[00:58] mparillo: thtanks, I did it [00:58] mparillo: some weird bugs appear but I solved it now [01:00] mparillo: I had to install from the GUI, from the bash shell it will fail [01:02] tnkhanh: In that case, you might want to add your answer to askubuntu.com so the next person has it easier. I would hold off updating the help wiki until you are certain your approach works and the bash shell fails. [01:03] After all, one more answer is good, but deleting something from a wiki is a bigger step, because it might work for most, just not for you, and if you are not sure of yourself, that would be a shame. [01:04] mparillo: hm I'm not so sure. Maybe its some other bug. This is just what I remember [01:07] I understand. Mis-information is worse than none at all. Just keep looking for little ways to pay the community back. [01:29] Howdy; I hope this is the right place for this question. If not, please point me in the right direction. Does anyone know what protocol/mechanism is used by apport for it's communication? The manual user/passwd entry I use for email won't work for apport. What I'm looking into, is doing a netcat wrapper, or something similar to get apport working. Thanks. [03:50] After upgrading to vivid plasma 5, why some applications still show the oxygen style widgets [03:50] mainly the system settings app [03:50] the tabs and buttons are displayed in the oxygen widget style [04:02] Can anyone help me, how i can start X without -nolisten tcp in kubuntu 15.04?) sddm display manager) [07:10] good morning === havingFun is now known as xrosnight === havingFun is now known as xrosnight === soee_ is now known as soee [07:58] hi [07:59] good morning mar11 [08:00] I want to know if there is a terminal code for knowing that ny notherboard and bios can support 64 bit os [08:00] my motherboard and bios [08:01] thanks man [08:01] mar11: "grep lm /proc/cpuinfo" [08:01] type in termianl [08:01] ? [08:01] yep [08:02] lm means long mode, which means the cpu is 64-bit capable [08:03] it says :flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow up extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm extapic cr8_legacy 3dnowprefetch [08:03] what does it mean? [08:05] I know my cpu can support it but I want to know can my motherboard & bios suppot it [08:05] eh... if you're running the CPU, that in itself means the motherboard supports it [08:05] and it says lm there, so you're good to go [08:06] thanks man [08:06] mar11: is it an older cpu? [08:06] I want to install kubunu 64bit 14.04 [08:07] I think it is blong to 4-5 years ago [08:07] "grep model /proc/cpuinfo" [08:07] it's likely fine [08:08] I want to know if I can backup my customis and software from 32 bir to 64 bir kde [08:08] bot [08:08] bit [08:08] can I? [08:11] what you want to backup is your apps settings etc. theey will work fine for 64 bit when proper app version is isntalled [08:11] those settings are simple files [08:16] no I want to complete backup all my software and kind of my icons that is downloaded so that I don't have to download and install then again in my new kubuntu [08:18] did I made it clear? [08:19] mar11: that sounds like a bad idea imo [08:19] very quick to install from the repos [08:19] and you'll have the correct version, with the correct underlying libs, etc. [08:20] why?why you say something like that? [08:20] what you need is a backup of your own personal data, and perhaps your settings if you have modified things a lot [08:20] otherwise, just your data [08:21] if you have custom icons, those too [08:21] applications install very quickly [08:21] Im in iran and the internet is very slow and sometimes it not conect at all [08:21] ah [08:21] :( [08:21] I nearly have no chose [08:21] you'll have 32-bit versions of applications [08:21] rather than 64 [08:22] so what would be the point of installing 64-bit? [08:22] yes I think so after all ny os is a 32bir version [08:22] just stick with it -- I've tried identical installs one 64, one 32 [08:22] and there was really no difference [08:23] That's.. really very usecase specific [08:23] I thought 64 would be newer, faster, snazzier [08:23] It is, provided you have the hardware [08:23] not so much [08:23] If you need to allocate more than 2GB for a process, you're going to have a bad time on 32-bit. And so on. [08:23] hateball: what would you advise mar11? [08:24] sure, building amarok was slower [08:24] so that you say it is no use to install 64 bit os? [08:24] but how many people do that? [08:24] If you have 4GB+ RAM, there's speed and security advantages to using 64-bit