[00:18] <mparillo> valorie: for the wifi, could it be https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344600
[02:03] <valorie> hmmm, I encountered that bug before but worked around it
[02:03] <valorie> I see it's not been fixed
[02:04] <valorie> I will provide the asked-for logs now that I've rechecked "connect automatically" when I next restart
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> Good morning beautiful people 
[07:31] <gordon_> just got here after reading http://lwn.net/Articles/635880/
[07:32] <gordon_> happy birthday kubuntu :)
[07:33] <ronnoc> <3
[08:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:37] <gordon_> are there some tasks to do ?
[08:38] <gordon_> i might be able to develop something :)
[08:38] <gordon_> in my spare time
[08:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do I still need to keep the Invoices and bills for the T-shirts for FOSDEM?
[08:41] <ovidiu-florin> Should I keep them and give them to you at Akademy?
[08:42] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I have them in digital format, will that suffice?
[08:59] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: um depends, who are you wanting money back from?
[09:00] <Riddell> hi gordon_, welcome along
[09:01] <Riddell> gordon_: I don't suppose you have a printer? that autodetection needs some love
[09:01] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I already got the money
[09:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: from whom?
[09:01] <Riddell> gordon_: lots of bugs like working out what the problem is with ubiquity and non-english languages
[09:02] <Riddell> gordon_: you could get into packaging, we always have lots of that
[09:03] <Riddell> gordon_: you could work out what what we do about bug 1430893 do we switch to Fcitx
[09:12] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: KDE GB
[09:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: 514.65 to you?  digital copies of receipts for that would be nice
[09:17] <Riddell> £ that is
[09:24] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'll mail them to you 
[10:18] <Jiyuhen> Good Morning all
[10:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:30] <Riddell> hi Jiyuhen 
[10:30] <Riddell> welcome along
[10:31] <Jiyuhen> Riddell: Thank you very much
[10:53] <Riddell> hi leyyin 
[10:53] <leyyin> hi
[10:54] <Riddell> welcome along, want to become an elite kubuntu ninja? :)
[10:54] <leyyin> just hanging around, I wanted to do a gsoc this year, but plans changed :)
[10:54] <leyyin> and yes I'm on kubuntu 14.04 right now ;)
[10:55] <Riddell> bah old school, all the cool kids are testing 15.04 beta :)
[10:55] <leyyin> lts :P
[10:58] <yofel> sgclark: out of curiosity, what does 'debconf-get-selections | grep default-x-display-manager' say on your system? (You might have to install debconf-utils)
[11:07] <BluesKaj> yofel, http://pastebin.ca/2961972
[11:07] <BluesKaj> I was curious , yofel :)
[11:08] <yofel> yeah, that looks right.. I was reading sddm.postinst earlier and remembered her saying that she has no /etc/X11/default-display-manager, but looking at the postinst script that seemed strange...
[11:13] <BluesKaj>  /etc/X11/default-display-manager shows /usr/bin/sddm here, which is what I'm using by default on 15.04
[11:13] <Riddell> hi Simon_B 
[11:14] <Simon_B> Hi Riddell, it's my first time here ... just looking
[11:15] <soee> good morning
[11:15] <BluesKaj> 'morning soee
[11:44] <Riddell> Simon_B: welcome along, let us know if you want to become an elite kubuntu ninja :)
[13:20] <Jiyuhen> Riddell:  So many Ninja's :)
[13:21] <Jiyuhen> Questions on Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 5, can be asked here?
[13:27] <soee> Riddell: do we suppport Plasma5 on 14.10 through next ppa ?
[13:42] <Riddell> Jiyuhen: you can try but we mostly consider that unsupported so chances are the answer will be to upgrade to 15.04 beta
[13:42] <Riddell> soee: ↑
[13:44] <soee> Riddell: ok so this is what i just told user @ #kubuntu
[13:44] <Riddell> s/upgrade/reinstall/ is better
[13:44] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[13:47] <Jiyuhen> Riddell: Thank you.  I just realized, that I cannot add a printer and it won t recognize my external HDD. I guess, that can only be fixe by upgrading to the beta, mh?
[13:47] <Riddell> Jiyuhen: right
[13:48] <Jiyuhen> Riddell: Fun! :)
[13:53] <Jiyuhen> Riddell: I just read up on it. So I would need to do a reinstall as a direct upgrade from 14.10 with Plasma 5 is not possible. 
