[04:44] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos power restored just now 
[04:44] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:12] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn  and others
[05:21] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos 
[05:25] <Kilos> i wonder if inetpro  has had power restored yet
[05:26] <nlsthzn> yup
[05:26] <nlsthzn> maaz was supposed to tell you
[05:26] <nlsthzn> @08:44
[05:29] <Kilos>  <Maaz> By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell Kilos power restored just now" 27 minutes and 28 seconds ago
[05:29] <Kilos> i missed the second one. easier to just read first line
[05:29] <Kilos> lol
[05:31] <Kilos> now i just wait for a mail from the cc okes nlsthzn  
[05:31] <Kilos> no meeting to attend
[05:31] <nlsthzn> ah so your nomination is in then :)
[05:31] <nlsthzn> good luck :D
[05:31] <Kilos> ya ty
[05:32] <Kilos> and elacheche from my africa channel
[05:33] <nlsthzn> :)
[05:34] <nlsthzn> been an OK week-end for SA rugby too
[05:34] <nlsthzn> only the cheetahs not winning
[05:34] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[05:34] <Kilos> lol ya apart from the bulls 
[05:35] <nlsthzn> bulls won at least :)
[05:35] <Kilos> oh did the bulls win
[05:35] <nlsthzn> didn't play well
[05:35] <nlsthzn> 1 point
[05:35] <Kilos> wow i watched the game and forgot
[05:35] <nlsthzn> >.<
[05:35] <nlsthzn> I guess it happens with age :p
[05:35] <Kilos> just know the sharks game was shocking
[05:36] <Kilos> but nice to see a rev taking note of how they cheat
[05:36] <Kilos> ref
[05:36] <nlsthzn> about time
[05:37] <Kilos> its a big thing with them to play guys off the ball to prevent them getting in the fray
[05:37] <nlsthzn> they been doing that for ages
[05:37] <Kilos> ya
[05:37]  * nlsthzn hears the little bundle of wind stir again... poor thing having a tough time of it the last week
[05:38] <Kilos> i think the tmo must be given the power to blow the whistle as well
[05:38] <nlsthzn> put his flag out
[05:38] <Kilos> ya
[05:39] <Kilos> remark on you comment
[05:39] <Kilos>  nlsthzn hears the little bundle of wind stir again... poor thing having a tough time of it the last week
[05:39] <Kilos> oh shame
[05:40] <nlsthzn> kept mom awake which is why I am not at a work thing today... keeping him in the front of the house with me while mom sleeps...
[05:40] <nlsthzn> so far having a better than average snooze so I am glad
[05:40] <Kilos> shame, whats wrong
[05:41] <nlsthzn> my wife can take a lot... had a c section that people didn't believe she had as she was up and about... but mess with her sleep >.< oh boy :p
[05:41] <nlsthzn> winds and cramps
[05:41] <nlsthzn> keeps him awake, gets over stimulated and then can't sleep more
[05:41] <nlsthzn> vicious cycle
[05:41] <Kilos> ai!
[05:42] <Kilos> old name popped up in head merbentyl
[05:42] <Kilos> wasnt that for winds and cramps
[05:44] <Kilos> and we found with ian , putting him on tummy to sleep let winds come out easy
[05:46] <nlsthzn> trying anything so thanks ;)
[05:46] <nlsthzn> :)
[05:47] <Kilos> good luck, we had 3 months where one had to stay awake and watch, because if he squeeled once he stopped breathing
[05:48] <Kilos> he got more bum whacks in his first 6 months that most get it a lifetime
[05:52] <nlsthzn> :(
[05:52] <nlsthzn> alls well that ends well
[05:52] <Kilos> yeah
[05:53] <Kilos> took 3 months in incubator and 3 months by us for his lungs to develope to the stage where we got some sleep
[05:54] <Kilos> haha and now he is balder than me already
[05:55] <nlsthzn> :)
[06:26] <Kilos> hi spinza  you flooding freenode again hehe
[06:27] <Kilos> something to do with your clients login methinks
[06:31] <Kilos> nlsthzn  why are list peeps so hard to get to meetings?
[07:09] <nlsthzn> not everyone sees the need for the meetings... most people use the loco as a source of free tech support... they don't want to assist etc...
[07:11] <Kilos> ai!
[07:13] <Kilos> now this new wiki page has taken over on google so i cant find the old list of members on launchpad
[07:13] <Kilos> was 73 i think
[07:18] <nlsthzn> this one? - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[07:18] <nlsthzn> 83 currently
[07:19] <Kilos> ya thats it ty nlsthzn  
[07:19] <nlsthzn> googled "ubuntu-za launchpad" was the 4th link
[07:20] <Kilos> hi JoTraGo  
[07:20] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:20] <Kilos> man nlsthzn  you know google isnt my friend
[07:20] <Kilos> i ask the wrong questions
[07:20] <nlsthzn> :)
[07:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:34] <Kilos> i think ive bitten off more than i can chew
[07:35] <Kilos> i need the pro to come back from church
[07:38] <nlsthzn> the way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time
[07:40] <Kilos> hahaha always a clever answer
[07:43] <Kilos> nlsthzn  have you got time to write a quick tutorial on how to get a launchpad id and join ubuntu-za
[07:43] <Kilos> oh joining is from the site hey
[07:44] <Kilos> spinza  ping
[07:45] <Kilos> nlsthzn  for noobs that know nothing
[08:03] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[08:19] <nlsthzn> sorry uncle Kilos ... will look into something later... currently I need to get a shower and become human to run some errands and get back on nappy duty etc :p
[08:21] <Kilos> lol np
[09:03] <Kilos> so is there a was to subscribe or whatever its called so i can be mailed when new members join here 
[09:03] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[09:03] <Kilos> s/was/way
[09:24] <Kilos> hi hexdream  
[09:24] <hexdream> Hi Kilos
[09:24] <Kilos> this is better than email imo
[09:25] <hexdream> Thanks for the reminder to join up with ubuntu-za
[09:25] <Kilos> we need all you lug guys here
[09:25] <hexdream> much faster
[09:25] <hexdream> yeah
[09:26] <hexdream> So things are pretty quiet today?
