[03:56] Laney: 4455266c5b23be8173b9c93a4cb576f768fb732d fixes gnome-tweak-tool, but i need to figure out if there's some smaller chunk of the diff that we could backport [06:21] darkxst: re gnome-session: can we use two upstream patches (from gnome #745707) instead of yours? [06:21] Gnome bug 745707 in gnome-session "gdm fails to start if gnome-session-wayland is not installed" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745707 [06:23] mitya57, no, we don't want to display the fail whale at all on Ubuntu [06:25] ok [06:29] mitya57, I wouldnt mind displaying it on ubuntu GNOME, since it warns users when their extensions are getting disabled [06:38] darkxst: good idea, but probably too late for this cycle [06:42] darkxst: uploaded [06:52] good morning [06:55] darkxst: please do something with lp: #1236749 yourself, it doesn't have an ubuntu/gnome-session task, so won't be closed automatically [06:55] Launchpad bug 1236749 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Gnome shell extensions disabled at every startup" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1236749 [07:08] good morning desktopers [07:27] larsu, did you see the ping from robert on https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/unity-greeter/lp1423542/+merge/250303 ? [07:27] larsu, it goes with https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/ubuntu-themes/lp1423542/+merge/250302 [07:27] to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1423542 [07:27] Ubuntu bug 1423542 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "regresion: buttons styled differently" [Undecided,New] [07:27] seb128: I did not, thanks [07:28] larsu, yw! [07:28] thanks for reviewing ;-) [07:31] hm, I guess I can't test that in --test-mode? [07:31] bah, user switching is unstable on my laptop on vivid [07:32] got stuck into an empty console with a blinking cursor on top left [07:32] can't switch back to anywhere [07:32] had to reboot [07:32] :( [07:32] larsu, if you made extra comments after my "thanks!" I didn't see those [07:33] 08:31:07 larsu | hm, I guess I can't test that in --test-mode? [07:33] oh, no, you can't [07:33] hum [07:33] that being? [07:33] annoying, why not? [07:33] the selector, maybe not [07:33] it's just about the session switcher button., no? [07:33] not sure, good question [07:33] right, sorry I was getting confused because I was testing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1434094 [07:33] Ubuntu bug 1434094 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "indicator menus are misplaced when the display scaler is used" [High,Confirmed] [07:34] I get they are off by the scaling factor [07:34] which you can't test in test-mode as well, no indicator there [07:35] why doesn't terminals started from alt-f2 popup have all environment variables set up, like GPG_AGENT_INFO? [07:35] larsu, well, if your user switching is reliable you don't need to close your session to test, just pick another user from indicator-session [07:35] this broke after 14.04 or maybe .10 [07:35] tjaalton, try asking Trevinho or bregma maybe [07:35] perhaps due to gnome-keyring owning the gpg stuff now [07:36] seb128: right, but now I need to build the package and install it [07:36] seb128: ok [07:36] well if you start things from the dash they get the proper env [07:36] * larsu hates that [07:36] larsu, oh, right [07:36] larsu, ln -s /usr/sbin/unity-greeter... :p [07:36] seb128: yes [07:36] seb128: ts ts ts [07:36] tjaalton, so it's not a g-k issue, it's just this part of the dash not setting the env correctly it seems [07:37] larsu, :-) [07:37] mitya57, thanks, just duped it on the other bug [07:37] well, it was working before, so something broke with the new scope architecture I guess [07:37] seb128: oh, of course it works. I just didn't compile with --prefix=/usr [07:37] larsu, oh ok, that's good to know [07:37] larsu, indicators don't though right? [07:37] no sessions in /usr/local/share... [07:37] I'll file a bug on unity first [07:38] didrocks, did that change on u7? [07:38] seb128: the scope architecture/activation? yeah, I guess it was either for .10 or .04 [07:38] activation through scope loader [07:39] but yeah I can confirm that the envs are quite different [07:39] -SESSION=ubuntu [07:40] -SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh [07:40] -JOB=dbus [07:40] +JOB=xsession-init [07:40] what's