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Primula1380Any ideas?00:06
mparillohttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash but I prefer to use Google Chrome when I absolutely need flash, and keep it sandboxed there and only there.00:08
mparilloof course, you want kubuntu-restricted-extras, not ubuntu-restricted-extras.00:09
Primula1380thanks mparillo00:09
Primula1380well, I got 64 bit00:09
Primula1380mparillo I searched for flash-plugin installer using Muon Discovery and can't find it00:11
Primula1380flashplugin-installer00:12
Primula1380I think I either need to add a source to my Muon Discover Software Center, or I need to find another application used for installing sofware.  I forgot the name00:14
blues-mankde5 started but no sounds :( alsamixer also is not available00:14
blues-mananyone experienced sound issues after kde5 upgrade?00:16
denza252not sound issues00:19
denza252mostly network00:19
denza252and a few crashes00:19
Primula1380What is the name if tgat application?00:22
Primula1380It's used to install applications00:23
Primula1380What is the name of the program used to install applications.  It's almost the same as the Muon Discovery Software Center00:27
Primula1380Is it called K Software Manager?00:28
mparilloPrimula1380: Sorry, as I said, I only use Flash via Google Chrome. However, here might be a fun thread to read: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67346-Firefox-no-longer-supports-Shockwave-Flash-11-2-202-43800:28
Primula1380thanks mparillo00:29
blues-manmm I found out that I can only play sounds from root after kde upgrade00:31
mparilloblues-man: When you say from root, you mean kdesudo <name of your player>?00:35
blues-manmparillo, yes I mean that sudo aplay -l works while aplay -l no00:35
blues-manI tried also to add my user to audio and pulse group but with no success, I wonder why because with kde 4 was working, I just added ppa for 14.1000:36
Primula1380Would these commands work with Kubuntu:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash00:36
Primula1380Hey, I can't find the trash on my Kubuntu desktop, where is it located?00:39
Primula1380I tried looking in the KDE Help Center for information about finding the Trash, but there's nothing in there00:40
mparilloPrimula1380: It looks as if it should, but Kubuntu has muon instead of software center. I see trash in Dolphin.00:41
Primula1380I found the trash in Computer00:42
Primula1380How do you move the location of the shortcuts on the desktop?00:42
Primula1380I'm used to just left clicking and moving with the mouse, but that does not work in Kubuntu.  I think it works in Xubuntu00:43
Primula1380After I installed the Multiverse software source, nothing happened00:51
Primula1380I think the new repository did not get turned on00:52
Primula1380I tried closing and re-opening Muon Discovery Software Center, but that did not help00:53
Primula1380Do I need to add a source, something like ppa:user/repository to get the right source for the pepper flash plugin?00:54
Primula1380Which source should I add?00:54
Primula1380I'm pretty sure there's a better package manager that makes better use of sources, besides the Muon Discover Software thing, but I can't remember the name00:55
Primula1380I think it sounds something like K Package Manager, but I can't remember00:56
Primula1380Is it called Synaptic Package Manager?00:58
denza252Primula1380: muon01:01
Primula1380I asked about Synaptic Package Manager, because Muon is not recognizing my new source01:03
Primula1380Is there a Muon Package Manager?  Is that what it's called?01:04
Primula1380I just installed the Pepper Flash plugin using the Muon Package Manager, but when I opened Chromium, the plugin did not appear anywhere in my add on list01:18
Primula1380Do I need to update it, in order to get it to work on Chromium?01:21
Primula1380I ran this command on the command terminal:  sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree . . .  but it did not produce the result I was supposed to get01:26
Primula1380this is the result of the command:  Usage:   update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install   update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --uninstall   update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --status Additional options:   --verbose   --quiet01:26
Primula1380So, obviously it did not work01:27
Primula1380It was supposed to download a bunch of stuff and take a while, but the above results were instantaneous01:28
whichcatIs 15.04 plasma 5 or 4, or both01:35
krytarikwhichcat: Plasma 5.01:39
krytarikPrimula1380: You'd want the "--install" option.01:40
tweakhey, having an issue where a file manager called "Files" opens my home folder upon login, and i cannot figure out how to prevent this from happening. any ideas?01:41
Primula1380krytarik,  What do you mean by that?01:42
krytariktweak: Appears to be Nautilus.01:42
tweakkrytarik:  is there some way i can prevent this? if not, is uninstall safe?01:43
krytariktweak: You're using Kubuntu, so sure.01:43
Primula1380krytarik, how do I run the --install option?01:44
tweakkrytarik: wonderful thanks01:44
Primula1380How do I run that --install option?01:44
kpchey guys im trying to map my samba shared drive, kubuntu cant see it but windows cant any clues?01:49
kpcwindows can*01:49
