=== thelionroars1337 is now known as thelionroars [10:06] Q: Aquaris E 4.5 Ubuntu Edition && How to SSH into the phone via Wifi or USB? | http://askubuntu.com/q/599805 [10:31] Does anyone know what Ubuntu release I need to connect the Aquaris to my PC? 12.04 elementary doesnt work. [11:34] welp :( it's more than a month since i can't run a devel-proposed image due to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goget-ubuntu-touch/+bug/1423459 [11:34] Ubuntu bug 1423459 in goget-ubuntu-touch (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-emulator create fails for devel-proposed: Failed to unmount temp dir where system image was created" [High,Confirmed] [11:37] mardy, ping! [12:00] Elleo, hiya [12:02] Is this where ubuntu phone developers communicate? It feels rather... silent. [12:04] it's sunday [12:04] some might even say sunday morning [12:04] * cwayne would say that :) [12:05] Well, getting two responses it isn't that silent after all :) Good ol' irc [12:06] heh [12:25] hello, is it possible to link the calendar from ubuntu touch with (from KDE) KOrganizer [12:26] Now that's what I call patience [13:06] awww I want to turn my bq phone into write-read mode to toy around with apt-get but I'm scared I'll break it [13:06] Just how hard can I brick it? Will I always be able to recue from adb/fastboot? [13:09] brunch875, installing things fine but beaware anything that uses X doesn't work [13:10] as long as u aren't deleteing shit its highly improable ull break anything [13:10] That's reassuring. I toy around on my desktop knowing that I can just plug the LiveUSB and format everything in case anything goes wrong. [13:11] I wanted to know ifI could mess up my phone to a point that it won't listen to USB connection anymore [13:12] I still remember that android a friend gave me because it was completely locked down, ignored adb and fastboot [13:13] some "protection" crap HTC plugged into it rendered it unusable [13:13] so he flashed cyanogenmod and it wouldn't boot nor accept USB connection anymore [13:16] cwayne: heya? [13:16] hi there. I'm a noob trying to install Ubuntu on a backup drive on my desktop. My only problem right now is: I can't read the Ubuntu install instructions on the screen. The display is a bit out of whack. Is there an easy fix..so I can actually see what I'm doing? [13:16] brunch875: also, don't apt-get upgrade, that'll almost certainly make it hard to use [13:16] Elleo, hey, just wondering if cutespotify was using media-hub, I saw someone on reddit saying music shut off when the screen turned off [13:17] cody__: you probably want #ubuntu [13:17] cwayne: I've added /custom stuff to our proposed stories for our team's next sprint by the way, will find out tomorrow whether it actually gets scheduled for this cycle though [13:17] 10-4 thanks [13:17] Elleo, perfect! [13:17] cwayne: nope, unfortunately it's impossible to use media hub for spotify stuff [13:17] Elleo, ah, that's too bad [13:17] cwayne: libspotify doesn't provide access to music files in any sensible way, it just provides a constant stream of raw audio packets [13:21] ah, yeah [13:22] Hello, are the drivers for E4.5 phone free ? [13:23] in android, the painful issue were that almost all phones had non-free drivers for WiFi, GPS & so on, hence making the jobs of porting custom ROMs a headache [13:24] AnAnt: I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. Ubuntu Touch uses a container with Android to run the drivers on other phones, and I think it's the same on that phone, since it was originally with android [13:24] makes porting ubuntu touch a headache as well, manufacturers simply don't make any other drivers [13:25] is there even a difference between the E4.5 ubuntu edition and the android one? [13:26] it should be the same HW [13:31] I hope some split of money from the BQ sales goes to the ubuntu developers [13:32] that's the only reason I bought the new E4.5; otherwise I would have gotten the bigger one and flashed ubuntu to it [13:33] rsalveti, did that initrd fix ever land? [13:33] so, is the Ubuntu phone upgradable via apt-get ? or only by flashing pre-built images ? [13:34] AnAnt, it technically is, but that will break OTA updates [13:34] yeah, better using OTA updates [13:34] they're tested, apt-get isn't [13:34] erm, and can I download apps using apt-get or that