OS [08:25] But if it's hard to reinstall applications due to bandwidth concerns, well that's pretty much the dealbreaker [08:28] so if I want to use something like viber what should I do [08:28] ? [08:29] mar11: I doubt there's a single piece of software you use that does not have a 64-bit version [08:29] Even if there's software that only provides 32-bit binaries, you can install multi-arch libs to run 32-bit code as well [08:30] It's "only" a matter of installing it from the repos, but this of course means you need to have a connection to the internet [08:30] this the problam the viber app is 64 bit [08:31] Yes, you can't run 64-bit code on 32-bit OS. But the other way around works. [08:31] and I have 3GB ran [08:31] I aware of that [08:31] Yes, so 64-bit OS is the way to go. Backup your data in $HOME and reinstall. [08:32] and sounds like I must insatall kubuntu 32 bir [08:32] No, what makes it sound like that? [08:32] so how should I backup? [08:32] my ram is low [08:32] 3GB [08:32] 3GB is plenty [08:32] Even 2GB is fine [08:33] for 64bit? [08:33] sure? [08:33] The overhead of 64-bit is not really much to worry about [08:33] Yes, I run 64-bit on 1GB machines as well [08:34] is it really faster than 32 bit os? [08:34] For certain operations yes [08:34] That rely on those functions in the cpu [08:34] what? [08:34] For every day use, you probably wont notice it much [08:35] But you get the added benefit of security features like ASLR [08:35] so how should I back up my customize and apps? [08:35] Anyhow, if you have an external drive of some sort the easiest way is to just live-boot your machine and copy over what data you need from your $HOME to that drive [08:36] so that I won't needed to insatall from internet [08:36] If you have /home on a separate partition, you should only need to reinstall and not format /home [08:36] or just rsync it [08:36] mar11: There is no way to copy over installed 32-bit applications on your 32-bit OS to a new 64-bit install [08:36] No feasible way I should say... everything is possible [08:37] But that will end up causing more headache than it is worth [08:37] what should I do about my icons custom? [08:37] mar11: Where are those icons stored? [08:37] copy and paste just work? [08:38] 1 sec [08:38] Yes, everything that is just "data" can just be backuped and transfered to a new machine [08:38] Like documents, images, etc [08:39] and how can I install os without formating home partion? [08:40] they are in /usr/share [08:40] mar11: Do you have a separate partition for /home now? [08:40] yes [08:40] The installer will let you pick advanced options [08:40] There should be some guide somewhere.... [08:41] do you have any link to I go and see myself? [08:42] mar11: this is an old image, but it looks pretty much the same http://laffers.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/snapshot3.png [08:42] So you tell the installer to mount say sda1 as / and it must format. Then you pick sda2 or wherever you have /home now as /home, and do NOT format [08:43] if you install with the same username etc as you have now, it should be just fine [09:03] mar11: Please ask your questions in channel so that others may help and learn [09:04] actully my /home is sda7 should I mark it as home partion again in installing process? [09:04] Yep, there should be a dropdown list what you want to mount it as [09:05] Just make very very sure you do not format /home... It is always good to have backups in any case [09:05] when I don't format home partion all my apps seting will be ther after new install [09:05] ? [09:05] even 32bit apps? [09:06] mar11: And if you had custom data in /usr, that will get wiped when you reinstall and format /, so you need to copy that somewhere like your /home [09:06] mar11: Yes, all settings are saved in your /home [09:06] If you run some system services like say... apache, there may be configurations saved in /etc [09:06] So you will need to backup those as well [09:06] what about the apps I must install again? [09:06] But the actual 32-bit applications, those will be wiped and needed to reinstall [09:06] !clone [09:06] To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can use the !software package "apt-clone" - See also !automate [09:07] mar11: You can use this to pull a list of what you have installed now, so it is easier to reinstall them later [09:07] But it will still need to download the new 64-bit versions over the internet [09:08] Oh and also... the packages on 32-bit and 64-bit might not be the same [09:08] The names that is [09:09] so what