[09:26] <Kilos> remind wwk about the meet here on tueday night at 20.00 please
[09:26] <Kilos> yeah peeps are at church
[09:26] <Kilos> we are never as busy as #ubuntu
[09:27] <Kilos> i get lost there
[09:27] <Kilos> oh ya and kick vincent as well, he has been scarce here
[09:30] <hexdream> Things have been very quiet here LUG-wise.
[09:30] <Kilos> peeps are too busy trying to make a living
[09:31] <Kilos> we are always active with something or other here
[09:32] <hexdream> yeah. I just got myself a midi keyboard... going to try teach myself how to use it... of course that m3eans le3arning the audio applications, and jack.
[09:32] <Kilos> lol
[09:32] <hexdream> clearly I'm a sucker for punishment
[09:33] <hexdream> and looking at my typing I think I need some coffee
[09:35] <Kilos> lol
[09:35] <hexdream> brb
[09:35] <Kilos> ok
[09:36] <Kilos> hi Jacques_StrY  
[09:36] <Jacques_StrY> Hi
[09:47] <nlsthzn> nice to see the some interaction with the LUG's :D
[09:52] <Kilos> ya
[09:52] <Kilos> i want to get them all involved
[09:53] <Kilos> we all have the same basic goal imo
[09:54] <hexdream> World domination!
[09:54] <Kilos> lol kinda
[09:54] <Kilos> hi captine  
[09:54] <captine> hi there Kilos 
[10:07] <Kilos> hexdream  we arent a channel tied to our topic. we try help with everything here
[10:08] <hexdream> Does anyone here have any experience with jack?  I'm thinking of setting up my system to run only through jack to keep apps like vlc from breaking while I muck around with various other audio apps.
[10:11] <nlsthzn> I messed with it a little bit some time ago but stopped...
[10:11] <nlsthzn> to much of a pita
[10:12] <Jacques_StrY> why is setting up a vlan connection in ubuntu such a pain...
[10:12] <Jacques_StrY> been trying to get it to work for 2hours+ with no luck
[10:14] <Kilos> just now freenode is going to ban spinza
[10:16] <Jacques_StrY> Anyone here have experience with vlan setup on ubuntu?
[10:17] <Kilos> there was someone did it a while ago
[10:18] <Kilos> wait for pro to return and tell him fixit
[10:19] <Jacques_StrY> haha well i'll keep trying will he's available
[10:19] <Jacques_StrY> not*
[10:19] <Kilos> lol
[10:23] <Kilos> he will most likely first tell you man this or that, then rtfs in caps and then he will help you
[10:24] <Kilos> stubborn old goat
[10:24] <Jacques_StrY> yea :)
[10:25] <Kilos> and when he sees what i have said he will login with an ai!
[10:25] <Kilos> id be lost without my pro
[10:25] <Jacques_StrY> haha 
[10:27] <Jacques_StrY> i think it could be that my virtualbox is interfering
[10:27] <Kilos> oh you running that as well
[10:27] <Jacques_StrY> gonna try on another pc
[10:35] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  once you got it working write a nice easy how to for us and post the link on trello please
[10:36] <Jacques_StrY> haha will do
[11:12] <Jacques_StrY> tried it on another pc but still no success
[11:12] <Jacques_StrY> vlan interface shows correctly in ifconfig but I can't ping out to vlan network
[11:13] <Jacques_StrY> can't ping vlan from another pc ass well
[11:13] <Jacques_StrY> as*
[11:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:27] <Kilos> you not doing rtfs
[11:28] <Kilos> vlan is a virtual lan right
[11:34] <Kilos> oh ethewrnet too
[11:34] <Kilos> ai!
[11:35] <Kilos> just when i thought v was for virtual
[12:49] <Jacques_StrY> nah vlan is virtual lan
[12:49] <Jacques_StrY> so you can connect to two seperate networks on one NIC
[12:49] <Kilos> same as virualbox
[12:50] <Jacques_StrY> in a way cause virtualbox can create vpn's for the guest operating systems
[12:50] <Kilos> this whole virtual think tips my head
[12:50] <Jacques_StrY> that's why I thought it might be interfering but on another system it didn't want to work too
[12:52] <Kilos> eish
[12:52] <Kilos> call mr fixit. you are missing something simple 
[12:53] <Jacques_StrY> i have used it allot on windows systems but this my first time setting up on linux so I'm probably doing something wrong
[12:56] <Kilos> ya small thing you are missing im sure
[12:58] <Kilos> did you google?
[12:58] <Kilos> pro will say google is your friend
[12:58] <Kilos> http://www.microhowto.info/howto/configure_an_ethernet_interface_as_a_vlan_trunk_on_debian.html
[12:59] <Kilos> oh thats eth
[12:59] <Kilos> ai!