would break OTA too ? [13:34] you have to make it writable to do that [13:34] which breaks OTA [13:35] making writable doesn't _break_ ota [13:35] as such [13:35] by break I meant disable [13:35] you can still OTA, but you don't get delta updates, you get full updates every time [13:35] it doest [13:35] nope [13:35] does it not? [13:35] no [13:35] it just makes them less good :) [13:35] woah hey, me spreading misinformation! [13:35] ok, that doesn't seem much of an issue [13:35] just don't upgrade or dist-upgrade [13:36] that likely _will_ "break" it [13:36] in a way that you can unbreak it by reflashing [13:36] but break in terms of unity probably wont start [13:36] or it starts but you can't see anything, or touch breaks, or wifi breaks or ... etc [13:36] oh ! [13:36] but "apt-get install nmap" would probably be fine. [13:36] btw, anyone tried gnome-shell on ubuntu phone ? or is that an overkill ? [13:36] hahah [13:36] no [13:36] that wont work [13:37] gnome shell needs wayland or x [13:37] we have neither on the phone [13:37] popey: MIR ? [13:37] yes, we have mir [13:37] and wayland doesn't work with ubuntu phone ? [13:38] i dont think we have ever tried [13:38] so proably confident to say "no" [13:38] is it even possible to get wayland on the desktop? [13:38] !info wayland [13:38] bah, stupid bot [13:38] haha [13:38] Package wayland does not exist in utopic [13:39] I thought so... [13:39] its probably weston or something [13:39] !info weston [13:39] weston (source: weston): reference implementation of a wayland compositor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.0-2ubuntu1 (utopic), package size 460 kB, installed size 2892 kB (Only available for linux-any) [13:39] there you go [13:39] ooo [13:40] I wonder if it's possible to apt-get git [13:40] doesn't the ARM architecture get in the way? [13:42] in the way of what? [13:42] proprietary x86 only apps, sure. [13:43] There are x86 tablets and phones though :) [13:43] so a tip I would suggest [13:43] don't apt-get stuff, if it's just a single binary you need... [13:43] e.g. I wanted ncdu on my phone, but didn't want to go read-write, so instead I grabbed the ncdu armhf debian package from the archive.. [13:44] that's perhaps the most sane advice, really [13:44] unpacked it (on my desktop) with "ar -x foo.deb" and then found the binary and stuck it in /home/phablet/bin on my phone [13:45] if you create ~/bin on the phone it will be added to the path - just like the desktop [13:45] so stick all your utilities in there [13:46] i have ar, bc and ncdu in my ~/bin [13:46] ncdu is super handy for seeing what's eating up disk space [13:46] that's handy! [13:46] although I hate polluting home with programs :P [13:46] heh [13:46] I'm used to putting almost everything in /opt [13:46] understandable. [13:47] you could do that [13:47] but you'd need to modify your path [13:47] good suggestion actually. [13:47] Also, I have put my laptop (and my home server) ssh key into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, and backup my phone over ssh using rsync, every day [13:48] useful when you don't have dropbox uploading your photos [13:49] sounds complicated. The only way I know of 'enabling' ssh is by installing via apt-get openssh-server [13:50] but I'm still a young padawan [13:50] hah [13:50] aren't we all [13:50] I guess we are :) [13:50] :) [13:51] * popey wanders off to play minecraft for a bit [14:07] rsalveti, ping. [14:10] erm, why install a deb using 'ar -x' instead of dpkg -i ? [14:11] this too needs the 'read-write' thing ? [14:12] dpkg is a package manager, ar is... just to unzip? [14:13] I've never used it, but from the man pages it looks like just a zipping tool [14:13] yes [14:14] dpkg modifies part of the read-only stuff [14:14] the idea behind using ar is to unzip your program in your home folder and launch it from there [14:14] I see [14:16] correct me if I'm wrong, but apt-get just makes it easier to use dpkg [14:16] AnAnt: ar -x unpacks it [14:16] to get the bianries out [14:19] I like that this channel suddenly became busier in the last few days since people received devices [14:19] it's great, yeah. Once I received mine I wanted to become a dev [14:19] but that'll have to wait until summer if I don't want to fail college :\ [14:20] lol [14:21] heh [14:21] wise [14:21] We don't advocate people