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mparillovalorie: for the wifi, could it be https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34460000:18
ubottuKDE bug 344600 in applet "Network Manager Widget does not 'remember' to connect to previous WEP network" [Normal,Unconfirmed]00:18
valoriehmmm, I encountered that bug before but worked around it02:03
valorieI see it's not been fixed02:03
valorieI will provide the asked-for logs now that I've rechecked "connect automatically" when I next restart02:04
ovidiu-florinGood morning beautiful people 06:51
gordon_just got here after reading http://lwn.net/Articles/635880/07:31
gordon_happy birthday kubuntu :)07:32
ronnoc<307:33
lordievaderGood morning.08:05
gordon_are there some tasks to do ?08:37
gordon_i might be able to develop something :)08:38
gordon_in my spare time08:38
ovidiu-florinRiddell: do I still need to keep the Invoices and bills for the T-shirts for FOSDEM?08:41
ovidiu-florinShould I keep them and give them to you at Akademy?08:41
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I have them in digital format, will that suffice?08:42
Riddellovidiu-florin: um depends, who are you wanting money back from?08:59
Riddellhi gordon_, welcome along09:00
Riddellgordon_: I don't suppose you have a printer? that autodetection needs some love09:01
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I already got the money09:01
Riddellovidiu-florin: from whom?09:01
Riddellgordon_: lots of bugs like working out what the problem is with ubiquity and non-english languages09:01
Riddellgordon_: you could get into packaging, we always have lots of that09:02
Riddellgordon_: you could work out what what we do about bug 1430893 do we switch to Fcitx09:03
ubottubug 1430893 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Install Fcitx for Chinese users" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/143089309:03
ovidiu-florinRiddell: KDE GB09:12
Riddellovidiu-florin: 514.65 to you?  digital copies of receipts for that would be nice09:16
Riddell£ that is09:17
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I'll mail them to you 09:24
JiyuhenGood Morning all10:18
BluesKajHiyas all10:28
Riddellhi Jiyuhen 10:30
Riddellwelcome along10:30
JiyuhenRiddell: Thank you very much10:31
Riddellhi leyyin 10:53
leyyinhi10:53
Riddellwelcome along, want to become an elite kubuntu ninja? :)10:54
leyyinjust hanging around, I wanted to do a gsoc this year, but plans changed :)10:54
leyyinand yes I'm on kubuntu 14.04 right now ;)10:54
Riddellbah old school, all the cool kids are testing 15.04 beta :)10:55
leyyinlts :P10:55
yofelsgclark: out of curiosity, what does 'debconf-get-selections | grep default-x-display-manager' say on your system? (You might have to install debconf-utils)10:58
BluesKajyofel, http://pastebin.ca/296197211:07
BluesKajI was curious , yofel :)11:07
yofelyeah, that looks right.. I was reading sddm.postinst earlier and remembered her saying that she has no /etc/X11/default-display-manager, but looking at the postinst script that seemed strange...11:08
BluesKaj /etc/X11/default-display-manager shows /usr/bin/sddm here, which is what I'm using by default on 15.0411:13
Riddellhi Simon_B 11:13
Simon_BHi Riddell, it's my first time here ... just looking11:14
soeegood morning11:15
BluesKaj'morning soee11:15
RiddellSimon_B: welcome along, let us know if you want to become an elite kubuntu ninja :)11:44
JiyuhenRiddell:  So many Ninja's :)13:20
JiyuhenQuestions on Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 5, can be asked here?13:21
=== drawkward_ is now known as drawkward
soeeRiddell: do we suppport Plasma5 on 14.10 through next ppa ?13:27
RiddellJiyuhen: you can try but we mostly consider that unsupported so chances are the answer will be to upgrade to 15.04 beta13:42
Riddellsoee: ↑13:42
soeeRiddell: ok so this is what i just told user @ #kubuntu13:44
Riddells/upgrade/reinstall/ is better13:44
kubotuRiddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"13:44
JiyuhenRiddell: Thank you.  I just realized, that I cannot add a printer and it won t recognize my external HDD. I guess, that can only be fixe by upgrading to the beta, mh?13:47
RiddellJiyuhen: right13:47
JiyuhenRiddell: Fun! :)13:48
