[01:58] <gordon_> thanks, I will find something for me in next release. are there some docs how to setup env and stuff ?
[02:25] <valorie> gordon_: what sort of environment?
[02:25] <valorie> for what purpose?
[02:25] <gordon_> fixing kde or packages
[02:26] <valorie> sure, you'll want to be in #kde-devel and look at the /topic there
[02:26] <valorie> lots of helpful links
[02:28] <gordon_> ok, thank you
[02:36] <valorie> it will be lovely to have another kubuntu user also working upstream, gordon_
[02:48] <gordon_> well, if I will make some time.
[02:48] <gordon_> I'm using arch now
[02:50] <valorie> ok
[04:07] <jussi> afternoon all, anyone awake?
[04:09] <sgclark> not for long
[04:11] <ahoneybun> jussi: still here as well
[04:12] <jussi> :)
[04:12] <jussi> Havent been in for a while, wanted to say hi :)
[04:13] <sgclark> hi jussi :)
[04:13] <ahoneybun> howdy jussi
[04:29] <valorie> jussi: how's life?
[04:57] <ahoneybun> dark?
[06:15] <jussi> Hi valorie - doing well, very busy with the 2 kids now :)
[08:33]  * sitter somehow doesn't feel like going to akademy this year
[08:33] <valorie> :(
[08:34] <valorie> I'm not sure I can
[08:34] <valorie> I was feeling cocky and making plans
[08:34] <valorie> but ..... gotta look at the calendar with a magnifying glass and see the future, I guess
[08:35] <valorie> you aren't tempted by Spain?
[08:35] <sitter> if you don't attend I will most certainly not attend either :P
[08:35] <valorie> pfff
[08:35] <valorie> I was just going to say, you will deprive me of Harold-hugs
[08:35] <sitter> tempted is a strong word. what is quite the turn off is the 5 hour travel time with layover in madrid
[08:36] <valorie> you could layover in Barcelona again
[08:36] <sitter> that's 5 times as distressing as a 1 hour flight
[08:36] <valorie> 5 hours and you are complaining!!!!!!
[08:36] <sitter> I no no
[08:36] <valorie> wimp!
[08:36]  * sitter don't handle flying well
[08:36] <valorie> if it is less than 20 hours journey, it feels short
[08:37] <sitter> yah, I do not envy going from the west coast to akademy
[08:37] <valorie> and this time I could go by train
[08:37] <valorie> the bus was very comfortable though
[08:37] <sitter> spacushipu
[08:37] <valorie> Madrid --> Bilbao
[08:38] <valorie> spaceship would be awesomesauce
[08:38] <valorie> little blue box, best of all
[08:38] <sitter> I didn't attend bilbao one for pretty much all the same reasons
[08:38] <sitter> valorie: yeah!
[08:39] <valorie> Bilbao was a blast, although I got violently ill the last night
[08:39] <valorie> that part I could have done without
[08:40] <valorie> probably food poisoning
[08:40] <sitter> oh that reminds me, e.v. members get to stay like 8 days....
[08:40] <valorie> thank goodness for the Indians who cooked me nice rice and veggies and helped me live
[08:40] <sitter> heh
[09:19] <sitter> dpkg --compare-versions 5.2.2a+git2 gt 4:5.2.2+git2; echo $? 
[09:19] <sitter> 1
[09:19] <sitter> bummer
[10:14]  * yofel doesn't know whether he can attend akademy yet either
[10:14] <yofel> I might just go to debconf this year because it's near me
[10:52] <Riddell> sgclark: how's 5.2.2 doing?
[11:03] <mparillo> Riddell: assuming sgclark is enjoying a well-deserved sleep, 5.2.2 is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-staging and it did not squish jellyfish for soee or me.
[11:05] <soee> there are small problems
[11:06] <soee> packages installes fine, but what i experienced is muon topbar  broken, now i hade problems with desktop effects, transparency etc.
[11:08] <soee> dark panel becomes translaprent but blurred, show desktop screen corner bind stops working, when panel all of sudden starts to be transparent i cant activate apps clicking on task manager, second screen corner bind (show all apps) shows app but if i select any they do not became active
[11:10] <soee> mparillo: can you test one thing ?