you say is when I install an app which is 64bit now its setting can be trasfer from 32bit old app? [09:09] is that right? [09:09] Good morning. [09:09] good morning [09:10] Hey mar11 [09:10] hey man [09:11] is there a solar eclipse plasmoid ? [09:11] mar11: Yes, settings are just text for the most part [09:13] what should I backup from /etc ? [09:14] mar11: I usually backup everything from there. It is a small dir anyways. [09:19] thnks man [09:20] :-D [09:24] hi [09:25] o/ [11:00] Howdy folks [11:08] * alvin is upgrading to Vivid, macho style. [11:11] alvin, macho style is .......? [11:14] remove all previous installs [11:14] No backup :-) [11:14] (ok, no important data either) [11:14] alvin: No backup? -.- [11:14] risky mc'frisky [11:15] No backup on a Friday... Allways a good idea. [11:15] Just reminded me of this: http://en.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/cache/images/tiraecol_en-59.png [11:15] best to have / and /home partitions [11:16] i shuold do that [11:16] alvin: Was more thinking of: http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/2za4nl/backups_are_important_mkay/ [11:16] They are encrypted here. I always have to reboot 'twice', but apparently, this isn't different in Vivid. After grub, there's a blank screen. I reboot, grub appears, and the system boots. Always. no idea why. [11:16] always find my self with an empty [11:19] alvin, which kubuntu OS? [11:20] There are more? [11:20] which version? [11:20] Just the in-development version. 15.04 [11:21] I ran the plasma5 version of 14.10 before. So, it's not really different. [11:21] if the boot stalls then run , systemctl enable sddm [11:22] alvin: Did you have a plasma5 ppa enabled when you upgraded to Vivid? [11:22] I had to convince the package manager of some things, but on the whole, this succeeded nicely. Had to downgrade bluedevil and there's still no font preview. [11:22] lordievader: Hmm, Yes, I think so, but the upgrade disabled that PPA. [11:22] alvin: It disabled the sources.... Upgrading with such a ppa enabled is broken. [11:23] I followed the proper procedure. All PPA's were disabled. [11:23] And it worked. Even Akonadi still works. [11:24] alvin: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-March/009274.html [11:25] It looks like ark cannot create zips with password [11:25] what are some other filer compressor I should try? [11:27] lordievader: Oho, seems like I upgraded in time then. Really. it works fine. [11:28] aftereyo: That might be a proprietary option. I don't really know. But typical Unix compression software doesn't give you the options to use a password. That's done with other software, like gnupg. [11:28] alvin: Hmm, that is good to hear. [11:28] aftereyo: Wait. I should have read the manual first! It's zip --encrypt [11:29] ark probarbly just doesn't show you that option. [11:32] "We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be supported.", but apparently I didn't get the memo and did it anyway. Well. No regrets :-) [11:35] dev OSs always come with caveats as I'm sure you're aware [11:35] Absolutely! [11:35] Else it wouldn't be fun ;) [11:36] That's the thing. I wouldn't have upgraded now if I really wanted a stable system. [11:41] stilll have the odd crash here and there, but not while running, the crash notifier pops up with some apps right after closing them [11:41] That happens a lot with Firefox. Crash on close. [11:42] I had screen flickrs a lot and a lot of bug pop ups some i reverted back to plasma 4 [11:43] It does look really nice, I'm sure many people will use it once its final [11:44] Oh, yes. It needs some polishing, but looks fine already. I wonder about this font preview rendering bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336089 It was also visible on the demo system at Fosdem, while most people say their font preview looks fine. [11:44] KDE bug 336089 in kcm_fontinst "Font preview - rendering problem" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [11:44] I still have it after the Vivid upgrade === vicky is now known as Guest21323 === Guest21323 is now known as zenemij [11:58] hi guys what is the best additional driver for nividia grafics? [11:59] any body? [12:01] reza: What do you mean best? nouveau vs nvidia? [12:03] no I mean additional driver witch we install to run nividia grafice on pc like what we use in windows [12:03] there are 4-5 driver [12:03] witch we can choses and use [12:04] do you see them [12:04] ? [12:05] should I send a pic? [12:05] A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept. [12:05] reza: No, I do not run Kubuntu nor have a nvidia card. You mean the different versions? [12:05] Take the latest that (still) supports your card/ [12:06] A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept. [12:06] reza: choose nvidia-current [12:06] look when you want run driver for grafice card [12:07] it is 4-5 driver and it is not in depend on witch card you have [12:07] I suppose [12:08] there is no nvidia-current anymore [12:08] let me name them for you [12:08] reza, which nvidia gpu? [12:09] I think I have gforce 1800 [12:09] sorry [12:10] gforce 9400 [12:10] gforce 9400 gt [12:12] and which drivers are in the driver manager list ? usually the the recommended is best, probly the nvidia-331 or 340 [12:14] no there are 304 update-331 update-173-304-331 [12:14] so witch one is better to choose? [12:15] As long as your card is supported, latest is greatest [12:16] reza, is this kubuntu 14.04 or 14.10? [12:16] I want to know witch one is newer and updated? [12:17] is there no recommended driver? [12:18] yep [12:18] there is [12:18] 331 [12:18] which is ? [12:18] then install the 331 [12:19] what's different between 331 and 331 updates? [12:19] why it does not recommend 331 updates? [12:24] the 331 driver is up to date,, the updates one is for drivers still being developed afaik [12:25] so there is no need to install the update one [12:25] thanks man [12:25] No, the 331 is the version as when the os version was released. The 331-updates is updated as new versions come out. [12:25] ok' [12:25] New versions of the driver that is. [12:26] so why the os itself not recommend it? [12:26] lordievader, my experience with updates drivers was not a good one, the stable driver is also updated when required [12:27] reza, go with the regular 331, it will work fine with the 9400....I have the 8400 and the 331 was great with it [12:29] why there is no difrence between them in about field [12:29] ? [12:29] BluesKaj: are you sure about that? [12:30] reza, yes I am , absolutely sure [12:30] so im go on this one [12:31] thanks guys [12:31] bye === soee_ is now known as soee [12:59] guys, I've switched Ubuntu 14.10 to Kubuntu by apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. However, over time (say 24 hours) i find that kde really starts to slow down and become sluggish. kwin tends to use a fair amount of cpu, but nothing I'd say was overwhelming to this box (dual quad core/8GB ram/GeForce GTX 650 Ti) [12:59] is this a common problem, and is there a way to fix without completely logging out/back in or shutting down X? [13:10] Would anyone know how to install KDM from apt-get or PPA, ...? thx [13:11] fausty, why , what's the issue with lightdm? [13:12] LightDM loads the orginal Ubuntu wallpaper right before it loads KDE, I find it slightly anoying.. [13:14] fausty: install lightdm-kde-greeter [13:14] than it wont install all unity dependencies [13:15] yup, that'll work [13:17] Alright, thanks, I've broken my install once in the past with dependencies, but I'm learning... [13:17] I'm ditching windows for good this time around [13:19] seems lightdm-kde-greeter is already the newest version [13:23] fausty: and it installed you lightdm with unity deps ? === ralf is now known as Guest62072 [13:25] I installed Ubuntu, then installed Gnome Flashback then KDE and now I'm here, light DM was present when I booted up KDE the first time in System Settings... [13:25] Hi I've downloaded kubuntu, and I want to install it on an atom mini laptop where a windows7 is on. is it possible to install a dualboot? [13:29] Marbug, Yes, you'll have to shrink C: partion using windows built in partion editor search 'partition' when you click on the Start button, after you shrink the partion boot ubuntu live cd and the new empty partion make it a Ext4 file system, mount it as '/' and install, ... not sure which version of ubuntu would run on an atom processor prolly 32bit [13:31] fausty, amd64 would run on it, by shrinking the C: partition, do I need to shrink it before for a boot partition where the grub can reside on? Or may it also be after the C: partition ? [13:31] Ubuntu would do all the grub work for you [13:35] fausty, does windows allow shrinking the C partition while it's in use ? or can you unmount it in the partiton manager and proceed from there? [13:37] it allows shrinking while the system is in use, just look over the numbers and make sure it doesn't shrink to much on you, windows will determine how much it can give up to the new partition, you have some control over so just look it over before clicking next [13:38] wel in my case I don't need to shrink the C: partition as there is a datapartition I can use. I'm on vacation and there is a laptop, but we have only 3G here, I don't want to take the risk to install ubuntu on that laptop if the stick won't work afterwards, or if there would be problems. But if everything will go automated with just a partition you need to have free, that would be cool [13:39] now hoping windows wouldn't jerk :-) [13:40] Well if your new to Linux there will be some hiccups along the way ;) [13:41] I'm new :unsure: [13:41] ;-) [13:42] you could say I'm new to windows hahahha [13:42] Marbug, I would use gparted on live media to do the partitoning beforehand rather than fool with the windows partioner , since you can set up the ext4 partion for kubuntu [13:42] ait gparted it will be [13:42] err partition [13:46] Gotch-ya, sudo apt-get install kdm unity-greeter, KDM is a go :) [13:46] KDM? Kubuntu hasn't used that since ages. [13:48] LightDM flickers Ubuntu Wallpaper before loading KDE, don't like that, KDM does not, [13:50] Then again I could boot Gnome and set the Wallpaper to black and not see it before them boot... [13:51] meh, that laptop has EFI -_-" is that a problem for kubuntu ? [13:53] fausty: do you have lightdm-kde-greeter installed and configured [13:53] yes [13:53] but it boots the Unity Login [13:54] with KDM installed it will boot the KDE logon manger [13:55] the configured part sounds like what you're missing then [13:57] I don't know if KDM will even be left in 15.04... if you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" it should let you pick the proper greeter [13:59] yes it lets me choose between kdm and lightdm... I'll choose lightdm... read up on google some more [14:00] Linux is so modular its confusing at times [14:06] fausty, or you could dump gnome altogether ")\ [14:07] I have I'm running Kabuntu, that unity login screen is the only thing left to change [14:08] ok [14:08] fausty: did you try the command I suggested [14:11] yes [14:12] reboot or logout? [14:12] I will reboot and see if its all worked [14:17] All is working :) [14:18] what would be the command to return to the Unity Login ?? out of curosity? [14:19] fausty: I think the package is unity-greeter [14:20] so you'd install that, then reconfigure lightdm and it should let you switch between greeters [14:20] if there is only one greeter package installed it should just default to that [14:20] perhaps unity-greeters post-install script even reconfigures [14:23] unity-greeter is installed just a matter of setting it as default [14:24] unity is under gdm [14:24] hmmm, I thought reconfiguring lightdm should allow you that choice [14:24] so to activate it i'd activate gdm-greeter [14:24] I only ever have kde plasma stuff installed === misalspi is now known as misalspi_ [14:57] #xdcc === havingFun is now known as xrosnight [15:37] So in order to change your default login manager if your using lightdm you have to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and add or change 'greeter-session=unity-greeter' .... or whatever greeter you have installed, Almost broke my install figured that out.. Recovery, Alt+F1 saved me, phew! [15:40] fausty: no, that's not how it is done. [15:40] It's done how it works, its Linux [15:41] fausty: to change display manager the file is '/etc/X11/default-display-manager' [15:41] If I upgrade to 14.10 with Muon, am I going to end up on KDE5? [15:41] indeed things are so modular that they are often confusing. [15:42] no that just effects lightdm not the actual login manager [15:42] Xenoth, no [15:42] OK, good. [15:42] plsama 5 and KF5 are optional on 14.10 [15:43] err plasma [15:43] Is it planned to force this in a newer release? [15:44] 15.04 already has plasma 5 as default [15:47] Walex: I try not to get attached my installs if I want learn linux I know I'm going to break my installs, its a right of passage ;)) [15:55] Hi there, I have problems with my external hdmi screen... in the display settings it appears but it's greyed out. When I unplug the cable, it vanishes, when I replug it, it reappears but still greyed out. Reboot didn't help. How can I activate it? [15:56] hyper_ch: Check the checkbox. [15:57] lordievader: it can't be that simple [15:57] It is here. [15:57] well, yes, it's there [15:58] but it looks also greyed out that's why I haven't tried it [15:58] * hyper_ch gives lordievader an extra big crunch chocolate coated weekend cookie [15:58] \o/ [16:22] displaylink still unusable in linux :-( [16:24] never heard of dispalylink [16:24] usb monitor, i