[01:58] thanks, I will find something for me in next release. are there some docs how to setup env and stuff ? [02:25] gordon_: what sort of environment? [02:25] for what purpose? [02:25] fixing kde or packages [02:26] sure, you'll want to be in #kde-devel and look at the /topic there [02:26] lots of helpful links [02:28] ok, thank you [02:36] it will be lovely to have another kubuntu user also working upstream, gordon_ [02:48] well, if I will make some time. [02:48] I'm using arch now [02:50] ok [04:07] afternoon all, anyone awake? [04:09] not for long [04:11] jussi: still here as well [04:12] :) [04:12] Havent been in for a while, wanted to say hi :) [04:13] hi jussi :) [04:13] howdy jussi [04:29] jussi: how's life? === ahoneycutt is now known as ahoneybun [04:57] dark? [06:15] Hi valorie - doing well, very busy with the 2 kids now :) [08:33] * sitter somehow doesn't feel like going to akademy this year [08:33] :( [08:34] I'm not sure I can [08:34] I was feeling cocky and making plans [08:34] but ..... gotta look at the calendar with a magnifying glass and see the future, I guess [08:35] you aren't tempted by Spain? [08:35] if you don't attend I will most certainly not attend either :P [08:35] pfff [08:35] I was just going to say, you will deprive me of Harold-hugs [08:35] tempted is a strong word. what is quite the turn off is the 5 hour travel time with layover in madrid [08:36] you could layover in Barcelona again [08:36] that's 5 times as distressing as a 1 hour flight [08:36] 5 hours and you are complaining!!!!!! [08:36] I no no [08:36] wimp! [08:36] * sitter don't handle flying well [08:36] if it is less than 20 hours journey, it feels short [08:37] yah, I do not envy going from the west coast to akademy [08:37] and this time I could go by train [08:37] the bus was very comfortable though [08:37] spacushipu [08:37] Madrid --> Bilbao [08:38] spaceship would be awesomesauce [08:38] little blue box, best of all [08:38] I didn't attend bilbao one for pretty much all the same reasons [08:38] valorie: yeah! [08:39] Bilbao was a blast, although I got violently ill the last night [08:39] that part I could have done without [08:40] probably food poisoning [08:40] oh that reminds me, e.v. members get to stay like 8 days.... [08:40] thank goodness for the Indians who cooked me nice rice and veggies and helped me live [08:40] heh [09:19] dpkg --compare-versions 5.2.2a+git2 gt 4:5.2.2+git2; echo $? [09:19] 1 [09:19] bummer [10:14] * yofel doesn't know whether he can attend akademy yet either [10:14] I might just go to debconf this year because it's near me [10:52] sgclark: how's 5.2.2 doing? [11:03] Riddell: assuming sgclark is enjoying a well-deserved sleep, 5.2.2 is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-staging and it did not squish jellyfish for soee or me. [11:05] there are small problems [11:06] packages installes fine, but what i experienced is muon topbar broken, now i hade problems with desktop effects, transparency etc. [11:08] dark panel becomes translaprent but blurred, show desktop screen corner bind stops working, when panel all of sudden starts to be transparent i cant activate apps clicking on task manager, second screen corner bind (show all apps) shows app but if i select any they do not became active [11:10] mparillo: can you test one thing ? [11:12] sgclark: there's an update to kwin coming [11:14] this is how dark panel and all widgets, notifications etc. look http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/23/workspace16.png [11:15] sitter: "Logging colors are not available. Install logger-colors gem if desired" remind me how to do that? [11:16] soee: got a screenshot of muon issue? [11:19] soee: I can try. [11:19] Riddell: gem install logger-colors [11:20] sudo probably [11:20] * sitter not sure whether debian ruby team managed to default gems into $HOME yet [11:21] sorry had to rebot, system did not respond [11:23] is muon connected somehow to plasma ? [11:31] Riddell: are you going to push build for a new kwin ? [11:31] *5.2.2 === soee_ is now known as soee [11:38] Quintasan: google soc for kde only has about 25 applications compared to the 40 spaces we were offered last year so applications needed if you're interested [11:38] Quintasan: deadline in end of the week I think === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch [11:52] Riddell: do you maintain ownCloud for Kubuntu? [11:53] KDDA: I did for a while, then it became clear their release model doesn't fit in at all with ubuntu's package model so I removed it [11:53] it would be interesting to see if there's any different packaging model