playing with stuff and flunking out. Plenty of time for playing with stufff later :) [14:26] /usr/local is read-only [14:26] and yet empty! [14:28] mardy, heya, are there any examples of using basic auth with OA [14:58] AnAnt: ar is just an archive format, used by dpkg to construct the .deb file itself. extracting the contents of a .deb to a location other than it was built to install to though, may result in problems. [14:59] yeah, especially if it uses data files from /usr/share/ [14:59] brunch875: / is read-only. only a few things which need to writable, are mounted as such. if you really want to play with installation of random packages on the phone, the best way to do that is to create a chroot in ~phablet/ and then do things inside that chroot [15:00] AnAnt: it depends on how it finds the files. most things are built with paths defined at build time though, and the only way to change them is to rebuild with different paths defined [15:05] yeah, /usr/local also belongs to root on the desktop. I thought it belonged to the user [15:07] I've never used chroot before. Perhaps it's the time to learn how to do so now. [15:07] thanks for pointing that out ;) [15:09] hello [15:10] hi! [15:10] is it possible to sync the calendar from ubuntu touch to the calendar from ubuntu? [15:11] I know a way! [15:11] you can use google calendar and then read from it on ubuntu desktop [15:11] and also on ubuntu touch [15:12] at least that's how I keep track of my schedule [15:12] how is the way; can you describe in a fwe words please ! [15:12] I assume you have a gmail account [15:13] you can play with the google calendar at calendar.google.com [15:13] how is the way; can you describe in a fwe words please without google only by direct cable ! [15:14] you can add your google account from settings in both ubuntu desktop and touch [15:14] it will show on the ubuntu calendar for both [15:14] there is no easy way to sync the calendar directly with a PC at the moment [15:14] I have no idea... [15:14] thank very much [15:17] dobey, can syncevolution on commandline import ical and vcard ? [15:18] * ogra_ thought it could [15:18] ogra_: probably, but we don't have anything in place to automate that or even make it remotely easy to do. and evolution's contacts are stored in sqlite, not vcard, so that makes it a bit more complicated. [15:19] true [15:19] ogra_: it also theoretically has support for owncloud, which would be another option, if that app ever gets written/working [15:19] but i think it is technically possible [15:19] oh yes, definitely technically possible [15:19] (without making the system writable or installing anything) [15:20] i exported a vcard on my pre, imported to a new address book in evolution, and then pushed that contacts.db onto the phone, to get my contacts migrated over [15:20] we should collect such hacks and ship them as scripts on the phone :) [15:20] ogra_: well, it probably will require installing terminal app, or enabling developer mode and installing phablet-tools on the PC [15:21] we should just fix it so contacts/calendar sync works when you plug the phone into your PC :) [15:21] indeed, but that will still take a year :P [15:22] and during that year you will have people follow distro docs, making their system writable and installing random debs to achieve the task ... so having a script collection would be better inho [15:23] they will probably search forums and do much worse than that :) [15:23] ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-terminal-app/ubuntu-commands contribs welcome [15:24] I'll behave, I promise :p [15:24] popey, neat ! [15:25] brunch875, no reason to behave, we want you to go wild :) ... i dont want to have my mom g wild to get their contacts over though :) [15:25] s/thei/her/ [15:25] (becaue she will all me ans ask me to fix the phone she broke when following some forum) [15:25] *call me [15:25] hah [15:26] YAY ! [15:27] * ogra_ has his alternative webapp containet implementation fully working :) [15:27] hoorray! [15:27] no more top bar in my webapps ... and the dekko bottom menu instead fo navigating [15:27] (so also no more jiggly jumping of the page underneath your finger when the toolbar expands and collapses) [15:28] great great! [15:28] that jiggly jumping really annoys me! [15:28] me too ... and i *hate* having the back