Primula1380The pepper flash plugin was successfully installed, but Chromium doesn't seem to recognize it has the pepperflash plugin01:58
Primula1380Is there a way to open or find the pepper flash plugin by using the Chromium browser itself?02:00
valoriePrimula1380: chromium usually has its own flash handling02:08
valoriethat said, I have pepperflash installed as well02:09
valorieI think so flash in FF will work02:09
Primula1380What is FF?02:09
valorieoh sorry, firefox02:09
Primula1380I have the Unity WebApps extension activated, but the pepper flash I installed never showed up in my extensions menu02:10
valoriefor future ref, if you want to install something from the cli, use: `sudo apt install pepperflashplugin-nonfree`02:11
valoriefor instance02:11
valoriehmm02:11
valorienot sure what unity webapps might be02:11
Primula1380the command prompt told me it was successfully installed, but pepperflash never showed up in Muon Discover software center, nor in the chromium browswer02:11
valorielets see what extensions show for me in chromium02:11
valoriethat's the downside of a software center for me02:12
valorieit's really only for applications02:12
valoriewhich is why I prefer the cli or muon package manager when I want a gui02:12
Primula1380I had to install it using the Muon Package Manager, because Muon Discover never recognized the new multerverse source I added02:12
valoriemultiverse?02:13
valoriehmmm02:13
Primula1380I'm running Kubuntu off a live CD, is that why it's so hard to get pepper flash installed?02:13
valorieflash doesn't show in my extensions either02:13
valorieah, yes02:14
Primula1380I also tried to install Adobe Flash several times, but that never worked02:14
valorieinstalling doesn't work well from a liveCD02:14
valoriebecause the installer doesn't know where to put things02:14
Primula1380But I have ran flash using the live CD before02:14
valorieon a USB, you can install to the USB if it is big enough02:14
valorieis there some site that isn't working for you?02:15
Primula1380Only over the last few months, I noticed it's become really hard to install flash using the linux live CDs02:15
Primula1380Yes02:15
valorieshall I try?02:15
Primula1380I tried running videos on cbc.ca02:15
Primula1380and they work, but they can't go full screen02:15
Primula1380the Firefox Browser says it's full screen, but it's certainly not:  the video is inside a small box02:16
Primula1380So, I tried running the same video using the Chromium browser, and I got the same result02:17
valoriehmmm, "this content is currently unavailable" for a random vid: http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/video/#id=265988682202:17
valorieff won't even try02:17
valorieperhaps because I"m in the US02:17
valorienot sure02:17
valorielooks like flash works in both though02:18
* ahoneybun is on 14.10 and has flash working in Firefox02:18
valorieI've not run across any sites where flash is needed that it doesn't work, in either02:19
valoriein Vivid02:19
Primula1380I can't get any flash plugins to work on any of my browsers02:19
valorieI've never seen flash show up in extensions though02:19
valorieit Just Works02:20
valorieor doesn't02:20
valorieinstalling from inside the browser usually doesn't work for me02:20
valorieand that's really insecure anyway so I wouldn't advise it02:20
Primula1380But I think, when I install Google Chrome, it automatically uses a flash plugin, but it never shows up in the add ons menu02:20
ahoneybunvalorie: its under plugins for me02:20
valorieright02:20
Primula1380also, I think my plugins work better when I run the xubuntu live CD, as opposed to the Kubuntu Live CD02:21
valorieI don't see plugins, only extensions in chromium02:21
Primula1380yeah, me too02:21
valoriePrimula1380: any particular reason you are running from a liveCD?02:21
valorieah, FF calls them plugins, and yes I see both flash and shockwave flash there02:22
valoriewhen will people stop using icky flash!02:23
valoriehtml5 all the way, baby02:23
ahoneybunlol02:24
valorieahoneybun: why did you ditch vivid?02:24
ahoneybungaming valorie02:24
ahoneybunvalorie: are you still on the membership board?02:25
valorieI never was02:25
Primula1380I'm running Windows on this PC and I don't want to replace the OS with Linux02:25
ahoneybunoh02:25
valoriePrimula1380: you can quite easily dual-boot02:25
valorieahoneybun: I'm in the kub. council02:25
ahoneybunmy email is awaiting approval02:25
valoriethat's the only board/council within *buntuland02:26
Primula1380Well, I heard dual-booting is not so easy, and can create problems for Windows02:26
Primula1380And I don't like the idea of installing two OSs on the same system drive, that would reduce the memory available to each system02:28
valorie?02:29
Primula1380I also heard that dual booting somehow reduces the security of the Windows OS, though that does't really make sense02:29
valorieof course not02:29
valorieyou run one at a time, so no, memory is 100% available for whatever you are running02:30
valorienow, if space is at a premium on your HD, that's another issue02:30
valorieit is very easy, and many people do it02:30
valoriethis laptop has been dual boot until a few weeks ago02:31
valorieit's true that it isn't as easy to install as using the whole disk02:31
valoriebut not *hard*02:31
