[01:55] <diddledan> microsoft seem to be rather committed to opensourcing lots of .net stuff - earlier this evening msbuild went publicly open source
[01:55] <daftykins> seems all pirates are gonna get win10 too
[01:55] <diddledan> yup that too
[01:55] <diddledan> I was talking to my daddy about win10 - he suggested he's going to wholesale upgrade both his laptops and his desktop
[01:56] <daftykins> hmm
[01:56] <diddledan> he's on win7 on his most current machine - and winxp elsewhere
[01:56] <daftykins> and you allow this XPness to continue :(
[01:57] <diddledan> (I didn't suggest he pirate win7 to be eligible for the 10 upgrade :-p)
[01:57] <diddledan> I wonder how much win7 piracy is gonna occur that wasn't going to between now and 10 releases just because people want the upgrade
[01:58] <daftykins> i've only seen good legacy methods, not EFI
[01:58] <diddledan> aye
[01:58] <daftykins> i wonder if 10'll see 7 and allow a full clean install
[01:58] <diddledan> it should do
[01:59] <diddledan> but you'll need to burn it to disc to do that
[01:59] <daftykins> flash drive ;)
[01:59] <diddledan> the 8 upgrade I got a while back recognised vista partially installed as a legit copy so I didn't need to actually put a license key in there
[02:00] <diddledan> i.e. run the installer up-to the first boot ignoring the request to insert the key, then pop-in the 8 upgrade disc and do a clean 8 install
[02:00] <diddledan> first reboot**
[02:01] <diddledan> basically that just copies the vista files to the disc ready for the native installer to take over on the reboot, which you don't let happen by instead booting into the 8 disc
[02:03] <daftykins> mmhmm
[02:03] <diddledan> vista also recognised this - my vista was an upgrade copy too. only cleverly it recognised it's own files as a preinstalled windows. so boot vista dvd, ignore the key prompt and carry on regardless to let it go through the motions, reboot to the dvd instead of the on-hdd-installer and do the process again this time putting-in the upgrade key.
[02:04] <diddledan> result. one fully licensed upgrade clean-install without requiring a previous version at all
[02:04] <daftykins> :) i think ei.cfg modifications made even that easier
[02:05] <diddledan> probably
[02:05] <daftykins> i like the idea of 10 having no product key entry \o/
[02:05] <diddledan> \o/ indeed
[02:05] <daftykins> be nice if it does lack the need for one
[02:06] <daftykins> mind you it probably will need one, since the upgrade idea is free only for a year
[02:06] <diddledan> aye
[02:06] <daftykins> so there'd need to be some method to restrict that afterwards 0o
[02:08] <daftykins> i wonder if it'll run nicely on my ageing Core 2 Quad
[02:08] <diddledan> have you got 10 installed anyplace yet?
[02:08] <diddledan> it should fly on that
[02:08] <diddledan> core2 is still fairly usable
[02:08] <diddledan> tbh I don't actually think things have moved-on much since the c2
[02:09] <daftykins> nothing bare metal
[02:09] <daftykins> nah, that's why i don't fancy upgrading anytime soon
[02:09] <daftykins> PCI-Express storage is here now, proper NVMe would be good - plus err... USB 3.1
[02:09] <daftykins> may as well hold out until DDR4 is standard as well now, so end of this year
[02:09] <diddledan> I think intel have been more focused on power-saving in their cpus mostly
[02:10] <daftykins> yeah, all the OS design changes to make them idle quicker have been good too
[02:11] <diddledan> yeah, uefi is pretty much my only thinking of definite requirements on a new-build if I ever get around to building one
[02:12] <diddledan> once you've got uefi it opens doors to that nvme you mention
[02:12] <daftykins> games are definitely beginning to suck on my GTX 560 Ti, but i don't game on the PC so i'm alright :>
[02:12] <diddledan> I just don't game
[02:13] <daftykins> wise decision, it's pretty time killing really
[02:13] <diddledan> I'm still intrigued by the potential of super gfx cards to run a pixar-style animation entirely in realtime tho
[02:13] <daftykins> hehe
[02:13] <daftykins> kinda funny we're many generations past realtime Toy Story 1 already
[02:14] <diddledan> aye
[02:14] <daftykins> i wonder where we are now 0o
[02:14] <diddledan> toy story is positively simple by comparisson to some of today's games
[02:14] <daftykins> mmhmm
[02:14] <daftykins> did y'watch my Ori vid? :D
[02:14] <diddledan> aye
[02:14] <diddledan> that's soooo pretty
[02:15] <daftykins> video transcode off the xbone is such dire quality
[02:15] <diddledan> :-(
[02:15] <daftykins> i wonder if the sources can be uploaded using youtube instead 0o
[02:15] <daftykins> or copied off somehow
[02:15] <diddledan> prolly not
[02:16] <daftykins> mmm
[02:16] <daftykins> maybe i'll get some disk space back once the xbox one runs win10 :D
[02:16] <diddledan> \o/
[02:16] <daftykins> ok time to sleep i think
[02:16] <diddledan> nn
[02:16] <daftykins> SSD should show up tomorrow for someone \o/
[02:16] <diddledan> ooh
[02:16] <daftykins> then it's yet more time with my ol' pal clonezilla
[02:17] <diddledan> lol
[02:17] <daftykins> SSD upgrade too, so zip zip :D
[02:17] <diddledan> remember the lessons from your previous attempt
[02:17] <daftykins> thankfully this one'll be smaller to larger... so it'll be easy peasy
[02:17] <diddledan> phew
[02:17] <daftykins> plug both in, boot, clone, boot windows, resize to fill the new drive in diskmgmt.msc, done
[02:18] <diddledan> yeah, simple
[02:18] <diddledan> unless it's gpt
[02:18] <diddledan> gpt stores the partition layout at the end IIRC?
[02:18] <diddledan> tho I would hope clonezilla can cope with that
[02:19] <daftykins> got all win7 legacy Dells in said office
[02:19]  * diddledan googles gpt..
[02:19] <diddledan> or maybe I'll bingle it
[02:19] <daftykins> bungle
[02:19] <daftykins> ;D
[02:21] <diddledan> oh, maybe I'm wrong - looks like it might be "directly-after mbr"
[02:21] <daftykins> huzzah!
[02:21] <diddledan> mbr is on LBA 0 and gpt is on LBA 1
[02:22] <daftykins> ah so that's how you can have both
[02:22] <diddledan> yup
[02:23] <diddledan> when you have both they call the mbr a "protective mbr" because it's designed to mask-out the gpt-only partitions with a fake mbr partition
[02:23] <diddledan> that way an mbr-only os sees the fake partitions and doesn't write there
[02:24] <daftykins> mmm had seen that term crop up
[02:24] <daftykins> in fact, i don't think i did a full wipe when i took off win8 and put on legacy 7 on that cheap Lenovo, so before clonezilla let me backup, it made me delete the GPT evidence
[02:25] <diddledan> :-)
[02:25] <daftykins> usually i get people to just write a tonne of zeroes to nuke a disk and make it appear to have nothing
[02:25] <diddledan> aye
[02:25] <daftykins> well, like just a few MB
[02:26] <diddledan> for ssd's it'ld be nice to have a single command that just tells it to forget everything
[02:26] <diddledan> similar to TRIM only for the entire disc in one-fell-swoop
[02:26] <diddledan> kinda like a factory reboot
[02:27] <daftykins> that's secure erase, sir
[02:27] <daftykins> only it seems quite awkward to get tools to actually do it
[02:27] <daftykins> sometimes you have to do a boot live session, suspend, resume - dance, to 'unlock' the drive
[02:27] <diddledan> and being an ata command it would allow the disc to just forget the cells that it thinks contain data rather than getting it to wipe every damned individual cell
[02:28] <daftykins> i think it just tells the controllers to forget their table map
[02:31] <diddledan> http://boingboing.net/2014/03/25/att-to-netflix-if-you-dont.html
[03:05] <daftykins> interesting comment in a review of a Lenovo ultrabook...
[03:06] <daftykins> if i can find it
[03:07] <daftykins> reviewer compared a Core M broadwell to a quad core with HT i7-860 - the 5W Core M can beat that 95W part
[03:07] <daftykins> though obviously in a laptop it can't stay at that for long
[03:07] <daftykins> pretty neat metric though :D
[03:09] <daftykins> ok sleep this time! \o
[03:31] <mapps> hi folks
[03:31] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[03:31] <diddledan> ello
[03:31] <mapps> ;}
[03:31]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out the banjos and hands out the sheet music...
[03:32] <mapps> cool tv niht
[03:32] <mapps> workaholics sunny in philly arrow;p
[03:32] <mapps> and sucky csi cyber
[03:33] <diddledan> wonder if my downloader grabbed csi cyber yet
[03:33] <mapps> its apparently alrady been renewed for a 2nd season
[03:33] <mapps> LOL
[03:33] <mapps> i thought for sure would be canned
[03:33] <diddledan> heh
[03:34] <zmoylan-pi> generic tv show gets renewed
[03:35] <mapps> it sucks bad imo
[04:53] <mapps> its alwas sunny in philly time
[04:53] <mapps> ;D
[05:00] <mapps> love it ..so funny
[06:33] <diddledan> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/services/mobile/default.stm
[06:33] <diddledan> teehee
[06:33] <diddledan> circa 2003
[06:33] <diddledan> how the web has got a LOT better!
[06:38] <zmoylan-pi> i used to like avantgo on palm pda
[06:38] <zmoylan-pi> before i left to catch bus sync palm and download a few mb of newspapers to read on the bus
[06:39] <diddledan> :-)
[06:39] <zmoylan-pi> i keep thinking of setting up calibre to do something similar but it would never be as elegant
[06:40] <diddledan> I don't like calibre based on it's security stance
[06:40] <zmoylan-pi> which is?
[06:40] <diddledan> i.e. their insistance on installing a suid binary which allows anybody with access to a system to escalate privilege via usage of norty mountpoints that the suid binary allows them to create at will
[06:46] <diddledan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/885027
[06:46] <diddledan> the author of the app marked it as fix released but he hasn't
[06:58] <zmoylan-pi> all of wikipedia in 46gb... tempting... http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Main_Page
[06:59] <diddledan> :-o
[07:05] <diddledan> gee, 7am already
[07:06] <zmoylan-pi> your clock is slow 0705
[07:06] <zmoylan-pi> 0706 now
[07:06] <zmoylan-pi> :-)
[07:29] <diddledan> the banter between the cli guy and the gui guy in this video is fun: http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/MIX/MIX11/FRM09
[07:58] <MooDoo> morning al
[07:58] <MooDoo> all
[07:58] <zmoylan-pi> but not al...
[07:59] <MooDoo> no don't like al ;)
[08:01]  * zmoylan-pi hums you can call me al
[08:08] <diddledan> is it lunch time yet?
[08:24] <diddledan> dum diddy dum dum
[08:24] <diddledan> morning MooDoo
[08:24]  * diddledan waits for visual studio to do something I don't understand
[08:49] <MooDoo> diddledan: are you having fun with visual studio?
[08:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:49] <diddledan> I am indeed :-p
[09:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:03] <directhex> moo
[09:03] <CupofPSB> Morning, morning.
[09:05] <CupofPSB> I've hit a snag with twitter registration.
[09:05] <CupofPSB> Anyone able to help with a mobile ?
[09:05] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:05] <CupofPSB> Hi Knightwise
[09:05] <knightwise> hey CupofPSB
[09:05] <Myrtti> morning
[09:05] <CupofPSB> Could you give me a hand ?
[09:06] <diddledan> morning knightwise , Myrtti
[09:06] <diddledan> directhex: m00
[09:06] <diddledan> allo davmor2 :-p
[09:06] <CupofPSB> I spoke to you last week about the DD onto a stick with distroshare on a chromebook.
[09:06] <diddledan> is that everyone?
[09:07] <CupofPSB> Feeling topper, except for twitter.
[09:07] <directhex> they require a mobile number now to stop burner accounts used for trolling, iirc?
[09:07] <CupofPSB> knightwise: you there ?
[09:08] <diddledan> directhex: really?
[09:08] <CupofPSB> yes, The only trouble is thast I have entered the mobile number. But but, because I'm on the IOMan , the text hasn't come through - & I've not used this number before.
[09:09] <knightwise> CupofPSB: yep
[09:09] <CupofPSB> wondering if someone could tell me the code to put into the box, If i may be so brave as to put your number in , just this once (PM me).
[09:10] <knightwise> CupofPSB: indeed , did you get the vchromebook working ?
[09:10] <CupofPSB> NO, the DD stick wouldn't get past grub.
[09:11] <CupofPSB> but I bought a lenovo , if people remember.
[09:11] <knightwise> CupofPSB: lenovo chromebook ?
[09:12] <CupofPSB> CAn someone help with my twitter please - No, the lenovo X201 was a cheapo I found on erBay , . Found out no so cheap though, apparently.
[09:13] <CupofPSB> *not
[09:13] <CupofPSB> has anyone got a spare sim card they dont use much lying around ?
[09:14] <awilkins> CupofPSB, if you have a landline, texts to that are usually read out in a robot ladyvoice
[09:14] <CupofPSB> i dont have a landline, annoyingly.
[09:14]  * knightwise is in belgium  , don't have a burner sim unfortunately
[09:14] <CupofPSB> everything runs off free data pay as you go.
[09:15] <CupofPSB> ooh poo. I'm really stuck here.
