| gordon_ | thanks, I will find something for me in next release. are there some docs how to setup env and stuff ? | 01:58 |
|---|---|---|
| valorie | gordon_: what sort of environment? | 02:25 |
| valorie | for what purpose? | 02:25 |
| gordon_ | fixing kde or packages | 02:25 |
| valorie | sure, you'll want to be in #kde-devel and look at the /topic there | 02:26 |
| valorie | lots of helpful links | 02:26 |
| gordon_ | ok, thank you | 02:28 |
| valorie | it will be lovely to have another kubuntu user also working upstream, gordon_ | 02:36 |
| gordon_ | well, if I will make some time. | 02:48 |
| gordon_ | I'm using arch now | 02:48 |
| valorie | ok | 02:50 |
| jussi | afternoon all, anyone awake? | 04:07 |
| sgclark | not for long | 04:09 |
| ahoneybun | jussi: still here as well | 04:11 |
| jussi | :) | 04:12 |
| jussi | Havent been in for a while, wanted to say hi :) | 04:12 |
| sgclark | hi jussi :) | 04:13 |
| ahoneybun | howdy jussi | 04:13 |
| valorie | jussi: how's life? | 04:29 |
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| ahoneybun | dark? | 04:57 |
| jussi | Hi valorie - doing well, very busy with the 2 kids now :) | 06:15 |
| * sitter somehow doesn't feel like going to akademy this year | 08:33 | |
| valorie | :( | 08:33 |
| valorie | I'm not sure I can | 08:34 |
| valorie | I was feeling cocky and making plans | 08:34 |
| valorie | but ..... gotta look at the calendar with a magnifying glass and see the future, I guess | 08:34 |
| valorie | you aren't tempted by Spain? | 08:35 |
| sitter | if you don't attend I will most certainly not attend either :P | 08:35 |
| valorie | pfff | 08:35 |
| valorie | I was just going to say, you will deprive me of Harold-hugs | 08:35 |
| sitter | tempted is a strong word. what is quite the turn off is the 5 hour travel time with layover in madrid | 08:35 |
| valorie | you could layover in Barcelona again | 08:36 |
| sitter | that's 5 times as distressing as a 1 hour flight | 08:36 |
| valorie | 5 hours and you are complaining!!!!!! | 08:36 |
| sitter | I no no | 08:36 |
| valorie | wimp! | 08:36 |
| * sitter don't handle flying well | 08:36 | |
| valorie | if it is less than 20 hours journey, it feels short | 08:36 |
| sitter | yah, I do not envy going from the west coast to akademy | 08:37 |
| valorie | and this time I could go by train | 08:37 |
| valorie | the bus was very comfortable though | 08:37 |
| sitter | spacushipu | 08:37 |
| valorie | Madrid --> Bilbao | 08:37 |
| valorie | spaceship would be awesomesauce | 08:38 |
| valorie | little blue box, best of all | 08:38 |
| sitter | I didn't attend bilbao one for pretty much all the same reasons | 08:38 |
| sitter | valorie: yeah! | 08:38 |
| valorie | Bilbao was a blast, although I got violently ill the last night | 08:39 |
| valorie | that part I could have done without | 08:39 |
| valorie | probably food poisoning | 08:40 |
| sitter | oh that reminds me, e.v. members get to stay like 8 days.... | 08:40 |
| valorie | thank goodness for the Indians who cooked me nice rice and veggies and helped me live | 08:40 |
| sitter | heh | 08:40 |
| sitter | dpkg --compare-versions 5.2.2a+git2 gt 4:5.2.2+git2; echo $? | 09:19 |
| sitter | 1 | 09:19 |
| sitter | bummer | 09:19 |
| * yofel doesn't know whether he can attend akademy yet either | 10:14 | |
| yofel | I might just go to debconf this year because it's near me | 10:14 |
| Riddell | sgclark: how's 5.2.2 doing? | 10:52 |
| mparillo | Riddell: assuming sgclark is enjoying a well-deserved sleep, 5.2.2 is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-staging and it did not squish jellyfish for soee or me. | 11:03 |
| soee | there are small problems | 11:05 |
| soee | packages installes fine, but what i experienced is muon topbar broken, now i hade problems with desktop effects, transparency etc. | 11:06 |
| soee | dark panel becomes translaprent but blurred, show desktop screen corner bind stops working, when panel all of sudden starts to be transparent i cant activate apps clicking on task manager, second screen corner bind (show all apps) shows app but if i select any they do not became active | 11:08 |
| soee | mparillo: can you test one thing ? | 11:10 |
| Riddell | sgclark: there's an update to kwin coming | 11:12 |
| soee | this is how dark panel and all widgets, notifications etc. look http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/23/workspace16.png | 11:14 |
| Riddell | sitter: "Logging colors are not available. Install logger-colors gem if desired" remind me how to do that? | 11:15 |
| Riddell | soee: got a screenshot of muon issue? | 11:16 |
| mparillo | soee: I can try. | 11:19 |
| sitter | Riddell: gem install logger-colors | 11:19 |
| sitter | sudo probably | 11:20 |
| * sitter not sure whether debian ruby team managed to default gems into $HOME yet | 11:20 | |
| soee_ | sorry had to rebot, system did not respond | 11:21 |