Primula1380I have a lot of memory available on my hard drives, but my system drive only has 100 GB and it's SSD, so it's not easy to reclaim used memory, like with the old IDE drives02:31
valorieyou just have to be careful to note what is windows and stay away from it02:32
Primula1380Could I install linux on a different drive, aside from my system drive?02:32
valorieof course02:32
ahoneybunPrimula1380: could put it on a usb and then just boot from that02:33
valoriegrub takes care of knowing what boots from where02:33
valoriebut even then, you have the slowness of USB02:34
valoriemuch better to do an install, even on "rust"02:34
valorierust being what the cool kids with SSD call HDs02:34
ahoneybunvalorie: I read somewhere that SSD's are going out already02:35
valoriewhat is coming in, to replace them?02:36
ahoneybunvalorie: not sure I did not see it talk about anything02:36
valorieheh02:37
valorieso 733t02:37
ahoneybunvalorie: I think it is time to send a email to both list for translations02:37
valorienot sure to what you are referring, ahoneybun?02:38
ahoneybunDocs02:38
valoriesince you've been back, I've really not even had time to look at your work02:38
ahoneybunyea I know I'll send a link to both list to look over the docs on monday and then send a call for translation on friday once all the errors are fixed02:41
kpcdoes anyone know how to mount a samba share in kubuntu?02:42
ahoneybunmount /home/samba /mnt/sambashare ?02:44
Primula1380valorie I ran this command to find my Chromium plugins:  chrome://plugins/02:44
Primula1380When I did that, I found Shockwave Flash02:45
valorieah, yes I have that too02:45
valoriebut your cbc vids are still not playing?02:46
Primula1380yes, but not full screen02:46
Primula1380only in a small box02:46
valoriehmmm02:46
Primula1380the browsersays full screen, but it's not02:46
valorieI rarely watch fullscreen, so I'm not much help02:46
Primula1380It looks like Shockwave Flash plugin may be installed but Chromium's chrome://plugins/ command says Type:PPAPI (out-of-process)02:47
Primula1380Also, I think I only have about 600 MB of RAM left, after all the stuff I installed, especially the pepper flash plugin, that used up a lot of my RAM02:48
Primula1380I also had tried to install Adobe Flash straight from the Adobe website, so that probably wasted a lot of RAM, too02:49
valoriethere is a flash-installer or somesuch in the repos02:51
valorie!info flash-installer02:51
ubottuPackage flash-installer does not exist in utopic02:51
valoriehuh02:51
ahoneybunflashplugin-installer02:51
ahoneybun!info flashplugin-installer02:52
ubottuflashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 11.2.202.451ubuntu0.14.10.1 (utopic), package size 7 kB, installed size 137 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)02:52
Primula1380I recall having watched CBC videos full screen using Firefox before, using Firefox's built in plugins, but I think that was with the Xubuntu live CD02:52
valorieah02:52
valoriewell, I've never tried running from a live anything except to test equipment before installing02:53
valorieso again, not much help02:53
valorieflashpluginstaller is annoying, but useful if necessary02:53
valorieI've not seen it run for months02:54
Unit193!info adobe-flashplugin partner02:55
ubottuadobe-flashplugin (source: adobe-flashplugin): Adobe Flash Player plugin version 11. In component main, is optional. Version 11.2.202.451-0trusty1 (partner), package size 4897 kB, installed size 17179 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)02:55
Primula1380Considering all the problems I've been having with all the plugins for the linux browsers, I don't see the point in trying to install a dual boot system with Windows.  Linux just has too many plugin issues that always waste my time02:58
valorieI must not have that repo02:58
valorieapt-cache policy finds no adobe-flashplugin02:58
valorieand no candidate02:58
valoriePrimula1380: ?02:58
Unit193!partner | valorie02:58
ubottuvalorie: Canonical's partner repositories provide a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" »02:58
valorieI spend zero time on any of this02:58
valorieUnit193: right, but I don't need it02:59
valoriepersonally, I installed kubuntu-restricted-extras or whatever it's called and never gave any of it another thought02:59
valorieand haven't for years02:59
valorieeverything Just Works02:59
Primula1380I've never had any problems installing plugins in Windows.  But with linux, I always have problems installing plugins, and even more trying to get them to work02:59
valorieok03:00
valoriethis isn't religion03:00
valorieeveryone should use the tools they prefer03:00
valoriemy husband is a win user from DOS days03:00
valorieI escaped as soon as I could03:00
Primula1380May be there are some other distribution of linux besides xubuntu and kubuntu, that have fewer problems with plugins03:01
valoriethis laptop was dual boot and I never bothered to boot up windows so decided why waste the space03:01
ahoneybunPrimula1380: flash in general?03:01
valoriethis is a fresh install of vivid and I literally only installed kub-restricted and nothing else03:02
Primula1380Yeah, flash is the most problematic plugin for me when using Kubuntu and Xubuntu03:02
valorieI believe that pulled in pepperflash03:02
valorieor perhaps I installed it because I used to need it03:02