[13:53] <Jiyuhen> I do need more coffee :)
[13:54] <Riddell> Jiyuhen: you can try to install kubuntu-desktop and upgrade from there, but a new install is easier and more reliable I think
[13:55] <Jiyuhen> Riddell: Stupid Question - That does mean, if I run the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, it will rewerde to the previous one?
[13:55] <Riddell> Jiyuhen: it'll install plasma 4
[13:59] <Jiyuhen> Riddell: Alright. I give it a thought. 
[14:00] <Jiyuhen> Riddell: Anything, next to just install the kubuntu-desktop, I would absolutely need to do?
[14:04] <Riddell> I don't think so
[14:05] <Jiyuhen> Ok, Cheers!
[14:05] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-restricted-extras 
[14:06] <Jiyuhen> BluesKaj: mh?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> for java and flash
[14:08] <BluesKaj> plus some codecs
[14:19] <sgclark> yofel: sddm shared/default-x-dispay-manager select sddm
[14:33] <Jiyuhen> BluesKaj:  Ah ok! Thank you - Sorry a bit slow atm ;-)
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Jiyuhen, np , some users don't bother with the extras
[14:38] <Jiyuhen> BluesKaj: True that. As long HTML5 isn t the prominent way, those are quite neccessary. :)
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:38] <Jiyuhen> I am still starring at my dekstop thinking, if I really want to go back to just 4.10. :)
[14:41] <BluesKaj> altho some sites that advert to my laptop that i need flash (which isn't installed) will play videos, the web maintainers have obviously setup some sites as HTML5 enabled without officially adverting it
[14:41] <BluesKaj> and I i've encountered quite a few of them
[14:42] <Jiyuhen> It 'll come for the whole Net, I am cerain of it. HTML5 is a beauty
[14:44] <BluesKaj> Jiyuhen, it's an experiment , no flash and no pulseaudio , the audio and the gpu are both intel 
[14:46] <Jiyuhen> I see
[14:59] <BluesKaj> youyube runs fine, they've already switched to HTML5 for example 
[15:01] <BluesKaj> BBC hasn't yet which surprises me , the CBC here in Canada doesn't make any noise about being HTML5 ready, but it works 
[15:02] <Riddell> BBC used realplayer for years after the rest of the world had dropped it
[15:05] <Jiyuhen> I never really unterstood, why realplayer was dropped. It was not a bad format. It was insanely good in compression movies.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> low res
[15:08] <Jiyuhen> They should have learned from the chinese - They got it quite right
[15:08] <sgclark> Riddell: I am rather baffeled on khelpcenter. it is dying on doc generation.
[15:09] <sgclark> and oxygen.. the missing files are in the install file
[15:14] <Riddell> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9237199  anyone with an account please up-vote
[15:17] <Riddell> ronnoc: you could collect the best comments from there and lwn and make a wire article :)
[15:20] <Riddell> "  * remove kwin-decoration-oxygen package, it no longer builds"
[15:21] <Riddell> sgclark: those translation files should be in kwin-decoration-oxygen but kwin-decoration-oxygen no longer exists so they are correctly listed in list missing
[15:21] <Riddell> sgclark: and debian/not-installed doesn't work with wildcards so it has "./usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/oxygen_kwin_deco.mo" but that doesn't get picked up
[15:22] <Riddell> sgclark: so solution is to fix list-missing; add all the .mo files into not-installed; or better would be just just ignore it
[15:22] <sgclark> oh. I don't see in list-missing at all
[15:23] <Riddell> sgclark: mm looks like khelpcenter is a bad tar, someone should complain to the upstream release dude
[15:23] <sgclark> lol
[15:23] <sgclark> hey Riddell ^
[15:25] <Riddell> what that scarlett? khelpcenter doesn't compile you say? the brazillian translations are stuck down an old mineshaft you say?
[15:25] <sgclark> lol
[15:43] <mparillo> Worth sharing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9237199 Even without the upvote please, is that spamming for votes? I suspect some distros do that on DistroWatch.
[15:52] <Riddell> mparillo: go ahead :)
[16:00] <Riddell> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/02/ubuntu_15_04_flavours_vivid_vervet/
[16:00] <Riddell> "I did not encounter any serious problems in my testing, but it is a beta, of course."  weird, that sentence usually says "I did" :)
[16:06] <BluesKaj> aret the dailies newer than the beta1 images?