try it with linux now and again. [16:25] work perfectly in windows, got it to display an image but it killed my primary monitor but was so slow to be unusable. [16:26] gave it up years ago when i started using linux and bought a 2nd monitor connected to my radeon card. === rudydog is now known as monkeyjuice === phoenix is now known as phoenix_firebrd [17:50] Is it possible to make Kickoff in KDE4 open to the "Applications" tab instead of to the Favorites tab? [18:41] Hey guys. It's been a while since I've been here. I think I've forgotten some of the IRC commands and codes. :p [18:44] LINKSWORD2: the code here is, "the quick fox jumped over the lazy cat, meow" [18:44] LINKSWORD2, commands for ? [18:44] Oh, hey, BluesKaj! Ah, just some of the IRC / commands. NickServ and such. [18:46] just tyype /nickserv help in the server textbox [18:47] LINKSWORD2, ^ [18:47] OK. [18:51] Hey, Blues? What would you say are the best programs / apps for Kubuntu? [18:53] LINKSWORD2, that's a matter of personal interest, tastes, and preferences ..depnds what kinds of things you like to do on your pc [18:54] Graphics/Audio editing, general purpose (mail, browsers, etc.) Although I also would like to learn more about the Linux kernel and programming, if that's an avenue I might be able to explore. [18:55] LINKSWORD2, check this out http://www.linuxveda.com/2014/12/06/things-installing-kubuntu-click-next/ [18:56] BluesKaj: And what do you use your Linux machine for? [18:56] * genii sips and ponders GIMP and FreeCAD. [18:57] they should add 'use numix in plasma5 so it looks less depressing' [18:57] this pc is my media server and irc chat machine , plus some othe mundane everyday stuff like email and browsing [18:59] LINKSWORD2, sorry that site i just posted is somewhat dated [19:01] I see. [19:02] LINKSWORD2, this one is more comprehensive about 14.10 http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-utopic-kde4.html [19:03] *Facepalm.* Rekong just crashed.... [19:03] rekonq , forget rekonq [19:04] Rekonq? Blegh. Lame name. LOL [19:06] Is there a way to get the system to not ask for password authentication for updates? [19:12] LINKSWORD2, I use myusername ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in the sudoers file , in the terminal: sudo visudo and add the phrase above the last line in the text , then , ctl+o, enter and ctl+x to save and exit the file [19:12] in Konsole? [19:12] this will work for most apps tto [19:13] yes in the konsole/terminal [19:15] I guess I don't have enough understanding of how to put it in with proper syntax. [19:16] open the konsole type sudo visudo [19:17] Got that far. Next? [19:17] LINKSWORD2, i use this; kaj ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL , so substitute your username where kaj is [19:21] ok , copied and pasted ? [19:23] Think so. [19:23] right above the last line in the text , you use the down arrow key to navigate to the bottom [19:24] Got it [19:25] now ctl+o , then enter, then ctl+x , that should save the file and exit back to the konsole prompt [19:26] Looks good to me. Thanks. [19:26] ok [19:27] you will need to relogin to make it work [19:27] Too lazy to log out and back in. LOL [19:27] heh [19:28] used to have to reboot iirc [19:31] LINKSWORD2, you can check if you open the /etc/sudoers file like so , kdesudo kate /etc/sudoers in krunner === thelionroars1337 is now known as thelionroars [19:32] krunner is alt +F2 [19:32] Found it. Looks good. [19:32] cool [19:32] Meanwhile, I'm falling asleep in my chair after a long day at work. Gonna log off and shut down. [19:43] I have one drive thats over 2 terrabyte can linux (NTFS) can linux handle this drive? [19:44] fausty: sure, only thing is I think you have to use a GPT partition table on it [19:45] ok === jayhunold is now known as jhunold === teresa is now known as Guest46326 [21:07] hola === aftereyo is now known as afk === pvoigt_ is now known as pvoigt [21:55] Question - I am thinking of installing / Using Plasma 5 with my Kubuntu. [21:55] Do I go by the Windows saying of never change a running system or? [21:56] that depends on what you use your computer for, Jiyuhen [21:57] I use plasma 5 daily and have been for about six months [21:57] I'm running Vivid beta right now, and it is mostly excellent [21:57] i can confirm what valorie says [21:57] valorie: Basic stuff like E-mail a bit of browsing and the occasional gaming. [21:58] I am thinking of trying some programming later, but first want to get to know Kubuntu [21:58] Jiyuhen: you can always download the iso and burn it to USB [21:58]