JiyuhenRiddell: I just read up on it. So I would need to do a reinstall as a direct upgrade from 14.10 with Plasma 5 is not possible. 13:53
JiyuhenI do need more coffee :)13:53
RiddellJiyuhen: you can try to install kubuntu-desktop and upgrade from there, but a new install is easier and more reliable I think13:54
JiyuhenRiddell: Stupid Question - That does mean, if I run the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, it will rewerde to the previous one?13:55
RiddellJiyuhen: it'll install plasma 413:55
JiyuhenRiddell: Alright. I give it a thought. 13:59
JiyuhenRiddell: Anything, next to just install the kubuntu-desktop, I would absolutely need to do?14:00
RiddellI don't think so14:04
JiyuhenOk, Cheers!14:05
BluesKajkubuntu-restricted-extras 14:05
JiyuhenBluesKaj: mh?14:06
BluesKajfor java and flash14:08
BluesKajplus some codecs14:08
sgclarkyofel: sddm shared/default-x-dispay-manager select sddm14:19
JiyuhenBluesKaj:  Ah ok! Thank you - Sorry a bit slow atm ;-)14:33
BluesKajJiyuhen, np , some users don't bother with the extras14:35
JiyuhenBluesKaj: True that. As long HTML5 isn t the prominent way, those are quite neccessary. :)14:38
BluesKajyes14:38
JiyuhenI am still starring at my dekstop thinking, if I really want to go back to just 4.10. :)14:38
BluesKajaltho some sites that advert to my laptop that i need flash (which isn't installed) will play videos, the web maintainers have obviously setup some sites as HTML5 enabled without officially adverting it14:41
BluesKajand I i've encountered quite a few of them14:41
JiyuhenIt 'll come for the whole Net, I am cerain of it. HTML5 is a beauty14:42
BluesKajJiyuhen, it's an experiment , no flash and no pulseaudio , the audio and the gpu are both intel 14:44
JiyuhenI see14:46
BluesKajyouyube runs fine, they've already switched to HTML5 for example 14:59
BluesKajBBC hasn't yet which surprises me , the CBC here in Canada doesn't make any noise about being HTML5 ready, but it works 15:01
RiddellBBC used realplayer for years after the rest of the world had dropped it15:02
JiyuhenI never really unterstood, why realplayer was dropped. It was not a bad format. It was insanely good in compression movies.15:05
BluesKajlow res15:07
JiyuhenThey should have learned from the chinese - They got it quite right15:08
sgclarkRiddell: I am rather baffeled on khelpcenter. it is dying on doc generation.15:08
sgclarkand oxygen.. the missing files are in the install file15:09
Riddellhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9237199  anyone with an account please up-vote15:14
Riddellronnoc: you could collect the best comments from there and lwn and make a wire article :)15:17
Riddell"  * remove kwin-decoration-oxygen package, it no longer builds"15:20
Riddellsgclark: those translation files should be in kwin-decoration-oxygen but kwin-decoration-oxygen no longer exists so they are correctly listed in list missing15:21
Riddellsgclark: and debian/not-installed doesn't work with wildcards so it has "./usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/oxygen_kwin_deco.mo" but that doesn't get picked up15:21
Riddellsgclark: so solution is to fix list-missing; add all the .mo files into not-installed; or better would be just just ignore it15:22
sgclarkoh. I don't see in list-missing at all15:22
Riddellsgclark: mm looks like khelpcenter is a bad tar, someone should complain to the upstream release dude15:23
sgclarklol15:23
sgclarkhey Riddell ^15:23
Riddellwhat that scarlett? khelpcenter doesn't compile you say? the brazillian translations are stuck down an old mineshaft you say?15:25
sgclarklol15:25
mparilloWorth sharing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9237199 Even without the upvote please, is that spamming for votes? I suspect some distros do that on DistroWatch.15:43
Riddellmparillo: go ahead :)15:52
Riddellhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/02/ubuntu_15_04_flavours_vivid_vervet/16:00
Riddell"I did not encounter any serious problems in my testing, but it is a beta, of course."  weird, that sentence usually says "I did" :)16:00
BluesKajaret the dailies newer than the beta1 images?16:06
Riddellyes16:08
Riddellnew each day16:08
BluesKajthanks, Riddell, that's what I figured16:11
Riddellsgclark: new khelpcenter up on depot ready for packaging!16:12
sgclarkk16:12
sgclarkty16:12