[09:16] <ali1234> CupofPSB: get a free sim from three.co.uk
[09:16] <ali1234> they are... free
[09:16]  * CupofPSB thinks there must be a back-up sim policy amongst some #ubuntu-uk users ?
[09:16] <ali1234> why?
[09:16] <CupofPSB> I'm on the isle of Man .. none of the sims work on the website .. it';s a bug !
[09:17] <ali1234> why do you even need a sim to register on twitter?
[09:17] <ali1234> why do you even want to register on twitter at all?
[09:17] <CupofPSB> this isn't helping, at-all.
[09:18] <CupofPSB> ali1234: are you trolling me ?
[09:18] <awilkins> I'm sorry, does the topic say "Free help to people wanting to avoid the contractual requirements of social media sites"  ?
[09:18] <Myrtti> I don't want to sound sceptical and be the one to ruin the party but I personally wouldn't give my phone number even if I had a burner sim that I don't use. Even the free sims you get from three require your name and address and so they are traceable to the person who ordered them, with somewhat non-zero possibility the person might become liable for whatever the Twitter account is used for...
[09:19] <ali1234> Myrtti: right
[09:19]  * CupofPSB is getting flack from all sides, now . Woe is me on my tiny island.
[09:19] <awilkins> We'll send you a tiny violin to go with it.
[09:19] <CupofPSB> Don't any of you have a throw away sim-card spare ?
[09:20] <CupofPSB> Myrtti: It's called trust amongst UK users .. oh wait I forget that doesn't mean beans on  this channel.
[09:21] <bashrc_> you now need a phone to get a twitter account?
[09:21] <ali1234> oh hey guess what, i just signed up for twitter and i didn;t need to enter a phone number
[09:21] <CupofPSB> really ?
[09:21] <CupofPSB> hang-on.
[09:21] <ali1234> yes really
[09:22] <CupofPSB> all I see is this : In order to protect the security of your account, please add your phone number. We will send you a text message with a verification code that you'll need to enter on the next screen.
[09:22] <Myrtti> I love you all and all that, but I still wouldn't give a person the nickname I don't recognise or haven't met in real life more personal information than what they've managed to gather from me during the years we've chatted
[09:23]  * foobarry confused
[09:23] <awilkins> I just got "
[09:23] <awilkins> Signup Denied
[09:23] <awilkins> We cannot create a new account from this computer. Download the free Twitter app for your Android or iPhone, and start using Twitter on your phone instead.
[09:23] <awilkins> "
[09:23] <Myrtti> but I've got more reasons to be sceptical and paranoid than most people on this channel
[09:23] <awilkins> That was from a Private Browsing session on Firefox
[09:23] <foobarry> you can't create a twitter account without a phone number?
[09:24] <ali1234> foobarry: no, you can
[09:24] <foobarry> hence confused
[09:24] <CupofPSB> Tell me how ?
[09:24] <foobarry> are you trying from the app?
[09:24] <CupofPSB> no.
[09:24] <foobarry> or frmo a desktop PC on the net
[09:24] <CupofPSB> chromebook.
[09:24] <ali1234> go to twitter.com and click on sign in, the click on sign up
[09:24] <Myrtti> I just created a twitter account without phone number as well.
[09:25] <ali1234> i wouldn't be surprised if twitter banned the entire isle of man for "trolling"
[09:25] <foobarry> isle of man, population:7
[09:25] <ali1234> it probably only has 1 ip address
[09:26] <CupofPSB> that's just mean.
[09:26] <foobarry> whois
[09:26] <foobarry> barry, barry's house, douglas
[09:27] <foobarry> if you're not trolling then try using tor to signup
[09:27] <ali1234> i very much doubt that will work
[09:27] <ali1234> tor exit nodes are pretty easy to identify
[09:27] <awilkins> I just got a failed signup from here in the UK
[09:28] <awilkins> Not sure if it was because I used a private browsing session
[09:28] <ali1234> probably
[09:28] <awilkins> It said "This computer"
[09:29] <awilkins> Does it from non-private session as well
[09:30] <popey> side-note, Channel 4 On Demand refuses to let you play if you use chrome incognito mode
[09:30] <popey> it detects it and says you have to use a proper session
[09:31] <foobarry> 4od doesn't work on linux at all i thought
[09:31] <awilkins> Yeah, it works
[09:31] <foobarry> they fixed it again?
[09:31] <awilkins> I think I had to install a deprecated library but it works
[09:32] <awilkins> It's some library that's now actually a dummy package
[09:32] <awilkins> You remove it and put the real one back and it works
[09:32] <awilkins> http://blog.terranux.net/2014/04/how-to-get-4od-to-work-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty/
[09:32] <awilkins> That's it
[09:33] <awilkins> Apparently also fixes Google Play rented movies...
[09:33] <awilkins> You'd think they would work on Linux though, since there is Chromebook
[09:33] <foobarry> i used this some time ago but it broke for a while and i gave up
[09:33] <awilkins> Ah, not used it in a while
[09:33] <awilkins> Not since Utopia finished
[09:34] <CupofPSB> I've called the operator &b they cant help either.
[09:34] <foobarry> i haven't tried to use in yonks
[09:34] <CupofPSB> I'd better go .. or else the wrathe of Ubuntu-uk be apon me.
[09:36] <foobarry> this is what i see
[09:37] <foobarry> CupofPSB: http://i.imgur.com/Wn1MBrK.png
[09:39] <CupofPSB> foobarry: Yeah, and after that this what I see http://imgur.com/yPc57Iu
[09:40] <awilkins> So just to check - you're not putting the "0" in front of your number?
[09:40] <CupofPSB> I'm not.
[09:41] <CupofPSB> my phones going nuts telling me I've topped up twice in the last 15 minutes when I haven't.
[09:42] <CupofPSB> I guess I could try with a landline and a public phonebox.
[09:43] <CupofPSB> right thats it .. I quit thee shennagigens .. I'll try again soon.
[09:43] <CupofPSB> **these
[09:46] <diddledan> anyone maintaining ssl-secured systems need to be aware that there's going to be a high-severity patch released later today
[09:48] <foobarry> oh yes
[09:48] <foobarry> need to fix my puppet issue before then
[09:49] <diddledan> puppet ftl?
[09:49]  * bashrc_ stands by for ssl sky to fall down
[09:49] <foobarry> its high not critical
[09:50] <bashrc_> release the headless chickens!
[09:51] <foobarry> then eat them
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: The HAL muck is some Flash dependency IIRC.
[09:56] <awilkins> Yeah, the DRM depends on it
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> Didn't know Google Play was also affected (not that I use it).
[09:56] <awilkins> Presumably it gives Flash some intestinal-level access to your hardware
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> Got Blinkbox to work, not that that is of any real use either
[09:57] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, I'm guessing that Chrome on Linux probably works ok without it
[09:57] <awilkins> FOr Google Play anyways
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, they have a supported Flash doofer
[09:57] <awilkins> Netflix / Chrome works fine here
[09:58] <awilkins> They even took off the bit that checks your user-agent
[09:58] <awilkins> Linux is now officially OK with Netflix
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> Yay!
