[00:35] <Jiyuhen> it works!
[00:39] <soee> ;]
[00:49] <Jiyuhen> soee:  ^_^
[02:12] <valorie> Jiyuhen: \o/
[02:12] <Jiyuhen> valorie:  Cheers!
[02:13] <valorie> have fun with it
[02:13] <Jiyuhen> I noticed, that the Software manager is gone. But those things, can be installed by the terminal
[02:13] <valorie> and join #kubuntu-devel when you feel like helping out
[02:13] <valorie> muon discover is there by default, is it not?
[02:13] <Jiyuhen> valorie: Thank you ! I am already playing around with it
[02:13] <valorie> we don't use the ubuntu software center
[02:13] <Jiyuhen> I am really just a n00b but , I join
[02:14] <Jiyuhen> that is what I meant
[02:14] <valorie> muon discover is a software center type application, rather than the package manager I prefer
[02:14] <Jiyuhen> Need to watch my termonoligy :P
[02:14] <valorie> there are lots of packages, and you can use anything in the repos safely, no matter where it comes from
[02:15] <valorie> including unity stuff, gnome, xfce, etc.
[02:15] <Jiyuhen> So , better use the packages manager like synapsis in place of moun discover?
[02:16] <valorie> I prefer muon package manager myself
[02:16] <valorie> but mostly I just use the cli unless I'm testing
[02:16] <valorie> but really, is discover not there?
[02:16] <valorie> use alt+space
[02:16] <valorie> type discover
[02:17] <valorie>  or maybe we changed it back to alt+f2
[02:17] <Jiyuhen> alt + space and alt+f2 are working both
[02:17] <valorie> this is a fresh install of vivid beta and I have it by default
[02:17] <valorie> oh good
[02:17] <valorie> krunner is the unknown star of KDE
[02:18] <Jiyuhen> Now this is interesting! I couldn 't find it in the menues
[02:18] <valorie> hmmm
[02:18] <valorie> that sounds like a bug
[02:18] <Jiyuhen> But yes, it is there and it opens
[02:18] <valorie> when I type to search the menu, it's there for me
[02:18] <valorie> `sudo apt install whatever` is quicker
[02:19] <valorie> but sometimes I use muon package manager to search for stuff or list dependencies or something
[02:19] <valorie> good
[02:20] <valorie> be sure to file bugs when you see something that bugs you
[02:20] <Jiyuhen> the package manager did load up. The synapsis one did not.
[02:20] <valorie> synaptic
[02:20] <Jiyuhen> I will.
[02:20] <valorie> not installed by default since muon package manager is better, and maintained
[02:20] <valorie> imo
[02:20] <Jiyuhen> I am now downloading somthing from Moun-Discover to see if it works
[02:20] <valorie> my opinion is not universally agreed with however
[02:21] <valorie> it works
[02:21] <Jiyuhen> I had them installed
[02:21] <valorie> it just doesn't list everything I perhaps want
[02:21] <Jiyuhen> Good question.
[02:22] <Jiyuhen> I am checking now, if I still can mount CD's and or DVD's
[04:25] <hammerandtongs_> whats the systemd service that starts X11 on kubuntu 15.04?
[04:25] <zenfox> is everyone here on plasma5?
[04:27] <hammerandtongs_> probably a mix of installs with this many people in channel
[04:27] <hammerandtongs_> do you have a specific question?
[04:29] <zenfox> i'm on a virtualbox and i'm having problems exposing the samba shared folders to the windows host
[04:31] <zenfox> it doesn't detect kubuntu on the network at all
[04:31] <valorie> I've heard about problems with VB recently
[04:51] <hammerandtongs_> anyone know whats the systemd service that starts X11 on kubuntu 15.04?
