[13:03] <popey> Yo!
[13:03] <popey> People will start receiving real phones with Ubuntu installed this week (some already have).
[13:03] <popey> Are we still pushing users to #ubuntu-touch? Is that the "best" thing to do?
[13:06] <k1l_> imho yes
[13:07] <k1l_> since its different from the "regular" desktop usage.
[13:08] <popey> do we push people with apache problems to #ubuntu-server?
[13:08] <popey> or deal with them in #ubuntu until they get too complex, and then throw them to -server?
[13:08] <k1l_> if no one knows the answer: yes
[13:09] <k1l_> "you could ask in -server since that is more spcific channel for that tasks"
[13:09] <k1l_> i mean just think of the scenario the other way: a user with touch questions joins #ubuntu and doesnt get answers since no other got a clue about that.
[13:14] <k1l_> or you get the whole touch team to join #u and help to help the touch users there :)
[13:24] <Tm_T> popey: we're getting nearer to the point when leading people away from #ubuntu for touch by default makes no sense
[13:24] <Tm_T> but I don't think we're there yet
[13:24] <Tm_T> I wouldn't ask anything touch related on #ubuntu
[15:17] <k1l_> uuhimhere is a known troll and Lord_Fark_II uses same ip. both warned, kicked etc several times
[15:18] <ikonia> for gods sake.
[15:19] <popey> uuhimhere was the oddball in #jollamobile and #ubuntu-touch playing people off against eachother last week iirc.
[15:19] <k1l_> yep
[15:19] <k1l_> and not very helpfull in #u at all
[15:19] <ikonia> why do they do this ?
[15:20] <k1l_> schools out and they are bored?
[15:42] <ikonia> popey: as you're close to the phone stuff, where would you like to see the phone support go, seperate from the core OS, or linked in to the OS channel
[15:45] <popey> I really don't know, hence asking :)
[15:45] <ikonia> got an opinion ?
[15:45] <popey> I think it really depends on what support volunteers are willing to do.
[15:46] <popey> It's possible some of them have bought phones.
[15:46] <popey> And one day, someone comes in and says "what's the email client on ubuntu"
[15:46] <ikonia> I'd like to see it split personally if you're interested
[15:46] <popey> to which everyone says "thunderbird" and one lone phone user says "dekko"
[15:46] <genii> ikonia: Maybe I'm just crabby today but corlepuzo_ is starting to really annoy me
[15:46] <ikonia> how is #ubuntu-touch for support/community these days ?
[15:46] <ikonia> genii: and me
[15:46] <popey> the problem with -touch is that it's not just a support channel
[15:47] <popey> it's used for all kinds of discussion
[15:47] <popey> it's kinda #ubuntu and -ot combined
[15:47] <ikonia> popey: #ubuntu-phone forwards to touch right ?
[15:47] <ikonia> could we re-use #ubuntu-phone ?
[15:47] <popey> I'd rather we had something like +1 for support
[15:47] <ikonia> #ubuntu-touch-support ?
[15:47] <popey> i think that would be even more confusing to have -phone and -touch
[15:47] <ikonia> a fair point
[15:53]  * genii ponders #ubuntu-touch+
[15:54] <ikonia> if it's going to be just support, it would be good to have the word support in it to be clear
[15:54] <ikonia> especially as touch has a wide range in it's topic
[15:54] <Flannel> A surge of people seeking support in -touch will work the "support vs social" question out by itself
[15:54] <genii> Right now it's pretty much a catch-all channel
[15:55] <ikonia> I think popey would like it to stay yas not support
[15:55] <ikonia> but general discussion
[15:56] <Flannel> Until channels get large, they don't need to be one or the other.  You can have a support channel that allows discussion, etc.
[15:56] <ikonia> I don't disagree, just depends what people want though
[15:56] <ikonia> win 4
[15:56] <ikonia> oops
[15:57] <Pici> fyi, the new openssl packages are being built and tested, if anyone asks.  ETA is sometime later today for them going out
[15:58] <genii> Someone was asking earlier in -server about the latest OpenSSL CVE fixes
[15:58] <Pici> it was the same person that ended up asking in -hardened and from where I stole my answer from.
[16:18] <k1l_> uuhimhere> hey what is xrdp anywsy  << from pm now. just to make clear he was giving nonsense advices all the time
[16:19] <genii> Heh
[16:47] <bazhang> thats the derping guy
[16:49] <bazhang> aka why_am_i_banned
[16:49] <bazhang> no WAY thats a troll nick
[17:09] <popey> no
[17:09] <popey> that was someone else
[17:09] <popey> that was studio_
[17:09] <k1l_> yes, with the german ip.
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[19:03] <bazhang> obi wan kenobi
[19:14] <bazhang> sticksave on raspbian!
[19:14] <Pici> I'm not sure if what he is asking is on-topic... but #ubuntu isn't busy right now either. *shrug*
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[20:34] <elky> hrm, now i want a banoffie pie