| didrocks | good morning | 07:06 |
|---|---|---|
| seb128 | hey didrocks & desktopers | 07:08 |
| happyaron | attente_: we are thinking to revert qimpanel to Qt4, indicator submenu does not really work for Qt5 | 07:40 |
| seb128 | happyaron, can we fix qt5 indicators to work? we eventually need to do that anyway | 07:41 |
| happyaron | attente_: actually qimpanel might not be necessary in touch environment, depending on whether we want on-screen keyboard | 07:41 |
| seb128 | happyaron, unity8 is not only touch, it's supposed to be also a full desktop equivalent to unity7 today, that you can control with hwd mouse and keyboard | 07:43 |
| happyaron | seb128: that'd be great and will try later today, reverting to Qt4 is only last resort | 07:44 |
| happyaron | seb128: we would need different behavior of input method UI for touch and non-touch, though | 07:45 |
| seb128 | happyaron, why? | 07:45 |
| happyaron | seb128: candidates need to be displayed in combine with the keyboard when it's touch (with on screen keyboard), but they would be displayed in a much smaller candidate window (what we have now on desktop) when it's non-touch | 07:47 |
| seb128 | happyaron, well, the point is that you need to support a classic desktop with physical keyboard and non touch screen case, so you need the indicator | 07:49 |
| happyaron | I understand the indicator | 07:50 |
| willcooke | Morning folks. Got a man in this morning, probably going to turn the power off for ~ an hour around lunch time | 08:22 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:22 |
| seb128 | willcooke, well, thanks to laptop and 3g you can work for an hour without power in the house right? ;-) | 08:23 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 08:24 |
| willcooke | seb128, yes! Good call, let's see how reliable it is | 08:27 |
| mlankhorst | morning | 08:29 |
| didrocks | happy monday mlankhorst | 08:35 |
| mlankhorst | happy monday! | 08:35 |
| seb128 | hey mlankhorst | 08:38 |
| willcooke | hey mlankhorst was this bug something you had looked at already? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1424263 | 08:45 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1424263 in steam (Ubuntu) "Broken dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:45 |
| willcooke | seb128, all this talk about UEFI becoming mandatory (which as far as I can tell is mostly FUD) - does the installer already knows how to deal with UEFI (both 64bit and 32bit)? | 08:48 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I didn't follow the discussion about it being mandatory, but we deal fine wit UEFI, at least on 64 bits | 08:49 |
| seb128 | not sure on 32 bits and if it's a limitation on our side or not supported | 08:49 |
| seb128 | when I got the touch inspiron laptop I first tried to boot a 32 bits iso (I had that on an usb stick) and that never worked with the uefi/secure boot | 08:50 |
| willcooke | I had to compile some kind of 32bit grub to get the ISO to boot on an HP tablet I was loaned. Probably worth me dropping Foundations an email | 08:50 |
| willcooke | is it foundations? | 08:50 |
| seb128 | yes | 08:50 |
| willcooke | cool, thx | 08:50 |
| seb128 | let me know if you hear back | 08:50 |
| seb128 | I just assumed that uefi/secure boot was an amd64 feature, but I didn't check more | 08:51 |
| willcooke | I seem to remember seeing something about a new Atom chipset being 32bit, but only for UEFI - I guess it's a BIOS thing - like the BIOS was compiled for 32bit | 08:54 |
| darkxst | willcooke, yes there are 32-bit atom's with UEFI, prior to those those UEFI was only supported on 64-bit | 08:57 |
| willcooke | ah, kk | 08:58 |
| darkxst | idk why intel is releasing 32-bit chips though in this day and age | 08:58 |
| willcooke | :) | 08:59 |
| === duflu_ is now known as duflu | ||
| seb128 | mvo, hey, dunno if you have any free cycles for click, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1435228 seems like something worth looking at if we start getting more people working on creating applications | 09:46 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1435228 in click (Ubuntu) "UnicodeEncodeError when building click with non ascii filename included" [High,New] | 09:46 |
| seb128 | not sure how common that is, but probably not uncommon in some languages | 09:46 |
| seb128 | (like in french, just hit that while making a small application to list french départements ;-) | 09:47 |
| mvo | seb128: thanks, time is short, I see what I can do | 09:47 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks, I tried to look at it a bit, but seems like python encoding and me don't really get along | 09:48 |
| larsu | seb128: nobody gets along with python encoding | 09:49 |
| seb128 | larsu, it's possible ;-) | 09:49 |
| mlankhorst | morning | 09:54 |
| * didrocks has a déjà-vu effect | 09:57 | |
| ogra_ | thats just a crack in the matrix | 10:00 |
| seb128 | happyaron, could you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1387219 ? seems like ibus is creating issues for quite some users, comments suggest that the bug is when ibus-gtk is not installed | 10:03 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1387219 in ibus (Ubuntu) "Mouse pointer disappears and cursor stops blinking" [High,Confirmed] | 10:03 |
| mvo | seb128: yeah, what larsu said, with the exception of barry maybe ;) | 10:03 |
| seb128 | mvo, feel free to bounce the bug to him then ;-) | 10:03 |
| larsu | bonjour didrocks. How was your weekend? | 10:05 |
| didrocks | lol | 10:05 |
| didrocks | I guess all those déjà-vu effects are due to systemd rebuilding | 10:05 |
| larsu | haha | 10:05 |
| larsu | what's up? | 10:06 |
| larsu | new reviews in? | 10:06 |
| didrocks | larsu: still waiting for Lennart (now that he's back from holidays it seems?) to review what I posted a week and half ago | 10:06 |
| didrocks | didn't seem "that urgent" after all | 10:06 |
| didrocks | larsu: and plymouth upstream are ignoring the ML, so well… | 10:06 |
| didrocks | I'm more on fixing bug #1422681 now | 10:07 |
| ubot5 | bug 1422681 in upstart (Ubuntu) "split out upstart-sysv" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422681 | 10:07 |
| didrocks | to enable you booting back to upstream | 10:07 |
| didrocks | pitti broke it before going on holidays :p | 10:07 |
| larsu | didrocks: he said he'll be on holidays most of March — not sure he's back yet | 10:07 |
| didrocks | (so embrace some images which would maybe not build) | 10:07 |
| didrocks | larsu: he was yesterday on the upstream ML | 10:07 |
| larsu | that's a good sig nI guess... | 10:08 |
| didrocks | let's see, I'm waiting for him to do more reviews first | 10:08 |
| didrocks | to repoke | 10:08 |
| willcooke | My Elite Dangerous kickstarter pack has arrived! Squeee | 11:02 |
| didrocks | … from that day, we never saw willcooke on IRC anymore | 11:03 |
| willcooke | :D | 11:03 |
| didrocks | willcooke: seems to be a fun game though, enjoy :) | 11:04 |
| * didrocks watched some live streams | 11:04 | |
| willcooke | I don't have a Windows machine, or indeed a machine powerful enough to play it I think. | 11:04 |
| willcooke | I was more excited about the concept than actually playing the game it seems | 11:04 |
| didrocks | yeah, forget about the x220 GPU chipset :p | 11:04 |
| willcooke | Plus I got a cool badge and a t shirt | 11:05 |
| * didrocks starts a quickstarter with $RandomThingButAboutSPACE! then | 11:05 | |
| willcooke | Generally, if it comes with a t shirt and/or a mug - I'll back it | 11:05 |
| willcooke | ;) | 11:05 |
| didrocks | ahah | 11:05 |
| didrocks | TBH, I guess it's the kind of games that are really fun if you have good friends and play while chatting | 11:06 |
| larsu | hm, I can't alt+tab between terminals with different app ids anymore | 11:07 |
| * larsu wonders if Laney's wrapper landed | 11:07 | |
| didrocks | larsu: didn't | 11:08 |
| larsu | hm, Trevinho then? | 11:09 |
| didrocks | not utterly recent unity or bamf either | 11:09 |
| larsu | _GTK_APPLICATION_ID is set correctly | 11:09 |
| larsu | weird! | 11:09 |
| larsu | didrocks: false alarm (I guess) - restarting all terminals makes it work again | 11:09 |
| larsu | probably something got confused | 11:09 |
| larsu | thanks didrocks | 11:09 |
| willcooke | power going off in a couple of mins, will reconnect via mobile, hopefully.... | 11:21 |
| attente_ | happyaron, seb128, what's the bug about the fcitx-qimpanel indicator not working under qt 5? why is the revert to qt 4 necessary? | 11:48 |
| ejat | hi | 11:53 |
| ejat | i got welcome to emergency mode after upgrade to vivid | 11:53 |
| ejat | what should i do ? | 11:53 |
| didrocks | ejat: hey, can you pastebin journalctl -b output? | 11:57 |
| ejat | didrocks : how to copy it .. its too long around 1603 line | 11:58 |
| didrocks | ejat: save it somewhere, reboot under upstart (there is a grub menu entry), and the use the pastebinit command | 12:00 |
| didrocks | then* | 12:00 |
| ejat | didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10660233/ | 12:08 |
| didrocks | ejat: Mar 23 19:57:19 macbuntu mount[281]: Error: cannot mount filesystem: No such device | 12:09 |
| ejat | ouch | 12:09 |
| didrocks | seems like there is an issue on /dev/sda1 or any other mount point you have in fstab, maybe? | 12:09 |
| * ejat running it on vmware | 12:09 | |
| ejat | didrocks: my fstab | 12:10 |
| ejat | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10660243/ | 12:10 |
| ejat | need to check the uuid ? | 12:11 |
| didrocks | ejat: yeah, try this and the swap partition | 12:11 |
| ejat | luckily i still have upstart to i can choose at the advance | 12:11 |
| ejat | try what ? | 12:11 |
| ejat | im running blkid | 12:13 |
| didrocks | ejat: check for uuid, if the file system is present while you are in emergency mode | 12:13 |
| ejat | showing the same uuid | 12:13 |
| didrocks | same for swap? | 12:13 |
| didrocks | (when in emergency mode?) | 12:13 |
| didrocks | oh, actually, I wonder if this is not the cause: | 12:13 |
| didrocks | .host:/ /mnt/hgfs vmhgfs defaults 0 0 | 12:13 |
| didrocks | can you try to comment it and restart under systemd? | 12:13 |
| ejat | ok | 12:14 |
| ejat | restarting .. | 12:14 |
| ejat | didrocks : yes .. its confirmed because of that .. thanks a lot | 12:15 |
| ejat | so i cant mount vmhgfs at start up ? | 12:15 |
| ejat | brb .. | 12:15 |
| didrocks | ejat: phew! ok, so seems systemd doesn't know how to parse fstab with this kind of config? | 12:16 |
| mlankhorst | didrocks: if I want to rebuild unity against opengl instead of gles2 on arm, what packages do i need besides nux, compiz and unity? | 12:18 |
| didrocks | mlankhorst: I guess that's the whole list, can't think about anything else gl-related on top of my head | 12:19 |
| mlankhorst | oke | 12:19 |
| mlankhorst | didrocks: does qt5 depend on gles2 too? | 12:21 |
| mlankhorst | hm probably in a harmless way | 12:22 |
| GunnarHj | happyaron, Laney: I think it's important to have the fcitx framework installed for all users; please see bug #1435311. | 12:25 |
| ubot5 | bug 1435311 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "fcitx (the framework) should be seeded in desktop" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435311 | 12:25 |
| didrocks | mlankhorst: yeah, some parts are, but not related to unity7 anyway | 12:30 |
| mlankhorst | ok | 12:31 |
| willcooke | back on mains power & internet. 3G was reliable. Good work technology! | 12:47 |
| didrocks | nice! | 12:49 |
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| didrocks | willcooke: "south of France"… isn't it? :p | 13:07 |
| willcooke | :D | 13:13 |
| willcooke | worth a try, right? | 13:13 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| didrocks | heh indeed :) | 13:14 |
| seb128 | sil2100, Mirv, is it known that the qtcreator recent files/projects submenus are empty with appmenu-qt5 (works fine if the theme env variable is unset to have local menus) | 14:08 |
| willcooke | seb128, am I really here? Just had what I hope is an unrelated power cut | 14:10 |
| Mirv | seb128: I don't follow appmenu-qt5 that closely, but sounds worth filing a bug about and including SDK team into it by adding qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu to the bug packages too (even if marked Invalid later) | 14:10 |
| seb128 | willcooke, yes you are here ;-) | 14:10 |
| willcooke | hrm | 14:11 |
| seb128 | Mirv, k, thanks | 14:11 |
| Mirv | seb128: sil is probably the best to debug the appmenu-qt5 itself | 14:11 |
| willcooke | Seems a bit strange that the power should just go out for a couple of minutes right after the man left. Strange thing is, he was only putting up wallpaper. | 14:11 |
| seb128 | sil2100, Mirv, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1435348 | 14:14 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1435348 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "qtcreator recently used file/project submenu empty" [Undecided,New] | 14:14 |
| seb128 | willcooke, why did he turn off power for that? he had wall plugs open? | 14:14 |
| willcooke | yeah exactly, had to take the sockets off the wall | 14:14 |
| willcooke | I expect wallpaper paste is fairly conductive :) | 14:15 |
| willcooke | chrisccoulson, qengho - can you tell me what version of Ffox/Cr is in V now please? | 14:29 |
| seb128 | willcooke, cr 41.0.2272.76-0ubuntu1.1134 | 14:29 |
| seb128 | willcooke, firefox 36.0.1+build2-0ubuntu1 | 14:30 |
| willcooke | thx seb128 - is that done via an apt-cache policy command? | 14:30 |
| seb128 | willcooke, it could, or rmadison | 14:33 |
| seb128 | willcooke, but it's done through firefox awesome bar | 14:33 |
| seb128 | I've a "lpc" alias | 14:33 |
| seb128 | "lpc $source" opens https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/$source | 14:34 |
| seb128 | so lpc firefox opens https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox | 14:34 |
| willcooke | thx seb128 | 14:34 |
| seb128 | yw | 14:35 |
| desrt | willcooke and seb128 are back! | 14:39 |
| willcooke | morning desrt | 14:40 |
| willcooke | Are you insinuating that there's a lot of mindless chatter in the channel when I'm here? ;p | 14:41 |
| happyaron | seb128: that would means gedit isn't supporting XIM very well, and it's true for many applications nowadays, but it's more obvious when gedit is a text editor | 14:41 |
| seb128 | desrt, back from where? w.e? | 14:41 |
| desrt | are you insinuating that i am the type to insinuate about mindless chatter? :D | 14:41 |
| desrt | seb128: were you not at a sprint of some kind? | 14:41 |
| seb128 | desrt, only for 1 day | 14:41 |
| willcooke | Never mind that, let's talk about cats vs dogs | 14:41 |
| larsu | morning desrt | 14:41 |
| seb128 | desrt, I didn't even stay for a night | 14:41 |
| didrocks | willcooke: weather please! | 14:41 |
| seb128 | I did London forth and back in the day | 14:42 |
| larsu | desrt: clearly you're not up to the latest news, which is why someone wrote "the desktop team (and desrt)" in an email recently | 14:42 |
| larsu | it all makes sense now | 14:42 |
| willcooke | didrocks, cloudy now, sunny before. Will probably rain later. | 14:42 |
| didrocks | ;) | 14:42 |
| happyaron | seb128: we've seeded ibus-gtk for 15.04, but don't know how to SRU to older releases. | 14:42 |
| desrt | larsu: i saw that email. it makes me happy. | 14:43 |
| happyaron | attente_: in 2.0.0, there's submenu in the indicator, but clicking on it will lead to a crash, in 2.1.0 the submenu is removed, but I got quite some people say the indicator menu goes far too long | 14:44 |
| larsu | desrt: why? | 14:44 |
| larsu | don't you want to be a part? | 14:44 |
| seb128 | happyaron, can we make ibus recommends it? | 14:45 |
| desrt | are we talking about the same email? | 14:45 |
| attente_ | happyaron: ok, i'll look at it. right now it's crashing on start for me :( | 14:45 |
| larsu | dunno which one it was tbh | 14:45 |
| desrt | we're having a sprint | 14:45 |
| larsu | just remembered chuckling at that phrase | 14:45 |
| larsu | desrt: no, not that one | 14:45 |
| * desrt speeds up his rate of coffee intake | 14:46 | |
| happyaron | seb128: ibus recommends ibus-gtk & ibus-gtk3, but don't know why people from time to time does not have it installed | 14:47 |
| happyaron | attente_: crash on unity7 or unity8? | 14:47 |
| attente_ | happyaron: unity7 | 14:47 |
| seb128 | happyaron, so flavor don't install recommends to reduce disk usage I think | 14:47 |
| attente_ | happyaron: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10661251/ | 14:47 |
| happyaron | attente_: yep, skinMenuItemOnClick is for submenu | 14:49 |
| happyaron | seb128: can we update ubuntu-desktop to depend on it? | 14:49 |
| happyaron | will that work? | 14:49 |
| attente_ | happyaron: is it crashing on launch for you? or only on opening the submenu? | 14:50 |
| happyaron | attente_: only on opening the submenu for 2.0.0, no crash for the current version | 14:50 |
| attente_ | happyaron: i don't think this is because of the qt5 port though, right? because you uploaded that a few weeks ago | 14:50 |
| seb128 | happyaron, I guess so, but that seems wrong | 14:50 |
| seb128 | happyaron, what component is creating the issue with gedit, is that ibus? I guess if ibus was not installed you wouldn't need ibus-gtk to get the cursor working? | 14:51 |
| happyaron | attente_: did a test that with Qt4 it's not crashing though | 14:51 |
| willcooke | desrt, larsu I think it was in the Telegram group chatr | 14:51 |
| happyaron | seb128: haven't verified the bug myself, it's common to blame the UI toolkit on this kind of bugs though | 14:53 |
| seb128 | happyaron, ubuntu-desktop seems the wrong place to fix it, we install recommends so don't have the issue, it seems users having the issue run gedit under e.g xubuntu | 14:53 |
| attente_ | happyaron: but the upload you did 2.0.0-0ubuntu1 was the qt 5 port and that was ok until 2.1.0-0ubuntu1, no? | 14:54 |
| happyaron | attente_: no, 2.1.0 expanded all submenu | 14:54 |
| happyaron | seb128: maybe make ibus Depends on them? looks a bit brute force to me | 14:55 |
| seb128 | happyaron, does ibus requires a frontend? in which case it should probably depends on ibus-gtk | ibus-frontend and make the different frontends provide "ibus-frontend"? | 14:56 |
| happyaron | seb128: it has XIM support built-in, as fallback "frontend" | 14:57 |
| happyaron | and we need ibus-gtk and ibus-gtk3 at the same time, or im-config will not export the env variable | 14:57 |
| seb128 | happyaron, so the gedit issue is gedit not properly supporting XIM? can you write that on the upstream bug? | 15:00 |
| happyaron | seb128: upstream generally ignores bugs like this | 15:00 |
| seb128 | well, at least they know what the issue is | 15:00 |
| seb128 | atm they blame Ubuntu | 15:00 |
| happyaron | seb128: true for gnome and chromium at least | 15:00 |
| happyaron | OK | 15:00 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:01 |
| willcooke | attente_, be right with you, just finishing an email | 15:01 |
| willcooke | attente_, ok, free for our 1:1? | 15:05 |
| attente_ | willcooke: hey, sure | 15:06 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| willcooke | larsu, is this anything we can fix? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1387163 | 16:19 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1387163 in unity (Ubuntu) "'Show Desktop' on launcher crashes compiz for any Gtk-Headerbar app when using any third party Gtk(3.12/3.14) theme (Utopic/Vivid)" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:20 |
| seb128 | willcooke, it's rather for bregma's team, maybe Trevinho | 16:32 |
| bregma | Trevinho in particular | 16:32 |
| bregma | when he gets back from a couple days rest | 16:32 |
| seb128 | k | 16:34 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, enjoy ;-) | 16:34 |
| bregma | something something Rome something something la dolce vita something something recovery | 16:35 |
| willcooke | thx chaps | 16:39 |
| willcooke | oh | 16:39 |
| willcooke | that reminds me | 16:39 |
| Trevinho | bregma: I'm already back :) | 16:50 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, wb ;-) | 16:52 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, did you have fun? | 16:52 |
| Trevinho | seb128: yeah, Ii actually just got one day off, last friday... I went to the Garda lake, for 2 days... Nice place, but weather wasn't the best... Nice stay anyway :) | 16:53 |
| seb128 | cool | 16:53 |
| bregma | Trevinho, I thought you were with your girlfriend -- why would you notice the weather? | 16:54 |
| Trevinho | bregma: well, I was with her... And well... It counts when you also want to "stay" outside :P | 16:55 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| mlankhorst | didrocks: I've switched over compiz to opengl now, but window decorations are broken, any idea? | 19:09 |
| mlankhorst | or at least what provides the window decorator? | 19:10 |
| didrocks | mlankhorst: unity-window-decorator | 19:11 |
| mlankhorst | oke | 19:11 |
| didrocks | it's an external process (but in compiz) | 19:11 |
| mlankhorst | external process or thread? | 19:12 |
| mlankhorst | I get a ton of black for everything related to window decorations, compositing itself works fine | 19:15 |
| didrocks | mlankhorst: external process IIRC | 19:17 |
| mlankhorst | odd, don't see one running? | 19:19 |
| mlankhorst | it's probably internal to compiz then, I need to get some more debug info first.. | 19:19 |
| didrocks | mlankhorst: that may have changed since they switch to appmenu inside windows | 19:22 |
| didrocks | in that case, it would be unity | 19:22 |
| didrocks | but, you can already try with compiz-window-decorator | 19:22 |
| didrocks | (unity-window-decorator was just a fork at the time) | 19:22 |
| willcooke | g'morning robert_ancell | 19:32 |
| robert_ancell | willcooke, hey | 19:32 |
| didrocks | morning robert_ancell! | 19:35 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, hello! | 19:35 |
| mlankhorst | oke | 19:35 |
| * didrocks waves good evening and good night | 19:54 | |
| === olli_ is now known as olli | ||
| * willcooke EOD. G'night | 20:54 | |
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