[11:12] <Riddell> sgclark: there's an update to kwin coming
[11:14] <soee> this is how dark panel and all widgets, notifications etc. look http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/23/workspace16.png
[11:15] <Riddell> sitter: "Logging colors are not available. Install logger-colors gem if desired" remind me how to do that?
[11:16] <Riddell> soee: got a screenshot of muon issue?
[11:19] <mparillo> soee: I can try.
[11:19] <sitter> Riddell: gem install logger-colors
[11:20] <sitter> sudo probably
[11:20]  * sitter not sure whether debian ruby team managed to default gems into $HOME yet
[11:21] <soee_> sorry had to rebot, system did not respond
[11:23] <soee_> is muon connected somehow to plasma ?
[11:31] <soee_> Riddell: are you going to push build for a new kwin ?
[11:31] <soee_> *5.2.2
[11:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: google soc for kde only has about 25 applications compared to the 40 spaces we were offered last year so applications needed if you're interested
[11:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: deadline in end of the week I think
[11:52] <KDDA> Riddell: do you maintain ownCloud for Kubuntu?
[11:53] <Riddell> KDDA: I did for a while, then it became clear their release model doesn't fit in at all with ubuntu's package model so I removed it
[11:53] <Riddell> it would be interesting to see if there's any different packaging model available for ubuntu now, extras.u.c seemed to disappear
[11:54] <KDDA> their releasemodel seems to be critical fixes!
[11:55] <Riddell> that's what happens with PHP :)
[11:55] <Riddell> but it's entirely fair that a web based approach has easy release updates, but that's not what ubuntu has
[11:56] <KDDA> it looks like a good project, have you or do you use it yourself?
[11:59] <seaLne> Riddell: i found the last unsold t-shirt from the first kubuntu ones i made, wonder if it might be worth having some sort of raffle/simple competition for it as part of the 10 years thing? its a medium which would limit the usefulness ofcourse
[11:59] <seaLne> not sure if anyone else though would consider it special
[12:01] <Riddell> seaLne: hmm interesting
[12:01] <Riddell> "submit your favourite memory of kubuntu to get a t-shirt"
[12:02] <Riddell> mparillo, ronnoc: what do you guys thing about doing something like that? ^^
[12:07] <KDDA> might be best to mention its a medium size :P
[12:07] <mparillo> I like it, but it might occasion a bit of Unity bashing. That is what originally led me to investigate Xubuntu and Kubuntu before settling here.
[12:08] <KDDA> :O who would bash Unity!
[12:08] <mparillo> Or as an alternative to a favorite memory, perhaps also your use cases. But let
[12:09] <mparillo> us not call it use cases, how about "how or why do you use kubuntu?"
[12:09] <KDDA> LOL that question still leads me back to Unity !
[12:09] <mparillo> Maybe there is an open-ended way of asking it so we get good memories, useful information about how and why people use kubuntu, and maybe some stories to share.
[12:10] <KDDA> are there any how-to guides or videos on how to package?
[12:14] <Riddell> KDDA: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ maybe but ignore the bits on UDD (ubuntu distributed development) as it's just messy
[12:14] <Riddell> KDDA: but I'm happy to give you a tutorial any time you have a couple of hours spare
[12:16] <sgclark> morning
[12:16] <Riddell> hola sgclark chica
[12:16] <Riddell> sgclark: new kwin is just up on depot
[12:17] <sgclark> Riddell: okies
[12:19] <KDDA> couple of hours huh!
[12:19] <Riddell> packaging takes a couple of hours to learn and a lifetime to master :)
[12:21] <KDDA> you know the way Ubuntu has Amazon search built in, does Kubuntu have anything like that?
[12:21] <Tm_T> KDDA: no
[12:22] <KDDA> will it ever?
[12:22] <Riddell> I hope not :)
[12:22] <Riddell> is it actually useful?
[12:22] <Tm_T> KDDA: well you can search the internet or particular services through the quick launcher
[12:22] <Riddell> I can't imaging searching for "konsole" to open an application and wanting book suggestions
[12:23] <Tm_T> but out of the box no
[12:23] <Tm_T> hmmm, I don't think that is called quick launcher, what's that search/command field thingy is
[12:24] <seaLne> it was krunner
[12:25] <Tm_T> that yea
[12:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: Alright, I just got the enrollment notice in English from my students affair office.