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> Maybe I'll ditch the TV package and look into Netflix.
[09:59] <foobarry> netflix doesn't have much "good stuff"
[09:59] <foobarry> in before !best
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> No current shows?
[10:00] <foobarry> probably. but the marketing makes out they have all the good stuff
[10:00] <awilkins> I dunno, it has more than I can consume that is good, pretty much
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Hmm...I'd miss out on the motorcycle racing I guess.
[10:01] <awilkins> Still not started on House of Cards s3
[10:01] <awilkins> Just go stay with CupofPSB and catch the TT races
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: With who/what?
[10:02] <awilkins> Oh, were'nt you here? Person from the Isle of Man wanting one of us to lend them a SIM card so they can sign up for a Twitter account
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity> That sounds...weird
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity> The Linux Bierwanderung might be going to the IoM in a year or so.
[10:04] <diddledan> is it lunch time yet?
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: It's always lunchtime somewhere
[10:04] <diddledan> I want to go to the cafe and get burger-n-chippies
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Are you an adult?
[10:04] <diddledan> they do pretty decent chips
[10:04] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: debatable
[10:04] <CupofPSB> Just so you know, it didn't work on a landline either. Must be smthing to-do with the fact I'm on a mobile chromebook or something. I give up.
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Well if you are, you can go and get what you damned well want, when you damned well want it.
[10:05] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: but. conventions
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Rebel life 4 eva!
[10:05] <diddledan> lol
[10:06] <foobarry> CupofPSB: try TOR next
[10:06] <foobarry> exit into UK or USA
[10:06] <CupofPSB> TwistedLucidity: Are you from Cork ?
[10:06] <CupofPSB> how do I try tor on a chromebook ?#
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> CupofPSB: Not me
[10:06] <foobarry> are you at work/office/school?
[10:07] <foobarry> use chromebook to email a friend to do it
[10:07] <CupofPSB> couch/office
[10:07] <foobarry> and send u the accoutn and password
[10:07] <TwistedLucidity> Tor? Sign-up for a free VPN account with a UK exit. Try that.
[10:07] <CupofPSB> "friend" I thought there was only 7 of us here ?
[10:07] <foobarry> aren't three of them your uncle?
[10:08] <CupofPSB> no they're wombles.
[10:08] <foobarry> the other are mark shuttleworth and isleofmandan
[10:08] <foobarry> and douglas
[10:08] <CupofPSB> what about gordon ramsey ?
[10:08] <foobarry> him too?
[10:08] <CupofPSB> or beckii cruel ?
[10:09] <foobarry> no women allowed
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> CupofPSB: Ah...so the text with the magic code hasn't arrived. Phone a friend, ask them to text you. If you get no text, you have a problem beyond Twitter
[10:09] <foobarry> i have a new idea
[10:09] <CupofPSB> Sir Norman's no-longer with us :(
[10:09] <foobarry> get all the eejits like ramsay and russell brand and send them over
[10:09] <CupofPSB> they dont have bitcoin.
[10:10] <CupofPSB> We're a Bitcoin Utopia here.
[10:10] <CupofPSB> Bought a pint with btc on Paddys day, I did.
[10:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Caramel Day! :-D
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> JamesTait: I strongly suspect you are making these up
[10:11]  * Myrtti goes to fix herself a Moomin mug of chocolate and caramel coffee
[10:11] <CupofPSB> He does my 'ed with them, anyway.
[10:11] <CupofPSB> **'ed in ..
[10:11] <JamesTait> TwistedLucidity, I only wish I were that creative. ;)
[10:12] <CupofPSB> Did you know he says ..
[10:12] <JamesTait> Myrtti, that sounds like an excellent idea!
[10:12] <CupofPSB> No, & I don't want to know, you said the same last year, and the year before like some infurnal time-warp.
[10:13] <CupofPSB> Why not have a look at , wait for it .. twitter .. & say TIL the GNU Manifesto is 30 years old , or something remotely linuxey.
[10:14] <CupofPSB> he then fades into the ether and never replies for days.
[10:16] <diddledan> Myrtti: moomin!
[10:16] <diddledan> I used to love the moomins
[10:16] <Myrtti> diddledan: hold on...
[10:17]  * diddledan grabs something sturdy and holds on
[10:22] <Myrtti> there, taken some photos...
[10:23] <ali1234> 21922 al        20   0 13.108g 0.012t   5984 S  24.6 75.6   5:45.83 gimp-2.8
[10:23] <CupofPSB> sudo apt-get install tor-browser, me thinks.
[10:24] <Myrtti> diddledan: https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/16836308376/
[10:25] <diddledan> wow, that's an impressive collection of moomins! :-)
[10:25] <Myrtti> they're collector items, all of them
[10:25] <diddledan> better not drop any
[10:25] <Myrtti> starting price is around 15€, but the prices go up
[10:26] <CupofPSB> moomins crumbs ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utXbpKrWRBs
[10:27] <CupofPSB> thant music .. sounds like netball .. https://youtu.be/utXbpKrWRBs?t=4m26s
[10:27] <Myrtti> ha. The one I'm drinking my coffee right now is about 60€
[10:27] <CupofPSB> *that
[10:27] <Myrtti> (on street market)
[10:28] <awilkins> Moomin Mamma!
[10:39] <MooDoo> how to embarres yourself seeing as you've been using ubuntu for years episode #32312 - Learning the command sudo -i
[10:40] <Myrtti> MooDoo: tsk :-D
[10:40] <MooDoo> Myrtti: i'm hanging my head in shame
[10:40] <foobarry> so many people still do sudo su -
[10:40] <foobarry> or variations thereof
[10:40] <Myrtti> well, if it makes you feel any better, it took me a few years to realise you get out of manpages with q
[10:40] <MooDoo> :D
[10:40] <foobarry> what did you do Myrtti ?
[10:40] <foobarry> before q
[10:41] <MooDoo> i ctrl - c
[10:41] <MooDoo> lol
[10:41] <foobarry> some cool bash commands
[10:41] <Myrtti> reconnected the ssh session
[10:41] <foobarry> do ls /home
[10:41] <foobarry> then do df !$
[10:41] <Myrtti> and it also took a good while to learn to search in manpages
[10:42] <foobarry> also :p on the end of a history command recalls it but doesn't run it e.g. !!:p
[10:42] <foobarry> also ^/home^/tmp is a good bash switcher
[10:46] <foobarry> i also have a selective up-arrow history search
[10:46] <foobarry> type ssh up arrow only shows the history of commands starting with ssh
[10:48] <JamesTait> foobarry, how did you achieve that? I always do ctrl-r<start_of_command>
[10:49] <foobarry> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59846/bash-history-search-partial-up-arrow
[10:49] <foobarry> requires an .inputrc file with 2 lines in it
[10:51] <foobarry> much more elegant than ctrl-r
[10:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: now that is a day I 100% get behind :)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQ5Yw72xtA
[10:52] <JamesTait> Thanks, foobarry!