| soee_ | is muon connected somehow to plasma ? | 11:23 |
| soee_ | Riddell: are you going to push build for a new kwin ? | 11:31 |
| soee_ | *5.2.2 | 11:31 |
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| Riddell | Quintasan: google soc for kde only has about 25 applications compared to the 40 spaces we were offered last year so applications needed if you're interested | 11:38 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: deadline in end of the week I think | 11:38 |
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| KDDA | Riddell: do you maintain ownCloud for Kubuntu? | 11:52 |
| Riddell | KDDA: I did for a while, then it became clear their release model doesn't fit in at all with ubuntu's package model so I removed it | 11:53 |
| Riddell | it would be interesting to see if there's any different packaging model available for ubuntu now, extras.u.c seemed to disappear | 11:53 |
| KDDA | their releasemodel seems to be critical fixes! | 11:54 |
| Riddell | that's what happens with PHP :) | 11:55 |
| Riddell | but it's entirely fair that a web based approach has easy release updates, but that's not what ubuntu has | 11:55 |
| KDDA | it looks like a good project, have you or do you use it yourself? | 11:56 |
| seaLne | Riddell: i found the last unsold t-shirt from the first kubuntu ones i made, wonder if it might be worth having some sort of raffle/simple competition for it as part of the 10 years thing? its a medium which would limit the usefulness ofcourse | 11:59 |
| seaLne | not sure if anyone else though would consider it special | 11:59 |
| Riddell | seaLne: hmm interesting | 12:01 |
| Riddell | "submit your favourite memory of kubuntu to get a t-shirt" | 12:01 |
| Riddell | mparillo, ronnoc: what do you guys thing about doing something like that? ^^ | 12:02 |
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| KDDA | might be best to mention its a medium size :P | 12:07 |
| mparillo | I like it, but it might occasion a bit of Unity bashing. That is what originally led me to investigate Xubuntu and Kubuntu before settling here. | 12:07 |
| KDDA | :O who would bash Unity! | 12:08 |
| mparillo | Or as an alternative to a favorite memory, perhaps also your use cases. But let | 12:08 |
| mparillo | us not call it use cases, how about "how or why do you use kubuntu?" | 12:09 |
| KDDA | LOL that question still leads me back to Unity ! | 12:09 |
| mparillo | Maybe there is an open-ended way of asking it so we get good memories, useful information about how and why people use kubuntu, and maybe some stories to share. | 12:09 |
| KDDA | are there any how-to guides or videos on how to package? | 12:10 |
| Riddell | KDDA: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ maybe but ignore the bits on UDD (ubuntu distributed development) as it's just messy | 12:14 |
| Riddell | KDDA: but I'm happy to give you a tutorial any time you have a couple of hours spare | 12:14 |
| sgclark | morning | 12:16 |
| Riddell | hola sgclark chica | 12:16 |
| Riddell | sgclark: new kwin is just up on depot | 12:16 |
| sgclark | Riddell: okies | 12:17 |
| KDDA | couple of hours huh! | 12:19 |
| Riddell | packaging takes a couple of hours to learn and a lifetime to master :) | 12:19 |
| KDDA | you know the way Ubuntu has Amazon search built in, does Kubuntu have anything like that? | 12:21 |
| Tm_T | KDDA: no | 12:21 |
| KDDA | will it ever? | 12:22 |
| Riddell | I hope not :) | 12:22 |
| Riddell | is it actually useful? | 12:22 |
| Tm_T | KDDA: well you can search the internet or particular services through the quick launcher | 12:22 |
| Riddell | I can't imaging searching for "konsole" to open an application and wanting book suggestions | 12:22 |
| Tm_T | but out of the box no | 12:23 |
| Tm_T | hmmm, I don't think that is called quick launcher, what's that search/command field thingy is | 12:23 |
| seaLne | it was krunner | 12:24 |
| Tm_T | that yea | 12:25 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Alright, I just got the enrollment notice in English from my students affair office. | 12:37 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: who're you having a affair with | 12:40 |
| Quintasan | Badumtss. | 12:40 |
| Quintasan | :P | 12:40 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 12:40 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:46 |
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| soee | Riddell: i have updated kwin in 5.2.2, now all seems to work fine, so only muon left woth some problems | 13:26 |
| Riddell | soee: you have updated? what do you mean? | 13:29 |
| soee | Riddell: yes new version is in next-staging-0 | 13:30 |
| Riddell | oh cool, that'll be sgclark being wonderful | 13:31 |
| soee | yup | 13:31 |
| Riddell | soee: did you do a screenshot of muon? | 13:31 |
| soee | Riddell: muon had topbar with items like refresh list, edit sources etc. | 13:37 |