button at the top left [15:29] what I wonder is where the swipe from bottom went [15:29] that is what my implementation uses [15:30] you pull up from the bottom and get a navigation menu ... using the design of the dekko bottom menu [15:30] * ogra_ needs to roll that into one of his apps to demo it [15:39] hmph... bluetooth isn't complete, is it? [15:39] I'm trying to add a bluetooth keyboard which is detected but I can't click on it to pair it [15:44] in case anyone is fancy trying out a new webapp container concept ... http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/google-plus.ogra_0.1_all.click ... (doesnt use the system auth, you need to log in on first connect) [15:45] sure! how do I install it? Just drag into /opt? [15:45] push it to the device ... [15:45] then: adb shell pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /path/to/click [15:46] let's see if I'm skilled enough... [15:46] you should see a bunch of progress bars ... once they are done, pull down the app scope to refresh it ... there will be an ugly black/white globe icon with a mouse pointer in your app list [15:46] (saying google-plus underneath) [15:48] rsalveti, ping [15:50] oi! grep links your name to cannons and soldiers [15:50] neat :P [15:50] lol [15:51] yeah, i have quite a few webapps in the store :) [15:52] wow amaga it looks amazing [15:52] cheers man [15:52] :) [15:52] kudos on you [15:52] popey, in case you are interested http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/google-plus.ogra_0.1_all.click ;) [15:52] double kudos for teaching me pkcon + push [15:52] (it definitely wins the contest for the ugliest icon) [15:56] such an inspiration [15:57] tomorrow I'm going to shake my teacher to teach ubuntu too next year instead of just android [15:57] well, its all stolen cde from others, just newly combined [15:57] *code [15:57] i only wrote the glue [15:57] extra points then [15:58] talks great about ubuntu as a development environment [16:03] hi [16:03] hello! [16:03] just recieved my bq :D [16:03] Woohoo! Enjoy! [16:03] thanks, its really awesome [16:04] only i want to install cmatrix so i can brag, but it wont let me. does somebody know if i have to enable sudo or something? [16:04] pushed the code to lp:~ogra/junk/alternate-webapp-container ... in case anyone is interested [16:05] well, stuff owned by root is "read only" so not even sudo will work to do that [16:05] it would be nice to run native code instead of just webapps [16:05] you can make it read-write [16:06] but making it read-write disables delta OTA updates [16:06] it's better if you download cmatrix to your home folder and run it from there [16:07] mhh, oke i will just do that then :P [16:07] not having dalvik gives a phone a lot more processing power, but for what? [16:07] for what? for blazing speed! [16:07] speed? of webapps? [16:07] my old android had better specs [16:07] and was slower [16:07] even launching the web [16:08] what is Dalvik? some kind of vm? [16:08] I even tried launching a ton of programs at the same time and it wound't slow down [16:08] amahoola: java [16:09] aaah [16:10] is there a way to turn off the screen dim after a minute? its kind off irritating when i am watching a youtube video.. [16:10] yeah, head to settings [16:11] wait, that's for locking [16:11] hmm [16:11] that only changes the time before the screen goes totally black [16:11] yeah.. [16:17] DonkeyHotei, you are free to write C++ Qt apps [16:17] within limits [16:18] for example, an irc client would not be possible [16:18] well, and there is QML ... which is kind of inbetween native and webapp [16:18] an irc client is surely possible if you offload a part of it somewhere else ... since you want push-service support anyway [16:19] i guess a combo of a bip server for which you write a push-service backend that can notify you together with a UI client that hoooks into the bip server would work just fne [16:19] offloading != running native on ubuntu [16:20] well, you can only "run" within tehbounds of the phone OS [16:20] and that means your app gets suspended when not focused [16:21] to use long runnning bits you need to use a system service ... which in case of messaging (IRC) is the push service [16:23] indeed you can always hack your phone to do everything natively ... nobody stops you :) [16:23] but apps that go