[10:52] <foobarry> np
[10:53] <foobarry> do you also know the HISTIGNORE variable?
[10:54] <davmor2> JamesTait: or history | grep <part of the command you remember>   and then !<number of the history record>
[10:54] <JamesTait> foobarry, I knew about that, but I don't use it - I just prefix the command with a space.
[10:54] <davmor2> it's the old fashioned version of ctrl-r
[10:55] <foobarry> yep, my history contains ls:[bf]g:exit:pwd:history
[11:02] <CupofPSB> Everest . fav. music video at the moment .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgfzEm3CWU
[11:29] <foobarry> google news is showing the same thumbnail for every story from the independent
[11:29] <foobarry> story about the eclipse shows man in front of flaming car
[11:29] <foobarry> story about vikings too
[11:29] <foobarry> and spiders
[11:31] <foobarry> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/dinosaurs/11482314/Giant-walking-crocodile-terrorised-Earth-before-dinosaurs.html
[11:32] <foobarry> there's no way this thing could walk. centre of gravity all wrong
[11:59] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:59] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[12:00] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm and MooDoo
[12:04] <bigcalm> And my greeting was valid for the UK for a change
[12:04] <foobarry> check google for ssl news
[12:04] <foobarry> refresh
[12:04] <foobarry> wait and repeat
[12:15] <czajkowski> Folks London free event taking place on Monday if you're interested by Waterloo.
[12:15] <czajkowski> http://www.cvent.com/events/couchbase-live-europe-re-platforming-for-big-data-success/agenda-bf96572b15d841a692ee8a164370384d.aspx
[12:17] <diplo> Anyone here use Hyper V ?
[12:17] <diplo> Got a customer who has a setup, we have a linux guest on there that needs to fax out
[12:17] <diplo> Hyper V doesn't seem to detect serial ports or usb ports
[12:18] <awilkins> email to fax gateway?
[12:19] <diplo> heh that was my suggestion awilkins :)
[12:20] <diplo> I know I'll be asked to make sure there is no way of keeping it in house before we have to do that
[12:21] <diddledan> diplo: I don't believe hyper-v exposes any external devices
[12:21] <awilkins> USB over TCP/IP seems to be their response to that conundrum
[12:21] <diddledan> ew
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> wonders how many packets a usb cable takes.... :-)
[12:22] <awilkins> "ew" is what I think about Fax in this day and age :{
[12:22] <bigcalm> Well, you have ethernet and wifi USB devices...
[12:23] <diplo> awilkins: I totally agree! Why do we need fax!!! But our customers are set on it
[12:23] <diplo> And yeah, seems a fwe solutions for tcp/ip :/
[12:24] <awilkins> AnywhereUSB 2-port USB over TCP/IP hub - €256,60
[12:24] <diddledan> USB2 is rated at 480Mbps so USB-ethernet can only really do 100Mbps i.e. 100Base-T
[12:24] <diddledan> USB3 however can do giganet
[12:24] <awilkins> FAx machines however, can only do 33kbit/s
[12:24] <diddledan> awilkins: lol
[12:24] <diddledan> speedy
[12:25] <diplo> We use JetStreams ( Made by Perle ) and I've been trying to get their Trueport software to pass through /dev/tpm0 to the jetstream with a modem connected on that port
[12:25] <diplo> But logging sucks :/
[12:25] <diplo> And documentation is even worse!
[12:25] <diplo> And this is all remote, so it's proving frustrating!
[12:25] <diddledan> diplo: isn't /dev/tpm0 something to do with trusted platform modules?
[12:25] <diplo> I've told my boss to say tough, you wanted HyperV, you fix your issues!
[12:25] <diplo> Not in this case no
[12:26] <diddledan> >.<
[12:29] <diplo> Right, given him his options and said I think we ought to just pass it back to them as they were so sure they wanted HyperV they can fix the issue and give us the details :)
[12:30] <diplo> Their IT Manager is the most useless person I've ever spoke to!
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> well managers usually are :-)
[12:43] <foobarry> :-o
[12:46] <diplo> I don't know, I was ok :)
[12:47] <diplo> He basically is a desk jockey with the title. Has no real understanding of anything technical
[12:50] <foobarry> i wonder about those people
[12:50] <foobarry> how was work today?
[12:50] <diplo> It's frustrating as hell
[12:50] <foobarry> this morning i already discovered the fix for a puppet problem and rolled out the change
[12:51] <foobarry> what is the definition of success?
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> non failure
[12:51] <foobarry> something that helps other and makes you feel happy at the same time
[12:52] <diplo> foobarry: Tried Ansible as well ?
[12:52] <diplo> Or stuck with puppet?
[12:52] <foobarry> fixed the problem
[12:52] <foobarry> worked around it actually
[12:52] <foobarry> fix will come later
[12:52] <foobarry> or at least permanent
[12:53] <foobarry> if you have no mission in your work then most of life sucks
[12:53] <foobarry> and is aimless
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> so... like a java developer then? :-)
[13:01] <diddledan> right, I'm off to get my burger
[13:03] <popey> mmmm burger
[13:03] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[13:09] <foobarry> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ always reminds me of the scene in north by north west
[13:09] <foobarry> when the crop sprayer plane attacks the guy
[13:11] <foobarry> http://taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html needs unicode
[13:11] <foobarry> top random quote...
[13:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: linkdin lies you know perl pfff ;)
[13:42] <czajkowski> linkedin is a tad odd
[13:42] <czajkowski> a bit like yoruself davmor2 :p
[13:47] <awilkins> People I don't know on LinkedIn are endorsing me in the hope I'll endorse them back
[13:47] <awilkins> I never endorse. I find it impossible to get far enough into someones head to know if they're competent at *anything*
[13:52] <ali1234> i've got this one friend who keeps on endorsing me for things he knows that i know nothing about
[13:52] <ali1234> like "microsoft office" for example
[13:52] <foobarry> i guess you can endorse for anything
[13:52] <foobarry> "eating loudly" "farting in the lift"
[13:52] <awilkins> I'd be happier with a web of trust
[13:52] <awilkins> Sign endorsements with your private key
[13:53] <awilkins> And have endorsements that say you know what you're talking about re: particular things
[13:53] <awilkins> Signed by others
[13:53] <ali1234> that's pretty much what linked in does, except it isn't decentralized like a WoT
[13:54] <awilkins> So you could have one root master for each subject. Like if it's crypto, you can trace your endorsement all the way back to Bruce Schneir
[13:55] <foobarry> he is not trustworthy
[13:55] <foobarry> but i get your point
[13:55] <ali1234> yeah you can do that with linked-in
[14:00] <foobarry> work is so hard when your kids/dog got you up 3x last night
[14:00] <foobarry> quality sleep is essential for thinking
[14:28] <foobarry> https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20150319.txt
[14:28] <foobarry> meh
[15:01] <bashrc_> sky remains in place
[15:01] <foobarry> google has killed quickoffice
[15:02]  * bashrc_ has never heard of quickoffice
[15:02] <foobarry> adnroid app
[15:10] <directhex> quickoffice and also gdocs was dumb
[15:13] <diddledan> foobarry: wow, that's a lot of issues
[15:13] <diddledan> now I'm just waiting on gentoo to package it
[15:15] <foobarry> oh, i thought only top issue was the new one
[15:15] <diddledan> foobarry: nah, they're all patched today
[15:15] <foobarry> i thought the second one we did last month or so
[15:16] <diddledan> yes and no, they've reclassified it and re-announced that particular one
[15:17] <diddledan> i.e. they've changed it from "patch if you fancy, to OMG PATCH NOW!"