[04:52] <valorie> probably sddm
[04:52] <hammerandtongs_> thank you
[04:52] <valorie> recently there has been a bug where you have to start sddm manually from the console: `systemctl start sddm`
[04:53] <hammerandtongs_> that sounds right
[04:53] <hammerandtongs_> and yes
[04:53] <valorie> so far the devels are baffled
[04:53] <hammerandtongs_> thats why i asked :D
[04:53] <hammerandtongs_> yah beta booted fine
[04:53] <valorie> help welcome
[04:53] <hammerandtongs_> but the upgrade started this problem
[04:55] <valorie> fresh install here
[04:55] <valorie> it is a definite blocker bug
[04:56] <hammerandtongs_> heh
[04:56] <hammerandtongs_> gives everyone a chance to acquaint themselves with systemd :D
[04:57] <hammerandtongs_> which i quite like
[04:57] <valorie> it was working well for a few days, until something mysterious happened
[04:57] <hammerandtongs_> but is a big change
[04:57] <valorie> yes, pretty big
[05:02] <kramer3d> hi
[05:03] <hammerandtongs_> ./wave
[05:03] <kramer3d> hammerandtongs_, im downloading 12.04
[05:04] <hammerandtongs_> thats pretty conservative
[05:04] <kramer3d> if i let it upgrade... will it stop at 14.04 or upgrade to 14.10
[05:04] <kramer3d> lol i had the cd lying around
[05:04] <valorie> that sounds like the slow way to do things
[05:04] <hammerandtongs_> it should stop at 14.10
[05:04] <kramer3d> damnit
[05:05] <hammerandtongs_> well thats configurable
[05:05] <valorie> a fresh install of 14.10 or even vivid beta would be much faster
[05:05] <hammerandtongs_> in the software sources
[05:05] <hammerandtongs_> 14.10 is a good one to be at
[05:05] <valorie> you can do 12.04 > 14.04
[05:05] <kramer3d> ok
[05:05] <valorie> and then tell it not to be LTS anymore
[05:05] <valorie> but geez that's slow
[05:06] <hammerandtongs_> yah you are essentially going to end up downloading a whole distribution or two anyway
[05:06] <valorie> just torrent the beta if you want plasma 5
[05:06] <kramer3d> i might not even upgrade, idc to polish up my OS now, im only trying to use kicad
[05:06] <kramer3d> on linux
[05:06] <valorie> or 14.10 for stable plasma 4
[05:06] <hammerandtongs_> sounds like he doesnt want plasma 5 yet
[05:06] <hammerandtongs_> its still early
[05:06]  * valorie uses it daily
[05:07] <hammerandtongs_> not familiar with kicad
[05:07] <kramer3d> i can keep 12.04 and just update the kernel right?
[05:07] <kramer3d> its a pcb design software
[05:07] <hammerandtongs_> ah
[05:07] <hammerandtongs_> well it probably doesnt matter how recent the desktop is
[05:07] <hammerandtongs_> where are you getting the binary for kicad?
[05:07] <kramer3d> yea
[05:07] <kramer3d> from synaptic
[05:08] <hammerandtongs_> well then 14.10 is probably best choice
[05:08] <kramer3d> it should be in the main sources
[05:08] <kramer3d> or whatever
[05:08] <kramer3d> hmm
[05:08] <hammerandtongs_> or find a static binary of kicad from their website
[05:08] <hammerandtongs_> and run 12.04
[05:08] <kramer3d> ya i might do that
[05:08] <kramer3d> anyways... new to KDE and stuff
[05:08] <kramer3d> whats a good irc client?
[05:09] <valorie> konversation
[05:09] <valorie> is my favorite
[05:09] <kramer3d> is it prettier than quassel?
[05:09] <hammerandtongs_> i use shell clients usually
[05:09] <valorie> imo yes
[05:09] <hammerandtongs_> but i clicked the easy link to get here this eve :D
[05:11] <valorie> :-)
[05:11] <hammerandtongs_> i notice display-manager.service doesnt resolve
[05:11] <valorie> quassel has been the default for a few years
[05:11] <kramer3d> ok the screen is blank
[05:11] <kramer3d> xD
[05:12] <kramer3d> i jsut finished installing
[05:12] <valorie> we're moving back to konversation because it is already ported to Qt5
[05:12] <kramer3d> no cursor or anthing
[05:12] <hammerandtongs_> even though sddm.service claims to be an alias for it
[05:12] <valorie> installing what, kramer3d?