valoriecan't recall03:02
valorieit just is not a problem03:03
ahoneybunI swear somewhere it said youtube used html503:07
Unit193Primula1380: Firefox?  And is this plugin problem only flash?03:07
ahoneybunor at least beta test it03:07
Unit193ahoneybun: It does if it can.03:07
denza252adooble flash won't work with chrome/chromium03:09
denza252they locked out Netscape Plugins03:09
Unit193No, there you'd need PPAPI, so pepperflash.03:09
ahoneybunoh o03:09
Primula1380I already tried installing pepper flash with several commands and none of them worked03:16
Primula1380I also had tried isntalling pepper flash using Muon Discovery Software Center and Muon Package Manager03:16
MookHello- major problem. I just installed the latest security updates and my keyboard no longer works. Love to tell you what the updates were, but I can't enter the password. Keyboard works fine for setting up encrypted file system & login screen. Fails as soon as KDE load completes. So, it's definitely a software problem. Any suggestions?03:17
Primula1380I have now spent several hours trying to install pepper flash onto Chromium, and nothing has worked so far03:17
MookMultiple reboots & fiddling with System Settings->Input Devices->Keyboard Model haven't helped.03:18
Primula1380I think it's time to give up ever trying to get pepper flash to work on Chromium, and time to consider using a better distribution of linux that has less plugin problems03:18
Unit193Mook: Boot to text?03:18
Unit193!text | Mook03:18
ubottuMook: To start your system in text-only mode append 'text' (without the quotes) to the kernel line in the grub menu. You can access the grub menu by pressing Esc (Grub legacy) or Shift (Grub2) during boot. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Text%20Mode03:18
MookThe only think I did different was Ctl-Alt-Bksp to restart the server03:19
MookLet me give that a try.03:19
MookThere's also no power to the Caps lock LED. Weird03:20
Unit193Indeed.03:20
MookThis is going to sound stupid, but holding down shift while starting KDE has fixed the issue. *Very* scary.03:21
Unit193Yey! :P03:22
MookI know, but what the heck. All the hard stuff like the graphical interface worked fine. I'm installing a virtual keyboard just in case.  Also, the virtual keyboard widget that comes with Kubuntu didn't work.03:23
valoriePrimula1380: I gave you the correct command above03:24
valorie`sudo apt install pepperflashplugin-nonfree`03:24
valoriein the cli03:24
* ahoneybun wishes his laptop touch worked in Ubuntu03:25
MookThx Unit193. Are you in a position to pass this along as some weirdness that might be happening to others?03:25
Primula1380valorie, which command?  I think the command you had posted I had tried already03:25
Unit193Mook: Nooope.  I hardly help in here.03:26
valorieno, you tried different weird stuff I've never seen before03:27
valorie`sudo apt install pepperflashplugin-nonfree`03:27
Primula1380Yeah, I ran that command and it worked, but when i rebooted Chromium, the plugin was not there03:27
valoriePrimula1380: please do, in the cli: `apt-cache policy  pepperflashplugin-nonfree`03:32
valoriePrimula1380: please do, in the cli: `apt-cache policy pepperflashplugin-nonfree`03:32
valoriewithout the extra space, sorry03:32
valorieis it actually installed, or not?03:32
valoriecopy from between the backticks03:33
Primula1380Sorry valerie, Actually, I had successfully installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree using the Muon Package Manager, then I ran this command:  sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install, and that also worked, but I kept rebooting Chromium after each command, and pepper flash plugin never showed up03:33
Primula1380What is "the cli:"  Is that some sort of program?03:34
Primula1380My guess is "the cli:" is the command prompt, right?03:35
valoriecommand line interface, yes03:36
valoriekonsole, or using control+alt+f2 if you prefer03:36
Primula1380I ran that command, and this is the results I got... pepperflashplugin-nonfree:   Installed: 1.3ubuntu1   Candidate: 1.3ubuntu1   Version table:  *** 1.3ubuntu1 0         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/multiverse amd64 Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status03:37
valorieok, so it is installed03:38
valoriebizarre that chromium isn't picking it up03:38
Primula1380But I mentioned I found Shockwave Flash03:39
Primula1380when I entered this URL address in Chromium:  chrome://plugins03:40
valoriethat is exactly what I have in chrome://plugins/03:40
Primula1380But it says Type:  PAPPI (out of process)03:40
valorieAdobe Flash Player - Version: 16.0.0.30503:41
valorieShockwave Flash 16.0 r003:41
valorieName:Shockwave Flash03:41
valorieDescription:Shockwave Flash 16.0 r003:41
valorieVersion:16.0.0.30503:41
Primula1380Location:/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so Type:PPAPI (out-of-process)03:41
valorieLocation:/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so03:41
valorieType:PPAPI (out-of-process)03:41
valorie Disable03:41
valorieMIME types:03:41
valorieMIME typeDescriptionFile extensions03:41
valorieapplication/x-shockwave-flashShockwave Flash03:41
valorie.swf03:41
valorieapplication/futuresplashFutureSplash Player03:41
Unit193valorie: Good.  One.03:41
valorie.spl03:41
valorieDisable  Always allowed03:42
valorieoops03:42
valoriebigger paste than I was expecting03:42
valoriein any case, flash works for me, I think03:42
valoriealthough your cbc site doesn't03:42
Unit193If you look at his, it has found it.03:42
Primula1380I haven't tried running videos on another website03:42
Primula1380Which plugin should I use for the Firefox Browser to watch news videos on the cbc.ca website?03:43
Unit193https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ what version does that say you have?03:43
valorieI can't watch cbc vids in either browser, I believe because they won't allow them to be played in the US03:43
valorieLinux Mozilla, Firefox - NPAPI (Extended Support Release) 11.2.202.45103:44
valorieChrome (embedded), Chromium-based browsers - PPAPI 17.0.0.13403:44
ahoneybunvalorie: vpn?03:44
* ahoneybun has a working ubuntu touch app03:44
valorieI don't care, ahoneybun, I was just testing for Primula138003:44
Primula1380You have version 17,0,0,134 installed  Unit19303:45
valoriewell, I do03:45
ahoneybunoh03:45
Primula1380that's what is says, Unit19303:45
* valorie goes off to eat the rest of dinner03:45
Primula1380Chrome (embedded), Chromium-based browsers - PPAPI17.0.0.134    . . .  is what I have installed on Chromium, but I don't think it works03:46
Primula1380Oh yeah, it is working03:48
Primula1380I was assuming it's not working because there's no plugins menu and it never showed up in the extensions menu03:49
Primula1380I finally got the full screen option to work, because I had finally installed Adobe Flash03:50
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PerfMhi friends04:42
PerfMhey gang, how's it going04:42
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PerfMrww, I don't really understand your irc status, but are you in every ubuntu channel?04:49
PerfMrww, because there are like 10000 channels that are ubuntu related and I did really just want to make ubuntu tech support friends but now I never will because of you04:49
PerfMrww, you created this monster. You remember that.04:50
valoriePerfM: please remain on topic04:56
PerfMvalorie, I am so sorry, I suffer from A.D.D, so please. If I ever go off topic just bring me back to earth, okay.04:57
valoriedone04:58
rezahi guys08:12
rezahow much swap do I need for using vm in ubuntu08:12
soeeno idea, im sign vb and do not have swap ;)08:13
soee*im using08:13
soeebut i think my 8gb ram is enough to handle it without any problems08:14
rezaI have 3Gb ram08:16
rezaI want to know how much swap shuold I use to later use win7 in vm08:17
valorie!swap08:18
ubottuswap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info08:18
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rezaI don't use hibrnate at all08:21
rezaI don't even want to use swap08:22
rezabut last time I asked08:22
rezasomeone told me08:22
rezaif I want to use vm I must have swap08:22
olafwreza, you need enough memory to run the host operating system + enough memory to run the guest08:29
olafwwhile minimum requirements for linux and windows 7 are small, in practice 3 GB may be too little to run them both well at the same time08:29
rezano I run my os without problem08:29
olafwadding swap will prevent crashes due to running out of memory, but when swap is used the system may slow down considerably08:30
rezabut I want to know do I need swap to use win7 with vm or not08:30
olafwyou can probably configure the vm to give windows 7 something like 1 or 1.5 GB of memory to run in08:31
olafwwindows7 should be doing its own swapping from there08:31
olafwthat also reduces the amount of memory for the host from 3 to 2 or even 1.5 GB08:32
olafwat which point the host os will likely need swap08:32
rezaso you say how much swap I use08:34
rezabase on 3Gb ram I have08:34
olafwa common recommendation used to be about 2 x physical memory08:35
olafwideally, you'd measure and adapt08:40
blues-manhello09:10
rezahi09:11
* nomic likes xfce09:45
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Nikhilhi everyone :)11:13
monkeyjuicemorning Nikhil11:15
Nikhilwhats up monkeyjuice ? :)11:16
monkeyjuicedrinking coffee;)11:17
Nikhilgood start to a day :)11:17
monkeyjuiceoh ya its a must11:17
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yossarianukim so happy !11:52
yossarianukmy request to re-include the OSS modules in the kernel is being taken seriously ....11:52
yossarianukhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/143484211:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1434842 in linux (Ubuntu) "Due to lack of OSS kernel modules, have to recompile the kernel to enable sound in old games - aoss/padsp do not work" [Medium,In progress]11:53
yossarianukno more having to recompile the kernel every other week to play paintball2 !11:53
BluesKajHiyas all12:46
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jbwivguys, I've switched Ubuntu 14.10 to Kubuntu by apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. However, over time (say 24 hours) i find that kde really starts to slow down and become sluggish. kwin tends to use a fair amount of cpu, but nothing I'd say was overwhelming to this box (dual quad core/8GB ram/GeForce GTX 650 Ti). For example, kwin is using 34% CPU and X is using 33% at the moment. Combined, they've bumped my system load to around 5.63, which is pretty damned high13:04