[13:10] <Jacques_StrY> lol i've been googling the whole time
[13:10] <Jacques_StrY> still am
[13:10] <Kilos> its a stupid thing i think
[13:10] <Kilos> nlsthzn  tell him man
[13:35] <stickyboy> Raise your hand if you like the Universe.
[13:35] <stickyboy> Kilos: ?
[13:37] <Kilos> hi8 stickyboy  
[13:37] <Kilos> hi too
[13:37] <Kilos> help Jacques_StrY  setup a vlan please
[13:39] <smile> hi :)
[13:39] <Kilos> hi smile  
[13:40] <smile> hi Kilos 
[13:40] <smile> especially for you ;)
[13:40] <Kilos> hee hee
[13:42] <smile> I was translating a website to Afrikaans
[13:46] <stickyboy> Kilos: Working on server... and reading this about the Eagle Nebula: https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/the-most-amazing-hubble-image-ever-f9e7604fe106
[13:47] <stickyboy> LOL Kenyans always say "Africans" instead of "Afrikaans".
[13:47] <stickyboy> Ok, not always. But I've heard it a few times and I chuckle.
[13:47] <Kilos> here afrikaans is the language
[13:48] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yes. :)
[13:48] <Kilos> african is the peeps that live in africa
[13:48] <Kilos> wbb
[13:48] <stickyboy> But its similarity is obviously confusing. :P
[13:48] <stickyboy> ... because it's kinda similar to the name of the continent. :P
[13:49] <smile> stickyboy: you still chuckle? :p
[13:50] <stickyboy> Yes, because I know the difference and I hear people talk about it who mix the two.
[13:50] <Kilos> ya
[13:50] <Kilos> help them
[13:52] <Kilos> stickyboy  i asked you for a favour man
[13:52] <Kilos> help Jacques_StrY  he is having probs setting up vlan on linux
[13:55] <stickyboy> Kilos: Oh hehe.
[13:55] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  state what you have done and tried
[13:56] <Kilos> lol
[13:56] <stickyboy> Uh, never done that.
[13:56] <Kilos> sigh
[13:56] <Kilos> you lug okes are supposed to know everything
[13:57] <Kilos> maybe you better join an ubuntu group somewhere for more knowledge
[13:57]  * Kilos hides
[14:01] <stickyboy> :P
[14:01] <stickyboy> Kilos: To be honest, I think I'm burned out.
[14:02] <Kilos> oh my
[14:02] <Kilos> time for leave
[14:02] <stickyboy> Kilos: I think I need a sabbatical.
[14:02] <stickyboy> Or maybe a Ferrari.
[14:03] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <Kilos> ferraris are good ya, you can escape anything
[14:04] <stickyboy> lol
[14:04] <stickyboy> Going to the US next week.
[14:04] <stickyboy> But will only be slightly relaxing.
[14:04] <Kilos> work or play?
[14:05] <smile> stickyboy: no tesla for you? :p
[14:07] <stickyboy> smile: Actually, that's better.
[14:10] <Kilos> stickyboy  for how long are you going?
[14:11] <stickyboy> Kilos: 2 weeks.
[14:11] <smile> :)
[14:11] <Kilos> ah well enjoy what you can and persevere through the rest
[14:12] <stickyboy> Kilos: Mos def.
[14:12] <stickyboy> Gotta eat a bunch of Mexican food.
[14:12] <Kilos> lekker man
[14:12] <Kilos> they make good food
[14:14] <stickyboy> haha yeah
[14:15] <stickyboy> http://www.privacyfoundation.ch/de/service/server.html
[14:15] <stickyboy> Swiss Privacy DNS servers..
[14:15] <stickyboy> Stop using 8.8.8.8, people. :P
[14:19] <Kilos> do you understand what they say in that link?
[14:21] <Kilos> ah found the english button
[14:21] <stickyboy> Kilos: I only copy the numbers aahahah
[14:23] <Kilos> lol
[14:23] <Kilos> always read the fine print
[14:24] <Kilos> thats normally where the catches lie
[14:25] <stickyboy> Kilos: So much wisdom
[14:25] <Kilos> lol
[14:26] <Kilos> hi captine  
[15:04] <Jacques_StrY> Sorry was out for a bit
[15:06] <Kilos> we noticed haha
[15:06] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[15:06] <Jacques_StrY> those servers pull some serious bandwidth
[15:06] <Kilos> im still looking for someone to help you
[15:06] <Kilos> hey smile  
[15:07] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  needs help with vlan setup
[15:07] <smile> hi :p I'm no vlan guy, sorry
[15:07] <Jacques_StrY> haha 
[15:07] <Jacques_StrY> np i'm not in a hurry with the vlan setup
[15:07] <Kilos> sigh
[15:08] <Jacques_StrY> it's for at home
[15:08] <Jacques_StrY> so no rush
[15:08] <Kilos> someone here knows, and we will dig him out sooner or later
[15:08] <smile> Jacques_StrY: a VLAN at home? :o
[15:09] <Jacques_StrY> lol testing out the setup at home to implement later at work
[15:09] <Kilos> so then its important man
[15:09] <Jacques_StrY> smile: and my setup at home is pretty overkill
[15:09] <Kilos> explain in noob language what you are doing
[15:10] <Kilos> i bash my way through stuff
[15:10] <Kilos> then cry and someone feels sorry for me and helps
[15:10] <smile> Jacques_StrY: maybe you wanted the porn separated ;)
[15:10] <Jacques_StrY> smile: That was supposed to be a  secret!
