[00:06] <Primula1380> Any ideas?
[00:08] <mparillo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash but I prefer to use Google Chrome when I absolutely need flash, and keep it sandboxed there and only there.
[00:09] <mparillo> of course, you want kubuntu-restricted-extras, not ubuntu-restricted-extras.
[00:09] <Primula1380> thanks mparillo
[00:09] <Primula1380> well, I got 64 bit
[00:11] <Primula1380> mparillo I searched for flash-plugin installer using Muon Discovery and can't find it
[00:12] <Primula1380> flashplugin-installer
[00:14] <Primula1380> I think I either need to add a source to my Muon Discover Software Center, or I need to find another application used for installing sofware.  I forgot the name
[00:14] <blues-man> kde5 started but no sounds :( alsamixer also is not available
[00:16] <blues-man> anyone experienced sound issues after kde5 upgrade?
[00:19] <denza252> not sound issues
[00:19] <denza252> mostly network
[00:19] <denza252> and a few crashes
[00:22] <Primula1380> What is the name if tgat application?
[00:23] <Primula1380> It's used to install applications
[00:27] <Primula1380> What is the name of the program used to install applications.  It's almost the same as the Muon Discovery Software Center
[00:28] <Primula1380> Is it called K Software Manager?
[00:28] <mparillo> Primula1380: Sorry, as I said, I only use Flash via Google Chrome. However, here might be a fun thread to read: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67346-Firefox-no-longer-supports-Shockwave-Flash-11-2-202-438
[00:29] <Primula1380> thanks mparillo
[00:31] <blues-man> mm I found out that I can only play sounds from root after kde upgrade
[00:35] <mparillo> blues-man: When you say from root, you mean kdesudo <name of your player>?
[00:35] <blues-man> mparillo, yes I mean that sudo aplay -l works while aplay -l no
[00:36] <blues-man> I tried also to add my user to audio and pulse group but with no success, I wonder why because with kde 4 was working, I just added ppa for 14.10
[00:36] <Primula1380> Would these commands work with Kubuntu:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash
[00:39] <Primula1380> Hey, I can't find the trash on my Kubuntu desktop, where is it located?
[00:40] <Primula1380> I tried looking in the KDE Help Center for information about finding the Trash, but there's nothing in there
[00:41] <mparillo> Primula1380: It looks as if it should, but Kubuntu has muon instead of software center. I see trash in Dolphin.
[00:42] <Primula1380> I found the trash in Computer
[00:42] <Primula1380> How do you move the location of the shortcuts on the desktop?
[00:43] <Primula1380> I'm used to just left clicking and moving with the mouse, but that does not work in Kubuntu.  I think it works in Xubuntu
[00:51] <Primula1380> After I installed the Multiverse software source, nothing happened
[00:52] <Primula1380> I think the new repository did not get turned on
[00:53] <Primula1380> I tried closing and re-opening Muon Discovery Software Center, but that did not help
[00:54] <Primula1380> Do I need to add a source, something like ppa:user/repository to get the right source for the pepper flash plugin?
[00:54] <Primula1380> Which source should I add?
[00:55] <Primula1380> I'm pretty sure there's a better package manager that makes better use of sources, besides the Muon Discover Software thing, but I can't remember the name
[00:56] <Primula1380> I think it sounds something like K Package Manager, but I can't remember
[00:58] <Primula1380> Is it called Synaptic Package Manager?
[01:01] <denza252> Primula1380: muon
[01:03] <Primula1380> I asked about Synaptic Package Manager, because Muon is not recognizing my new source
[01:04] <Primula1380> Is there a Muon Package Manager?  Is that what it's called?
[01:18] <Primula1380> I just installed the Pepper Flash plugin using the Muon Package Manager, but when I opened Chromium, the plugin did not appear anywhere in my add on list
[01:21] <Primula1380> Do I need to update it, in order to get it to work on Chromium?
[01:26] <Primula1380> I ran this command on the command terminal:  sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree . . .  but it did not produce the result I was supposed to get
[01:26] <Primula1380> this is the result of the command:  Usage:   update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install   update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --uninstall   update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --status Additional options:   --verbose   --quiet
[01:27] <Primula1380> So, obviously it did not work
[01:28] <Primula1380> It was supposed to download a bunch of stuff and take a while, but the above results were instantaneous
[01:35] <whichcat> Is 15.04 plasma 5 or 4, or both
[01:39] <krytarik> whichcat: Plasma 5.
[01:40] <krytarik> Primula1380: You'd want the "--install" option.
[01:41] <tweak> hey, having an issue where a file manager called "Files" opens my home folder upon login, and i cannot figure out how to prevent this from happening. any ideas?
[01:42] <Primula1380> krytarik,  What do you mean by that?
[01:42] <krytarik> tweak: Appears to be Nautilus.
[01:43] <tweak> krytarik:  is there some way i can prevent this? if not, is uninstall safe?
[01:43] <krytarik> tweak: You're using Kubuntu, so sure.
[01:44] <Primula1380> krytarik, how do I run the --install option?
[01:44] <tweak> krytarik: wonderful thanks
[01:44] <Primula1380> How do I run that --install option?
[01:49] <kpc> hey guys im trying to map my samba shared drive, kubuntu cant see it but windows cant any clues?