[15:21]  * diddledan plops dotnetconf on in the background
[15:23] <foobarry> where's MartijnVdS ?
[15:23] <diddledan> pas didée
[15:23] <diddledan> d'idée**
[15:23] <foobarry> ?
[15:23] <foobarry> not idea?
[15:23] <diddledan> no idea ^^
[15:24] <foobarry> haven't seen him for a while
[15:24] <diddledan> literally it's "not of idea"
[15:24] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/KOQZe3D.jpg
[15:24] <diddledan> dogecoin?
[15:24] <diddledan> :-p
[15:24] <foobarry> i imagine thats his wallpeper
[15:24] <diddledan> lol
[15:24] <davmor2> directhex: they want you to just use drive
[15:26] <diddledan> to be fair to google re:quickoffice they purchased quickoffice after they'd been running drive/docs for some time - the acquisition was designed to bolster their interoperability with msoffice formats and the like. I believe it's always been planned that the separate quickopffice would be phased-out in favour of the gdocs
[15:26] <diddledan> i.e. they've probably got to the point where they've ported everything useful from quickoffice into gdocs now
[15:26] <Myrtti> yup
[15:27] <foobarry> but my phone has it baked in
[15:27] <foobarry> more motorolas fault but..
[15:27] <diddledan> grr @ bundled apps
[15:27] <Myrtti> install google drive apps and rejoice
[15:27] <foobarry> use extra MB
[15:27] <foobarry> i made a terrible mistake buying my phone
[15:27] <foobarry> for extra £20 i could have had extra 8gb storage
[15:28] <foobarry> i didn't know new android suicked space
[15:28] <diddledan> you may find if motorola issue any future androids for your device that they remove it then
[15:28] <popey> there's apps you can install which let you rip out default apps I believe
[15:28] <directhex> diddledan: thanks for the heads up
[15:28] <foobarry> if you have root?
[15:28] <diddledan> root all the things
[15:29] <diddledan> directhex: openssl?
[15:29] <directhex> dotnetconf
[15:29] <diddledan> aah
[15:29] <diddledan> gotcha
[15:29] <diddledan> it's day 2 of 2
[15:29] <directhex> miguel's speech tho
[15:29] <diddledan> yeah, that'll be fun
[15:30] <diddledan> I like miguel - he's a nice dude
[15:30] <shauno> well this is driving me nuts.  wlan0 only seems to work if I ifdown & ifup it after each boot :/
[15:30] <diddledan> shauno: HAHA
[15:30]  * diddledan points and laughs
[15:30] <directhex> and i spy him in yesterday's "The .NET Voyage into Open Source" talk thumbnail
[15:30] <diddledan> yup
[15:30] <diddledan> that was an interesting vid
[15:32] <diddledan> lol
[15:32] <diddledan> "just when we've got everything planned, miguel shows up"
[15:35]  * bashrc_ doesn't care much about .NET
[16:02] <popey> https://github.com/nathan/pixie is neat
[16:03] <bashrc_> vi /src/workspace/jetson-be/baserock/baserock/definitions/systems/cross-bootstrap-system-armv7bhf-jetson.morph
[16:04] <bashrc_> I guess the history struck again
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> history! don't talk to me about history... I could go for for centuries about history!  :D
[16:06] <bashrc_> I should see if I can find a way to turn off history in irssi
[16:07] <foobarry> did you see that app http://www.projectpixelpress.com/#the-magic
[16:07] <bashrc_> otherwise if I hit the trackpad I sometimes end up posting random stuff from the command history
[16:22] <awilkins>  "The .NET Voyage into Open Source" ???
[16:22] <awilkins> Thought that said Open Space for a moment
[16:22] <bashrc_> mono, presumably
[16:23] <awilkins> They're actually open-sourcing the core libraries I think
[16:23] <awilkins> MS are
[16:23] <bashrc_> yes I think so
[16:23] <awilkins> "At present, only a few .NET Core libraries are available on GitHub. The rest of the libraries, including the base runtime, will be added in the coming months."
[16:24] <bashrc_> microsoft appear to be generally open sourcing more stuff. The old guard must be fading
[16:29] <directhex> MS have been releasing libraries under Apache2 for years. The new wave is releasing the low-level stuff (not the leaf libs) under MIT
[16:29] <directhex> including their new runtime
[16:30] <diddledan> also their attitude is somewhat different comparing to the codeplex "throw it over the wall and forget" method - they're actually doing everything in the open now and accepting community contribution in every step of the process of building the system
[16:31] <diddledan> i.e. they're actively participating with community discussion over fundamental design concepts
[16:31] <directhex> not everything is accepting contributions, but yeah, some teams are trying & learning
[17:22] <Myrtti> WHAT IS THIS MAGIC
[17:22] <diddledan> wait, magic?
[17:22] <Myrtti> simple scan can now see a scanner shared to the network?
[17:22] <diddledan> that's not magic, that's voodoo
[17:23] <Myrtti> oh absolutely!
[17:23] <diddledan> sacrifice a first-born
[17:23] <diddledan> um num shavai
[17:25] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk2E1CoGe98
[17:28] <diddledan> there's more gore in that clip than they usually show on the telly
[17:29] <diddledan> openssl patch for ubuntu is live
[17:29] <Myrtti> there, scanned the marriage certificate
[17:30] <diddledan> yey
[17:31] <directhex> i have some photocopies of mine
[17:31] <directhex> it's in spanish!
[17:31] <Myrtti> I've got TWO certificates.
[17:31] <diddledan> wha?
[17:32] <Myrtti> one is in Finnish ^___^
[17:32] <diddledan> Myrtti: does that mean you're marrying twice?
[17:32] <Myrtti> no.
[17:32] <Myrtti> the other is in English. Same marriage.