[15:11] <smile> sorry o.O
[15:11] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[15:11] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[15:11] <Jacques_StrY> So I setup a IPFire router that handles the internet for a portion of the network
[15:12] <Kilos> smile meeting here tuesday night hey
[15:12] <smile> Kilos: okay! :D what time?
[15:12] <Kilos> 20.00 our time
[15:12] <Jacques_StrY> That way I have good QOS and can easily switch between internet lines if main internet drops
[15:12] <smile> good plan, yes :p 
[15:12] <smile> you use multiple ISPs?
[15:13] <Jacques_StrY> smile: Well if adsl drops in total I can then switch to wireless
[15:14] <smile> :)
[15:14] <smile> I have VDSL :D
[15:14]  * Jacques_StrY cries
[15:15] <Jacques_StrY> we can't get anything faster than 4mb here
[15:15] <smile> Jacques_StrY: no 4G yet?
[15:16] <Jacques_StrY> We have but I push too much bandwidth to go permanent 4g
[15:16] <smile> I see
[15:17] <smile> what about multiple ISP connections?
[15:17] <Jacques_StrY> the problem is our dsl goes of regularly at home
[15:18] <Jacques_StrY> bout once every 3-4 months and usually almost a week
[15:18] <smile> satellite internet! :D
[15:18] <smile> :o
[15:18] <smile> here every year two times
[15:18] <Jacques_StrY> for some reason lighting loves our exchange etc..
[15:18] <smile> usually a few days
[15:19] <smile> internet exchange? which one do you use?
[15:19] <Jacques_StrY> i'm confused, dsl area exchange
[15:21] <Jacques_StrY> I'm with Afrihost as ISP but they have been super stable
[15:23] <Jacques_StrY> but I need to use vlan on my file servers cause they have to be accessible on both networks and that's where the problem is
[15:23] <Jacques_StrY> smile: You guys so lucky with VDSL :)
[15:24] <smile> Jacques_StrY: fiber is coming to the city near me
[15:24] <smile> ;)
[15:26]  * Jacques_StrY cries again...
[15:26] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  im just guessing 
[15:26] <Kilos> have you run traceroute and tracepath
[15:26] <Kilos> and the other on was route -n i think
[15:27] <Kilos> if they on they same network they must be accessible somehow
[15:27] <Jacques_StrY> Well route -n displays the main network and the vlan as expected
[15:28] <Kilos> and you can ssh into the servers?
[15:29] <Kilos> oh no if you cant ping them you wont
[15:29] <Jacques_StrY> i'm currently logging in via ssh on main network but no luck on vlan
[15:30] <Kilos> there must be a way
[15:30] <Jacques_StrY> Probably something small and obvious I'm missing
[15:30] <Kilos> wait for fly and pro
[15:31] <Kilos> can you see their ip addys
[15:32] <Jacques_StrY> network only main IP - vlan not responding
[15:32] <Kilos> unplug and replug
[15:32] <Jacques_StrY> But I can ping own vlan IP from self >.<
[15:33] <Jacques_StrY> So vlan supposed to be on
[15:36] <smile> Jacques_StrY: it's some years, but it's coming :)
[15:36] <smile> professional, big companies already have it
[15:37] <Jacques_StrY> Oh well, RTB will get it someday...
[15:44] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  guessing again
[15:44] <Kilos> isnt your firewall blocking them
[15:44] <Kilos> or router firewall
[15:44] <smile> is RTB Roatan? :)
[15:45] <Kilos> rustenburg
[15:45] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[15:45] <Kilos> same place ian stays
[15:45] <Jacques_StrY> well could maybe be ubuntu firewall
[15:45] <Jacques_StrY> i'll check
[15:58] <captine> Jacques_StrY, ADSL going down sucks.  I have been fortunate... very little down time
[16:00] <Jacques_StrY> we we of for a few days bout 2 weeks back - tree fell on telephone lines - getting used to it :)
[16:02] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn  
[16:02] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  did you try running route -n from the servers
[16:03] <Kilos> and other commands
[16:04] <Jacques_StrY> well ifconfig and route -n both show the interface correctly
[16:05] <Jacques_StrY> Well something is wrong vlan interface shows packets sent but none recieved
[16:06] <Kilos> inetpro  ?
[16:07] <stickyboy> Fixed OCSP stapling on my blawggggg.
[16:07] <stickyboy> https://mjanja.ch/
[16:07] <stickyboy> Now your browsing should be milliseconds less. Yay? https://mjanja.ch/
[16:09] <Jacques_StrY> Nice - didn't even know about OCSP stapling >.<
[16:09] <Kilos> lol
[16:09] <Kilos> i still don
[16:09] <Kilos> t
[16:10] <nlsthzn> o/
[16:13] <Kilos> the guys that know will hide tonight Jacques_StrY  
[16:14] <stickyboy> Kilos: That's super deep, d00d.
[16:14] <Kilos> haha
[16:14] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[16:17] <stickyboy> OCSP stapling has to do with how a client determines the server's HTTPS certificate is valid. :D
[16:18] <stickyboy> I can't get over how beautiful this article is... https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/the-most-amazing-hubble-image-ever-f9e7604fe106
[16:23] <Jacques_StrY> that looks ridiculous
[16:35] <captine> i really dislike juniper networks vpn through IS. What a pain to get working on 64bit ubuntu
[16:38] <Jacques_StrY> AND IT IS WORKING!