[16:08] <Riddell> yes
[16:08] <Riddell> new each day
[16:11] <BluesKaj> thanks, Riddell, that's what I figured
[16:12] <Riddell> sgclark: new khelpcenter up on depot ready for packaging!
[16:12] <sgclark> k
[16:12] <sgclark> ty
[16:20] <ahoneybun> Riddell: khelpcenter show Kubuntu on the side, but can;t find docs
[16:22] <Riddell> ahoneybun: meh really?
[16:33] <Riddell> sgclark: breeze needs build-dep on KF5IconThemes ?
[16:33] <Riddell> something has happened recently where the cmake output from frameworks is moaning more about missing deps
[16:33] <Riddell> I wish I knew what
[16:35]  * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/03/21/plasma-release-scripting/
[16:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: yea let me grab a screenie
[16:45] <sgclark> Riddell: okies
[16:46] <Riddell> ahoneybun: it's ok I believe you :)
[16:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun: can you report a bug?
[16:53] <Jiyuhen> God I do love Kubuntu!
[16:54] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://imgur.com/Njj2FfF
[16:54] <Riddell> I love the first comment on the hacker news article https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9237199
[16:56] <Riddell> reddit comment not quite so clever http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/2zponw/ten_years_of_kubuntu/
[16:59] <Riddell> ahoneybun: can you report a bug?
[17:08] <ahoneybun> Riddell: yea against the kubuntu-docs?
[17:09] <Riddell> yep
[17:11] <ahoneybun> ok so "apport kubuntu-docs" Riddell?
[17:12] <Riddell> ahoneybun: or just use launchpad directly
[17:14] <ahoneybun> Riddell: apport tags it directly no?
[17:15] <Riddell> mm I don't know
[17:15] <yofel> it ads a bunch of tags, but not the kubuntu one
[17:15] <yofel> *adds
[17:24] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/1434857
[17:26] <Riddell> thanks
[17:31] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: Riddell ping
[17:35] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin 
[17:36] <ovidiu-florin> I need some ideas for the featured image for each page
[17:36] <ovidiu-florin> I'm reffering to the pages available from links on the main page (nav bar and footer)
[17:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: example?
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: something that can work, if we don't have anything else: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: this is a BIG no no: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> hint: the featured image is behind the title
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell ahoneybun I heed feedback on how the title looks over the featured image
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> what do you think?
[17:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: looks good as long as you can find suitable images for it :)
[17:46] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: thats pretty cool
[17:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: mostly just use KDE wallpapers?
[17:46] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/plasma-workspace-wallpapers/ ?
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> should we stick with this design for the title? or should I use the other idea, The tile below the featured image
[17:47] <Riddell> and the one in /usr/share/wallpapers/Next/contents/images
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> which will kind of separate the title from the header
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> IMO it's better like this
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> I'll get some feedback from other designers
[17:54] <Riddell> I'm sure the vdg group will be happy to comment, but the main objective should be to get it ready rather than worry too much about the details
[18:08] <sgclark> Riddell: I am confused, yes the changelog says kwin-decoration-oxygen was removed but the control says otherwise and now FTBFS on missing file in that package.
[18:27] <mparillo> I went to facebook, but I prefer to leave fewer tracks. I only just noticed that Vivid did not offer a guest login option. Does sddm not have a guest account at all? Not by default?
[19:39] <Riddell> sgclark: so make sure the package is dead
[19:39] <sgclark> Riddell: commencing the killing then. thanks
[21:11] <KDDA> anyone know of a tool for Kubuntu for file manager via ADB?
[22:06] <valorie> the end of the last comment on Riddell's lwn article is hilarious: "Why do you (and other KDE distros) want to play Robin when in fact you are the holy Batman?"
[22:39] <kfunk> Riddell: wow, great article! great history lesson about Ubuntu, wasn't aware of all these details.
[22:39] <kfunk> and: private jets? nifty
[22:49] <valorie> comments are fun, too
[22:52] <KDDA> where are you reading the article?
[22:52] <kfunk> KDDA: https://lwn.net/Articles/635880/
[22:52] <kfunk> seriously, epic article, I like it a lot. kudos
[23:45] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^