L. istud that. [root…
[20:16] <Kilos> sigh
[20:16] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[20:16] <inetpro> Kilos: Agenda for your meeting tomorrow
[20:16] <Kilos> eeeek
[20:18] <inetpro> you even dreaming about becoming part of that, then please plan to be present for the upcoming few years of those meetings 
[20:19] <inetpro> s/of those/at those/
[20:19] <Kilos> not just 2
[20:22] <magespawn> time for me to go to bed, good night all[6~
[20:22] <Kilos> night magespawn  
[20:23] <Kilos> we just all not all[6~
[20:23] <Kilos> haha
[20:26] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[20:26] <Kilos> ?
[20:31] <inetpro> Kilos: why those funny characters?
 time for me to go to bed, good night all[6~\
[20:31] <Kilos> he sent them not me
[20:32] <inetpro> oh, he started it :-)
[20:32] <inetpro> ai!
[20:32] <Kilos> backslash is a typo
[20:32] <Kilos> didnt you see them
[20:32] <Kilos> maybe hes trying to hack me
[20:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:33] <Mopkop> Really should start working on that assignment. Good night all, please pray that I finish this in time.
[20:33]  * inetpro only sees what he wants to see
[20:33] <Kilos> night Mopkop  ty
[20:33] <Kilos> go for it lad
[20:33] <Kilos> sorry for using up your time
[20:34] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:34] <Mopkop> No no, Its my constant procrastination.
[20:34] <Kilos> nono
[20:34] <Kilos> good luck laddy
[20:34] <inetpro> yes, yes
[20:35] <Kilos> hehe
[20:35] <Kilos> these young okes like leaving things till the last minute
[20:35] <inetpro> last minute?
[20:36] <Kilos> he has most likely had it to do for a week or more
[20:36] <Kilos> most peeps do that at school as well
[20:37] <Kilos> try cram everything in the night before an exam
[20:37] <inetpro> don't tell us his secrets oom
[20:37] <Kilos> he did not me
[20:37] <Kilos> what is procrastination
[20:37] <Kilos> Maaz  define procrastination
[20:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Procrastination \Pro*cras`ti*na"tion\, n. [L. procrastinatio: cf. F. procrastination.] The act or habit of procrastinating, or putting off to a future time; delay; dilatoriness. [1913 Webster]  Procrastination is the thief of time.    --Young. [1913 Webster], procrastination n 1: the act of procrastinating; putting off or delaying or defering an action to a
[20:37] <Maaz> later time [syn: {procrastination}, {cunctation}, {shillyshally}] 2: slowness as a conseq…
[20:38]  * inetpro assumed the two of you have been talking in private
[20:38] <Kilos> not about that
[20:38] <Kilos> but he said when he joined here he does it
[20:39] <Kilos> how come you forget and i remember
[20:39]  * inetpro has an excuse
[20:39] <Kilos> weird things happen in my head, i remeber things said here better than i remember anything else
[20:39] <inetpro> but I'll rather go sleep
[20:39] <Kilos> good idea old man
[20:39] <Kilos> ty for the hard work
[20:40] <inetpro> nono
[20:40] <Kilos> ?
[20:40]  * inetpro has been working hard on everything else, only having fun at #ubuntu-za
[20:41] <Kilos> lol
[20:41] <Kilos> because here you are part of the community
[20:41] <inetpro> good night
[20:41] <Kilos> at work you just a nimber on a payslip
[20:42] <Kilos> sleep tight inetpro  
[20:55] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight