[09:13] <ali1234> i just lost input on a second panel and then the whole panel crashed
[09:16] <ali1234> trying to get a proper stack trace now...
[10:01] <elfy> knome: \o/ someone else has seen the disappearing desktop icons too ... 
[10:03] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[10:03] <ochosi> xfdesktop4.12.1 was just released with a bunch of bugfixes, maybe that one's fixed too
[10:04]  * ochosi wouldn't know because he doesn't use desktop icons at all...
[10:05] <brainwash> yes, already fixed
[10:06] <elfy> I'll wait till I see it before I agree it's fixed then :p
[10:06] <ochosi> hehe, sure
[10:06] <elfy> was there a bug for it that you know of brainwash ?
[10:06] <elfy> oh - I'm sad now - where's brainvvash gone lol 
[10:07] <brainwash> yes, the original report is closed
[10:07] <elfy> got the number? 
[10:07] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11639
[10:08] <elfy> might want to mark https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11741 as dupe then
[10:08] <brainwash> mmh, 4.12.1 has already a regression, because eric did not apply my recent changes :/
[10:09] <brainwash> elfy: you should be able to mark it as dupe, because you've created that report
[10:11] <elfy> done that 
[10:12] <brainwash> thanks
[10:12] <elfy> not sure why I couldn't see it when I searched though *shrug*
[10:14] <elfy> bugzilla has untrusted connection as well xfce forum btw 
[10:14] <ochosi> yeah, should be fixed shortly
[10:15] <elfy> I assumed so - I also trusted it :p
[10:18] <ochosi> elfy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ILPl5FQaM
[10:18] <elfy> :)
[10:18] <ochosi> (imo all websites with expired certs should link to that)
[10:18] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[11:23] <bluesabre> good morning folks
[11:24] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[11:24] <ochosi> new xfdesktop release = work for you :]
[11:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: indeed
[11:24] <bluesabre> I'm starting at the top of the list this morning, https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce412.html
[11:25] <bluesabre> I think Noskcaj had mentioned that debian packaging is slowing down for a while, boo, I'll have to package things myself instead of syncing :P
[11:26] <ochosi> btw, i'm preparing xfpm 1.4.4 as we speak
[11:26] <bluesabre> gtk2 or gtk3?
[11:26] <ochosi> but i think we wont be able to push that into 15.04, because it has a new feature
[11:26] <ochosi> gtk2
[11:27] <ochosi> (trayicon is back)
[11:27] <ochosi> all in all mostly translations and some minor fixes
[11:27] <bluesabre> cool
[11:27] <ochosi> maybe one of the last 1.4 / gtk2 releases for xfpm :)
[11:27] <ochosi> after that, devel release for gtk3
[11:27] <bluesabre> the trayicon is a duplicate feature, so we can include it
[11:28] <ochosi> duplicate feature?
[11:28] <bluesabre> isn't it basically the same as the panel plugin?
[11:28] <ochosi> oh right
[11:28] <ochosi> yeah
[11:37] <brainwash> bluesabre: first you should revert the commit for https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9570 :)
[11:39] <brainwash> I've tested with thunderbird (pops up a dialog for account creation) and thunar + xfce4-terminal which run a daemon by default
[11:39] <brainwash> so I did not notice anything strange
[11:43] <brainwash> vivid has still 0.10.3
[11:45] <bluesabre> brainwash: instead of reverting, want to explore some of the later comments with getting the proper timestamp?
[11:48] <brainwash> I will, but the last comment is not very optimistic
[11:48] <bluesabre> thanks
[11:51] <brainwash> I should have verified that everything works fine by checking the values :/
[11:51] <knome> elfy, oi :)
[11:54] <elfy> good day to you bluesabre 
[12:00] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[12:01] <bluesabre> no more time for packaging now, bbl
[12:11] <Unit193> ochosi: Trayicon. \o/
[12:22] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, we'll likely keep it around in gtk3 as well
[12:23] <Unit193> Also, that clip apply to self signed too? ;)
[12:24] <ochosi> eh, sorry i don't follow
[13:57] <ochosi> Unit193: so what did you mean earlier exactly?