[01:49] <kpc> windows can*
[01:58] <Primula1380> The pepper flash plugin was successfully installed, but Chromium doesn't seem to recognize it has the pepperflash plugin
[02:00] <Primula1380> Is there a way to open or find the pepper flash plugin by using the Chromium browser itself?
[02:08] <valorie> Primula1380: chromium usually has its own flash handling
[02:09] <valorie> that said, I have pepperflash installed as well
[02:09] <valorie> I think so flash in FF will work
[02:09] <Primula1380> What is FF?
[02:09] <valorie> oh sorry, firefox
[02:10] <Primula1380> I have the Unity WebApps extension activated, but the pepper flash I installed never showed up in my extensions menu
[02:11] <valorie> for future ref, if you want to install something from the cli, use: `sudo apt install pepperflashplugin-nonfree`
[02:11] <valorie> for instance
[02:11] <valorie> hmm
[02:11] <valorie> not sure what unity webapps might be
[02:11] <Primula1380> the command prompt told me it was successfully installed, but pepperflash never showed up in Muon Discover software center, nor in the chromium browswer
[02:11] <valorie> lets see what extensions show for me in chromium
[02:12] <valorie> that's the downside of a software center for me
[02:12] <valorie> it's really only for applications
[02:12] <valorie> which is why I prefer the cli or muon package manager when I want a gui
[02:12] <Primula1380> I had to install it using the Muon Package Manager, because Muon Discover never recognized the new multerverse source I added
[02:13] <valorie> multiverse?
[02:13] <valorie> hmmm
[02:13] <Primula1380> I'm running Kubuntu off a live CD, is that why it's so hard to get pepper flash installed?
[02:13] <valorie> flash doesn't show in my extensions either
[02:14] <valorie> ah, yes
[02:14] <Primula1380> I also tried to install Adobe Flash several times, but that never worked
[02:14] <valorie> installing doesn't work well from a liveCD
[02:14] <valorie> because the installer doesn't know where to put things
[02:14] <Primula1380> But I have ran flash using the live CD before
[02:14] <valorie> on a USB, you can install to the USB if it is big enough
[02:15] <valorie> is there some site that isn't working for you?
[02:15] <Primula1380> Only over the last few months, I noticed it's become really hard to install flash using the linux live CDs
[02:15] <Primula1380> Yes
[02:15] <valorie> shall I try?
[02:15] <Primula1380> I tried running videos on cbc.ca
[02:15] <Primula1380> and they work, but they can't go full screen
[02:16] <Primula1380> the Firefox Browser says it's full screen, but it's certainly not:  the video is inside a small box
[02:17] <Primula1380> So, I tried running the same video using the Chromium browser, and I got the same result
[02:17] <valorie> hmmm, "this content is currently unavailable" for a random vid: http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/video/#id=2659886822
[02:17] <valorie> ff won't even try
[02:17] <valorie> perhaps because I"m in the US
[02:17] <valorie> not sure
[02:18] <valorie> looks like flash works in both though
[02:18]  * ahoneybun is on 14.10 and has flash working in Firefox
[02:19] <valorie> I've not run across any sites where flash is needed that it doesn't work, in either
[02:19] <valorie> in Vivid
[02:19] <Primula1380> I can't get any flash plugins to work on any of my browsers
[02:19] <valorie> I've never seen flash show up in extensions though
[02:20] <valorie> it Just Works
[02:20] <valorie> or doesn't
[02:20] <valorie> installing from inside the browser usually doesn't work for me
[02:20] <valorie> and that's really insecure anyway so I wouldn't advise it
[02:20] <Primula1380> But I think, when I install Google Chrome, it automatically uses a flash plugin, but it never shows up in the add ons menu
[02:20] <ahoneybun> valorie: its under plugins for me
[02:20] <valorie> right
[02:21] <Primula1380> also, I think my plugins work better when I run the xubuntu live CD, as opposed to the Kubuntu Live CD
[02:21] <valorie> I don't see plugins, only extensions in chromium
[02:21] <Primula1380> yeah, me too
[02:21] <valorie> Primula1380: any particular reason you are running from a liveCD?
[02:22] <valorie> ah, FF calls them plugins, and yes I see both flash and shockwave flash there
[02:23] <valorie> when will people stop using icky flash!
[02:23] <valorie> html5 all the way, baby
[02:24] <ahoneybun> lol
[02:24] <valorie> ahoneybun: why did you ditch vivid?
[02:24] <ahoneybun> gaming valorie
[02:25] <ahoneybun> valorie: are you still on the membership board?
[02:25] <valorie> I never was
[02:25] <Primula1380> I'm running Windows on this PC and I don't want to replace the OS with Linux
[02:25] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:25] <valorie> Primula1380: you can quite easily dual-boot
[02:25] <valorie> ahoneybun: I'm in the kub. council
[02:25] <ahoneybun> my email is awaiting approval
[02:26] <valorie> that's the only board/council within *buntuland
[02:26] <Primula1380> Well, I heard dual-booting is not so easy, and can create problems for Windows
[02:28] <Primula1380> And I don't like the idea of installing two OSs on the same system drive, that would reduce the memory available to each system
[02:29] <valorie> ?
[02:29] <Primula1380> I also heard that dual booting somehow reduces the security of the Windows OS, though that does't really make sense
[02:29] <valorie> of course not
[02:30] <valorie> you run one at a time, so no, memory is 100% available for whatever you are running
[02:30] <valorie> now, if space is at a premium on your HD, that's another issue
[02:30] <valorie> it is very easy, and many people do it
[02:31] <valorie> this laptop has been dual boot until a few weeks ago
[02:31] <valorie> it's true that it isn't as easy to install as using the whole disk
[02:31] <valorie> but not *hard*
[02:31] <Primula1380> I have a lot of memory available on my hard drives, but my system drive only has 100 GB and it's SSD, so it's not easy to reclaim used memory, like with the old IDE drives
[02:32] <valorie> you just have to be careful to note what is windows and stay away from it
[02:32] <Primula1380> Could I install linux on a different drive, aside from my system drive?
[02:32] <valorie> of course
[02:33] <ahoneybun> Primula1380: could put it on a usb and then just boot from that
[02:33] <valorie> grub takes care of knowing what boots from where
[02:34] <valorie> but even then, you have the slowness of USB
[02:34] <valorie> much better to do an install, even on "rust"
[02:34] <valorie> rust being what the cool kids with SSD call HDs
[02:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: I read somewhere that SSD's are going out already
[02:36] <valorie> what is coming in, to replace them?
[02:36] <ahoneybun> valorie: not sure I did not see it talk about anything
[02:37] <valorie> heh
[02:37] <valorie> so 733t
[02:37] <ahoneybun> valorie: I think it is time to send a email to both list for translations
[02:38] <valorie> not sure to what you are referring, ahoneybun?
[02:38] <ahoneybun> Docs
[02:38] <valorie> since you've been back, I've really not even had time to look at your work
[02:41] <ahoneybun> yea I know I'll send a link to both list to look over the docs on monday and then send a call for translation on friday once all the errors are fixed
[02:42] <kpc> does anyone know how to mount a samba share in kubuntu?
[02:44] <ahoneybun> mount /home/samba /mnt/sambashare ?
[02:44] <Primula1380> valorie I ran this command to find my Chromium plugins:  chrome://plugins/
[02:45] <Primula1380> When I did that, I found Shockwave Flash
[02:45] <valorie> ah, yes I have that too
[02:46] <valorie> but your cbc vids are still not playing?
[02:46] <Primula1380> yes, but not full screen
[02:46] <Primula1380> only in a small box
[02:46] <valorie> hmmm
[02:46] <Primula1380> the browsersays full screen, but it's not
[02:46] <valorie> I rarely watch fullscreen, so I'm not much help
[02:47] <Primula1380> It looks like Shockwave Flash plugin may be installed but Chromium's chrome://plugins/ command says Type:	PPAPI (out-of-process)
[02:48] <Primula1380> Also, I think I only have about 600 MB of RAM left, after all the stuff I installed, especially the pepper flash plugin, that used up a lot of my RAM
[02:49] <Primula1380> I also had tried to install Adobe Flash straight from the Adobe website, so that probably wasted a lot of RAM, too
[02:51] <valorie> there is a flash-installer or somesuch in the repos
[02:51] <valorie> !info flash-installer
[02:51] <valorie> huh
[02:51] <ahoneybun> flashplugin-installer
[02:52] <ahoneybun> !info flashplugin-installer
[02:52] <Primula1380> I recall having watched CBC videos full screen using Firefox before, using Firefox's built in plugins, but I think that was with the Xubuntu live CD
[02:52] <valorie> ah
[02:53] <valorie> well, I've never tried running from a live anything except to test equipment before installing
[02:53] <valorie> so again, not much help
[02:53] <valorie> flashpluginstaller is annoying, but useful if necessary
[02:54] <valorie> I've not seen it run for months
[02:55] <Unit193> !info adobe-flashplugin partner
[02:58] <Primula1380> Considering all the problems I've been having with all the plugins for the linux browsers, I don't see the point in trying to install a dual boot system with Windows.  Linux just has too many plugin issues that always waste my time
[02:58] <valorie> I must not have that repo
[02:58] <valorie> apt-cache policy finds no adobe-flashplugin
[02:58] <valorie> and no candidate
[02:58] <valorie> Primula1380: ?
[02:58] <Unit193> !partner | valorie
[02:58] <valorie> I spend zero time on any of this
[02:59] <valorie> Unit193: right, but I don't need it
[02:59] <valorie> personally, I installed kubuntu-restricted-extras or whatever it's called and never gave any of it another thought
[02:59] <valorie> and haven't for years
[02:59] <valorie> everything Just Works
[02:59] <Primula1380> I've never had any problems installing plugins in Windows.  But with linux, I always have problems installing plugins, and even more trying to get them to work
[03:00] <valorie> ok
[03:00] <valorie> this isn't religion
[03:00] <valorie> everyone should use the tools they prefer
[03:00] <valorie> my husband is a win user from DOS days
[03:00] <valorie> I escaped as soon as I could
[03:01] <Primula1380> May be there are some other distribution of linux besides xubuntu and kubuntu, that have fewer problems with plugins
[03:01] <valorie> this laptop was dual boot and I never bothered to boot up windows so decided why waste the space
[03:01] <ahoneybun> Primula1380: flash in general?
[03:02] <valorie> this is a fresh install of vivid and I literally only installed kub-restricted and nothing else
[03:02] <Primula1380> Yeah, flash is the most problematic plugin for me when using Kubuntu and Xubuntu
[03:02] <valorie> I believe that pulled in pepperflash
[03:02] <valorie> or perhaps I installed it because I used to need it
[03:02] <valorie> can't recall
[03:03] <valorie> it just is not a problem
[03:07] <ahoneybun> I swear somewhere it said youtube used html5
[03:07] <Unit193> Primula1380: Firefox?  And is this plugin problem only flash?
[03:07] <ahoneybun> or at least beta test it
[03:07] <Unit193> ahoneybun: It does if it can.
[03:09] <denza252> adooble flash won't work with chrome/chromium
[03:09] <denza252> they locked out Netscape Plugins
[03:09] <Unit193> No, there you'd need PPAPI, so pepperflash.
[03:09] <ahoneybun> oh o
[03:16] <Primula1380> I already tried installing pepper flash with several commands and none of them worked
[03:16] <Primula1380> I also had tried isntalling pepper flash using Muon Discovery Software Center and Muon Package Manager
[03:17] <Mook> Hello- major problem. I just installed the latest security updates and my keyboard no longer works. Love to tell you what the updates were, but I can't enter the password. Keyboard works fine for setting up encrypted file system & login screen. Fails as soon as KDE load completes. So, it's definitely a software problem. Any suggestions?
[03:17] <Primula1380> I have now spent several hours trying to install pepper flash onto Chromium, and nothing has worked so far
[03:18] <Mook> Multiple reboots & fiddling with System Settings->Input Devices->Keyboard Model haven't helped.
[03:18] <Primula1380> I think it's time to give up ever trying to get pepper flash to work on Chromium, and time to consider using a better distribution of linux that has less plugin problems
[03:18] <Unit193> Mook: Boot to text?
[03:18] <Unit193> !text | Mook
[03:19] <Mook> The only think I did different was Ctl-Alt-Bksp to restart the server
[03:19] <Mook> Let me give that a try.
[03:20] <Mook> There's also no power to the Caps lock LED. Weird
[03:20] <Unit193> Indeed.
[03:21] <Mook> This is going to sound stupid, but holding down shift while starting KDE has fixed the issue. *Very* scary.
[03:22] <Unit193> Yey! :P
[03:23] <Mook> I know, but what the heck. All the hard stuff like the graphical interface worked fine. I'm installing a virtual keyboard just in case.  Also, the virtual keyboard widget that comes with Kubuntu didn't work.
[03:24] <valorie> Primula1380: I gave you the correct command above
[03:24] <valorie> `sudo apt install pepperflashplugin-nonfree`
[03:24] <valorie> in the cli
[03:25]  * ahoneybun wishes his laptop touch worked in Ubuntu
[03:25] <Mook> Thx Unit193. Are you in a position to pass this along as some weirdness that might be happening to others?
[03:25] <Primula1380> valorie, which command?  I think the command you had posted I had tried already
[03:26] <Unit193> Mook: Nooope.  I hardly help in here.
[03:27] <valorie> no, you tried different weird stuff I've never seen before
[03:27] <valorie> `sudo apt install pepperflashplugin-nonfree`
[03:27] <Primula1380> Yeah, I ran that command and it worked, but when i rebooted Chromium, the plugin was not there
[03:32] <valorie> Primula1380: please do, in the cli: `apt-cache policy  pepperflashplugin-nonfree`
[03:32] <valorie> Primula1380: please do, in the cli: `apt-cache policy pepperflashplugin-nonfree`
[03:32] <valorie> without the extra space, sorry
[03:32] <valorie> is it actually installed, or not?
[03:33] <valorie> copy from between the backticks
[03:33] <Primula1380> Sorry valerie, Actually, I had successfully installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree using the Muon Package Manager, then I ran this command:  sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install, and that also worked, but I kept rebooting Chromium after each command, and pepper flash plugin never showed up
[03:34] <Primula1380> What is "the cli:"  Is that some sort of program?
[03:35] <Primula1380> My guess is "the cli:" is the command prompt, right?
[03:36] <valorie> command line interface, yes
[03:36] <valorie> konsole, or using control+alt+f2 if you prefer
[03:37] <Primula1380> I ran that command, and this is the results I got... pepperflashplugin-nonfree:   Installed: 1.3ubuntu1   Candidate: 1.3ubuntu1   Version table:  *** 1.3ubuntu1 0         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/multiverse amd64 Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[03:38] <valorie> ok, so it is installed
[03:38] <valorie> bizarre that chromium isn't picking it up
[03:39] <Primula1380> But I mentioned I found Shockwave Flash
[03:40] <Primula1380> when I entered this URL address in Chromium:  chrome://plugins
[03:40] <valorie> that is exactly what I have in chrome://plugins/
[03:40] <Primula1380> But it says Type:  PAPPI (out of process)
[03:41] <valorie> Adobe Flash Player - Version: 16.0.0.305
[03:41] <valorie> Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0
[03:41] <valorie> Name:	Shockwave Flash
[03:41] <valorie> Description:	Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0
[03:41] <valorie> Version:	16.0.0.305
[03:41] <Primula1380> Location:	/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so Type:	PPAPI (out-of-process)
[03:41] <valorie> Location:	/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so
[03:41] <valorie> Type:	PPAPI (out-of-process)
[03:41] <valorie>  	Disable
[03:41] <valorie> MIME types:	
[03:41] <valorie> MIME type	Description	File extensions
[03:41] <valorie> application/x-shockwave-flash	Shockwave Flash	
[03:41] <valorie> .swf
[03:41] <valorie> application/futuresplash	FutureSplash Player	
[03:41] <Unit193> valorie: Good.  One.
[03:41] <valorie> .spl
[03:42] <valorie> Disable ￼ Always allowed
[03:42] <valorie> oops
[03:42] <valorie> bigger paste than I was expecting
[03:42] <valorie> in any case, flash works for me, I think
[03:42] <valorie> although your cbc site doesn't
[03:42] <Unit193> If you look at his, it has found it.
[03:42] <Primula1380> I haven't tried running videos on another website
[03:43] <Primula1380> Which plugin should I use for the Firefox Browser to watch news videos on the cbc.ca website?
[03:43] <Unit193> https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ what version does that say you have?
[03:43] <valorie> I can't watch cbc vids in either browser, I believe because they won't allow them to be played in the US
[03:44] <valorie> Linux 	Mozilla, Firefox - NPAPI (Extended Support Release) 	11.2.202.451
[03:44] <valorie> Chrome (embedded), Chromium-based browsers - PPAPI 	17.0.0.134
[03:44] <ahoneybun> valorie: vpn?
[03:44]  * ahoneybun has a working ubuntu touch app
[03:44] <valorie> I don't care, ahoneybun, I was just testing for Primula1380
[03:45] <Primula1380> You have version 17,0,0,134 installed  Unit193
[03:45] <valorie> well, I do
[03:45] <ahoneybun> oh
[03:45] <Primula1380> that's what is says, Unit193
[03:45]  * valorie goes off to eat the rest of dinner
[03:46] <Primula1380> Chrome (embedded), Chromium-based browsers - PPAPI	17.0.0.134    . . .  is what I have installed on Chromium, but I don't think it works
[03:48] <Primula1380> Oh yeah, it is working
[03:49] <Primula1380> I was assuming it's not working because there's no plugins menu and it never showed up in the extensions menu
[03:50] <Primula1380> I finally got the full screen option to work, because I had finally installed Adobe Flash
[04:42] <PerfM> hi friends
[04:42] <PerfM> hey gang, how's it going
[04:49] <PerfM> rww, I don't really understand your irc status, but are you in every ubuntu channel?
[04:49] <PerfM> rww, because there are like 10000 channels that are ubuntu related and I did really just want to make ubuntu tech support friends but now I never will because of you
[04:50] <PerfM> rww, you created this monster. You remember that.
[04:56] <valorie> PerfM: please remain on topic
[04:57] <PerfM> valorie, I am so sorry, I suffer from A.D.D, so please. If I ever go off topic just bring me back to earth, okay.
[04:58] <valorie> done
[08:12] <reza> hi guys
[08:12] <reza> how much swap do I need for using vm in ubuntu
[08:13] <soee> no idea, im sign vb and do not have swap ;)
[08:13] <soee> *im using
[08:14] <soee> but i think my 8gb ram is enough to handle it without any problems
[08:16] <reza> I have 3Gb ram
[08:17] <reza> I want to know how much swap shuold I use to later use win7 in vm
[08:18] <valorie> !swap
[08:21] <reza> I don't use hibrnate at all
[08:22] <reza> I don't even want to use swap
[08:22] <reza> but last time I asked
[08:22] <reza> someone told me
[08:22] <reza> if I want to use vm I must have swap
[08:29] <olafw> reza, you need enough memory to run the host operating system + enough memory to run the guest
[08:29] <olafw> while minimum requirements for linux and windows 7 are small, in practice 3 GB may be too little to run them both well at the same time
[08:29] <reza> no I run my os without problem
[08:30] <olafw> adding swap will prevent crashes due to running out of memory, but when swap is used the system may slow down considerably
[08:30] <reza> but I want to know do I need swap to use win7 with vm or not
[08:31] <olafw> you can probably configure the vm to give windows 7 something like 1 or 1.5 GB of memory to run in
[08:31] <olafw> windows7 should be doing its own swapping from there
[08:32] <olafw> that also reduces the amount of memory for the host from 3 to 2 or even 1.5 GB
[08:32] <olafw> at which point the host os will likely need swap
[08:34] <reza> so you say how much swap I use
[08:34] <reza> base on 3Gb ram I have
[08:35] <olafw> a common recommendation used to be about 2 x physical memory
[08:40] <olafw> ideally, you'd measure and adapt
[09:10] <blues-man> hello
[09:11] <reza> hi
[09:45]  * nomic likes xfce
[11:13] <Nikhil> hi everyone :)
[11:15] <monkeyjuice> morning Nikhil
[11:16] <Nikhil> whats up monkeyjuice ? :)
[11:17] <monkeyjuice> drinking coffee;)
[11:17] <Nikhil> good start to a day :)
[11:17] <monkeyjuice> oh ya its a must
[11:52] <yossarianuk> im so happy !
[11:52] <yossarianuk> my request to re-include the OSS modules in the kernel is being taken seriously ....
[11:52] <yossarianuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1434842
[11:53] <yossarianuk> no more having to recompile the kernel every other week to play paintball2 !
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:04] <jbwiv> guys, I've switched Ubuntu 14.10 to Kubuntu by apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. However, over time (say 24 hours) i find that kde really starts to slow down and become sluggish. kwin tends to use a fair amount of cpu, but nothing I'd say was overwhelming to this box (dual quad core/8GB ram/GeForce GTX 650 Ti). For example, kwin is using 34% CPU and X is using 33% at the moment. Combined, they've bumped my system load to around 5.63, which is pretty damned high
[13:07] <jbwiv> is this a common problem, and is there a way to fix without completely logging out/back in or shutting down X?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> jbwiv, have you compared the cpu usage in Unity DE as well , or do you still have it?
[13:08] <jbwiv> BluesKaj: I do still have it. It wasn't nearly as high
[13:08] <jbwiv> or as sluggish
[13:08] <soee> jbwiv: are you using Unity also or switch to Kubuntu for good ?
[13:08] <jbwiv> soee: trying to switch to Kubuntu for good
[13:09] <jbwiv> it seems to be much slower/sluggish after I leave it screenlocked overnight
[13:09] <jbwiv> after about 10 minutes, things tend to speed up a bit
[13:09] <soee> jbwiv: try Vivid beta
[13:09] <soee> :)
[13:09] <BluesKaj> jbwiv, so you still have a lot of gtk apps ?
[13:10] <soee> if you plan to switch to Kubuntu do it straight to Vivid where you have Plasma 5
[13:10] <jbwiv> BluesKaj: they're still laying around. Really the only gtk apps I use regularly are pidgin, terminator, and (i believe it's gtk) Firefox
[13:10] <jbwiv> and I use Chrome, which seems to be very slow after I unlock in the mornings as well
[13:11] <jbwiv> soee: I'm not sure switching my production workstation to a beta just to see if this problem goes away is a fun proposition
[13:11] <BluesKaj> jb do you have / and /home partitions ?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> jbwiv,^
[13:11] <jbwiv> BluesKaj: I do. / is on an SSD and /home on a standard drive
[13:13] <BluesKaj> ok recommend you format / to ext4 then reinstall kubuntu image there , just set the m,ountpoint for /home when reinstalling and use manual partitioning
[13:14] <jbwiv> BluesKaj: / is already ext4
[13:14] <jbwiv> managed by lvm
[13:14] <BluesKaj> that method saves your data and conf files
[13:15] <BluesKaj> well just install kubuntudaily image there
[13:17] <BluesKaj> aamof I'm about to put 14.10 on another hdd I have in my pc because plasam5 is beginning to pi** me off , and that's the method I've used many times, successfully
[13:18] <jbwiv> BluesKaj: I'm just not sure why reformatting would make a difference
[13:18] <hateball> I've got this fun thing since upgrading to 15.04 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344879
[13:18] <hateball> on the topic of sluggish
[13:19] <BluesKaj> to get rid of the ubuntu stuff that you don't don't need , I'm sure it's the cause of the cpu usage creep
[13:19] <BluesKaj> jbwiv,^
[13:20] <BluesKaj> anyway I'm going to install 14.10, so I'll BBL
[13:21] <jbwiv> BluesKaj: thanks for the help
[13:23] <soee> hateball: wait 3 days for Plasma 5.2.2
[13:23] <soee> a lot of bugs fixed
[13:58] <drdozer> in plasma 5, what file browser shoud I be using?
[13:58] <drdozer> it has defaulted to gwenview, which is a disaster
[13:59] <hateball> drdozer: dolphin is a file browser
[13:59] <hateball> gwenview is for images
[14:00] <drdozer> hateball, yeah - that's what I was expecting given my use of kde4 but right now the default applications thing in system settings is telling me taht I'm browsing directories with gwenview, and there's no other option being displayed
[14:00] <hateball> heh
[14:00] <hateball> drdozer: well are you using plasma5 on 14.10, or are you on 15.04?
[14:01] <drdozer> 15.04
[14:01] <hateball> then you should probably ask in #ubuntu+1
[14:01] <hateball> since it's not released stable yet
[14:01] <drdozer> thanks
[14:18] <chanyunfat> Помогите пожалуйста мне !!!!
[14:19] <chanyunfat> есть тут кто живой ????
[14:21] <chanyunfat> срочно нужна помощь
[14:22] <soee> !ru
[14:22] <soee> chanyunfat: spean english  if you want to get help here
[14:22] <soee> *speak
[14:23] <hackerdu11> hello all
[14:23] <chanyunfat> i dont speak english
[14:23] <hackerdu11> no too
[14:24] <chanyunfat> yota to kubuntu &
[14:26] <hackerdu11> yes i own kubuntu
[14:27] <hackerdu11> change
[14:29] <hackerdu11> to the kali package
[14:29] <chanyunfat> kali package ?
[15:07] <m_tadeu> hi...is this the place to ask about kubuntu 15.04?
[15:09] <mflow> Any ideas what I get undefined reference to symbol 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5' ?
[15:11] <mflow> Something is wrong with the linker
[15:27] <Riddell> m_tadeu: you can try, you can also try in #ubuntu+1 or in #kubuntu+1 we havn't quite got a single answer for that currently
[15:28] <m_tadeu> Riddell: thanx
[15:32] <srichter> hi everyone, I jsut installed 15.04 (upgrading did not go that well) and I noticed that when I change the "File Association" of a mime-type, the system deos not get properly updated and dolphin, for example, does not know about the changes
[15:32] <srichter> Is that a know bug? (Googling did not reveal anything)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> srichter, the troubles with a dev desktop, lot's of annoyances that don't get any attention
[15:34] <srichter> BluesKaj: Any chance I can run a command to update the DBs? The setting seems to get stored soemwhere at least
[15:34] <BluesKaj> complain in #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-devel
[15:34] <srichter> he he
[15:34] <BluesKaj> sr you can try running updatedb , but I dunno how much good that will do
[15:35] <BluesKaj> srichter,^
[15:35]  * srichter is trying that...
[15:35] <joan_> how can I prevent kde starting an unwanted app to manage an add-on feature from firefox. I want kde let me *save* imagepicker add-on selected images instead on starting other apps, like qmmp or easytag
[15:36] <BluesKaj> sorry , no idea
[15:36] <BluesKaj> someone else might tho
[15:36] <srichter> BluesKaj: yeah, no luck...
[15:40] <srichter> BluesKaj: Ha, in my frustration I started to edit the file associations through the context menu in Dolphin. I noticed the entries were not updated there as well; once I updated that version, it worked
[15:41] <srichter> BluesKaj: I bet you it has something to do with KDE 4 and 5 living alongsize each other
[15:41] <BluesKaj> yeah, I've been trying patiently to give plsama 5/KF5 a chance to fix the obvious anoyances , but I've decided to stick with 14.10 plasma 4 as my first choice OS...fed up with my fav features being dropped
[17:03] <olmeca> my update manager is not working, i go aplay changes, and ask for password, but doesn't go trought
[17:03] <olmeca> go further
[17:06] <BluesKaj> olmeca, maybe your packages are up to date
[18:00] <SporkWitch> some steam and wine games are incorrectly picking my usb headset for default audio output, even though my main speakers are set at the top of the priority list in all categories except "communications"; is there anywhere else device priority is assigned that could be causing this behaviour?  i can force the games to use the main speakers manually, but doing so causes them to claim exclusive access
[18:00] <SporkWitch> to the main output, and no other program can use it (e.g. can't have music or a video going while playing)
[18:03] <darthanubis> is there a known issue with chromium, pepperflash, and kubuntu 15.04?
[18:22] <dxerf> hello
[18:22] <dxerf> darkpt:  hello?
[18:24] <genii> !ask
[18:46] <SporkWitch> some steam and wine games are incorrectly picking my usb headset for default audio output, even though my main speakers are set at the top of the priority list in all categories except "communications"; is there anywhere else device priority is assigned that could be causing this behaviour?  i can force the games to use the main speakers manually, but doing so causes them to claim exclusive access
[18:46] <SporkWitch> to the main output, and no other program can use it (e.g. can't have music or a video going while playing)
[18:58] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, try pavucontrol to switch your audio outputs between devices
[18:59] <SporkWitch> installing now
[19:04] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: so i'm not seeing anything about defaults in there.  i assume i want "fallback" to be highlighted on the headset, and NOT highlighted on the main speakers?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, you use just one audio chip , correct?
[19:06] <nomic> can anyone help me trying to get python/cocos2d into an apk?
[19:06] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: on-board audio is the main output, and then there's the USB headset which shows up as its own device
[19:07] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: the problem is that some programs are ignoring the settings in "audio setup" from right clicking on kmix, and using the headset instead of the main speakers.
[19:07] <SporkWitch> (the specific program i'm testing against is MirrorMoon EP in Steam; Diablo 3 does it in WINE as well, but will figure that out after, since it's non-native and may have its own quirks)
[19:08] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: installed pavucontrol, ran it normally and as root, but i don't see anything about setting defaults or priority.  i clicked "set as fallback" on the headset, but no change when i restart steam and launch the game, the sound still comes out of the headset
[19:09] <SporkWitch> two asserts do fail when starting pavucontrol, then the same same two one more time:
[19:09] <SporkWitch> (pavucontrol:1385): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_device_ungrab: assertion 'GDK_IS_DEVICE (device)' failed
[19:09] <SporkWitch> (pavucontrol:1385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_device_grab_remove: assertion 'GDK_IS_DEVICE (device)' failed
[19:13] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, sudo gstreamer-properties, to setup your headset
[19:14] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: not installed, and other applications use it correct (e.g. skype, mumble, gchat through chrome and firefox)
[19:14] <BluesKaj> at least that command used to work , bummer
[19:14] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: i'm digging into pacmd now...
[19:15] <SporkWitch> when i list-sinks, it looks like it's assigning the headset index 0, so that may explain it
[19:16] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, what does, cat /proc/asound/module, show for available drivers?
[19:17] <SporkWitch> two for hda_intel and two for usb_audio
[19:17] <SporkWitch> so i presume the intels are the analog and digital outputs from the on-board, the usb are the headset and the webcam
[19:19] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, yeah in /etc//modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf  your speaker based driver should be , options snd-hda-intel index=0 ,and the usb driver should be index=1
[19:19] <SporkWitch> so in alsa? not in default.pa?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, I don't use default.pa, I just know it works in alsa
[19:21] <SporkWitch> ok, digging around in it now; it's actually looking like it should be good already, since i see it setting usb_audio to -2 with a comment of PREVENTING it from becoming the default sound card
[19:22] <BluesKaj> I also have 2 soundcards on eonboard and one m-audio pci , and that's the methos i use in alsa-base
[19:22] <BluesKaj> yeah, seen that before
[19:22] <SporkWitch> so i can just add that line at the end, then? (no current entries for snd_hda_intel)
[19:23] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:23] <SporkWitch> and it should be dashes, even though the output from asound/modules is underscore?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> either dashes or underscore should work
[19:24] <SporkWitch> and just service alsa restart ?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> dunno
[19:25] <BluesKaj> never tried that one
[19:25] <SporkWitch> eh, need to reboot for a kernel update anyway, will just restart and we'll see what happens
[19:45] <Anfion> Hola!!!
[19:56] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: got it fixed.  it was definitely pulse that was the problem.  i had to edit /etc/pulse/default.pa and define the default sink (output) and default source (input) manually at the bottom of the file.  the names to populate those entries are obtained from pacmd [list-sinks|list-sources].  rebooted and now mirrormoon is correctly outputing to main speakers
[19:59] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, I use pulseaudio as little as possibe, to me it's a necessary evil due to my amd cpu and m-audio soundcard, if these chips were intel , I wouldn';t have PA  on this pc ...i don't use it on my laptop , thank goodness
[19:59] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: yeah, nothing but nightmares ever since *buntu switched to it
[19:59] <BluesKaj> exactly
[20:00] <SporkWitch> it only took them, what, 3 years after the switch just to let us adjust application volume from the tray icon? something we'd been able to do just fine for years before the switch...
[20:02] <BluesKaj> I use spdif out to an audio receiver since this pc is my media server, and the intel audio chip is index=1 in the alsa.conf and i can switch between the 2 outputs if needed\
[20:02] <SporkWitch> yay! now i can have game sound and music/video in the background!
[20:03] <BluesKaj> yeah , that's only good thing about PA, simultaneous audio sources
[20:03] <SporkWitch> yeah, this is just the analog out to a logitech 5.1 setup, and then the USB headset, but apparently pulse thinks something with "usb" and "headset" in the info should take priority for primary output, over an actual sound card
[20:05] <SporkWitch> well the crazy is that it's only certain applications that were problematic.  most stuff listened to the priorities set in audio setup, but certain steam games, and games running in WINE, wouldn't.  they'd let me manually select the right output, but that gave them exclusive access to it; only way to get it mux'd was to choose default, but it was thinking that's the headset
[20:16] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, linux audio is definitely chaotic and a comprehnsive audio suite sure would be nice
[20:23] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: i'd settle for simply having ONE place where the settings are defined :P
[20:24] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, that's probly a more realistic wish :)
[20:25] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: and really, it's all we actually NEED.  the problem here wasn't being unable to set the defaults, but the fact that there were (at least) 3 different places for the defaults to be stored, and different games used different ones
[20:25] <SporkWitch> if the default volume control has an audio setup button that lets me pick priority and preference, then that menu should be changing all the defaults, if there's more than one.  that's all i want lol
[20:26] <SporkWitch> (and it's only really an issue with USB headsets)
[20:26] <BluesKaj> lucky for me that I'm not a gamer, i'd probly have less hair than I do now if I was :)
[20:27] <SporkWitch> eh, it's usually not too bad these days
[20:27] <SporkWitch> the trick is having a console to play the games that don't have native linux versions :)
[20:28] <SporkWitch> if it has a linux version and DOESN"T play better with a gamepad, i buy it on steam for linux.  if it doesn't have a linux version, and it doesn't play horribly WITH a gamepad, i buy it on PS4.  if it doesn't have a linux or PS4 version, i probably won't buy it at all, unless it looks REALLY good AND it runs in WINE without too much effort ("too much" being defined as "takes more than 10 minutes
[20:28] <SporkWitch> to make it work")
[20:30]  * BluesKaj nods, a few options there alright
[20:46] <BluesKaj> well, gonna call it a day ...laters
[20:57] <darky_> Will kubuntu 15.04 have plasma5?
[21:01] <darky_> hope not... well bye for now... restarting X just removed it, bleh breeze ugly looking theme... i cant seem to get the taste of it... feels somewhat a downgrade... simple windows / mac ish feeling discusting...
[21:10] <darky_> \o/ plasma 4 yeah ... few...
[21:11] <darky_> oxygen \o/
[21:11] <mparillo> darky_: Barring a complete meltdown, yes 15.04 will be plasma 5, and since 14.10 is only supported for 9 months, your best bet for Plasma 4 would be 14.04 LTS.
[21:11] <rww> doesn't plasma5 have an oxygen theme anyway?
[21:14] <mparillo> Oxygen is shipped, yes, but there are always theme related bugs.
[21:15] <darky_> mparillo: oke.... ill wait with upgrading untill oxygen is fully back.. i tryed breeze... i tryed it for a few days, and cannot get used to it... :( :( i want to so bad, ... bud its just not my thing...  might as well buy windows if a want simplistic icons or lack of colored icons...
[21:16] <darky_> gonne set my upgrade manager to LTS for now... thanx for the info :)
[21:18] <darky_> nn
[22:07] <bl4ckd34th_> hy
[22:40] <morgan_> hi - I have a 15.04 question - but i think it would (possibly apply to 14.10, etc)
[22:41] <morgan_> the locale (not in plasma/kde) setting have defaulted to US
[22:41] <morgan_> where can I change the locale settings for console ?
[23:03] <Versus_> Hello everyone, i have one question is here the appropriate area to do thisq
[23:06] <mparillo> !ask