[05:12] <kramer3d> i finished installing 12.04
[05:12] <kramer3d> then it rebooted
[05:13] <kramer3d> its completely black
[05:13] <kramer3d> a black screen
[05:13] <kramer3d> maybe i should kill it
[05:13] <kramer3d> power cycle
[05:14] <hammerandtongs_> you installed to a vm?
[05:14] <kramer3d> no
[05:14] <hammerandtongs_> all kinds of potential subtleties there
[05:15] <kramer3d> hmm
[05:15] <hammerandtongs_> did you get a boot or just past the machine posting?
[05:15] <kramer3d> ah
[05:16] <kramer3d> i had my second monitor hooked up
[05:16] <kramer3d> that was doing something
[05:16] <hammerandtongs_> hehe
[05:16] <kramer3d> unplugged, now its fine
[05:21] <hammerandtongs_> so for the systemd and sddm bug
[05:21] <hammerandtongs_> from what ive found
[05:22] <hammerandtongs_> systemctl enable sddm
[05:22] <hammerandtongs_> was not run
[05:22] <hammerandtongs_> there was no link to display-manager.service
[05:22] <hammerandtongs_> ill try a reboot but id guess this fixes it
[05:23] <hammerandtongs_> yep
[05:23] <hammerandtongs_> thats the fix
[05:24] <hammerandtongs_> is the dpkg of sddm enabling itself?
[05:25] <kramer3d> oh shit
[05:25] <kramer3d> i plugged in second monitor
[05:25] <kramer3d> and then options dialog came
[05:26] <kramer3d> i clicked enable
[05:26] <kramer3d> it goes blank
[05:26] <kramer3d> =/
[05:26] <kramer3d> ok maybe i should upgrade
[05:26] <hammerandtongs_> as a general rule
[05:26] <hammerandtongs_> with opensource software its best to track 3-6 months back from bleeding edge in a distro
[05:27] <hammerandtongs_> more bugs get worked out over time
[05:27] <valorie> 12.04 is very old
[05:29] <hammerandtongs_> fwiw
[05:29] <hammerandtongs_> if you want to take the time
[05:29] <hammerandtongs_> there is probably a way to poke the x server
[05:29] <hammerandtongs_> from the command line
[05:29] <hammerandtongs_> but you may not have the option if you arent setup
[05:30] <hammerandtongs_> did you check my fix valorie?
[05:32] <valorie> I'm not sure what you mean
[05:33] <hammerandtongs_> systemctl enable sddm
[05:33] <hammerandtongs_> hasn't been done it looks like
[05:33] <hammerandtongs_> ie why 15.04 stops at shell
[05:34] <valorie> but we don't know what that isn't happening automatically
[05:35] <valorie> I told you about that command
[05:35] <valorie> it has been needed for the past week or 10 days
[05:35] <hammerandtongs_> ah sorry i misread :)
[05:35] <kramer3d> im upgrading to 14.04 through the distribution upgrade pop-up that i got.... can i go to bed while i let this run?
[05:35] <hammerandtongs_> well i look in the sddm dpkg source i guess
[05:35] <kramer3d> or will it make me click next next
[05:36] <valorie> you can let it run but it won't finish without you
[05:36] <kramer3d> :[
[05:36] <kramer3d> 9_9
[05:37] <hammerandtongs_> `systemctl start sddm` i think is what you said
[05:38] <hammerandtongs_> enable is different
[05:38] <d3remark> thanks homies
[05:38] <d3remark> im gonna sleep  now
[05:38] <d3remark> o/
[05:40] <valorie> ok, I'll try that next time
[05:41] <valorie> thank you, hammerandtongs_
[05:41] <hammerandtongs_> enable doesnt look like its being done
[05:41] <hammerandtongs_> in the sddm package
[05:42] <hammerandtongs_> i dont see it in the source
[05:42] <hammerandtongs_> but im not sure what the proper behaviour is in debian
[05:47] <hammerandtongs_> i think the bug is in debian/sddm.postinst
[05:48] <hammerandtongs_> the logic under
[05:48] <hammerandtongs_> # set default-display-manager
[05:48] <hammerandtongs_> doesnt look correct
[05:48] <hammerandtongs_> its duplicative to just running
[05:49] <hammerandtongs_> systemctl enable sddm
[06:11] <valorie> hammerandtongs_: can you please write the above to kubuntu-devel list?