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: who're you having a affair with
[12:40] <Quintasan> Badumtss.
[12:40] <Quintasan> :P
[12:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:26] <soee> Riddell: i have updated kwin in 5.2.2, now all seems to work fine, so only muon left woth some problems
[13:29] <Riddell> soee: you have updated? what do you mean?
[13:30] <soee> Riddell: yes new version is in next-staging-0
[13:31] <Riddell> oh cool, that'll be sgclark being wonderful
[13:31] <soee> yup
[13:31] <Riddell> soee: did you do a screenshot of muon?
[13:37] <soee> Riddell: muon had topbar with items like refresh list, edit sources etc.
[13:37] <soee> now it looks like this: https://youtu.be/Z2_VGyLClqA
[13:41] <mparillo> Are there three Muons? You show Package Manager. I have Discover and Update Manager. http://imgur.com/CO34ijs
[13:43] <soee> Well Discover and updater are like friendly gui for searching, installing and updating packages
[13:43] <soee> Muon is just a package manager without any fancy stuff
[13:47] <Riddell> yes there are
[13:47] <Riddell> we don't include muon normal any more, it's old school
[13:47] <Riddell> and we keep muon updater only because this version of discover has no release upgrade notification
[13:48] <Riddell> but they're available to install still
[14:39] <Riddell> ronnoc, mparillo: how about a wire article with a spanish accent for http://ubunlog.com/kubuntu-15-04-sera-una-de-las-mejores-distros-con-plasma-5/ ?
[14:42] <mparillo> ronnoc: Do you speak Spanish? If not, I can do it. Funny that the screen shot looks to be in English.
[14:42] <Riddell> they just took it from the announcement
[15:06] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/lastFailedBuild/console broken
[15:07] <mparillo> Google translate is my friend. I hope it did not embarrass me. http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=264
[15:08] <Riddell> sitter: didn't you make it remove upstream patched on merge?
[15:08] <Riddell> mparillo: molt be!
[15:11] <sitter> Riddell: no
[15:11] <Riddell> sitter: ah that explains it. did you decide against it?
[15:12] <sitter> yes, upstream_ is also used for things that come from reviewboard (although they shouldn't really come from reviewboard anyway)
[15:13] <sitter> at any rate, removing all upstream_ patches potentially bypasses integration of patches that in fact are not upstream yet
[15:13] <Riddell> fair enough
[15:15] <soee> hm muon updates should have Install Updates button disabled if there are no any updates available
[15:16] <sitter> it has
[15:16] <sitter> you should file a bug though
[15:16] <soee> not for me
[15:17] <sitter> while testing it on friday I noticed that sometimes it gets confused about its state and looks for updates while the UI is enabled
[15:17] <sitter> which possibly is what you are seeing
[15:19] <soee> o i file a bug, 
[15:19] <soee> muon and component updater ?
[15:19] <sitter> yes
[15:19] <soee> thank you
[15:19] <Riddell> "
[15:19] <Riddell> "I'll be honest, apart from just being objectively better than Windows, Amarok 2 is a big reason I like running Linux."  twitter doesn't lie markey_work, amarok is better than windows :)
[15:20] <soee> ;o
[15:23] <Riddell> muon is working fine for me on upgrade to 5.2.2
[15:24] <soee> oO
[15:24] <soee> Riddell: do you have the topbar etc ?
[15:25] <Riddell> soee: yep
[15:26] <Riddell> soee: try moving ~/.config/muondiscoverrc out the way? (save a copy for bug reports)
[15:28] <markey_work> Riddell: heh :)
[15:28] <soee> Riddell: i tried this yesterday i think
[15:39] <Riddell> mparillo: kubuntu certainly has a high profile on planet kde just now :)
[15:40] <Riddell> and not too bad on planet ubuntu either
[15:50] <soee> are you guys familiar with ruby and installing latest versions on *ubuntu servers ?
[15:50] <mparillo> The wire goes automagically to Planet KDE and Planet Ubuntu?
[15:51] <mparillo> But not to Twitter, right?