[16:38] <Jacques_StrY> sorry for caps
[16:38] <Kilos> oh wow what did you do Jacques_StrY  
[16:39] <Jacques_StrY> it would seems that i was using the wrong term for what I was trying to do
[16:39] <Kilos> write it all down
[16:40] <Kilos> ai! you bad as me
[16:40] <Jacques_StrY> in fact I don't want vlan but IP aliasing
[16:40] <Jacques_StrY> with vlan you need network switch support, which I don't have
[16:41] <Jacques_StrY> and the only difference between them in /etc/network/interfaces 
[16:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:42] <Kilos> well glad you found it
[16:42] <Jacques_StrY> is vlan you use ex. eth1.0 and ip aliasing eth1:0
[16:42] <Jacques_StrY> just had to replace the "." with ":"
[16:42] <Kilos> well done
[16:43] <Jacques_StrY> >.< well I learned allot with all the google searched so wasn't that bad
[16:43] <Jacques_StrY> TY
[16:45] <Kilos> now the lurkers can show their faces
[16:45] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[16:45] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  write it down
[16:45] <Jacques_StrY> did thanks :)
[16:46] <Kilos> see, that was a tiny thing
[16:46] <Jacques_StrY> Yep
[16:47] <Kilos> linux is good, but very tricky
[16:47] <Jacques_StrY> But it's good the Pro's not here, being spoon fed isn't good
[16:47] <Kilos> shup you i need to eat outa spoons
[16:47] <Jacques_StrY> linux has a way of showing your illiteracy
[16:48] <Jacques_StrY> been learning that the hard way from the day i started using it
[16:48] <Kilos> ouch
[16:48] <Kilos> i was worse im sure
[16:49] <Kilos> went to #ubuntu for help and couldny keep up and in their lists the tell you use apt-get or aptiude commands but dont tell you about sudo
[16:50] <Kilos> then fly found me foundering and brought me here
[16:51] <Kilos> lol i even chatted to maaz and wondered why it gave such funny replies
[16:51] <Kilos> and im sure everyone remembers my "whats sudo"
[16:51] <Jacques_StrY> took me a while to figure out the bot too >.<
[16:53] <Jacques_StrY> Maaz: put on the kettle
[16:53] <Maaz> Jacques_StrY: *blink*
[16:53] <Kilos> shame poor fly had to explaind everything step by step
[16:53] <Kilos> such patience
[16:53] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[16:53]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:53] <Kilos> Maaz  with cremora
[16:53] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[16:53] <Kilos> Maaz  and milk
[16:53] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[16:54] <Kilos> inetpro  coffee time
[16:54] <Kilos> its safe to come out now
[16:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:59] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[16:59] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:35] <Jacques_StrY> brb
[18:09] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  
[18:09] <Mopkop> Hello!
[18:09] <Mopkop> Playing some minetest
[18:09] <Kilos> se vir pa ian sal hom hierdie week epos
[18:10] <Mopkop> Ok, ek maak so :)
[18:10] <Kilos> danke
[18:14] <Mopkop> Plesier!
[19:38] <inetpro> good eveneing
[19:38] <Jacques_StrY> Good evening
[19:38] <Mopkop> Good evening inetpro!
[19:39] <inetpro> sjoe, all waiting for me to say something?
[19:39] <inetpro> :-)
[19:39] <inetpro> how is everyone here?
[19:39] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos also
[19:42] <inetpro> ai!
[19:43] <inetpro> clearly he's engaged with some gaming activity or...
[19:44] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[19:44] <Mopkop> lol
[19:44] <Kilos> wb
[19:45] <inetpro> why are you guys so quiet this evening?
[19:45] <Kilos> you arent here
[19:47] <inetpro> ai!
[19:47] <inetpro> but when I'm here others even leave
[19:47] <Kilos> hehehe
[19:47] <Kilos> no
[19:48] <Kilos> you and fly are the corner stones here
[19:48] <inetpro> look ^^, neil just slipped out the door
[19:48] <Kilos> nappy time
[19:48] <inetpro> :-)
[19:49] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:49]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[19:49] <Kilos> hes been doing it all day
[19:49] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[19:49] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[19:49] <inetpro> one last cuppa virtual java for the night
[19:50] <inetpro> while we still have lights
[19:50] <Kilos> wow already
[19:50] <inetpro> see, next one out
[19:50] <Kilos> seems like storm taking its time to get here tonight
[19:50] <Kilos> read logs man he has bad connection
[19:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:52] <Kilos> sometime we gotta go to lp so i can merge the africa site
[19:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[19:53] <Kilos> oh inetpro  g+ and tweet place please
[19:53] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[19:53] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:53] <Kilos> ive done lists
[19:53] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:53] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: cool, what did you add?
[19:54] <Kilos> you guys all work tomorrow hey
[19:54] <Kilos> i want to go see what you did
[19:54] <Kilos> i mean i want to bring it here
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: g+ event does it's own thing, no need to touch that
[19:54] <Kilos> ok
[19:54] <Kilos> tweet  place
[19:55] <inetpro> tweet place, we can do tomorrow
[19:55] <Kilos> we?
[19:55] <Kilos> how many usses in your wee
[19:55] <inetpro> Kilos: "...so i can merge the africa site"
[19:55] <inetpro> you have something to merge?