into the store have to operate within the boundaries ... [16:26] some of the early criticisms of firefox os centered on needing internet all the time [16:30] well ... for certain tasks you need internet ... [16:31] and i guess 90% of what yu do on a smartphone uses internet nowadays ... no matter which OS [16:34] but is there really any point to using a webapp over using the same page in a browser? [16:35] hmm, I've been thinking about that. It could be that the webapp data is entirely local. [16:35] So if you made a game in HTML5 you would only have to click on the app icon [16:36] a good question would whether to assimilate the browser and the webapps together as the same thing or not [16:38] I agree that it's kind of pointless to have the facebook app as a plain link to m.facebook [16:38] especially if the internet is bad and the web stops loading halfway through [16:38] so you need to F5 [16:40] i cannot imagine what can make that be considered a good idea [16:41] well, I've got to admit it's handy to have the icon around :D [16:41] but I'd rather have it under a new category which launches the full browser and not just stripped down [16:42] yes [16:43] but same goes for android webapps. So it isn't really an "OS issue" but rather something centered on the app itself. It's good to have the capabilities. [16:43] android isn't big on webapps, they're mostly java [16:45] yeah, I agree most apps should run on qt [16:45] but it's like that now, isn't it? [16:47] * brunch875 waddles towards gluttony === uber is now known as Guest51921 === Guest51921 is now known as uber [17:02] Hi folks... Could you please tell me, where to open bug reports for the BQ UbuntuPhone ??? [17:02] launchpad [17:03] +1 IMHO an app as interface for reportbug would be great [17:03] There are serveral problems exist (Bluetooth, Telegram, CoreOS, etc... ) looking for a Launchpad-site, but nothing found so far... [17:04] @ ilario: great idea... but where to link the app reports to ??? [17:06] what do you mean? [17:08] Well, of course the bug report application needs to fill a website... :-) [17:08] Is it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=avengers ? [17:08] such an app would use the default target site for reportbug :) so, I think, launchpad [17:11] Hello. I am the bq device. When I change the net type (2G-3G-WIFI) I receive a notification from "Voicemail" saying that I have 1819361974 voicemail messages. Is it a known bug? How can I report it? [17:12] Obviously I am not the bq device, I am _using_ the bq device, sorry for the typo :) [17:13] woah... does this happen when you change net as in when you lose wifi connectivity? [17:13] that doesn't happen to me... [17:14] do you get this as an SMS? [17:15] (on my previous comment 's/reportbug/ubuntu-bug/' that is actually installed on my phone, but only CLI) [17:16] brunch875, not an SMS, just the notification [17:17] brunch875, when I turn down wifi and switch to 2/3G, when I switch between 2G and 3G and when I go back to wi-fi. All of these actions generate this notification (and I do not know where it comes from, the title of the notification - the boldface one- is just "Voicemail") [17:18] crazy, that doesn't happen to me [17:20] brunch875, yes it is crazy :) so, how do I report the bug? [17:21] you can try launchpad [17:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs [17:22] although I'm not sure there's a specific one for ubuntu touch [17:24] brunch875, the "Report a bug" link sends me to the help page that says to report a bug through apport :S How do I report a bug without going through apport? [17:25] euh... I'm not really sure [17:25] any devs awake? [17:25] brunch875, I asked now on the ubuntu-bugs IRC [17:25] brunch875, hope someone will answer ;) [17:26] Be sure to tell me when you find out so I can tell others which ask later! [17:28] before filing a new bug check that it hasn't already been reported, for example try to check this list https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu?field.searchtext=voicemail [17:28] it looks like there is one [17:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1353379 [17:28] Ubuntu bug 1353379 in ofono (Ubuntu) "VoiceMail notification pretends there are 255 messages. It is not true there are only 2" [High,Confirmed] [17:28] thanks, ubot5 [17:31] thanks ilario , brunch875 and obviously also ubot5 [17:31] :D [17:32] :D [17:36] btw dadexix86 send a bug report :) try like this: install terminal app; execute in the terminal "ubuntu-bug ofono" [17:39] ilario the terminal asks for a password :S [17:39] it's the same as your lock [17:40] brunch875, great [17:43] oh gods, java + sqlite is killing me. Is there no sprintf here? [17:45] dadexix86 insert as a password the pin that you use for unlocking the screensaver, for me works === ahoneycutt is now known as ahoneybun [17:52] Here are the main URLs for bug reports: [17:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=avengers https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bugs [17:53] Bjoern_G, but Avengers isn't just for the Nexus devices? [17:53] Dont know... If I connect BQ Aquarius via USB to my computer, "lsusb" shows "Nexus_4" [17:55] Try "adb devices -l" --> the same output [17:55] rly? my lsusb shows no name, but lsusb -v prints "Aquaris_E4.5" [17:57] my devices -l also says nexus4 :p [17:57] here I have same output as ilario [17:58] Could you connect your phone via USB 2.0 ?? For me, only USB 3.0 is working [17:58] I'm 2.0 only [17:58] old pc [17:58] Good for Linux... :-) [17:58] even runs starcraft 2 faster than windows using wine [17:58] how ironic [17:59] Is someone using Telegram Messenger ??? [17:59] me! [17:59] I'm 2.0 only [17:59] Bjoern_G me :) [17:59] @ ilario: Did you get the notification sounds working ? [17:59] + dadexi86 [18:00] ah! I get it now [18:00] Another source based on cm11 could be good idea, as there is only cm port on my device [18:00] @ Bjoern_G I still have to test that... [18:01] My notification sounds are not working for telegram :-( [18:01] the adb which comes with android sdk doesn't list my phablet [18:01] but the adb in the system repositories does [18:01] Bjoern_G, next time I receive one I'll pay attention [18:02] @ brunch875: Try to use the adb tool from sdk PPA [18:02] Theres notification sounds? I've never heard notification sounds on my Nexus 7, granted I don't get many but regardless xD [18:03] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [18:04] I'll try later, right now I'm slightly tight on time [18:06] Has anyone managed to pair BQ Aquarius with bluetooth car audio ??? [18:06] I tried to pair it with my bluetooth keyboard [18:06] no luck [18:06] detects the keyboard but can't click on it to pair, does nothing [18:06] makes me glad I'm not an emacs user :D [18:07] --> BT keyboard remains "grey" in list ??? [18:08] yep [18:08] me, too. :-( [18:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1435044 [18:09] Ubuntu bug 1435044 in indicator-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Pairing with BT-keyboard fails" [Undecided,New] [18:09] Thats mine... :-) [18:10] how do I pull file via ADB when I'm logged in via shell? [18:10] I want to get the screenshot and share [18:11] Mom [18:11] Turn on "developer" mode... [18:13] I did. I mean, there's no command to push if I'm already logged in via adb shell, right? [18:13] Nevermind anyway, I used netcat :P [18:15] it looks like this for me [18:15] http://imgur.com/KG8UwNW [18:20] @ brunch875: This worked for me..... adb pull /media/phablet/9A15-A3CC/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/ [18:20] Pulls all pics to current dir [18:20] aah can pull folders. that's neat [18:21] I think, you could define more specific pull options like single files or placeholders, too [18:21] I just don't enjoy the absolute lack of autocompletion [18:21] so navigating long paths is cumbersome [18:23] In Terminal app you could use the TAB option [18:23] for autocompletion [18:23] yeah but from desktop using adb... [18:23] * popey uses phablet-shell rather than adb shell [18:23] much nicer [18:23] Hmmm... first do an "adb shell", navigate to path, copy/paste [18:23] ooo [18:24] thanks popey [18:24] I owe you [18:24] also, phablet-shell; navigate to folder, then scp files to your other box [18:24] rather than send them over the usb cable, send them over wifi [18:24] that's what I kinda did for this screenshot [18:24] but with netcat [18:24] you can take screenshots from the pc too [18:24] phablet-screenshot foo.png [18:25] * brunch875 is amazed [18:27] phablet-shell --serial JUxxxxx --> "error: closed" :-( [18:27] is your phone unlocked? [18:28] BQ Aquaris E4.5 [18:28]