alt-f2 thing called? [07:40] - is dash [07:40] + is alt-f2 [07:41] I diff a diff of strings /proc/$(pidof gedit)/environ [07:41] -GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=/usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop [07:41] tjaalton: it's unity-lens-applications package [07:41] oh [07:41] tjaalton, didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1433013 [07:41] Ubuntu bug 1433013 in upstart (Ubuntu Vivid) "Super -> exec vs Alt-F2 -> exec have different environment" [Undecided,New] [07:42] ah nice [07:42] yeah, I discussed it some time ago with xnox, didn't know he opened a bug [07:43] nice, sub'd [08:10] morning desktoppers [08:14] morning willcooke! [08:15] o/ [08:15] hey willcooke [08:16] morning willcooke [08:18] morning willcooke [08:21] Laney, are you going to the release sprint in that London? (20 April -> 24 April) [08:22] * willcooke -> school run [08:36] Hi all! This morning I found my .bash_history to be 0 bytes, any ideas what could have happened? (I am on (almost) latest vivid) [08:49] alf_, run out of free disk? [08:53] seb128: Hi! I have lot's of disk space, also no signs of disk error. It's suspicious that this happened a few days after the systemd update (although I have no proof that that's the issue). [08:54] alf_, that would seem weird to me, in any case that's more a #ubuntu-devel topic, bash is not very desktopish ;-) [08:55] seb128: indeed :) [08:55] seb128: oops, I actually thought this was ubuntu-devel, sorry! [08:55] Solar eclipse probably. [08:59] not in the u.k I guess, you need to be able to usually see the sun to notice the eclipse :p [09:01] Cosmic rays then? [09:01] yeah cloudy here atm :/ [09:01] hello eclipse fans [09:02] willcooke: not that I know of, that's some select group [09:02] Laney, ack [09:02] Laney, clouded out? [09:02] * willcooke is watching the eclipse on iPlayer [09:02] no [09:02] it is clear [09:02] swine!!! [09:02] tjaalton, no sun to dissolve the coulds :) [09:02] i had a couple of cheeky naked eye looks [09:02] the sun is surprisingly bright [09:02] ... [09:02] Laney, you crazy. [09:03] but it's way better than a shitty pinhole camera [09:03] :D [09:03] I'm totally going to look if there's a gap in the clouds [09:03] \o/ [09:03] about 30 mins until the max [09:03] Laney, don't look directly at the sun man! [09:04] that thing is powerful ;-) [09:04] mainly I'm amazed that it is there to be seen [09:04] it's been a few months [09:04] haha [09:05] ogra_: actually it's been bright and sunny the past week or two, and now it changed just in time for the eclipse.. [09:05] you are not doing the best job at selling the u.k there ;-) [09:05] someone on me twitter is taking pix of it [09:05] https://twitter.com/NCCLols [09:06] BBC One coverage is pretty good [09:07] tjaalton, same here [09:07] it's Laney [09:08] i think it is just that the sun cant dissolve the morning fog [09:08] Laney, ok, enough playing, give us our sun back! [09:08] ah, right, he took the hole in the coulds with him [09:08] our turn for a bit [09:08] you share [09:08] :-( [09:08] seb128: they stole it from us as well! [09:09] * didrocks wonders how many people bought glasses for nothing [09:09] wow [09:09] you can see it in the south of france even? [09:10] Laney: we were supposed to see it, but you send your clouds here [09:10] :D [09:11] http://c.tadst.com/gfx/eclipses/20150320/path-1920.png [09:12] you want to distract us from the cloud issues, right ? [09:12] showing pretty pictures of what we cant see and such :) [09:34] didrocks: tjaalton seb128: i believe the right solution there is for upstart's setenv dbus call, to do dbus call to org.freedesktop.DBus to UpdateActivationEnvironment. [09:46] Woot. Tiny gap in the clouds opened up enough for me to see it [10:25] grr, my desktop crashed when debugging click issues and it doesn't boot anymore [10:28] O_O [10:28] seb128, https://github.com/ubuntu-snappy/rfc/blob/master/rfc-oem.md [10:28] seb128, fyi ^ [10:28] software problem? [10:29] Laney, don't really know [10:29] systemd doesn't get to the greeter [10:29] upstart boots, I can log to my session or a command line but oom kicks in like 10 seconds after that [10:29] and takes everything down [10:30] recovery mode asks me for a root password which I don't have [10:31] well that at least sounds like a bug [10:31] init=/bin/bash to the rescue [10:39] bah, of