[19:56] <Kilos> doesnt merge mean bring it to your pc?
[19:56] <smile> good night :)
[19:56] <Kilos> night smile
[19:56] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:56] <Mopkop> Good night smile!
[19:56] <smile> thanks ;) you too
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: merge = combine or cause to combine to form a single entity
[19:57] <inetpro> gnight smile
[19:57] <Kilos> ai!
[19:57] <Kilos> just as well i couldnt get lp working
[19:57] <Kilos> again
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: like water, milk and coffee
[19:58] <Kilos> my ubuntu-africa here is empty
[19:58] <Kilos> deleted the old one
[19:58] <inetpro> one guy provides milk, another water and yet another coffee
[19:58] <Kilos> lol
[19:59] <Kilos> i only turned the kettle on
[19:59] <inetpro> and the main guy merges them together to make a perfect drink
[19:59] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[19:59] <superfly> hi Kilos
[20:00] <inetpro> hello superfly
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: so far I think superfly only came with the water
[20:01] <Kilos> no man he did everything
[20:01] <inetpro> at least it's still steaming hot
[20:01] <inetpro> so you can make something with it
[20:01] <Kilos> lol
[20:01] <inetpro> just need some more ingredients
[20:02] <Kilos> what did you put there inetpro  
[20:02] <Kilos> the other contact info etc
[20:02] <Kilos> we can rope in Mopkop  too remember
[20:02] <Mopkop> Yea. I'm game :)
[20:03] <Kilos> maybe it can go live before the cc decides on council members
[20:03] <superfly> i need to figure out how to play minetest with my cardboard
[20:03] <Kilos> lol
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, I was powerless, remember!?
[20:04] <Kilos> yes
[20:04] <superfly> inetpro: your normal excuse :-P
[20:04]  * inetpro has a good excuse
[20:04] <Kilos> but only till 7 am 
[20:04] <inetpro> :-)
[20:04] <Kilos> thats 15 hours ago
[20:05] <inetpro> ai!
[20:05] <inetpro> ok, ok, I was lazy also
[20:05] <Kilos> hee hee
[20:05] <inetpro> and I was afk as well
[20:05] <Kilos> what has to be done still before it can go live
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: ingredients!!!
[20:06] <superfly> Kilos: coffee, according to inetpro, which I think he said he's providing
[20:06] <Kilos> man i told you i could get in to lp to see it
[20:06] <Kilos> all avy
[20:06] <Kilos> aha 
[20:07] <Kilos> inetpro  put the coffee
[20:07] <Kilos> please
[20:07] <inetpro> Kilos: what information do you want people to see on the site?
[20:07] <Kilos> links to the same stuff as on our site
[20:07] <Kilos> get ubuntu etc
[20:08] <Kilos> i dont know what list to use there i already getting many mails
[20:08] <Mopkop> Maybe a page to link all the different LoCo's?
[20:08] <Kilos> yes please Mopkop  
[20:09] <inetpro> isn't that dynamic kind of stuff that is better hosted on the wiki as is?
[20:09] <Kilos> or a link to the wiki with the missing ones
[20:09] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams#preview
[20:10] <inetpro> I wouldn't put that on the website
[20:10] <Kilos> ok
[20:10] <Kilos> thats why you are here
[20:11] <Mopkop> Usually when designing a website I work backwards. I start by thinking what people would type in to Google to get to our site. And then I build the site based on what I think they would like to see on the site. 
[20:11] <Kilos> im the greeter bot remember, already you have me running around serving coffee
[20:12] <Kilos> too late to go backwards Mopkop  
[20:12] <Kilos>  http://ubuntu-africa.snyman.info/
[20:12] <Kilos> thats a must
[20:12] <Kilos> maybe something to tell peeps to refresh a few time
[20:13] <Kilos> i think this is about the best site out there
[20:13] <Mopkop> That's just a template. I'm thinking of the content.
[20:13] <inetpro> eish! The wiki very slow again this evening
[20:14] <inetpro> Kilos: that is really just en empty shell
[20:14] <Kilos> prettiest shell out there
[20:14] <Kilos> the refresh bit is very cool
[20:14] <Kilos> well done my fly
[20:15] <inetpro> lol
[20:15] <Kilos> hopefully my last list mail brings more peeps
[20:15] <Mopkop> People would want to know what Ubuntu Africa does, how to join the team, where to get support and so on. Working backwards also helps with SEO. 
[20:16] <Kilos> that is in our site already just needs links changed
[20:17] <Kilos> Mopkop  do the thing
[20:17] <Kilos> um
[20:17] <Mopkop> Yes I like the theme also. Well done superfly!
[20:17] <Kilos> bzr thing
[20:17] <Kilos> and work backwards then
[20:17] <Mopkop> On Ubuntu-africa?
[20:17] <Kilos> ill be here 
[20:17] <Kilos> yes
[20:17] <inetpro> why?
[20:18] <Kilos> well point him there to see whats done inetpro  
[20:18] <Kilos> to your merge thing
[20:18] <Kilos> and dont start the why thing again
[20:19] <inetpro> lol
[20:19] <Kilos> hehe
[20:19] <Kilos> and i need a link so i can see
[20:19]  * inetpro needs to change strategies
[20:19] <Kilos> not a lp page
[20:19] <inetpro> the why trap is failing 
[20:19] <Kilos> lol
[20:19] <Kilos> nono
[20:19] <Kilos> hehe
[20:20] <Kilos> im not 3 im 63
[20:20] <inetpro> Kilos: who?