[14:10] <jjfrv8> knome, did as you suggested: bug 1435009
[14:10] <knome> jjfrv8, thanks
[16:58] <ochosi> elfy: Unit193 was kind enough to upload the new gmusicbrowser 1.1.14 to our staging PPA. as we might try to get a FFe for it for 15.04, it would be much appreciated if you could take it for a spin or motivate any other testers to do so
[16:59] <ochosi> particularly there seems to be one bug that - at least so far - seems fixed for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1401609
[17:07] <elfy> aha
[17:07] <elfy> funny that ... I was having a look earlier today and seemed to get that 
[17:09] <elfy> ochosi: mmm - I have that version here currently
[17:09] <micahg> ooh
[17:09] <ochosi> which version? 1.1.14?
[17:09] <micahg> so, everything else the same?
[17:09] <micahg> vivid, up to datE?
[17:09] <elfy> ochosi:  the one on ppa 
[17:10] <elfy> micahg: it's very rare that this machine is ever anything but up to date :p
[17:10] <elfy> given a 3 or 4 hour window
[17:10] <micahg> both of you have both gstreamer 1.0 and 0.10 installed?
[17:10] <elfy> I do 
[17:10] <ochosi> yeah
[17:10] <ochosi> crap, mine crashed just now
[17:11] <elfy> mine's trying to shutdown ... 
[17:11] <ochosi> the error report looked a bit different, but i'll try to reproduce
[17:11] <micahg> ok, maybe try filing a new report and seeing if the stacktrace is the same
[17:11] <micahg> could be a similar but different bug
[17:11] <elfy> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[17:11] <micahg> that could mean a thousand things :)
[17:12] <elfy> ofc
[17:12] <elfy> and ... 
[17:12] <elfy> this package is not official - can't report viia apport
[17:13] <micahg> I thought there was an option to override that...
[17:13] <ochosi> hm, seems that gmusicbrowser can't be run through gdb
[17:14] <micahg> it's perl...
[17:15]  * ochosi facepalms
[17:15] <micahg>  it has its own -debug and -backtrace options :)
[17:16] <ochosi> yeah, while i know all that i guess i've worked with C too much and forgot about that now :)
[17:16] <elfy> well if and when someone wants me to do anything other than say it's fubar let me know
[17:16] <ochosi> hehe, ok, will do
[17:16] <elfy> though tbh I'm not going to try using it much 
[17:17] <ochosi> first i'll check whether i can get a meaningful backtrace/idea of what's going on exactly
[17:17] <elfy> I've got the crash report - maybe manually reporting and then apport-cli to push that to manual report
[17:26] <ochosi> yeah, that'd be great
[17:26] <ochosi> please link it if you manage
[17:27] <ochosi> either way, i've forwarded our concern upstream
[17:40] <elfy> ochosi: mmm no idea - I've unpacked the crash report though - could attach the results - but there's a whole bunch of stuff
[17:40] <ochosi> i ran gmb from the terminal and attached the backtrace i got there
[17:41] <elfy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10653735/ is what's inside the crash report
[17:41] <elfy> if you've done the upstream one - you could add it to bug 1435043
[17:41] <elfy> I guess
[17:43] <ochosi> i did
[17:43] <ochosi> stacktrace and coredump might be interesting
[17:44] <ochosi> but i dunno
[17:44] <ochosi> i guess we can wait for the maintainer to reply
[18:09] <Unit193> ochosi: It wasn't important. :P  You linked a video about ssl certs, and being expired.  I asked if that also applied to self-signed. :P
[18:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: xfwm4 4.12.2-1, exo 0.10.4-1, parole 0.8.0-1, xfce4-power-manager 1.4.4-1, xfce4-session 4.12.1-1, xfdesktop4 4.12.1-1 hit.
[18:16] <ochosi> oh ok :)
[18:16] <ochosi> and nice ^
[18:35] <bluesabre> Unit193: very cool
[18:36] <Unit193> Don't think it matters, but you know, fyi... Doing my jobdeded.
[18:38]  * bluesabre gives Unit193 the Debian Liaison of the Year award
[18:43] <elfy> he'll be able to look at that 24/7 ... 
[19:15] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you need help with any of the remaining 4.12 merges?
[20:18] <Noskcaj> Does someone have time to confirm lp:1435068
[20:19] <Noskcaj> bug 1435068