[17:32] <diddledan> aah, I wondered if maybe one set of vows in britain and another set in finland
[17:33] <Myrtti> well, we do actually have a certificate from the secular non-legal ceremony, too.
[17:33] <bashrc_> can you set your vows in the blockchain?
[17:33] <diddledan> although I'm wondering if that would make you a polygamist. with only one hubby.
[17:33] <Myrtti> since the Finnish Humanists can't officiate
[17:34] <diddledan> is it still polygamy when both your husbands are the same dude?
[17:34] <diddledan> hmm, philosophy!
[17:36]  * diddledan fixes bugfix's bugs
[17:36] <bugfix> :-)
[17:36] <bugfix> hi
[17:36] <diddledan> ello
[17:36] <bugfix> all right?
[17:36] <diddledan> not bad
[17:47] <zertyui> hi
[17:49] <zertyui> how to identify swap utilisatioN ?
[17:50] <popey> vmstat 5
[17:50] <popey> look at swap si/so (swap in/out)
[17:51] <intrbiz> zertyui: free -m
[17:52] <Azelphur> ali1234: question you probably know the answer to, with some fancy wiring, can you charge a phone while having a USB drive plugged in?
[17:52] <ali1234> sure
[17:52] <ali1234> just get a big power supply
[17:52] <awilkins> Just need to pull the +5V rail up
[17:52] <ali1234> phone will use 2A and a USB drive will use 1A
[17:52] <Azelphur> why would it need to be any bigger than a standard USB charger?
[17:53] <Azelphur> I see
[17:53] <bigcalm> With multiple monitors in use, how do I move the launcher to a different screen?
[17:53] <awilkins> Would a flash drive really use 1A?
[17:53] <ali1234> there is no "standard" USB charger
[17:53] <ali1234> no a flash drive won't. a hard drive will though
[17:53] <awilkins> Since a standard USB port only provides 500mA ?
[17:53] <popey> can you not use one of those y adapter usb OTG cables?
[17:53] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Galaxyworld%C2%AE-Female-Micro-Samsung-Galaxy-Black/dp/B00KZHA094
[17:54] <popey> like that
[17:54] <Azelphur> popey: nice find, if so that's exactly what I want
[17:54] <popey> depends on the phone, dunno if they all support them
[17:56] <Azelphur> popey: description: "PLEASE NOTE: This cable can't charge your phone or tablet"
[17:56] <Azelphur> :<
[17:56] <popey> awww, i think some do
[18:01] <bigcalm> Found it: "Launcher placement" in Screen Display
[18:11] <intrbiz> bigcalm: can't you just drag the launcher to where you want it?
[18:11] <popey> no. you set the location in the display control thing
[19:53] <shauno> is there a sensible way to zero-pad numbers in bash?  It seems like it should be a whole lot easier than I'm making it ..
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> shauno: printf '%06d' 31337
[19:59] <diddledan> printf in bash?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> coreutils: /usr/bin/printf
[20:00] <diddledan> ooh
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> it's also a bash builtin
[20:01] <shauno> printthat's my current method, and it's breaking way too often :/
[20:01] <shauno> some of the numbers I start with are already zero-padded, some aren't.
[20:02] <shauno> so printf "%02d" 9 gives me 09.  but printf "%02d" 09 gives me 00 (09 bad octal)
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> shauno: even in quotes?
[20:03] <shauno> seems so
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/70966/how-to-suppress-bash-octal-number-interpretation-to-be-interpreted-as-decimal
[20:07] <shauno> mh.  I'll take that as no then :)
[21:24] <BaNaer_Liffan> Is there anyone who could help with a problem installing a CCD astrophotography camera in Ubuntu?
[21:49] <daftykins> wow 5 whole minutes
[21:49] <diddledan> a what in the whatnow?!
[21:49] <daftykins> ikr
[21:50] <daftykins> also declaring a camera uses a CCD, not quite relevant
[21:50] <diddledan> that's a seriously niche market
[21:50] <diddledan> maybe he's just got the chip
[21:50] <diddledan> I'm guessing he's trying to get ready for the clips tomorrow
[21:51] <BaNaer_Liffan> sorry, got disconnected so didn;t see if any reply
[21:51] <diddledan> BaNaer_Liffan: you didn't miss anything
[21:51] <BaNaer_Liffan> ah, k :)
[21:52] <BaNaer_Liffan> problem is, ubuntu 14.10 utopic sees the camera (lsusb shows it as well as dmesg) but cheese etc can't
[21:53] <diddledan> lol @ https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=923903510963109&t=dXNlcmlkPTQ3OTk0MzA1LGVtYWlsaWQ9OTYwNw==
[21:54] <diddledan> isn't cheese for video input?
[21:54] <diddledan> i.e. webcam
[21:55] <daftykins> i'm under that impression
[21:56] <diddledan> daftykins: there's me and you currently awake. we both have windows on our desktops. this is gonna be an interesting scencario of the blind leading the blind.
[21:56] <daftykins> XD
[21:56] <shauno> does dmesg have any messages about /dev/video* or v4l ?
[21:56] <daftykins> and shauno in OS X possibly? :>
[21:56] <diddledan> lol, yup[
[21:57] <diddledan> so out of all the people who might be active BaNaer_Liffan has managed to get the time when all of them are non-natives
[21:57] <shauno> O:-)
[21:57] <daftykins> diddledan: it's 10pm, we're running Windows in a Linux channel and we're wearing sunglasses at night. Let's do this.
[21:57] <daftykins> </poor Blues Brothers paraphrase>
[21:57] <diddledan> lol
[21:57] <daftykins> oh nevermind
[21:58] <shauno> well, I know quite genericly that the usb messages are a bit misleading.  it'll tell you there's a new device, it might even tell you what it's called.  it's all terribly optimistic, but if it's not followed by a line or two of a driver getting attached to it, it's useless
[21:58] <daftykins> i think this fellow has more major issues than cameras
[21:58] <diddledan> shauno: it's like "oh! it's a unix system. I know this!.. *clicky draggy 3d map*"
[21:59] <shauno> so "ooh there's my usb device" is a nice start, it finds you the right place in the log.  but the interesting bit is "what happens next"
[21:59] <daftykins> :)
[21:59] <daftykins> oh did i tell you guys about that drive i recovered data from, then put on a new 1TB WD external for some fellow?
[21:59] <shauno> apparently that 3d mappy thing actually existed!  (for limited values of 'existed')
[22:00] <diddledan> daftykins: I think his dongle keeps flopping-out
[22:00] <diddledan> shauno: yeah
[22:00] <daftykins> turned out it didn't work on his macs, so i got it back and formatted it with 1,024KB cluster exFAT this time, instead of the Windows 7 default which i think was 4KB... now it mounts fine
[22:00] <diddledan> shauno: I even downloaded it once
[22:00] <daftykins> actually used the macbook i have to test it too
[22:00] <diddledan> shauno: I believe it was for irix?