[06:12] <valorie> and work with yofel fixing this perhaps?
[08:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:05] <MoonUnit`> morning
[08:06] <lordievader> Hey MoonUnit`
[10:18] <Jiyuhen> Morning all
[10:20] <Haudegen> Riddell: The current lightdm updates cause problems with special characters (UTF-8) in the kio-slave for files.  At least for me.
[10:22] <Haudegen> Riddell: I downgraded them yesterday, but unattended-upgrades reinstalled the 1.12.3 packages.
[10:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:29] <MoonUnit`> hi BluesKaj
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hi MoonUnit`
[11:15] <soee> good morning
[13:03] <siom> hi there, how can I connect the root partition and the second partition (both ext4) in an efi/gpt system to one bigger partition?
[13:04] <siom> (withoud crashing my complete system? -> kubuntu stable)
[13:06] <soee> uh i dont know that, BluesKaj maybe ^
[13:07] <BluesKaj> siom, the other ext partitions should show up in dolphin decices
[13:07] <BluesKaj> devices rather
[13:09] <soee> BluesKaj: i think e wants to merge 2 partitions into single
[13:11] <BluesKaj> siom, that's easy but goodbye to the data
[13:12] <siom> soee: right... I want to merge the two partitions...
[13:13] <BluesKaj>  siom I assume you want to save the data, so you'll need to back it up to another drive or partition
[13:13] <siom> I got encrypted homeDIR atm. and / is always full..
[13:14] <siom> right.. I could backup the data.. but since one of the two partitions I want to merge is / ....I would loose my root-fs...which means I had to reinstall then?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> siom, what else have you put in / besides the OS, or is it small?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> i don't understand why you ewant to merge / and /home
[13:22] <mementomori> Hi. I just installed KDE on my Ubuntu 14.10 using ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next (kubuntu-plasma5-desktop package). When I log in everything seems to be working fine except icons in the application launcher are plain black.
[13:22] <mementomori> How can I solve this issue?
[13:23] <siom> BluesKaj: I dont want to merge / and /home.  / and /home is on the same part. .. then I have the next part. named /storage  which is very big... now my homedir which is at / is too big... and so / is always full...
[13:24] <soee> mementomori: i think plasma-next is obsolate, you shouldn't use it
[13:24] <soee> mementomori: if you want to test Plasma5, download Vivid beta or dailt build
[13:25] <siom> BluesKaj: / is about 36 GB.. thought it would be enough... but although I dont have much inside my homedir.. / is always almost full...
[13:25] <BluesKaj> siom, so you don't have a /home partition, it's just / with a home dir
[13:26] <siom> BluesKaj: right...
[13:26] <mementomori> soee: thanks, I didn't know it's obsolete
[13:26] <BluesKaj> 36G is a bit small for a linux partiiton fro the OS and data
[13:27] <SporkWitch> i have two kubuntu 14.04 LTS machines installed from the same media, username is the same on both, password same on both.  in settings -> sharing i have the same username and password.  i've shared my music, video, and picture folders by right click -> share, checked the share with samba box, allow guests, and under perms i gave my account full control and everyone read access.  the second machine
[13:28] <SporkWitch> can see the shares in dolphin, when i try to browse the individual shared folder it prompts for password, but then says access is denied.  any clues?
[13:28] <SporkWitch> the machine sharing the folders has an encrypted home folder, however the account is logged in, screen not locked.  could this still be the issue?
[13:33] <MoonUnit`> have you tried mounting the shares in fstab?
[13:34] <siom> I still remember the times when linux fitted on a floppydisk :)
[13:35] <SporkWitch> MoonUnit`: i've not.  the real goal was for non-computer devices like my PS3 and TV to be able to browse the shares, only noticed the access issue when i was trying to troubleshoot why the other devices didn't see the share at all
[13:42] <d3remark> hi
[13:42] <kramer3d> i just installed 14.04 and it seems all the updates are applied
[13:42] <kramer3d> im still having the monitor issue
[13:42] <kramer3d> i plug in the second monitor and everything goes black
[13:45] <soee> kramer3d: on both ?