[20:20] <Mopkop> Haha
[20:20] <Kilos> who what?
[20:20] <Mopkop> Kilos: Which branch should I get?
[20:21] <inetpro> who is the site for?
[20:21] <Kilos> the latest one inetpro put there
[20:21] <Mopkop> Ok...
[20:21] <Kilos> it is for all of us inetpro  
[20:21] <inetpro> no
[20:21] <Kilos> dont forget its for all of africa but driven by za
[20:22] <inetpro> Mopkop: lp:ubuntu-africa
[20:22] <Kilos> thats why i asked this morning about my team twit
[20:22] <inetpro> Kilos: keep it simple, stay static with just the bare minimum
[20:23] <Kilos> i will promote the site my team built
[20:23] <Kilos> tell Mopkop  
[20:23] <Kilos> Mopkop  listen to the man hey
[20:24] <Kilos> we dont want slow eye candy
[20:24] <Kilos> we want fast efficient info site
[20:24] <Kilos> the template thing is all the pretty we need
[20:25] <Kilos> right or wrong inetpro  ?
[20:25] <Mopkop> Haha, Yes even though I still think CMS is best for team projects. At least we have a fast site.
[20:25] <Mopkop> lp:ubuntu-africa is still the same as last?
[20:25] <Kilos> fast is the answer in todays world
[20:25] <Mopkop> And I still can't see the pictures, without putting in that Javascript thingy.
[20:25] <inetpro> Kilos: yes and no
[20:26] <Kilos> explain
[20:26] <Kilos> this isnt an afrikaans channel ja nee
[20:26] <inetpro> Kilos: yes it's the same but no it was reversed to remove your twit pages and then merged with the new theme
[20:27] <Kilos> is the theme the template
[20:27] <inetpro> so in effect, the fly has really done all the work still
[20:27] <Kilos> yes as he says as usual
[20:27] <Kilos> but we love him for it
[20:28]  * inetpro merely assisted by mixing the ingredients
[20:28] <Kilos> and its constructive work that will live on after him
[20:29] <Kilos> what ingredients?
[20:29] <inetpro> ai!
[20:30] <Mopkop> Lol.
[20:30] <Mopkop> So far just the coffee I think.
[20:30] <Kilos> you sent Mopkop  to a blank site with only template
[20:31] <Kilos> there should be a link to #ubuntu-africa
[20:31] <superfly> Mopkop: a CMS is a security nightmare waiting to happen... only in the case of WordPress, it's been happening for the last 10 years.
[20:31] <Kilos> and if someone wants to do it a mailing list
[20:31] <superfly> (and WordPress isn't a CMS in the real sense either)
[20:32] <superfly> Kilos: I'm going to set up ubuntu-africa.info at the end of this month
[20:32] <Mopkop> superfly: I can confirm that. I've been hacked with Joomla once. 
[20:32] <Kilos> cool ty superfly  ill try get the guys to do something there
[20:32] <superfly> Mopkop: Joomla is just a mess
[20:33] <Kilos> did you look at what the pro proposed superfly  
[20:33] <superfly> Mopkop: if I *have* to use PHP, I use Drupal. Otherwise I'd rather use static, or something written in Python
[20:34] <superfly> Kilos: I'm not sure if I'm following... you'll have to explain it to me,.
[20:34] <Kilos> superfly  inetpro  did something there and its waiting for approval
[20:34] <superfly> oh
[20:35] <superfly> I'll go have a look
[20:35] <Kilos> ty
[20:35] <inetpro> Kilos: oh?
[20:35] <Kilos> oh my
[20:35] <inetpro> superfly: no
[20:35]  * inetpro has added nothing else, just yet
[20:35] <Mopkop> superfly: Never tried Drupal before. CMS is good when many people have to collaborate, and you have 800+ pages. I can't find a good CMS static generator. I thought of making one myself.
[20:35] <superfly> Kilos: yeaah, I don't see anything
[20:35] <Kilos> eish
[20:36] <superfly> Mopkop: static site generators are too technical for most plebs
[20:36] <superfly> (and dominees)
[20:36] <Kilos> lol
[20:37] <Kilos> inetpro  where are the ingredients
[20:37] <Mopkop> Lol, then a Joomla-static-converter. :) That would be nice :)
[20:37] <superfly> inetpro: what's your proposal, oom?
[20:37] <inetpro> Kilos: last I remember was where I struggled to get you to visit a simple web page
[20:37] <Kilos> nono man moppie doen dit soos vlieg dit doen hy weet van
[20:38] <inetpro> Kilos: https://trello.com/c/hRfmh5Kd/45-build-ubuntu-africa-site
[20:38] <Kilos> sigh
[20:39] <Kilos> what you want there inetpro  ? a comment?
[20:39] <inetpro> superfly: what more do we need other than on the trello checklist?
[20:41] <inetpro> in other words, the crucial items for now are: 1. Content for the Front page, 2. Get involved page and 3. IRC page
[20:41] <Mopkop> Do we just need the 3 things on the checklist for the site to go online?
[20:41] <superfly> inetpro: I think that's probaby all.. apart from a couple of links to the wiki
[20:41] <superfly> inetpro, Mopkop: pretty much
[20:42]  * inetpro can agree on that
[20:42] <inetpro> we can always discuss anything else later
[20:43] <Kilos> is the hosting and config your stuff superfly  ?
[20:43] <superfly> Kilos: yes, I'll organise that.