available for ubuntu now, extras.u.c seemed to disappear [11:54] their releasemodel seems to be critical fixes! [11:55] that's what happens with PHP :) [11:55] but it's entirely fair that a web based approach has easy release updates, but that's not what ubuntu has [11:56] it looks like a good project, have you or do you use it yourself? [11:59] Riddell: i found the last unsold t-shirt from the first kubuntu ones i made, wonder if it might be worth having some sort of raffle/simple competition for it as part of the 10 years thing? its a medium which would limit the usefulness ofcourse [11:59] not sure if anyone else though would consider it special [12:01] seaLne: hmm interesting [12:01] "submit your favourite memory of kubuntu to get a t-shirt" [12:02] mparillo, ronnoc: what do you guys thing about doing something like that? ^^ === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [12:07] might be best to mention its a medium size :P [12:07] I like it, but it might occasion a bit of Unity bashing. That is what originally led me to investigate Xubuntu and Kubuntu before settling here. [12:08] :O who would bash Unity! [12:08] Or as an alternative to a favorite memory, perhaps also your use cases. But let [12:09] us not call it use cases, how about "how or why do you use kubuntu?" [12:09] LOL that question still leads me back to Unity ! [12:09] Maybe there is an open-ended way of asking it so we get good memories, useful information about how and why people use kubuntu, and maybe some stories to share. [12:10] are there any how-to guides or videos on how to package? [12:14] KDDA: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ maybe but ignore the bits on UDD (ubuntu distributed development) as it's just messy [12:14] KDDA: but I'm happy to give you a tutorial any time you have a couple of hours spare [12:16] morning [12:16] hola sgclark chica [12:16] sgclark: new kwin is just up on depot [12:17] Riddell: okies [12:19] couple of hours huh! [12:19] packaging takes a couple of hours to learn and a lifetime to master :) [12:21] you know the way Ubuntu has Amazon search built in, does Kubuntu have anything like that? [12:21] KDDA: no [12:22] will it ever? [12:22] I hope not :) [12:22] is it actually useful? [12:22] KDDA: well you can search the internet or particular services through the quick launcher [12:22] I can't imaging searching for "konsole" to open an application and wanting book suggestions [12:23] but out of the box no [12:23] hmmm, I don't think that is called quick launcher, what's that search/command field thingy is [12:24] it was krunner [12:25] that yea [12:37] Riddell: Alright, I just got the enrollment notice in English from my students affair office. [12:40] Quintasan: who're you having a affair with [12:40] Badumtss. [12:40] :P [12:40] :P [12:46] Hiyas all === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik [13:26] Riddell: i have updated kwin in 5.2.2, now all seems to work fine, so only muon left woth some problems [13:29] soee: you have updated? what do you mean? [13:30] Riddell: yes new version is in next-staging-0 [13:31] oh cool, that'll be sgclark being wonderful [13:31] yup [13:31] soee: did you do a screenshot of muon? [13:37] Riddell: muon had topbar with items like refresh list, edit sources etc. [13:37] now it looks like this: https://youtu.be/Z2_VGyLClqA [13:41] Are there three Muons? You show Package Manager. I have Discover and Update Manager. http://imgur.com/CO34ijs [13:43] Well Discover and updater are like friendly gui for searching, installing and updating packages [13:43] Muon is just a package manager without any fancy stuff [13:47] yes there are [13:47] we don't include muon normal any more, it's old school [13:47] and we keep muon updater only because this version of discover has no release upgrade notification [13:48] but they're available to install still [14:39] ronnoc, mparillo: how about a wire article with a spanish accent for http://ubunlog.com/kubuntu-15-04-sera-una-de-las-mejores-distros-con-plasma-5/ ? [14:42] ronnoc: Do you speak Spanish? If not, I can do it. Funny that the screen shot looks to be in English. [14:42] they just took it from the announcement [15:06] Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/lastFailedBuild/console broken [15:07] Google translate is my friend. I hope it did not embarrass me. http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=264 [15:08] sitter: didn't you make it remove upstream patched on merge? [15:08] mparillo: molt be! [15:11] Riddell: no [15:11] sitter: ah that explains it. did you decide against it? [15:12] yes, upstream_ is also