ahoneybunRiddell: khelpcenter show Kubuntu on the side, but can;t find docs16:20
Riddellahoneybun: meh really?16:22
Riddellsgclark: breeze needs build-dep on KF5IconThemes ?16:33
Riddellsomething has happened recently where the cmake output from frameworks is moaning more about missing deps16:33
RiddellI wish I knew what16:33
* Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/03/21/plasma-release-scripting/16:35
ahoneybunRiddell: yea let me grab a screenie16:43
sgclarkRiddell: okies16:45
Riddellahoneybun: it's ok I believe you :)16:46
Riddellahoneybun: can you report a bug?16:47
JiyuhenGod I do love Kubuntu!16:53
ahoneybunRiddell: http://imgur.com/Njj2FfF16:54
RiddellI love the first comment on the hacker news article https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=923719916:54
Riddellreddit comment not quite so clever http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/2zponw/ten_years_of_kubuntu/16:56
Riddellahoneybun: can you report a bug?16:59
ahoneybunRiddell: yea against the kubuntu-docs?17:08
Riddellyep17:09
ahoneybunok so "apport kubuntu-docs" Riddell?17:11
Riddellahoneybun: or just use launchpad directly17:12
ahoneybunRiddell: apport tags it directly no?17:14
Riddellmm I don't know17:15
yofelit ads a bunch of tags, but not the kubuntu one17:15
yofel*adds17:15
ahoneybunhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/143485717:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1434857 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Docs are missing" [Undecided,New]17:24
Riddellthanks17:26
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: Riddell ping17:31
Riddellhi ovidiu-florin 17:35
ovidiu-florinI need some ideas for the featured image for each page17:36
ovidiu-florinI'm reffering to the pages available from links on the main page (nav bar and footer)17:36
Riddellovidiu-florin: example?17:42
ovidiu-florinRiddell: something that can work, if we don't have anything else: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/17:43
ovidiu-florinRiddell: this is a BIG no no: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/17:43
ovidiu-florinhint: the featured image is behind the title17:43
ovidiu-florinRiddell ahoneybun I heed feedback on how the title looks over the featured image17:44
ovidiu-florinwhat do you think?17:44
Riddellovidiu-florin: looks good as long as you can find suitable images for it :)17:46
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: thats pretty cool17:46
Riddellovidiu-florin: mostly just use KDE wallpapers?17:46
Riddellhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/plasma-workspace-wallpapers/ ?17:46
ovidiu-florinshould we stick with this design for the title? or should I use the other idea, The tile below the featured image17:47
Riddelland the one in /usr/share/wallpapers/Next/contents/images17:47
ovidiu-florinwhich will kind of separate the title from the header17:47
ovidiu-florinIMO it's better like this17:47
ovidiu-florinI'll get some feedback from other designers17:47
RiddellI'm sure the vdg group will be happy to comment, but the main objective should be to get it ready rather than worry too much about the details17:54
sgclarkRiddell: I am confused, yes the changelog says kwin-decoration-oxygen was removed but the control says otherwise and now FTBFS on missing file in that package.18:08
mparilloI went to facebook, but I prefer to leave fewer tracks. I only just noticed that Vivid did not offer a guest login option. Does sddm not have a guest account at all? Not by default?18:27
Riddellsgclark: so make sure the package is dead19:39
sgclarkRiddell: commencing the killing then. thanks19:39
KDDAanyone know of a tool for Kubuntu for file manager via ADB?21:11
valoriethe end of the last comment on Riddell's lwn article is hilarious: "Why do you (and other KDE distros) want to play Robin when in fact you are the holy Batman?"22:06
kfunkRiddell: wow, great article! great history lesson about Ubuntu, wasn't aware of all these details.22:39
kfunkand: private jets? nifty22:39
valoriecomments are fun, too22:49
KDDAwhere are you reading the article?22:52
kfunkKDDA: https://lwn.net/Articles/635880/22:52
kfunkseriously, epic article, I like it a lot. kudos22:52
ovidiu-florinRiddell: ^23:45

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