jbwivis this a common problem, and is there a way to fix without completely logging out/back in or shutting down X?13:07
BluesKajjbwiv, have you compared the cpu usage in Unity DE as well , or do you still have it?13:08
jbwivBluesKaj: I do still have it. It wasn't nearly as high13:08
jbwivor as sluggish13:08
soeejbwiv: are you using Unity also or switch to Kubuntu for good ?13:08
jbwivsoee: trying to switch to Kubuntu for good13:08
jbwivit seems to be much slower/sluggish after I leave it screenlocked overnight13:09
jbwivafter about 10 minutes, things tend to speed up a bit13:09
soeejbwiv: try Vivid beta13:09
soee:)13:09
BluesKajjbwiv, so you still have a lot of gtk apps ?13:09
soeeif you plan to switch to Kubuntu do it straight to Vivid where you have Plasma 513:10
jbwivBluesKaj: they're still laying around. Really the only gtk apps I use regularly are pidgin, terminator, and (i believe it's gtk) Firefox13:10
jbwivand I use Chrome, which seems to be very slow after I unlock in the mornings as well13:10
jbwivsoee: I'm not sure switching my production workstation to a beta just to see if this problem goes away is a fun proposition13:11
BluesKajjb do you have / and /home partitions ?13:11
BluesKajjbwiv,^13:11
jbwivBluesKaj: I do. / is on an SSD and /home on a standard drive13:11
BluesKajok recommend you format / to ext4 then reinstall kubuntu image there , just set the m,ountpoint for /home when reinstalling and use manual partitioning13:13
jbwivBluesKaj: / is already ext413:14
jbwivmanaged by lvm13:14
BluesKajthat method saves your data and conf files13:14
BluesKajwell just install kubuntudaily image there13:15
BluesKajaamof I'm about to put 14.10 on another hdd I have in my pc because plasam5 is beginning to pi** me off , and that's the method I've used many times, successfully13:17
jbwivBluesKaj: I'm just not sure why reformatting would make a difference13:18
hateballI've got this fun thing since upgrading to 15.04 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34487913:18
ubottuKDE bug 344879 in general "memory leak in plasmashell - huge ram usage" [Normal,Unconfirmed]13:18
hateballon the topic of sluggish13:18
BluesKajto get rid of the ubuntu stuff that you don't don't need , I'm sure it's the cause of the cpu usage creep13:19
BluesKajjbwiv,^13:19
BluesKajanyway I'm going to install 14.10, so I'll BBL13:20
jbwivBluesKaj: thanks for the help13:21
soeehateball: wait 3 days for Plasma 5.2.213:23
soeea lot of bugs fixed13:23
drdozerin plasma 5, what file browser shoud I be using?13:58
drdozerit has defaulted to gwenview, which is a disaster13:58
hateballdrdozer: dolphin is a file browser13:59
hateballgwenview is for images13:59
drdozerhateball, yeah - that's what I was expecting given my use of kde4 but right now the default applications thing in system settings is telling me taht I'm browsing directories with gwenview, and there's no other option being displayed14:00
hateballheh14:00
hateballdrdozer: well are you using plasma5 on 14.10, or are you on 15.04?14:00
drdozer15.0414:01
hateballthen you should probably ask in #ubuntu+114:01
hateballsince it's not released stable yet14:01
drdozerthanks14:01
chanyunfatПомогите пожалуйста мне !!!!14:18
chanyunfatесть тут кто живой ????14:19
chanyunfatсрочно нужна помощь14:21
soee!ru14:22
ubottuПожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.14:22
soeechanyunfat: spean english  if you want to get help here14:22
soee*speak14:22
hackerdu11hello all14:23
chanyunfati dont speak english14:23
hackerdu11no too14:23
chanyunfatyota to kubuntu &14:24
hackerdu11yes i own kubuntu14:26
hackerdu11change14:27
hackerdu11to the kali package14:29
chanyunfatkali package ?14:29
m_tadeuhi...is this the place to ask about kubuntu 15.04?15:07
mflowAny ideas what I get undefined reference to symbol 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5' ?15:09
mflowSomething is wrong with the linker15:11
Riddellm_tadeu: you can try, you can also try in #ubuntu+1 or in #kubuntu+1 we havn't quite got a single answer for that currently15:27
m_tadeuRiddell: thanx15:28
srichterhi everyone, I jsut installed 15.04 (upgrading did not go that well) and I noticed that when I change the "File Association" of a mime-type, the system deos not get properly updated and dolphin, for example, does not know about the changes15:32
srichterIs that a know bug? (Googling did not reveal anything)15:32
BluesKajsrichter, the troubles with a dev desktop, lot's of annoyances that don't get any attention15:33
srichterBluesKaj: Any chance I can run a command to update the DBs? The setting seems to get stored soemwhere at least15:34
BluesKajcomplain in #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-devel15:34
srichterhe he15:34
BluesKajsr you can try running updatedb , but I dunno how much good that will do15:34
BluesKajsrichter,^15:35
* srichter is trying that...15:35
joan_how can I prevent kde starting an unwanted app to manage an add-on feature from firefox. I want kde let me *save* imagepicker add-on selected images instead on starting other apps, like qmmp or easytag15:35
BluesKajsorry , no idea15:36
BluesKajsomeone else might tho15:36
srichterBluesKaj: yeah, no luck...15:36
srichterBluesKaj: Ha, in my frustration I started to edit the file associations through the context menu in Dolphin. I noticed the entries were not updated there as well; once I updated that version, it worked15:40