used for things that come from reviewboard (although they shouldn't really come from reviewboard anyway) [15:13] at any rate, removing all upstream_ patches potentially bypasses integration of patches that in fact are not upstream yet [15:13] fair enough [15:15] hm muon updates should have Install Updates button disabled if there are no any updates available [15:16] it has [15:16] you should file a bug though [15:16] not for me [15:17] while testing it on friday I noticed that sometimes it gets confused about its state and looks for updates while the UI is enabled [15:17] which possibly is what you are seeing [15:19] o i file a bug, [15:19] muon and component updater ? [15:19] yes [15:19] thank you [15:19] " [15:19] "I'll be honest, apart from just being objectively better than Windows, Amarok 2 is a big reason I like running Linux." twitter doesn't lie markey_work, amarok is better than windows :) [15:20] ;o [15:23] muon is working fine for me on upgrade to 5.2.2 [15:24] oO [15:24] Riddell: do you have the topbar etc ? [15:25] soee: yep [15:26] soee: try moving ~/.config/muondiscoverrc out the way? (save a copy for bug reports) [15:28] Riddell: heh :) [15:28] Riddell: i tried this yesterday i think [15:39] mparillo: kubuntu certainly has a high profile on planet kde just now :) [15:40] and not too bad on planet ubuntu either [15:50] are you guys familiar with ruby and installing latest versions on *ubuntu servers ? [15:50] The wire goes automagically to Planet KDE and Planet Ubuntu? [15:51] But not to Twitter, right? [15:51] That was Riddell [15:51] mparillo: right [15:51] I just put it on twitter [16:22] Also on G+ now. [16:23] yay :) [16:23] Can anybody tell if these tips are on Kubuntu? It is the same author as a previous Kubuntu review: http://www.ocsmag.com/2015/03/21/some-cool-plasma-tips-and-tricks/ [16:24] mparillo: only clue is the tag on the article is kubuntu [16:24] so I guess it is [16:24] wire article! :) [16:25] Riddell: I always knew that :) [16:26] As you might say, well spotted. [16:56] kid3 [16:59] Riddell: any idea where else i can search for waht can cause ths muon problems ? [16:59] soee: nope, try asking apol ? [17:04] kubotu: newversion kid3 3.2.0 [17:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1435435 === ahoneycutt is now known as ahoneybun [18:15] Riddell: btw. the muon you have tested it was 5.2.2 ? === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [19:27] Riddell: do you know who can help me write rewrite rules for the website? [20:20] Riddell: no need anymore [20:20] ahoneybun: ping [20:22] ovidiu-florin: pong [20:23] <_Groo_> guys, kdeconnect-plasma has a bug [20:23] <_Groo_> it recommends kdeconnect [20:23] <_Groo_> Recommends: kdeconnect [20:23] <_Groo_> and below it says it breaks kdeconnect :D [20:23] <_Groo_> Breaks: kdeconnect (<< 0.7.3-0ubuntu2) [20:23] <_Groo_> so you either recommend kdeconnect >> 0.7.3-0ubuntu2 [20:23] <_Groo_> or not at all :D [20:24] ahoneybun: can you help me with something on the Site? [20:24] _Groo_: no, the breaks/replaces is to prevent overwrite errors on upgrade. Nothing to fix there [20:24] <_Groo_> yofel: its missing the version [20:25] both breaks and replaces are versioned.. [20:25] the recommends doesn't have to be [20:25] <_Groo_> yofel: okdok :) [20:25] <_Groo_> yofel: btw are you seeing high cpu usage for plasmashell with latest git? [20:26] I'm not using CI. In plain vivid it behaves fine with my config [20:28] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah i suspect it has something to do with network-manager, although i also see cpu going up when i copy files for ex... [20:29] <_Groo_> yofel: btw it is more apparent with top, if you use the normal ksysguard, since it averages on the cpu core number, im might masquerade the number [20:30] <_Groo_> yofel: if you are seeing like 20% usage in plasmashell with ksysguard, is already too much, take a look with top and youll see that PS might be using like 90 to 110% cpu usage [20:30] oh, now that you mention it, I do see a bit excessive CPU usage whenever its does that waiting/processing animation. You get that on file copy after all.. [20:31] esp. annoying if something gets stuck in that state (anything network likes to do that) [20:31] <_Groo_> yofel: im having that consistently by just logging... it starts at 5% and 30 minutes later im already at 135% and xorg at 40% [20:33] <_Groo_> im back to unity :( its unbearable to use like this [20:35] _Groo_, do you still have unity installed ? if so that seems to be a common problem with users who start with ubuntu and switch to kubuntu-desktop [20:35] cpu