| soee | now it looks like this: https://youtu.be/Z2_VGyLClqA | 13:37 |
| mparillo | Are there three Muons? You show Package Manager. I have Discover and Update Manager. http://imgur.com/CO34ijs | 13:41 |
| soee | Well Discover and updater are like friendly gui for searching, installing and updating packages | 13:43 |
| soee | Muon is just a package manager without any fancy stuff | 13:43 |
| Riddell | yes there are | 13:47 |
| Riddell | we don't include muon normal any more, it's old school | 13:47 |
| Riddell | and we keep muon updater only because this version of discover has no release upgrade notification | 13:47 |
| Riddell | but they're available to install still | 13:48 |
| Riddell | ronnoc, mparillo: how about a wire article with a spanish accent for http://ubunlog.com/kubuntu-15-04-sera-una-de-las-mejores-distros-con-plasma-5/ ? | 14:39 |
| mparillo | ronnoc: Do you speak Spanish? If not, I can do it. Funny that the screen shot looks to be in English. | 14:42 |
| Riddell | they just took it from the announcement | 14:42 |
| sitter | Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/lastFailedBuild/console broken | 15:06 |
| mparillo | Google translate is my friend. I hope it did not embarrass me. http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=264 | 15:07 |
| Riddell | sitter: didn't you make it remove upstream patched on merge? | 15:08 |
| Riddell | mparillo: molt be! | 15:08 |
| sitter | Riddell: no | 15:11 |
| Riddell | sitter: ah that explains it. did you decide against it? | 15:11 |
| sitter | yes, upstream_ is also used for things that come from reviewboard (although they shouldn't really come from reviewboard anyway) | 15:12 |
| sitter | at any rate, removing all upstream_ patches potentially bypasses integration of patches that in fact are not upstream yet | 15:13 |
| Riddell | fair enough | 15:13 |
| soee | hm muon updates should have Install Updates button disabled if there are no any updates available | 15:15 |
| sitter | it has | 15:16 |
| sitter | you should file a bug though | 15:16 |
| soee | not for me | 15:16 |
| sitter | while testing it on friday I noticed that sometimes it gets confused about its state and looks for updates while the UI is enabled | 15:17 |
| sitter | which possibly is what you are seeing | 15:17 |
| soee | o i file a bug, | 15:19 |
| soee | muon and component updater ? | 15:19 |
| sitter | yes | 15:19 |
| soee | thank you | 15:19 |
| Riddell | " | 15:19 |
| Riddell | "I'll be honest, apart from just being objectively better than Windows, Amarok 2 is a big reason I like running Linux." twitter doesn't lie markey_work, amarok is better than windows :) | 15:19 |
| soee | ;o | 15:20 |
| Riddell | muon is working fine for me on upgrade to 5.2.2 | 15:23 |
| soee | oO | 15:24 |
| soee | Riddell: do you have the topbar etc ? | 15:24 |
| Riddell | soee: yep | 15:25 |
| Riddell | soee: try moving ~/.config/muondiscoverrc out the way? (save a copy for bug reports) | 15:26 |
| markey_work | Riddell: heh :) | 15:28 |
| soee | Riddell: i tried this yesterday i think | 15:28 |
| Riddell | mparillo: kubuntu certainly has a high profile on planet kde just now :) | 15:39 |
| Riddell | and not too bad on planet ubuntu either | 15:40 |
| soee | are you guys familiar with ruby and installing latest versions on *ubuntu servers ? | 15:50 |
| mparillo | The wire goes automagically to Planet KDE and Planet Ubuntu? | 15:50 |
| mparillo | But not to Twitter, right? | 15:51 |
| mparillo | That was Riddell | 15:51 |
| Riddell | mparillo: right | 15:51 |
| Riddell | I just put it on twitter | 15:51 |
| mparillo | Also on G+ now. | 16:22 |
| Riddell | yay :) | 16:23 |
| mparillo | Can anybody tell if these tips are on Kubuntu? It is the same author as a previous Kubuntu review: http://www.ocsmag.com/2015/03/21/some-cool-plasma-tips-and-tricks/ | 16:23 |
| Riddell | mparillo: only clue is the tag on the article is kubuntu | 16:24 |
| Riddell | so I guess it is | 16:24 |
| Riddell | wire article! :) | 16:24 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: I always knew that :) | 16:25 |
| mparillo | As you might say, well spotted. | 16:26 |
| allee | kid3 | 16:56 |
| soee | Riddell: any idea where else i can search for waht can cause ths muon problems ? | 16:59 |
| Riddell | soee: nope, try asking apol ? | 16:59 |
| allee | kubotu: newversion kid3 3.2.0 | 17:04 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1435435 | 17:04 |
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| soee | Riddell: btw. the muon you have tested it was 5.2.2 ? | 18:15 |
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| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: do you know who can help me write rewrite rules for the website? | 19:27 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: no need anymore | 20:20 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: ping | 20:20 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: pong | 20:22 |