srichterBluesKaj: I bet you it has something to do with KDE 4 and 5 living alongsize each other15:41
BluesKajyeah, I've been trying patiently to give plsama 5/KF5 a chance to fix the obvious anoyances , but I've decided to stick with 14.10 plasma 4 as my first choice OS...fed up with my fav features being dropped15:41
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olmecamy update manager is not working, i go aplay changes, and ask for password, but doesn't go trought17:03
olmecago further17:03
BluesKajolmeca, maybe your packages are up to date17:06
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SporkWitchsome steam and wine games are incorrectly picking my usb headset for default audio output, even though my main speakers are set at the top of the priority list in all categories except "communications"; is there anywhere else device priority is assigned that could be causing this behaviour?  i can force the games to use the main speakers manually, but doing so causes them to claim exclusive access18:00
SporkWitchto the main output, and no other program can use it (e.g. can't have music or a video going while playing)18:00
darthanubisis there a known issue with chromium, pepperflash, and kubuntu 15.04?18:03
dxerfhello18:22
dxerfdarkpt:  hello?18:22
genii!ask18:24
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience18:24
SporkWitchsome steam and wine games are incorrectly picking my usb headset for default audio output, even though my main speakers are set at the top of the priority list in all categories except "communications"; is there anywhere else device priority is assigned that could be causing this behaviour?  i can force the games to use the main speakers manually, but doing so causes them to claim exclusive access18:46
SporkWitchto the main output, and no other program can use it (e.g. can't have music or a video going while playing)18:46
BluesKajSporkWitch, try pavucontrol to switch your audio outputs between devices18:58
SporkWitchinstalling now18:59
SporkWitchBluesKaj: so i'm not seeing anything about defaults in there.  i assume i want "fallback" to be highlighted on the headset, and NOT highlighted on the main speakers?19:04
BluesKajSporkWitch, you use just one audio chip , correct?19:06
nomiccan anyone help me trying to get python/cocos2d into an apk?19:06
SporkWitchBluesKaj: on-board audio is the main output, and then there's the USB headset which shows up as its own device19:06
SporkWitchBluesKaj: the problem is that some programs are ignoring the settings in "audio setup" from right clicking on kmix, and using the headset instead of the main speakers.19:07
SporkWitch(the specific program i'm testing against is MirrorMoon EP in Steam; Diablo 3 does it in WINE as well, but will figure that out after, since it's non-native and may have its own quirks)19:07
SporkWitchBluesKaj: installed pavucontrol, ran it normally and as root, but i don't see anything about setting defaults or priority.  i clicked "set as fallback" on the headset, but no change when i restart steam and launch the game, the sound still comes out of the headset19:08
SporkWitchtwo asserts do fail when starting pavucontrol, then the same same two one more time:19:09
SporkWitch(pavucontrol:1385): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_device_ungrab: assertion 'GDK_IS_DEVICE (device)' failed19:09
SporkWitch(pavucontrol:1385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_device_grab_remove: assertion 'GDK_IS_DEVICE (device)' failed19:09
BluesKajSporkWitch, sudo gstreamer-properties, to setup your headset19:13
SporkWitchBluesKaj: not installed, and other applications use it correct (e.g. skype, mumble, gchat through chrome and firefox)19:14
BluesKajat least that command used to work , bummer19:14
SporkWitchBluesKaj: i'm digging into pacmd now...19:14
SporkWitchwhen i list-sinks, it looks like it's assigning the headset index 0, so that may explain it19:15
BluesKajSporkWitch, what does, cat /proc/asound/module, show for available drivers?19:16
SporkWitchtwo for hda_intel and two for usb_audio19:17
SporkWitchso i presume the intels are the analog and digital outputs from the on-board, the usb are the headset and the webcam19:17
BluesKajSporkWitch, yeah in /etc//modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf  your speaker based driver should be , options snd-hda-intel index=0 ,and the usb driver should be index=119:19
SporkWitchso in alsa? not in default.pa?19:19
BluesKajSporkWitch, I don't use default.pa, I just know it works in alsa19:21
SporkWitchok, digging around in it now; it's actually looking like it should be good already, since i see it setting usb_audio to -2 with a comment of PREVENTING it from becoming the default sound card19:21
BluesKajI also have 2 soundcards on eonboard and one m-audio pci , and that's the methos i use in alsa-base19:22
BluesKajyeah, seen that before19:22
SporkWitchso i can just add that line at the end, then? (no current entries for snd_hda_intel)19:22
BluesKajyes19:23
SporkWitchand it should be dashes, even though the output from asound/modules is underscore?19:23
BluesKajeither dashes or underscore should work19:23
SporkWitchand just service alsa restart ?19:24