usage creep [20:35] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: yes, because when i started with this system it was still kde 4 [20:36] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: well it doesnt make any sense though [20:36] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: im not using unity in any way when i log to kde [20:36] _Groo_, agreed but it's a symptom nonetheless [20:37] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: well it was working fine till last week, its in the new git builds that the cpu high usage came back [20:37] definitely needs investigation' [20:37] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: no other change whatsoever [20:39] well, I've got 15.04 as aclean kubuntu install , no more cpu usage creep , but i'm still not a plasma 5 fan ...too many fav features that don't work and some have been dropped period [20:39] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: im a fan, ill wait till they get implemented again [20:40] <_Groo_> ive been using kde exclusively since 2.x :D [20:40] <_Groo_> i only use gnome/gtk/unity/whatever as a fallback [20:40] still have a 14.10 Kubuntu fallbck install , which periodically use to get my nerves settled:) [20:41] <_Groo_> because i have the bad habit of always using cutting edge [20:41] <_Groo_> so i get cut sometimes :P [20:42] <_Groo_> the only thing that pissed me of in kf5 was the dropping of the .kde dir [20:42] <_Groo_> it was all cleanly organized there [20:42] <_Groo_> but nooooo, lets scatter the config and shit all over the place [20:42] ovidiu-florin: yea sorry I did not see that message [20:42] <_Groo_> now its a mess [20:42] ahoneybun: so there are 2 huge tasks right now [20:43] 1. transform all categories to tags [20:43] 2. edit permalinks to articles that don't work [20:43] ahoneybun: which do you want? [20:43] I'm working on 1, Laura (my wife) is working on 2 [20:43] but there are hundreds to be done [20:44] mention me when you answer [20:45] 1 is a 2 part task [21:11] ovidiu-florin: not sure how to do either [21:13] ahoneybun: I've got ~25 more tags to create [21:13] then I'll start migrating articles [21:14] ahoneybun: got to: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/wp-admin/edit-tags.php?taxonomy=category and click on the counter on the left [21:14] Remember what category you clicked from [21:14] selecct all articles, batch quick edit [21:15] uncheck the category you came from, and add the tag with the same name [21:15] make sure the tag exists [21:15] use autocomplete [21:15] type 3 letters then wait [21:15] make sure you select the right existing tag, don't create new ones. [21:15] use your mouse if you have to [21:16] then update the articles [21:16] * ahoneybun is a bit off [21:16] move on to the next category [21:16] too much at once [21:16] counter? [21:16] video call? [21:16] google plus? [21:16] jitsi? [21:16] ??? [21:17] ahoneybun: https://meet.jit.si/WeirdAntelopesPierceCorrectly [21:17] installing [21:18] ahoneybun: installing what? [21:18] a deb [21:18] ovidiu-florin: loaded [21:20] ahoneybun: are you in?? === ahoneycutt is now known as ahoneybun [21:22] ok [21:22] ekeke, current updates want to install upstart again ? [21:22] tags exist for every category [21:31] soee: it's fine as long as upstart-sysv isn't installed [21:39] debfx: ok thank you [21:45] ovidiu-florin: quick queston [21:45] shoot [21:45] *question [21:45] ovidiu-florin: some have kde sc and kde sc 4.5 [21:46] show I add both tags and remove both cate? [21:46] yes [21:46] ok done [21:46] one might search for a specific KDE SC [21:46] or for all of them [21:47] ok thanks ovidiu-florin [21:47] no, thank you [21:47] ahoneybun: ^ [21:48] ovidiu-florin: one is marked as koffice but it is koffice3 [21:48] *2 [21:48] it is 2.2.1 [21:48] fix? [21:49] ovidiu-florin: ^ [21:49] Again, KOffice is general and KOffice 2 is specific [21:49] so both? [21:49] you can add just the one (like it was) or add them both, to make it better [21:49] both done [21:49] same for Kubuntu version number and codename [21:50] one might search for Kubuntu 10.10 or for Kubuntu 10.10 codename [21:50] ok thanks [21:50] or just codename [21:50] so add all of them [21:51] oh kubuntu 10.10, codename [21:58] OK, I've fixed 20 links [21:58] maybe more, with the redirect rules I've made, but I haven't tested them yet [21:58] I'll check them tomorrow [21:58] I'm off to bed [21:58] good night [21:59] ahoneybun: if something is unclear, IMO leave it for later, or send me an email [21:59] I'm off [22:00] ok thanks === rww is now known as rwwbuntu === rwwbuntu is now known as rww