[13:46] <soee> and it looks liek kde crash or just screns go black ?
[13:46] <kramer3d> screens go black
[13:46] <kramer3d> the second monitor isnt even getting a signal
[13:47] <MoonUnit`> KDE connect seems a bit flaky, just had to ping the desktop before it knew the phone was there.
[13:48] <soee> MoonUnit`: if i enable wifi on my phone, after few seconds are have it visible on desktop widget
[13:49] <soee> so thers no need to send ping for me
[13:49] <MoonUnit`> it was connected earlier but looked a minute ago and there was no connection.
[14:10] <kramer3d> ok ive installed nvidia drivers
[14:10] <kramer3d> and nouveau is listed as blacklisted
[14:10] <kramer3d> but its still showing up as my kernel driver in use
[14:12] <BluesKaj> kramer3d, which nvidia driver, did you choose the recommended nvidia driver, ? if so then there's no need to blacklist nouveau
[14:13] <kramer3d> im lookin at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/112302/how-do-i-disable-the-nouveau-kernel-driver
[14:13] <kramer3d> im confused
[14:13] <kramer3d> does he want me to use
[14:13] <kramer3d> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodest"
[14:13] <kramer3d> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"
[14:14] <BluesKaj> did you install the propriestary driver from nvidi's website ?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> nvidia's website that is
[14:14] <kramer3d> i got it from kubuntu update drivers
[14:14] <SporkWitch> MoonUnit`: the main thing with kde connect is to make sure you add their repo and install from that; the one in the *buntu repos is REALLY out of date
[14:14] <kramer3d> it was the latest and recommended nvidia driver (311)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> kramer3d, which nvidia gpu do you have ?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> and have you rebooted since installing the 311 driver ?
[14:16] <SporkWitch> ^
[14:17] <SporkWitch> there aren't very many things that require a restart, but graphics drivers are one of them (technically only need to restart X, but the easiest way to do that is usually a complete reboot)
[14:19] <kramer3d> BluesKaj, yes, Geforce GS9600 GS
[14:19] <SporkWitch> whoa, dinosaure, heh
[14:20] <SporkWitch> s/re/r
[14:20] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, that's still a decent gpu for most purposes
[14:21] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: general use yeah, gaming not so much, especially if you're stuck with the performance hit from emulation
[14:21] <kramer3d> BluesKaj, ive given up
[14:21] <kramer3d> -_-
[14:22] <SporkWitch> does the 311 driver support that card?
[14:22] <kramer3d> yea
[14:22] <SporkWitch> kramer3d: have you tried rebooting with the second monitor connected?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> well, SporkWitch VMs never did much for me and I'm not a gamer, so my perspective is definitely different than yours :)
[14:23] <kramer3d> yeah both monitors go blank
[14:23] <kramer3d> SporkWitch, i meant to say nvidia 331 btw
[14:23] <BluesKaj> the 331 is even better, kramer3d
[14:23] <kramer3d> this is really terrible..... i hate how they dont implement the 10 second preview them switch back
[14:24] <kramer3d> when you want to change monitors
[14:24] <kramer3d> or display settings
[14:24] <SporkWitch> hmmm
[14:24] <kramer3d> one mistake and your done for
[14:25] <SporkWitch> really not sure what the issue could be; haven't run on a card that old, but 14.04's always behaved for me with multiple monitors with nvidia...
[14:27]  * kramer3d gives up and orders a macbook
[14:27] <kramer3d> jk ill try later
[14:27] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: yeah, i run a lot of VMs so i don't need to use the labs on campus, and i do pretty high-end gaming (this machine needs to eventually run star citizen once they finally get the linux client out)
[14:28] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: 16GB of RAM is nice on an OS that knows how to use it ^^
[14:28] <SporkWitch> kramer3d: so hold on, is this a laptop or a desktop?
[14:29] <kramer3d> desktop
[14:29]  * BluesKaj just uses one large monitor/my TV ...avoids all kinds multiple monitor problems, but this is my media server pc so it requirements are pretty basic
[14:29] <kramer3d> SporkWitch, 1 monitor works, when i plug in #2, both go black
[14:29] <SporkWitch> kramer3d: yeah, was just wondering, because i HAVE had issues when trying to connect a second display to a laptop, just not on a desktop
[14:33] <SporkWitch> kramer3d: as an experiment, have you tried plugging the single monitor into the second port by itself?
[14:33] <SporkWitch> (maybe something wrong with the card?)
[14:33] <kramer3d> doing it now
[14:33] <kramer3d> lol
[14:35] <SporkWitch> kramer3d: should i take your silence as indication that it's a problem with the card when something's plugged into that second port?
[14:35] <kramer3d> no you hsould take my silence as severe pain  on a saturday morning where i didnt want to be dealing with this bullshit and also i have to go to work soon and i hate working weekends
[14:36] <SporkWitch> fair enough
[14:36] <BluesKaj> bummer
[14:36] <SporkWitch> well, at least we've eliminated the port as the problem, right? PROGRESS!
[14:38] <SporkWitch> and at least your second monitor WORKS, so if we can figure out the problem you'll have two screens; my 600 dollar monitor died recently, i've been reduced to a single screen for the first time in a decade >_<
[14:39] <kramer3d> lol
[14:39] <kramer3d> SporkWitch, ... i had second monitor plugged in only
[14:40] <kramer3d> then i plugged in first
[14:40] <kramer3d> that worked =/
[14:40] <kramer3d> pos.......
[16:01] <yossarianuk> I have decided to update my desktop to 15.04...
[16:02] <yossarianuk> would I be better off getting the beta or a nighly .iso ?
[16:04] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Effectively it will come down to the same thing. Unless you refuse to update the beta.
[16:05] <yossarianuk> ok cheers ii.e nightly is beta+updates..
[16:06] <yossarianuk> can i ask what kernel is being used - i.e 3.19 ?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, the daily should be the latest
[16:08] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic vivid
[17:09] <yossarianuk> lordievader: cheers!
[17:09] <yossarianuk> any ideas when BTRFS will be default filesystem BTW?
[17:09] <sasuke> copying got stuck on kubuntu !! any solution ?
[19:11] <hingle_mccringle> Hello, I'm a US user and I was wondering how to uninstall patented codecs - have Fluendo codecs instead.
[19:13] <hingle_mccringle> I'm on Kubuntu 14.04
[19:18] <soee> hingle_mccringle: protected ?
[19:19] <soee> restrcted sextras are installed with package: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:19] <soee> *restricted
[19:19] <soee> if you want to remove them, uninstall this package
[19:19] <hingle_mccringle> soee that's a meta package, right? So uninstalling it will not remove the codecs?
[19:19] <hingle_mccringle> oh it will, ok
[19:19] <hingle_mccringle> :)
[19:20] <soee> than try also sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:20] <hingle_mccringle> ok, trying now
[19:21] <hingle_mccringle> kubuntu-restricted-extras is not installed, but kubuntu-restricted-addons is.  Is that what I need to remove
[19:23] <hingle_mccringle> I removed that file
[23:18] <SporkWitch> so i just enabled a second virtual desktop, and suddenly all my widgets are gone, wallpaper is gone, panel is gone, cashew is gone, and right clicking on what is now the blank black desktop (on either virtual desktop) does not bring up a context menu as it should... closest equivalent description would be if explorer.exe crashed in windows.  is there a particular process i should start manually
[23:19] <SporkWitch> from alt+f2? or is it probably safe enough to reboot from the command line and it should restore itself after reboot?
[23:26] <SporkWitch> resolved, looks like plasma-desktop crashed, just had to manually restart it
[23:29] <soee> :)
[23:30] <SporkWitch> soee: so yeah, basically exactly like explorer.exe shitting the bed lol
[23:31] <SporkWitch> scared the crap out of me, because x11 / DE issues are always hell to fix
[23:31] <valorie> SporkWitch: in what version of kubuntu?