[22:01] <diddledan> certainly a rather rare unix even in 1995
[22:02] <daftykins> if Hackers taught me anything, it's hang out at places where people skateboard indoors - and always check the 'Trash'
[22:02] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn
[22:02] <shauno> BaNaer_Liffan: where it shows up in dmesg, can you share those lines and any after it that look even remotely relevant?  pref. using eg http://paste.ubuntu.com/  (so it's still there when you drop off again lol)
[22:02] <diddledan> daftykins: that and hack the planet
[22:02] <daftykins> yep
[22:02] <BaNaer_Liffan> sure, 1 second
[22:03] <diddledan> here ya go shauno : https://web.archive.org/web/20070409024417/http://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html
[22:04] <diddledan> I'm not sure the actual binaries are archived anywhere tho :-(
[22:04] <shauno> oh I'm sure they're out there somewhere.  where there's a beard there's a way
[22:04] <diddledan> wow, I'm wrong: the ftp link on that archived webpage is actually still active: ftp://ftp.sgi.com/sgi/fsn
[22:07] <shauno> I'm not sure I have anything that runs irix :)
[22:08] <shauno> I did have a noodle around with v7 though.  that was interesting.  kinda felt like a blind guy with his cane tucked into his sock.
[22:11] <shauno> speaking of noodles, flatpack hell today.  I went from "I actually quite like flatpack, it's like lego for hammers" to "I wonder if they have a phone number so I can hurl abuse at them" rather sharpish
[22:12] <daftykins> wayback machine stores 9PB of data as of December 1st 2014
[22:12] <shauno> in a church :)
[22:13] <daftykins> what in a church? 0o
[22:13] <daftykins> also mmm noodles in dark soy sauce
[22:14] <shauno> their headquarters is in a ex-church.  it's quite a fun asthetic
[22:16] <daftykins> ah
[22:16] <daftykins> ah no 50PB used
[22:16] <daftykins> to include all the rest
[22:16] <diddledan> daftykins: not much difference then
[22:16] <daftykins> 20,000 spinning rust disks
[22:19] <diddledan> I'd hope they have some redundancy
[22:20] <diddledan> 1 out of 20k discs go wonky and the entire archive is gone
[22:20] <daftykins> ;)
[22:20] <shauno> I think they have 4 physical locations now?
[22:21] <shauno> and one's in the alexandria library, just for kicks and giggles
[22:21] <daftykins> oh lets chime in on the sector size migration i kicked off on the 24TB RAID6 and see how far it's gotten
[22:21] <diddledan> they're probably using some form of object storage I would hope
[22:21] <daftykins> 4% since last night... hmmm
[22:21] <shauno> this is fun; https://vimeo.com/59207751
[22:22] <shauno> about 45s in you can see him sitting on pews with blinkenlichten in the background. which imho is awesome
[22:23] <daftykins> :>
[22:24] <daftykins> my friends just got their application approved to run their art gallery in a chapel
[22:24] <daftykins> it hadn't been used for years
[22:27] <daftykins> thirteen whole minutes
[22:28] <diddledan> over 100% efficient?
[22:29] <shauno> in theory.  if they're using the heat to heat things they'd heat anyway
[22:29] <daftykins> i wonder if this migration is even worth it, perhaps i should nuke the whole thing and recreate it as 64KB... then go EXT4 as well :)
[22:29] <shauno> it's a little more fluffy if they're heating things they wouldn't heat if they didn't have spare heat to dispose of ;)
[22:30] <daftykins> being able to guarantee you can get that heat out and into something else must be a challenge o0
[22:31] <shauno> why?  that's what everyone else does :)
[22:32] <shauno> well, most.  capture/contain/transfer is quite normal.  it's hippiest like google and facebook who've mucked it all up
[22:47] <daftykins> *shrug*
[22:56] <shauno> hm, how silly would I look if I put a ssd on my pi
[22:57] <daftykins> how does that interface 0o
[22:57] <shauno> well, everything's on a usb hdd atm.  so pretty much the same :)
[23:00] <daftykins> allow me to paste one of the things from #kodi which makes me cringe
[23:00] <daftykins> < tanuki> How difficult is it to stream output from Kodi on Linux to a Chromecast?
[23:01] <daftykins> BaNaer_Liffan: bad connection there 0o
[23:01] <BaNaer_Liffan> idle timeout I think
[23:02] <daftykins> what on? IRC servers don't kick for doing nothing :D
[23:03] <BaNaer_Liffan> lol, think Chatzilla gets bored and looks for something to do :D
[23:04] <daftykins> :<
[23:11] <Azelphur> Is there any way for me to install abiword without pulling in a desktop?
[23:11] <Azelphur> I only want to use abiword from the command line, on a server
[23:14] <m0nkey_> Azelphur, considering it doesn't need a full desktop, only X server, you should be able to just go 'apt-get install abiword'
[23:14] <m0nkey_> run: apt-cache show abiword   .. to see depends on
[23:14] <Azelphur> ah I see, I don't even really want X but I guess I'll take it
[23:15] <m0nkey_> X isn't a dependency
[23:15] <m0nkey_> dbus, glib, gcc, crypt, gtk, jpegm etc..
[23:15] <m0nkey_> no x11
[23:15] <Azelphur> ah ok :)
[23:16] <Azelphur> cool, guess I was expecting it to pull half the planet in and was wrong
[23:16] <m0nkey_> run the apt-cache show command on it, you'll see
[23:16] <Azelphur> yup, I see :)
[23:19] <diddledan> libreplanet at the weekend on livestream
[23:19] <diddledan> ref: https://libreplanet.org/2015/
[23:20] <diddledan> get to see all the greybeards
[23:20] <diddledan> i.e. dickie stallman
[23:30] <diddledan> I think it's nearly coma-time
[23:46] <daftykins> me too, just did the bins, washing up and unloaded the dishwasher \o/
[23:49] <shauno> ooh, bins!
[23:49] <daftykins> you too? :)
[23:51] <shauno> lol, yes.  they send me texts, but they send them so early in the day that I've forgot by time it matters
[23:51] <daftykins> i get stroppy with family for trying to organise things weeks in advance, for similar reasons
[23:53] <shauno> they like to send me little guilt-trips telling me I'm not recycling as much as everyone else too :/
[23:54] <shauno> (which is silly.  it should be done as a percentage, not as a weight)
[23:54] <daftykins> wow they actually rate per household 0o
[23:55] <shauno> they mail me pdfs with graphs and everything.  it's hilarious
[23:55] <daftykins> we only recently had kerbside recycling launched, but rather than decode all the rules i just cycle to the dropoff with it :D
[23:58] <shauno> they weigh everything here because that's how it's billed.  you pay more per kg for gray waste than green waste (and nada for brown waste)
[23:59] <daftykins> i don't even know what grey and brown would be o0