[15:51] <mparillo> That was Riddell
[15:51] <Riddell> mparillo: right
[15:51] <Riddell> I just put it on twitter
[16:22] <mparillo> Also on G+ now.
[16:23] <Riddell> yay :)
[16:23] <mparillo> Can anybody tell if these tips are on Kubuntu? It is the same author as a previous Kubuntu review: http://www.ocsmag.com/2015/03/21/some-cool-plasma-tips-and-tricks/
[16:24] <Riddell> mparillo: only clue is the tag on the article is kubuntu
[16:24] <Riddell> so I guess it is
[16:24] <Riddell> wire article! :)
[16:25] <Mamarok> Riddell: I always knew that :)
[16:26] <mparillo> As you might say, well spotted.
[16:56] <allee> kid3
[16:59] <soee> Riddell: any idea where else i can search for waht can cause ths muon problems ?
[16:59] <Riddell> soee: nope, try asking apol ?
[17:04] <allee> kubotu: newversion kid3 3.2.0
[17:04] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1435435
[18:15] <soee> Riddell: btw. the muon you have tested it was 5.2.2 ?
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you know who can help me write rewrite rules for the website?
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: no need anymore
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[20:22] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: pong
[20:23] <_Groo_> guys, kdeconnect-plasma has a bug
[20:23] <_Groo_> it recommends kdeconnect
[20:23] <_Groo_> Recommends: kdeconnect
[20:23] <_Groo_> and below it says it breaks kdeconnect :D
[20:23] <_Groo_> Breaks: kdeconnect (<< 0.7.3-0ubuntu2)
[20:23] <_Groo_> so you either recommend kdeconnect >> 0.7.3-0ubuntu2
[20:23] <_Groo_> or not at all :D
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: can you help me with something on the Site?
[20:24] <yofel> _Groo_: no, the breaks/replaces is to prevent overwrite errors on upgrade. Nothing to fix there
[20:24] <_Groo_> yofel: its missing the version
[20:25] <yofel> both breaks and replaces are versioned..
[20:25] <yofel> the recommends doesn't have to be
[20:25] <_Groo_> yofel: okdok :)
[20:25] <_Groo_> yofel: btw are you seeing high cpu usage for plasmashell with latest git?
[20:26] <yofel> I'm not using CI. In plain vivid it behaves fine with my config
[20:28] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah i suspect it has something to do with network-manager, although i also see cpu going up when i copy files for ex...
[20:29] <_Groo_> yofel: btw it is more apparent with top, if you use the normal ksysguard, since it averages on the cpu core number, im might masquerade the number
[20:30] <_Groo_> yofel: if you are seeing like 20% usage in plasmashell with ksysguard, is already too much, take a look with top and youll see that PS might be using like 90 to 110% cpu usage
[20:30] <yofel> oh, now that you mention it, I do see a bit excessive CPU usage whenever its does that waiting/processing animation. You get that on file copy after all..
[20:31] <yofel> esp. annoying if something gets stuck in that state (anything network likes to do that)
[20:31] <_Groo_> yofel: im having that consistently by just logging... it starts at 5% and 30 minutes later im already at 135% and xorg at 40%
[20:33] <_Groo_> im back to unity :( its unbearable to use like this 
[20:35] <BluesKaj> _Groo_, do you still have unity installed ? if so that seems to be a common problem with users who start with ubuntu and switch to kubuntu-desktop
[20:35] <BluesKaj> cpu usage creep
[20:35] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: yes, because when i started with this system it was still kde 4
[20:36] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: well it doesnt make any sense though
[20:36] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: im not using unity in any way when i log to kde
[20:36] <BluesKaj> _Groo_, agreed but it's a symptom nonetheless
[20:37] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: well it was working fine till last week, its in the new git builds that the cpu high usage came back
[20:37] <BluesKaj> definitely needs investigation'
[20:37] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: no other change whatsoever
[20:39] <BluesKaj> well, I've got 15.04 as aclean kubuntu install , no more cpu usage creep , but i'm still not a plasma 5 fan ...too many fav features that don't work and some have been dropped period
[20:39] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: im a fan, ill wait till they get implemented again
[20:40] <_Groo_> ive been using kde exclusively since 2.x :D
[20:40] <_Groo_> i only use gnome/gtk/unity/whatever as a fallback
[20:40] <BluesKaj> still have a 14.10 Kubuntu fallbck install , which periodically use to get my nerves settled:)
[20:41] <_Groo_> because i have the bad habit of always using cutting edge
[20:41] <_Groo_> so i get cut sometimes :P
[20:42] <_Groo_> the only thing that pissed me of in kf5 was the dropping of the .kde dir
[20:42] <_Groo_> it was all cleanly organized there
[20:42] <_Groo_> but nooooo, lets scatter the config and shit all over the place
[20:42] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: yea sorry I did not see that message
[20:42] <_Groo_> now its a mess
[20:42] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: so there are 2 huge tasks right now
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> 1. transform all categories to tags
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> 2. edit permalinks to articles that don't work
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: which do you want?
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> I'm working on 1, Laura (my wife) is working on 2
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> but there are hundreds to be done
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> mention me when you answer
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> 1 is a 2 part task
[21:11] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: not sure how to do either
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I've got ~25 more tags to create
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> then I'll start migrating articles
[21:14] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: got to: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/wp-admin/edit-tags.php?taxonomy=category and click on the counter on the left
[21:14] <ovidiu-florin> Remember what category you clicked from
[21:14] <ovidiu-florin> selecct all articles, batch quick edit
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> uncheck the category you came from, and add the tag with the same name
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> make sure the tag exists
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> use autocomplete
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> type 3 letters then wait
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> make sure you select the right existing tag, don't create new ones.
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> use your mouse if you have to
[21:16] <ovidiu-florin> then update the articles
[21:16]  * ahoneybun is a bit off
[21:16] <ovidiu-florin> move on to the next category
[21:16] <ahoneybun> too much at once
[21:16] <ahoneybun> counter?
[21:16] <ovidiu-florin> video call?
[21:16] <ahoneybun> google plus?
[21:16] <ovidiu-florin> jitsi?
[21:16] <ahoneybun> ???
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: https://meet.jit.si/WeirdAntelopesPierceCorrectly
[21:17] <ahoneybun> installing
[21:18] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: installing what?
[21:18] <ahoneybun> a deb
[21:18] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: loaded
[21:20] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: are you in??
[21:22] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[21:22] <soee> ekeke, current updates want to install upstart again ?
[21:22] <ovidiu-florin> tags exist for every category
[21:31] <debfx> soee: it's fine as long as upstart-sysv isn't installed
[21:39] <soee> debfx: ok thank you
[21:45] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: quick queston
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin> shoot
[21:45] <ahoneybun> *question
[21:45] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: some have kde sc and kde sc 4.5
[21:46] <ahoneybun> show I add both tags and remove both cate?
[21:46] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[21:46] <ahoneybun> ok done
[21:46] <ovidiu-florin> one might search for a specific KDE SC
[21:46] <ovidiu-florin> or for all of them
[21:47] <ahoneybun> ok thanks ovidiu-florin
[21:47] <ovidiu-florin> no, thank you
[21:47] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ^
[21:48] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: one is marked as koffice but it is koffice3
[21:48] <ahoneybun> *2
[21:48] <ahoneybun> it is 2.2.1
[21:48] <ahoneybun> fix?
[21:49] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ^
[21:49] <ovidiu-florin> Again, KOffice is general and KOffice 2 is specific
[21:49] <ahoneybun> so both?
[21:49] <ovidiu-florin> you can add just the one (like it was) or add them both, to make it better
[21:49] <ahoneybun> both done
[21:49] <ovidiu-florin> same for Kubuntu version number and codename
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin> one might search for Kubuntu 10.10 or for Kubuntu 10.10 codename
[21:50] <ahoneybun> ok thanks
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin> or just codename
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin> so add all of them
[21:51] <ahoneybun> oh kubuntu 10.10, codename
[21:58] <ovidiu-florin> OK, I've fixed 20 links
[21:58] <ovidiu-florin> maybe more, with the redirect rules I've made, but I haven't tested them yet
[21:58] <ovidiu-florin> I'll check them tomorrow
[21:58] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[21:58] <ovidiu-florin> good night
[21:59] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: if something is unclear, IMO leave it for later, or send me an email
[21:59] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off
[22:00] <ahoneybun> ok thanks