course it was my own stupidity [10:39] Laney, thanks [10:39] note for self and others, don't make "click" a shell script calling it itself, that's not good :p [10:40] I replaced click by a wrapper supposed to call click.real which was the real click renamed [10:40] but I forgot the .real... [10:40] HAHA [10:40] and that's called on startup [10:40] yes [10:41] well at least it wasn't hardware failure [10:41] it's a bit suboptimal that a "side service" can take your greeter and vts down by oom like that though [10:41] I though oom ranking would let me a command line as well to debug [10:41] yeah welcome to the linux oom killer :( [10:43] you should file that rescue mode bug... [10:43] not sure what handles that [10:43] can anyone confirm that? [10:43] going to try on my other machine in a bit [10:43] in case I do have a root password that I set without remembering on my machine [10:44] look in /etc/shadow to confirm [10:45] yeah, seems like I don't have one set [10:45] I'm going to file that after lunch, but need to go now for some erands and food [10:46] if it's root:!:... then that means password locked [10:46] bbl [10:46] hf! [10:46] thanks! [11:08] hmm [11:08] who wants to confirm/deny something? [11:09] I deny all of it [11:09] set laucher icon size to 64, search for evolution in dash, drag to launcher to make a favourite [11:09] for me the nice icon is turned into a scaled up shit one [11:09] mlankhorst: weren't you supposed to be leaving? :P [11:09] NO TROLLING [11:10] give it a week [11:10] for now I'm just finding out in horror how unoptimized dri3 is... :P [11:13] unless i'm wrong it was creating a linear buffer in system memory for nouveau to pass to xorg.. [11:14] I'm confident about the system memory part, less sure about linear [11:26] mitya57, did you upload the sru's as well for g-s bug? [11:37] hey mlankhorst - so silo0 for MWC has had to take a back seat for more important work, so its not working right now. Hopefully they can fix it in the next week or so. From the Xmir side, what needs to be done so that we don't have to install a special version? Does it just need a revision bump or something? [11:49] willcooke: yeah [11:49] again :P [11:49] larsu: can you confirm ^? [11:49] it's using the svg from humanity so I'm not sure why it is not being scaled properly [11:50] not that I know loads about icon themes [11:51] Laney: is this about the evolution icon? [11:51] ya [11:51] on hidpi? [11:51] no [11:51] just increase the launcher icon size [11:52] * larsu installs evolution [11:53] I wonder why I can't get software-center to give me the 'technical items' banner on my desktop [11:53] * Laney sees a theming error there [11:55] Laney: the icon is only in 16, 24, and 48 [11:56] hm, 48 is set to Type=Scalable though [11:56] so this should work [11:56] where does unity get those from? [11:56] gtk? [11:57] don't know [11:57] maybe we should ask the unity team [11:58] Trevinho! [12:06] oh wait [12:06] it does show it, but the bug meant that I couldn't see it on top of my black terminal [12:06] \o/ [12:07] lol [12:07] how do you theme this custom widget? [12:08] woah, it's got a weird class name [12:08] ah, python I guess [12:08] ya [12:08] override that (how?) and theme that? [12:08] * larsu wonders if gtk's css parser can even handle that [12:09] oh neat [12:09] you can set __gtype_name__ on the class [12:10] :) [12:10] that was easy [12:10] set a css class though, that's even better ;) [12:10] is it? [12:10] if you say so :P [12:10] we try to minimize widget names in css [12:10] fugliness [12:15] .action-bar? [12:16] the progress bar when you install or remove something has buggy theming too [12:19] ja, action-bar sounds good [12:23] that's bug #1419553 [12:23] bug 1419553 in software-center (Ubuntu) "download thermometer bar does not show fully" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419553 [12:43] larsu: which file should I put a css rule in? [12:43] apps/software-center.css [12:43] k [12:43] if that doesn't exist, create it and include it in gtk-main.css [12:44] think the other fix is beyond me [12:45] ok, i can have a look late [12:45] r [12:50] dear scour [12:50] please to hurry up [12:51] Laney: heh, I share this feeling regularly :p [12:54] I sometime replace it with /bin/true to build :-) [12:55] in my chroots I turn off the png stuff [12:56] this is something the theme has enabled in d/rules [12:56] cheating! [12:57] /etc/pkgbinarymangler/stripfiles.conf "enable: false" [12:57] you know it makes sense! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:09] bah, click's python code is not utf-8 friendly :-/ [13:09] * seb128 hates python and its unicode errors [13:09] it's not python3? at least, it shouldn't let you run at all [13:10] it's python3 [13:11] it run fine, until it hits things like [13:11] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/magic.py", line 128, in file [13:11] return _file(self._magic_t, filename.encode('utf-8')) [13:11] UnicodeEncodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't encode character '\udcc3' in position 60: surrogates not allowed [13:13] do you know on why filename it errors out? [13:13] yes, names with é and è [13:13] which* [13:13] coming from a os.walk("") [13:13] yeah, classical issue [13:13] (from the surrogates) [13:16] didrocks, yeah, basically http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27366479/python-3-os-walk-file-paths-unicodeencodeerror-utf-8-codec-cant-encode-s [13:17] seb128: yeah, I'm always ending up into that exact stackoverflow page everytime I get it :) [13:18] I'm still unsure what the correct fix is [13:18] decode with 'surrogateescape'? [13:19] seb128: most of time, I prefer to use in os.walk a byte string [13:19] I was pondering that yeah [13:19] then, I'm getting byte strings instead of unicode [13:19] and don't loose the info [13:19] lose* [13:20] didrocks, thanks [13:21] yw! tell me if you need any help on this, I've spent wayyyyy to much time on unicode and python to have that not capitalized :) [13:22] didrocks, well, if you want to fix click feel free ;-) [13:22] but since I've a setup which hits the bug it's probably easier for me to do it [13:22] let's see how well using byte works [13:22] seb128: yeah, I meant, really if you are blocked :) [13:24] didrocks, if the os.walk() argument is a variable, you would use "bytes(variable, 'utf-8')? [13:26] seb128: the usual way is directly variable.encode('utf-8') [13:26] (this returns bytes) [13:27] if variable isn't bytes but strings of course [13:31] didrocks, thanks [13:34] yw! [13:45] mlankhorst, I've apt-get install xmir on the N7 - but the executable isn't there. Is this vivid thing, like do we need to add V as a target? [13:48] It's probably rolled into systemd, ha ha ha, ow. [13:49] :D [13:51] qengho: the other die i was shocked that systemd does not have "kill" and "killall" implementations [14:01] How's Evolution mail client looking these days? Anyone use it here? [14:03] * didrocks tries to dogfood as much as possible our default user experience [14:03] so, didn't touch evolution since 2011 :) [14:03] Is Geary the new hotness in Gtk land? [14:03] larsu: tried it IIRC ^ === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:05] didrocks: I installed it for the first time in ages to test its icon... [14:05] oh, wait. Geary. [14:06] ya, it's ok [14:06] oh, geary [14:06] better than evolution ui-wise, but much worse in being able to talk to actual mail servers [14:06] which, from what I hear, is an important feature for some [14:06] it's another app where you can see through apparently :/ [14:06] just tried [14:06] (unless you use gmail, it's supposedly great at that) [14:07] bah, I give up on trying to fix click, I'm just going to rename my files, that's annoying [14:10] willcooke: If you haven't figured it out yet, the version of xorg-server in the Vivid archive is newer than what is in mlankhorst's PPA. [14:11] willcooke: I really wish we could have some recipe set up to automatically keep an Xmir PPA up to date. === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [14:30] ChrisTownsend, yeah - we will need to move the xmir code back in to LP because it won't import from Github properly. I'll ask robert_ancell to take a look (unless mlankhorst you can do that in the next week?) [14:30] willcooke: That would be excellent. Thanks! [14:37] oh, you have some import issues from github? [15:02] didrocks, yeah, it's something to do with an SSL certificate, or signed code, or something [15:03] interesting, maybe worth bringing this to the LP team? [15:03] I think mlankhorst already did [15:04] ok, great :) [15:04] Laney: it seems like the only reason the bug is fixed upstream is because it breaks o-s entirely [15:04] the gnome-tweak-tool bug === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [15:07] attente_: oh right, the new scrollbar stuff I guess [15:07] how come your fix stopped working? [15:08] no idea :( [15:08] Solar eclipse [15:08] stupid sun [15:08] let's nuke it [15:08] I would as well blame tides, but it's linked [15:09] nuke those too [15:10] http://i.imgur.com/91sn32Q.jpg?fb [15:12] recurrent reference @home [15:12] :D [15:13] willcooke: only with the gesture, of course! ;) [15:14] attente_: it works now if you put it on GtkScrolledWindow or GtkViewport ... [15:15] is either of those sane? [15:24] Laney: do you prefer to add it to the gnome-applications.css instead? make it tweak-tool specific? [15:25] i don't know if the problem is visible in other apps [15:25] doesn't seem specific to tweak tool though [15:26] that's not a custom widget [15:29] ask the theme master... [15:30] ok. i'll update the mp then [15:30] thx [15:36] can someone remind me the url of that awesome page with the gigantic table with the latest upstream versions vs. which versions we have, etc.? [15:37] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html [15:37] thanks! [15:37] hello [15:37] hi :) [15:45] did anyone check the gnome-terminal wrapper? [15:45] not sure I want to upload it just before going away... [15:45] but maybe someone could do that next week... [15:46] or at least test it so I can do it when I get back [15:46] Laney: can you give back the link please? [15:46] it's in bzr [15:46] of gnome-terminal [15:46] Laney: not sure if we should sponsor it, but at least try [15:46] ok, putting a note [15:46] sure you can [15:46] it's dragged on for months now [15:47] if it ruins everything then revert the upload if the fix is not obvious [15:47] Laney: ok, let's do that (but not going to upload that on a Friday :p) [15:48] why do the csd window buttons look so weird on my machine... [15:48] spacing [15:49] they're also slightly larger [16:05] who's the theme master... ¬_¬ [16:07] some german guy [16:15] POETS day. Got some stuff to take care off, so knocking off early. Happy weekend y'all. Next week we'll finalise the reviews in real 1:1s. There will be cake. [16:19] Laney, are you off next week? [16:27] brb [16:32] larsu: is https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/ubuntu-themes/1285783/+merge/227768 good? [16:33] (changed since it got approved) [16:40] Laney: wow, that's quite a lot of bgs we'll be setting [16:41] but if it works, fine by me [16:42] it's that or GtkViewport [16:42] for the gnome-tweak-tool case [16:42] I don't know what's more appropriate [16:43] * Laney wants to add another rule for geary [16:44] adding this everywhere sucks [16:48] * Laney quite likes geary's UI [16:50] * desrt doesn't like its flakyness with almost anything that's not gmail [16:50] * desrt tried using it with fastmail for a while -- that wasn't so nice [16:51] I just read some threads, didn't go very deep [16:51] it seems to have trouble staying in sync with the remote server, even across restarts [16:51] like its cache gets messed up [16:52] in my case, i had a couple of messages in a folder (trash?) [16:52] i deleted them [16:52] and then put a bunch more in that folder (must have been trash) [16:52] and when i restarted geary, it showed only two messages (since there were two before) [16:52] but they were two out of the _new_ messages [16:52] that's the point where i said "i'm not sure i want this thing to have write access to my email" and uninstalled it [16:56] ok, sounds like time for week-end! [16:56] bye didrocks [16:56] see you in a week! [16:56] enjoy your week-end everyone, enjoy your holidays Laney ! [16:56] didrocks: have a good one :) [16:56] thanks, you too ;) [16:56] if you could fix my shutdown and suspend while i'm gone [16:57] would be most appreciated [16:57] ;-) [16:57] Laney: ok, I'll trade that with a worse bug then, like no network! [16:57] just for you… with love :) [16:57] (don't upgrade on holidays) [16:57] oh god [16:57] I already have that [16:57] that's a mathieu-tl thing [16:57] * Laney makes a (s)hit list [16:58] roh [16:58] * didrocks hugs Laney, see you man! [16:58] bye! [16:58] may the cheese and wine treat you well [16:58] Laney, bye [16:58] was saying bye to didrocks [16:58] oh [16:58] hi seb128 :) [16:58] hey Laney ;-) [16:59] sorry, went offline to go to work to a caffee for a bit [16:59]