| _Groo_ | guys, kdeconnect-plasma has a bug | 20:23 |
| _Groo_ | it recommends kdeconnect | 20:23 |
| _Groo_ | Recommends: kdeconnect | 20:23 |
| _Groo_ | and below it says it breaks kdeconnect :D | 20:23 |
| _Groo_ | Breaks: kdeconnect (<< 0.7.3-0ubuntu2) | 20:23 |
| _Groo_ | so you either recommend kdeconnect >> 0.7.3-0ubuntu2 | 20:23 |
| _Groo_ | or not at all :D | 20:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: can you help me with something on the Site? | 20:24 |
| yofel | _Groo_: no, the breaks/replaces is to prevent overwrite errors on upgrade. Nothing to fix there | 20:24 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: its missing the version | 20:24 |
| yofel | both breaks and replaces are versioned.. | 20:25 |
| yofel | the recommends doesn't have to be | 20:25 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: okdok :) | 20:25 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: btw are you seeing high cpu usage for plasmashell with latest git? | 20:25 |
| yofel | I'm not using CI. In plain vivid it behaves fine with my config | 20:26 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: yeah i suspect it has something to do with network-manager, although i also see cpu going up when i copy files for ex... | 20:28 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: btw it is more apparent with top, if you use the normal ksysguard, since it averages on the cpu core number, im might masquerade the number | 20:29 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: if you are seeing like 20% usage in plasmashell with ksysguard, is already too much, take a look with top and youll see that PS might be using like 90 to 110% cpu usage | 20:30 |
| yofel | oh, now that you mention it, I do see a bit excessive CPU usage whenever its does that waiting/processing animation. You get that on file copy after all.. | 20:30 |
| yofel | esp. annoying if something gets stuck in that state (anything network likes to do that) | 20:31 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: im having that consistently by just logging... it starts at 5% and 30 minutes later im already at 135% and xorg at 40% | 20:31 |
| _Groo_ | im back to unity :( its unbearable to use like this | 20:33 |
| BluesKaj | _Groo_, do you still have unity installed ? if so that seems to be a common problem with users who start with ubuntu and switch to kubuntu-desktop | 20:35 |
| BluesKaj | cpu usage creep | 20:35 |
| _Groo_ | BluesKaj: yes, because when i started with this system it was still kde 4 | 20:35 |
| _Groo_ | BluesKaj: well it doesnt make any sense though | 20:36 |
| _Groo_ | BluesKaj: im not using unity in any way when i log to kde | 20:36 |
| BluesKaj | _Groo_, agreed but it's a symptom nonetheless | 20:36 |
| _Groo_ | BluesKaj: well it was working fine till last week, its in the new git builds that the cpu high usage came back | 20:37 |
| BluesKaj | definitely needs investigation' | 20:37 |
| _Groo_ | BluesKaj: no other change whatsoever | 20:37 |
| BluesKaj | well, I've got 15.04 as aclean kubuntu install , no more cpu usage creep , but i'm still not a plasma 5 fan ...too many fav features that don't work and some have been dropped period | 20:39 |
| _Groo_ | BluesKaj: im a fan, ill wait till they get implemented again | 20:39 |
| _Groo_ | ive been using kde exclusively since 2.x :D | 20:40 |
| _Groo_ | i only use gnome/gtk/unity/whatever as a fallback | 20:40 |
| BluesKaj | still have a 14.10 Kubuntu fallbck install , which periodically use to get my nerves settled:) | 20:40 |
| _Groo_ | because i have the bad habit of always using cutting edge | 20:41 |
| _Groo_ | so i get cut sometimes :P | 20:41 |
| _Groo_ | the only thing that pissed me of in kf5 was the dropping of the .kde dir | 20:42 |
| _Groo_ | it was all cleanly organized there | 20:42 |
| _Groo_ | but nooooo, lets scatter the config and shit all over the place | 20:42 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: yea sorry I did not see that message | 20:42 |
| _Groo_ | now its a mess | 20:42 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: so there are 2 huge tasks right now | 20:42 |
| ovidiu-florin | 1. transform all categories to tags | 20:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | 2. edit permalinks to articles that don't work | 20:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: which do you want? | 20:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm working on 1, Laura (my wife) is working on 2 | 20:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | but there are hundreds to be done | 20:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | mention me when you answer | 20:44 |
| ovidiu-florin | 1 is a 2 part task | 20:45 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: not sure how to do either | 21:11 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: I've got ~25 more tags to create | 21:13 |