BluesKajdunno19:25
BluesKajnever tried that one19:25
SporkWitcheh, need to reboot for a kernel update anyway, will just restart and we'll see what happens19:25
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AnfionHola!!!19:45
SporkWitchBluesKaj: got it fixed.  it was definitely pulse that was the problem.  i had to edit /etc/pulse/default.pa and define the default sink (output) and default source (input) manually at the bottom of the file.  the names to populate those entries are obtained from pacmd [list-sinks|list-sources].  rebooted and now mirrormoon is correctly outputing to main speakers19:56
BluesKajSporkWitch, I use pulseaudio as little as possibe, to me it's a necessary evil due to my amd cpu and m-audio soundcard, if these chips were intel , I wouldn';t have PA  on this pc ...i don't use it on my laptop , thank goodness19:59
SporkWitchBluesKaj: yeah, nothing but nightmares ever since *buntu switched to it19:59
BluesKajexactly19:59
SporkWitchit only took them, what, 3 years after the switch just to let us adjust application volume from the tray icon? something we'd been able to do just fine for years before the switch...20:00
BluesKajI use spdif out to an audio receiver since this pc is my media server, and the intel audio chip is index=1 in the alsa.conf and i can switch between the 2 outputs if needed\20:02
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SporkWitchyay! now i can have game sound and music/video in the background!20:02
BluesKajyeah , that's only good thing about PA, simultaneous audio sources20:03
SporkWitchyeah, this is just the analog out to a logitech 5.1 setup, and then the USB headset, but apparently pulse thinks something with "usb" and "headset" in the info should take priority for primary output, over an actual sound card20:03
SporkWitchwell the crazy is that it's only certain applications that were problematic.  most stuff listened to the priorities set in audio setup, but certain steam games, and games running in WINE, wouldn't.  they'd let me manually select the right output, but that gave them exclusive access to it; only way to get it mux'd was to choose default, but it was thinking that's the headset20:05
BluesKajSporkWitch, linux audio is definitely chaotic and a comprehnsive audio suite sure would be nice20:16
SporkWitchBluesKaj: i'd settle for simply having ONE place where the settings are defined :P20:23
BluesKajSporkWitch, that's probly a more realistic wish :)20:24
SporkWitchBluesKaj: and really, it's all we actually NEED.  the problem here wasn't being unable to set the defaults, but the fact that there were (at least) 3 different places for the defaults to be stored, and different games used different ones20:25
SporkWitchif the default volume control has an audio setup button that lets me pick priority and preference, then that menu should be changing all the defaults, if there's more than one.  that's all i want lol20:25
SporkWitch(and it's only really an issue with USB headsets)20:26
BluesKajlucky for me that I'm not a gamer, i'd probly have less hair than I do now if I was :)20:26
SporkWitcheh, it's usually not too bad these days20:27
SporkWitchthe trick is having a console to play the games that don't have native linux versions :)20:27
SporkWitchif it has a linux version and DOESN"T play better with a gamepad, i buy it on steam for linux.  if it doesn't have a linux version, and it doesn't play horribly WITH a gamepad, i buy it on PS4.  if it doesn't have a linux or PS4 version, i probably won't buy it at all, unless it looks REALLY good AND it runs in WINE without too much effort ("too much" being defined as "takes more than 10 minutes20:28
SporkWitchto make it work")20:28
* BluesKaj nods, a few options there alright20:30
BluesKajwell, gonna call it a day ...laters20:46
darky_Will kubuntu 15.04 have plasma5?20:57
darky_hope not... well bye for now... restarting X just removed it, bleh breeze ugly looking theme... i cant seem to get the taste of it... feels somewhat a downgrade... simple windows / mac ish feeling discusting...21:01
darky_\o/ plasma 4 yeah ... few...21:10
darky_oxygen \o/21:11
mparillodarky_: Barring a complete meltdown, yes 15.04 will be plasma 5, and since 14.10 is only supported for 9 months, your best bet for Plasma 4 would be 14.04 LTS.21:11
rwwdoesn't plasma5 have an oxygen theme anyway?21:11
mparilloOxygen is shipped, yes, but there are always theme related bugs.21:14
darky_mparillo: oke.... ill wait with upgrading untill oxygen is fully back.. i tryed breeze... i tryed it for a few days, and cannot get used to it... :( :( i want to so bad, ... bud its just not my thing...  might as well buy windows if a want simplistic icons or lack of colored icons...21:15
darky_gonne set my upgrade manager to LTS for now... thanx for the info :)21:16
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morgan_hi - I have a 15.04 question - but i think it would (possibly apply to 14.10, etc)22:40
morgan_the locale (not in plasma/kde) setting have defaulted to US22:41
morgan_where can I change the locale settings for console ?22:41
Versus_Hello everyone, i have one question is here the appropriate area to do thisq23:03
mparillo!ask23:06
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience23:06

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