[23:31] <SporkWitch> valorie: 14.04 LTS
[23:31] <valorie> ah
[23:32] <valorie> yes, it used to do that
[23:32] <SporkWitch> valorie: crash triggered instantly on hitting "apply" after all i did was change number of virtual desktops to 2
[23:32] <valorie> got more stable by 14.10
[23:32] <SporkWitch> never encountered it before, and i've been using 14.04 since it came out
[23:32] <valorie> and even better in Vivid beta imo
[23:32] <valorie> most strange
[23:32] <SporkWitch> fair enough; i mostly stick to LTS releases, because i honestly just don't have the time for troubleshooting with my courseload; have enough of that to do with the assignments themselves :P
[23:32] <valorie> if it is reproducable, you could file a bug
[23:33] <valorie> however, work is mostly happening in plasma 5 these days
[23:33] <SporkWitch> yeah, i'll probably mess about with it later.  got a huge project coming up, so was making some adjustments to improve workflow for it
[23:33] <valorie> I hear ya
[23:33] <valorie> sure, and a beta is always chancy
[23:33] <valorie> just have been very lucky so far
[23:33] <SporkWitch> exactly; that's why i use kubuntu in the first place instead of arch or gentoo: it just works
[23:34] <valorie> glitches are easy to work around and hopefully will be solved by release
[23:34] <SporkWitch> nice :)
[23:34] <soee> 2 screens works perfect for me in Vivid beta :) doesn't matter if i connect small screen or TV through hdmi
[23:34] <SporkWitch> yeah, i'm looking forward to the next LTS
[23:34] <soee> *work
[23:34] <SporkWitch> well it wouldn't have normally been an issue, but my second monitor just crapped out :'(
[23:34] <valorie> boo
[23:34] <SporkWitch> (was the expensive one, too, 120Hz)
[23:35] <SporkWitch> yeah; it's like being blind in one eye, only having one display again >_<
[23:35] <snypz> try KDE
[23:35] <snypz> and just use the apps you need
[23:35] <SporkWitch> snypz: already resolved, plasma-desktop crashed, just had to launch it again via alt+f2
[23:36] <soee> valorie: do you know how long old KDE wil be supported by devs ?
[23:36] <SporkWitch> as far as using the apps i need, i am: browser, telepathy, and konsole
[23:36] <snypz> laptop did not crash
[23:36] <soee> i think i read somewhere about it but can't rememebr now
[23:37] <soee> SporkWitch: jump to Vivid when it is released :)
[23:37] <valorie> quite awhile for security updates
[23:37] <soee> for now you can test Beta live session for example
[23:37] <valorie> for everything else, not sure
[23:38] <SporkWitch> soee: like i mentioned a moment ago, i like to stick to the LTS releases
[23:38] <SporkWitch> but i'm looking forward to 16.04 next year
[23:38] <soee> :)
[23:39] <valorie> that should be uber-stable indeed
[23:39] <SporkWitch> and now to figure out why konsole widget doesn't work when aptitude says i have pykde installed...
[23:39] <valorie> konsole widget?
[23:39] <valorie> or yakuake
[23:40] <SporkWitch> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=142753
[23:40] <valorie> pretty old
[23:40] <SporkWitch> wanted more room than yakuake for editing a large project in vim, and wanted a solution more persistent than simply making an instance of konsole borderless and take up the whole desktop
[23:41] <SporkWitch> valorie: still shows in the "get plugins" dialog in KDE, though; that's where i installed it from
[23:41] <SporkWitch> get widgets, rather
[23:41] <valorie> yakuke can be made larger, it can tab, etc.
[23:41] <valorie> sure
[23:41] <valorie> I'm not saying don't use it
[23:41] <SporkWitch> plasmacon misbehaves as well
[23:41] <valorie> simply: I <3 yakuake
[23:42] <SporkWitch> valorie: yeah, it's just different use-cases.  yakuake is great for basic editing and executing commands without losing my whole screen to the terminal, but i also wanted a fullscreen editor.  maybe i'll write the yakuake team a suggestion to support multiple sizes: one hotkey for one size, a second hotkey for another, because if that were an option it'd be a perfect solution
[23:43] <SporkWitch> i could have my compact one for general stuff, and my fullscreen one for editing
[23:45] <SporkWitch> a ha! looks like it needed plasma-scriptengine-python
[23:45] <SporkWitch> victory is mine!
[23:59] <kubuntuplasma5> yall sure quassel isn't hexchat
[23:59] <SporkWitch> kvirc 4 lyfe yo