| ovidiu-florin | then I'll start migrating articles | 21:13 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: got to: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/wp-admin/edit-tags.php?taxonomy=category and click on the counter on the left | 21:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | Remember what category you clicked from | 21:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | selecct all articles, batch quick edit | 21:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | uncheck the category you came from, and add the tag with the same name | 21:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | make sure the tag exists | 21:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | use autocomplete | 21:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | type 3 letters then wait | 21:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | make sure you select the right existing tag, don't create new ones. | 21:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | use your mouse if you have to | 21:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | then update the articles | 21:16 |
| * ahoneybun is a bit off | 21:16 | |
| ovidiu-florin | move on to the next category | 21:16 |
| ahoneybun | too much at once | 21:16 |
| ahoneybun | counter? | 21:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | video call? | 21:16 |
| ahoneybun | google plus? | 21:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | jitsi? | 21:16 |
| ahoneybun | ??? | 21:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: https://meet.jit.si/WeirdAntelopesPierceCorrectly | 21:17 |
| ahoneybun | installing | 21:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: installing what? | 21:18 |
| ahoneybun | a deb | 21:18 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: loaded | 21:18 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: are you in?? | 21:20 |
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| ovidiu-florin | ok | 21:22 |
| soee | ekeke, current updates want to install upstart again ? | 21:22 |
| ovidiu-florin | tags exist for every category | 21:22 |
| debfx | soee: it's fine as long as upstart-sysv isn't installed | 21:31 |
| soee | debfx: ok thank you | 21:39 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: quick queston | 21:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | shoot | 21:45 |
| ahoneybun | *question | 21:45 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: some have kde sc and kde sc 4.5 | 21:45 |
| ahoneybun | show I add both tags and remove both cate? | 21:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | yes | 21:46 |
| ahoneybun | ok done | 21:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | one might search for a specific KDE SC | 21:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | or for all of them | 21:46 |
| ahoneybun | ok thanks ovidiu-florin | 21:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | no, thank you | 21:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: ^ | 21:47 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: one is marked as koffice but it is koffice3 | 21:48 |
| ahoneybun | *2 | 21:48 |
| ahoneybun | it is 2.2.1 | 21:48 |
| ahoneybun | fix? | 21:48 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: ^ | 21:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | Again, KOffice is general and KOffice 2 is specific | 21:49 |
| ahoneybun | so both? | 21:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | you can add just the one (like it was) or add them both, to make it better | 21:49 |
| ahoneybun | both done | 21:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | same for Kubuntu version number and codename | 21:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | one might search for Kubuntu 10.10 or for Kubuntu 10.10 codename | 21:50 |
| ahoneybun | ok thanks | 21:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | or just codename | 21:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | so add all of them | 21:50 |
| ahoneybun | oh kubuntu 10.10, codename | 21:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | OK, I've fixed 20 links | 21:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | maybe more, with the redirect rules I've made, but I haven't tested them yet | 21:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'll check them tomorrow | 21:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm off to bed | 21:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | good night | 21:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: if something is unclear, IMO leave it for later, or send me an email | 21:59 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm off | 21:59 |
| ahoneybun | ok thanks | 22:00 |
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