[22:32] <nhaines> elky, ianorlin: I ended up heading out of town for the weekend a day early so I didn't get around to looking at meeting stuff on Friday, and it doesn't look like there's anything on the agenda.
[22:33] <elky> oh is it meeting week?
[22:33] <nhaines> Yup.  I *can* carve out time for the meeting, but it'd be inconvenient.  I say we just cancel.
[22:33] <elky> ok with me
[22:33] <nhaines> I'm not aware of anything going on.
[22:34] <elky> i'll just note the cancellation on the wiki page like for the post scale one
[22:34] <nhaines> Would you mind sending out a notice?
[22:34] <nhaines> Sounds good for the wiki and things.
[22:42] <DonkeyHotei> interesting how meeting night always seems to be on berkeleylug day
[22:42] <pleia2> I already tweeted about it :(
[22:42] <pleia2> but I can say it's been canceled
[22:43] <DonkeyHotei> you tweeted about a meeting with no agenda?
[22:43] <pleia2> historically we've required 2 weeks ahead of time to cancel, since people like me schedule their Sundays to be around if there's a meeting
[22:43] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: yes, it happens pretty often
[22:43] <pleia2> https://twitter.com/ubuntu_us_ca/status/579704016122175488
[22:43] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu California on Twitter: "Have ideas for new projects for the team? Or just want to learn how you can help? Join us at our meeting tonight: https://t.co/X8vh9s1bYc"]
[22:44] <DonkeyHotei> three hours notice is a bit short, and we haven't even heard from ianorlin
[22:47] <pleia2> I'm available if no one else is, just in case folks show up re: tweet
[22:47] <elky> i haven't cancelled yet, but i also don't fancy chairing
[22:48] <nhaines> No reason people can't come in and chat.  The room's always open.  :)  But yeah, I don't like the idea of holding agendaless meetings just to have them, *because* it keeps people away from family for no good reason.
[22:48] <elky> ^ i have said so much in the email, i just haven't hit send
[22:49] <nhaines> Meant to look at it on Friday but I ended up heading out 45 minutes after I woke up intead of a few hours.  Which was my fault.  I'd rather cancel on Friday at the latest.
[22:49] <elky> 2 weeks to cancel a fortnightly meeting is a bit much
[22:50] <nhaines> Not cancelling meetings was a LoCo Council-imposed restriction that I've never agreed with, aside from the fact that the last LoCo Council meeting was cancelled for having no agenda.
[22:50] <pleia2> I guess I'll stop bothering not making plans on sunday evenings then
[22:51] <nhaines> Which, ironically, I voted against to force discussion about an issue we had in front of us--but it got dicussed and handled before then so that worked out anyway and the meeting was cancelled.  ;)
[22:51] <elky> i certainly don't know what i'm doing in a fortnight
[22:51] <pleia2> I know what I'm doing months ahead
[22:51] <DonkeyHotei> well, other LoCos hold in-person meetings
[22:51] <pleia2> so woo, all free sundays now
[22:51] <nhaines> pleia2: if by Wednesday or Thursday there's no agenda, that'd be a good sign.  But I think it's more important to get better about managing that.
[22:51] <elky> pleia2: you need free time
[22:52] <pleia2> elky: I appreciate your constant concern for my free time, but I actually can manage it, and part of that is knowing in advance what obligations I have
[22:52] <pleia2> so the 2 week rule was really important to me
[22:52] <pleia2> at the last meeting, we decide whether we'll have a next meeting
[22:52] <nhaines> I don't think we need meetings more often than monthly if nothing's going on.  So the trick then is to see if we can just be busy enough that every meeting has some useful purpose.
[22:53] <pleia2> on other teams I'm on, having regular meetings is what inspires activity
[22:53] <pleia2> if we just wait until we have something, we don't have a constant reminder that we should keep it in our thoughts
[22:53] <nhaines> I agree, we do need to have regular minimally scheduled meetings.
[22:53] <elky> monthly is still regular
[22:54] <pleia2> so maybe the policy should be changed to "monthly, unless something comes up"?
[22:54] <pleia2> I can't commit to the "if something comes up" meetings, but the monthly ones would be easier
[22:55] <DonkeyHotei> i don't think anyone could "commit" if something comes up
[22:55] <nhaines> pleia2: I agree, "whenever something comes up" is a recipe for disenfranchisement.  But I also think "let's host meetings even if we know we won't talk about something" is sub-optimal.
[22:56] <pleia2> nhaines: historically I've used those meetings to share general community news, in this case the release is next month and no one has plans, so using tonight's meeting to mention that would probably be a valuable use of time
[22:56] <nhaines> But the bottom line is that Friday was really when I should've been bringing up cancelling, and that is where I dropped the ball.
[22:57] <nhaines> The mailing list reaches far more people that meetings anyway.  I doubt the logs are *that* popular.
[22:58] <elky> i still haven't sent the cancellation email
[22:58] <nhaines> Well, anyone can host a meeting.  I think I did it two months into my joining the LoCo, and I did it a handful of times last year and I'm not interested in blocking a meeting.  But I ended up with family obligations this weekend that I hadn't expected.
[22:59] <nhaines> So if someone else can fill in, I'd appreciate it.  If it's better to just tell people we'll announce stuff via email and catch up in two weeks, I'm all for it.
[22:59] <elky> well i can't chair since rww will be in a raid and i will be Chief Cat Remover
[22:59] <nhaines> elky: wrap him in a blanket and tease him with cheese.
[22:59] <elky> raids last a while
[23:00] <pleia2> I can chair if ianorlin can't
[23:00] <DonkeyHotei> raid?
[23:00] <elky> DonkeyHotei: WoW
[23:00] <rww> DonkeyHotei: World of Warcrack
[23:00] <DonkeyHotei> ah
[23:01] <nhaines> pleia2: if not for the short notice, I'd be firm about cancelling, but I'd hate for people to drop by because they were expecting it.  If you have the time to host the meeting, it'd be great if you did so.
[23:02] <nhaines> I'll owe you a beer/other-luxury-beverage-of-your-choice.
[23:03] <elky> i guess i'll send out a reminder instead then
[23:03] <nhaines> elky: thanks.
[23:05] <nhaines> Okay, I have to get back to this eight-year-old who's trying to convince me why he should play my Nintendo 3DS instead of reading.  Spoiler alert: we going to read "The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents."  We'll revisit the debate after the end of the chapter.  :P
[23:06] <nhaines> Thanks, pleia2.
[23:06]  * nhaines makes a note to start a discussion about meeting frequency before the next meeting.
[23:08]  * elky tries to remember which email she's on the ML with
[23:09] <elky> lets see if that gets through
[23:17] <elky> seems it did yay
[23:29] <ianorlin> grr might have to help my parents cook dinner