[20:43] <Kilos> cool ty so Mopkop  and inetpro  are tied to the rest
[20:45] <Mopkop> Ok, can we remove the current pages. The 'tags' and 'RSS'. I really do not see the use for it in a static site. 
[20:45] <Mopkop> And 'Archive'
[20:45] <Kilos> superfly  inetpro  ^^
[20:46] <inetpro> yes and Source
[20:47] <Mopkop> Just one more question. Are the picture suppose to not show in the trunk version of the site? Just wondering if it is not maybe a problem with my Nikola
[20:48] <Kilos> oh i was missing nikola
[20:48] <superfly> Mopkop: I'm not sure if they'll work locally, because I think I address some things as though you're on the internet
[20:48] <superfly> Mopkop: that's easy. edit the conf.py file
[20:48] <superfly> (your first question)
[20:49] <Kilos> superfly  whats that thing you doing minetest on
[20:49] <inetpro> Mopkop: nikola --version
[20:50] <superfly> Kilos: want to do, not am. Google Cardboard.
[20:50] <Kilos> is that a thing like a pi
[20:50] <superfly> ek moet gaan slaap. nag mense
[20:50] <Mopkop> superfly: Yes I know about the menu thingies. I just thought the bootstrap Javascript you added to the site is missing in the trunk. If I copy-paste that code in the footer into my local copy and make a file to contain the script, it works locally.
[20:50] <Mopkop> inetpro: Nikola v7.3.1
[20:50] <Kilos> sleep tight superfly  
[20:50] <Mopkop> Nag superfly!
[20:51] <inetpro> Mopkop: I have v7.3.0 and I see pictures
[20:51] <inetpro> lemme upgrade quick
[20:52] <superfly> Mopkop: oh, did I forget to commit the file? ai.
[20:53] <superfly> remind me tomorrow evening, I'll go add it
[20:53] <Mopkop> Ok, I'll do that. 
[20:53] <superfly> anyway, night night
[20:53] <inetpro> works for me
[20:53] <Mopkop> inetpro: That is what I was afraid of.
[20:54] <Mopkop> Let's see, maybe it's just firefox.
[20:55] <inetpro> sorry Mopkop, maybe I was just not understanding your issues
[20:55] <Mopkop> Nope, not just with Firefox. 
[20:56] <Mopkop> Maybe it's not branching the new commits.
[20:56]  * inetpro is lost now
[20:57] <inetpro> Mopkop: not branching the new commits?
[20:58] <Mopkop> I mean, maybe an older version is still stored, and the update command doesn't work.
[20:58] <inetpro> Mopkop: did you create your own branch?
[20:58] <Mopkop> No.
[20:59] <Mopkop> Let's see let me just delete everything and start over again.
[20:59] <inetpro> start by doing that before you edit anything
[20:59] <inetpro> Mopkop: I use the instructions as found at https://trello.com/c/wLYOqOld
[21:00] <inetpro> just use ubuntu-africa in stead of ubuntu-za 
[21:00] <Kilos> w00t i see it
[21:01] <inetpro> ai! 
[21:01] <inetpro> time running out again
[21:01] <Mopkop> webassets might be the problem. Nikola uses a lot of add-ons
[21:01] <Kilos> all day i forgot about the long nikola routine
[21:03] <Kilos> why is the kasbah missing
[21:03] <Kilos> whatever a kasbah is
[21:03]  * inetpro heading off to get some sleep
[21:03] <inetpro> good night
[21:03] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[21:03] <Kilos> ty for the help
[21:04] <Mopkop> Nag!
[21:04] <Kilos> se jy ook nag seun?
[21:05] <Mopkop> Ek gaan ook nou gaan slaap, sodra ek uigefigure het waarom webassets nie wil install nie.
[21:05] <Kilos> ok dankie vir die hulp.lekker slaap
[21:05] <Kilos> het jy nikola build gedoen
[21:06] <Kilos> van die trunk af
[21:07] <Mopkop> Ja, dieselfde probleem...
[21:07] <Kilos> ai!
[21:07] <Kilos> dit loop mooi hier in chrome
[21:07] <Mopkop> Ek is seker dit is een of ander add-on vir Nikola wat nie gelaai is nie.
[21:07] <Kilos> en ek like nie chrome nie
[21:07] <Mopkop> Kom ons probeer dan Chrome...
[21:08] <Mopkop> Chrome dink alles wat ek intik wil ek Google :(
[21:09] <Kilos> lol
[21:09] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s25uEMOMOr
[21:09] <Kilos> daar is als wat nikola build moet gaan haal
[21:12] <Mopkop> Dankie! Ek probeer dit nou vergelyk met myne, maar myne doen dit in 'n heeltemal ander volgorde.
[21:13] <Mopkop> Ek wonder of bzr al die files gaan kry...
[21:14] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2N95IpfJi
[21:14] <Kilos> dis hoe ek my goed opstel
[21:15] <Mopkop> Ek kon sweer dis hoe ek dit gedoen het.
[21:15] <Mopkop> Maar laat ek van voor af probeer...
[21:15] <Kilos> lol
[21:18] <Kilos> moet jy nie slaap nie seun?
[21:19] <Mopkop> Steeds dieselfde probleem. Ja ek dink ek gaan maar slaap. En aan sukkel sodra my taak klaar is môre. Lekker slaap oom!
[21:19] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[21:19] <Kilos> sien jou more
[21:19] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight