[07:06] <didrocks> good morning
[07:08] <seb128> hey didrocks & desktopers
[07:40] <happyaron> attente_: we are thinking to revert qimpanel to Qt4, indicator submenu does not really work for Qt5
[07:41] <seb128> happyaron, can we fix qt5 indicators to work? we eventually need to do that anyway
[07:41] <happyaron> attente_: actually qimpanel might not be necessary in touch environment, depending on whether we want on-screen keyboard
[07:43] <seb128> happyaron, unity8 is not only touch, it's supposed to be also a full desktop equivalent to unity7 today, that you can control with hwd mouse and keyboard
[07:44] <happyaron> seb128: that'd be great and will try later today, reverting to Qt4 is only last resort
[07:45] <happyaron> seb128: we would need different behavior of input method UI for touch and non-touch, though
[07:45] <seb128> happyaron, why?
[07:47] <happyaron> seb128: candidates need to be displayed in combine with the keyboard when it's touch (with on screen keyboard), but they would be displayed in a much smaller candidate window (what we have now on desktop) when it's non-touch
[07:49] <seb128> happyaron, well, the point is that you need to support a classic desktop with physical keyboard and non touch screen case, so you need the indicator
[07:50] <happyaron> I understand the indicator
[08:22] <willcooke> Morning folks.  Got a man in this morning, probably going to turn the power off for ~ an hour around lunch time
[08:22] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:23] <seb128> willcooke, well, thanks to laptop and 3g you can work for an hour without power in the house right? ;-)
[08:24] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:27] <willcooke> seb128, yes!  Good call, let's see how reliable it is
[08:29] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:35] <didrocks> happy monday mlankhorst
[08:35] <mlankhorst> happy monday!
[08:38] <seb128> hey mlankhorst
[08:45] <willcooke> hey mlankhorst was this bug something you had looked at already?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1424263
[08:45] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1424263 in steam (Ubuntu) "Broken dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:48] <willcooke> seb128, all this talk about UEFI becoming mandatory (which as far as I can tell is mostly FUD) - does the installer already knows how to deal with UEFI (both 64bit and 32bit)?
[08:49] <seb128> willcooke, I didn't follow the discussion about it being mandatory, but we deal fine wit UEFI, at least on 64 bits
[08:49] <seb128> not sure on 32 bits and if it's a limitation on our side or not supported
[08:50] <seb128> when I got the touch inspiron laptop I first tried to boot a 32 bits iso (I had that on an usb stick) and that never worked with the uefi/secure boot
[08:50] <willcooke> I had to compile some kind of 32bit grub to get the ISO to boot on an HP tablet I was loaned.  Probably worth me dropping Foundations an email
[08:50] <willcooke> is it foundations?
[08:50] <seb128> yes
[08:50] <willcooke> cool, thx
[08:50] <seb128> let me know if you hear back
[08:51] <seb128> I just assumed that uefi/secure boot was an amd64 feature, but I didn't check more
[08:54] <willcooke> I seem to remember seeing something about a new Atom chipset being 32bit, but only for UEFI - I guess it's a BIOS thing - like the BIOS was compiled for 32bit
[08:57] <darkxst> willcooke, yes there are 32-bit atom's with UEFI, prior to those those UEFI was only supported on 64-bit
[08:58] <willcooke> ah, kk
[08:58] <darkxst> idk why intel is releasing 32-bit chips though in this day and age
[08:59] <willcooke> :)
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[09:46] <seb128> mvo, hey, dunno if you have any free cycles for click, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1435228 seems like something worth looking at if we start getting more people working on creating applications
[09:46] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1435228 in click (Ubuntu) "UnicodeEncodeError when building click with non ascii filename included" [High,New]
[09:46] <seb128> not sure how common that is, but probably not uncommon in some languages
[09:47] <seb128> (like in french, just hit that while making a small application to list french départements ;-)
[09:47] <mvo> seb128: thanks, time is short, I see what I can do
[09:48] <seb128> mvo, thanks, I tried to look at it a bit, but seems like python encoding and me don't really get along
[09:49] <larsu> seb128: nobody gets along with python encoding
[09:49] <seb128> larsu, it's possible ;-)
[09:54] <mlankhorst> morning
[09:57]  * didrocks has a déjà-vu effect
[10:00] <ogra_> thats just a crack in the matrix
[10:03] <seb128> happyaron, could you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1387219 ? seems like ibus is creating issues for quite some users, comments suggest that the bug is when ibus-gtk is not installed
[10:03] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1387219 in ibus (Ubuntu) "Mouse pointer disappears and cursor stops blinking" [High,Confirmed]
[10:03] <mvo> seb128: yeah, what larsu said, with the exception of barry maybe ;)
[10:03] <seb128> mvo, feel free to bounce the bug to him then ;-)
[10:05] <larsu> bonjour didrocks. How was your weekend?
[10:05] <didrocks> lol
[10:05] <didrocks> I guess all those déjà-vu effects are due to systemd rebuilding
[10:05] <larsu> haha
[10:06] <larsu> what's up?
[10:06] <larsu> new reviews in?
[10:06] <didrocks> larsu: still waiting for Lennart (now that he's back from holidays it seems?) to review what I posted a week and half ago
[10:06] <didrocks> didn't seem "that urgent" after all
[10:06] <didrocks> larsu: and plymouth upstream are ignoring the ML, so well…
[10:07] <didrocks> I'm more on fixing bug #1422681 now
[10:07] <ubot5> bug 1422681 in upstart (Ubuntu) "split out upstart-sysv" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422681
[10:07] <didrocks> to enable you booting back to upstream
[10:07] <didrocks> pitti broke it before going on holidays :p
[10:07] <larsu> didrocks: he said he'll be on holidays most of March — not sure he's back yet
[10:07] <didrocks> (so embrace some images which would maybe not build)
[10:07] <didrocks> larsu: he was yesterday on the upstream ML
[10:08] <larsu> that's a good sig nI guess...
[10:08] <didrocks> let's see, I'm waiting for him to do more reviews first
[10:08] <didrocks> to repoke
[11:02] <willcooke> My Elite Dangerous kickstarter pack has arrived!  Squeee
[11:03] <didrocks> … from that day, we never saw willcooke on IRC anymore
[11:03] <willcooke> :D
[11:04] <didrocks> willcooke: seems to be a fun game though, enjoy :)
[11:04]  * didrocks watched some live streams
[11:04] <willcooke> I don't have a Windows machine, or indeed a machine powerful enough to play it I think.
[11:04] <willcooke> I was more excited about the concept than actually playing the game it seems
[11:04] <didrocks> yeah, forget about the x220 GPU chipset :p
[11:05] <willcooke> Plus I got a cool badge and a t shirt
[11:05]  * didrocks starts a quickstarter with $RandomThingButAboutSPACE! then
[11:05] <willcooke> Generally, if it comes with a t shirt and/or a mug - I'll back it
[11:05] <willcooke> ;)
[11:05] <didrocks> ahah
[11:06] <didrocks> TBH, I guess it's the kind of games that are really fun if you have good friends and play while chatting
[11:07] <larsu> hm, I can't alt+tab between terminals with different app ids anymore
[11:07]  * larsu wonders if Laney's wrapper landed
[11:08] <didrocks> larsu: didn't
[11:09] <larsu> hm, Trevinho then?
[11:09] <didrocks> not utterly recent unity or bamf either
[11:09] <larsu> _GTK_APPLICATION_ID is set correctly
[11:09] <larsu> weird!
[11:09] <larsu> didrocks: false alarm (I guess) - restarting all terminals makes it work again
[11:09] <larsu> probably something got confused
[11:09] <larsu> thanks didrocks
[11:21] <willcooke> power going off in a couple of mins, will reconnect via mobile, hopefully....
[11:48] <attente_> happyaron, seb128, what's the bug about the fcitx-qimpanel indicator not working under qt 5? why is the revert to qt 4 necessary?
[11:53] <ejat> hi
[11:53] <ejat> i got welcome to emergency mode after upgrade to vivid
[11:53] <ejat> what should i do ?
[11:57] <didrocks> ejat: hey, can you pastebin journalctl -b output?
[11:58] <ejat> didrocks : how to copy it .. its too long around 1603 line
[12:00] <didrocks> ejat: save it somewhere, reboot under upstart (there is a grub menu entry), and the use the pastebinit command
[12:00] <didrocks> then*
[12:08] <ejat> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10660233/
[12:09] <didrocks> ejat: Mar 23 19:57:19 macbuntu mount[281]: Error: cannot mount filesystem: No such device
[12:09] <ejat> ouch
[12:09] <didrocks> seems like there is an issue on /dev/sda1 or any other mount point you have in fstab, maybe?
[12:09]  * ejat running it on vmware
[12:10] <ejat> didrocks: my fstab
[12:10] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10660243/
[12:11] <ejat> need to check the uuid ?
[12:11] <didrocks> ejat: yeah, try this and the swap partition
[12:11] <ejat> luckily i still have upstart to i can choose at the advance
[12:11] <ejat> try what ?
[12:13] <ejat> im running blkid
[12:13] <didrocks> ejat: check for uuid, if the file system is present while you are in emergency mode
[12:13] <ejat> showing the same uuid
[12:13] <didrocks> same for swap?
[12:13] <didrocks> (when in emergency mode?)
[12:13] <didrocks> oh, actually, I wonder if this is not the cause:
[12:13] <didrocks> .host:/ /mnt/hgfs vmhgfs defaults 0 0
[12:13] <didrocks> can you try to comment it and restart under systemd?
[12:14] <ejat> ok
[12:14] <ejat> restarting ..
[12:15] <ejat> didrocks : yes .. its confirmed because of that .. thanks a lot
[12:15] <ejat> so i cant mount vmhgfs at start up ?
[12:15] <ejat> brb ..
[12:16] <didrocks> ejat: phew! ok, so seems systemd doesn't know how to parse fstab with this kind of config?
[12:18] <mlankhorst> didrocks: if I want to rebuild unity against opengl instead of gles2 on arm, what packages do i need besides nux, compiz and unity?
[12:19] <didrocks> mlankhorst: I guess that's the whole list, can't think about anything else gl-related on top of my head
[12:19] <mlankhorst> oke
[12:21] <mlankhorst> didrocks: does qt5 depend on gles2 too?
[12:22] <mlankhorst> hm probably in a harmless way
[12:25] <GunnarHj> happyaron, Laney: I think it's important to have the fcitx framework installed for all users; please see bug #1435311.
[12:25] <ubot5> bug 1435311 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "fcitx (the framework) should be seeded in desktop" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435311
[12:30] <didrocks> mlankhorst: yeah, some parts are, but not related to unity7 anyway
[12:31] <mlankhorst> ok
[12:47] <willcooke> back on mains power & internet.  3G was reliable.  Good work technology!
[12:49] <didrocks> nice!
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[13:07] <didrocks> willcooke: "south of France"… isn't it? :p
[13:13] <willcooke> :D
[13:13] <willcooke> worth a try, right?
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[13:14] <didrocks> heh indeed :)
[14:08] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv, is it known that the qtcreator recent files/projects submenus are empty with appmenu-qt5 (works fine if the theme env variable is unset to have local menus)
[14:10] <willcooke> seb128, am I really here?  Just had what I hope is an unrelated power cut
[14:10] <Mirv> seb128: I don't follow appmenu-qt5 that closely, but sounds worth filing a bug about and including SDK team into it by adding qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu to the bug packages too (even if marked Invalid later)
[14:10] <seb128> willcooke, yes you are here ;-)
[14:11] <willcooke> hrm
[14:11] <seb128> Mirv, k, thanks
[14:11] <Mirv> seb128: sil is probably the best to debug the appmenu-qt5 itself
[14:11] <willcooke> Seems a bit strange that the power should just go out for a couple of minutes right after the man left.  Strange thing is, he was only putting up wallpaper.
[14:14] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1435348
[14:14] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1435348 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "qtcreator recently used file/project submenu empty" [Undecided,New]
[14:14] <seb128> willcooke, why did he turn off power for that? he had wall plugs open?
[14:14] <willcooke> yeah exactly, had to take the sockets off the wall
[14:15] <willcooke> I expect wallpaper paste is fairly conductive :)
[14:29] <willcooke> chrisccoulson, qengho - can you tell me what version of Ffox/Cr is in V now please?
[14:29] <seb128> willcooke, cr 41.0.2272.76-0ubuntu1.1134
[14:30] <seb128> willcooke, firefox 36.0.1+build2-0ubuntu1
[14:30] <willcooke> thx seb128 - is that done via an apt-cache policy command?
[14:33] <seb128> willcooke, it could, or rmadison
[14:33] <seb128> willcooke, but it's done through firefox awesome bar
[14:33] <seb128> I've a "lpc" alias
[14:34] <seb128> "lpc $source" opens https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/$source
[14:34] <seb128> so lpc firefox opens https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox
[14:34] <willcooke> thx seb128
[14:35] <seb128> yw
[14:39] <desrt> willcooke and seb128 are back!
[14:40] <willcooke> morning desrt
[14:41] <willcooke> Are you insinuating that there's a lot of mindless chatter in the channel when I'm here? ;p
[14:41] <happyaron> seb128: that would means gedit isn't supporting XIM very well, and it's true for many applications nowadays, but it's more obvious when gedit is a text editor
[14:41] <seb128> desrt, back from where? w.e?
[14:41] <desrt> are you insinuating that i am the type to insinuate about mindless chatter? :D
[14:41] <desrt> seb128: were you not at a sprint of some kind?
[14:41] <seb128> desrt, only for 1 day
[14:41] <willcooke> Never mind that, let's talk about cats vs dogs
[14:41] <larsu> morning desrt
[14:41] <seb128> desrt, I didn't even stay for a night
[14:41] <didrocks> willcooke: weather please!
[14:42] <seb128> I did London forth and back in the day
[14:42] <larsu> desrt: clearly you're not up to the latest news, which is why someone wrote "the desktop team (and desrt)" in an email recently
[14:42] <larsu> it all makes sense now
[14:42] <willcooke> didrocks, cloudy now, sunny before.  Will probably rain later.
[14:42] <didrocks> ;)
[14:42] <happyaron> seb128: we've seeded ibus-gtk for 15.04, but don't know how to SRU to older releases.
[14:43] <desrt> larsu: i saw that email.  it makes me happy.
[14:44] <happyaron> attente_: in 2.0.0, there's submenu in the indicator, but clicking on it will lead to a crash, in 2.1.0 the submenu is removed, but I got quite some people say the indicator menu goes far too long
[14:44] <larsu> desrt: why?
[14:44] <larsu> don't you want to be a part?
[14:45] <seb128> happyaron, can we make ibus recommends it?
[14:45] <desrt> are we talking about the same email?
[14:45] <attente_> happyaron: ok, i'll look at it. right now it's crashing on start for me :(
[14:45] <larsu> dunno which one it was tbh
[14:45] <desrt> we're having a sprint
[14:45] <larsu> just remembered chuckling at that phrase
[14:45] <larsu> desrt: no, not that one
[14:46]  * desrt speeds up his rate of coffee intake
[14:47] <happyaron> seb128: ibus recommends ibus-gtk & ibus-gtk3, but don't know why people from time to time does not have it installed
[14:47] <happyaron> attente_: crash on unity7 or unity8?
[14:47] <attente_> happyaron: unity7
[14:47] <seb128> happyaron, so flavor don't install recommends to reduce disk usage I think
[14:47] <attente_> happyaron: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10661251/
[14:49] <happyaron> attente_: yep, skinMenuItemOnClick is for submenu
[14:49] <happyaron> seb128: can we update ubuntu-desktop to depend on it?
[14:49] <happyaron> will that work?
[14:50] <attente_> happyaron: is it crashing on launch for you? or only on opening the submenu?
[14:50] <happyaron> attente_: only on opening the submenu for 2.0.0, no crash for the current version
[14:50] <attente_> happyaron: i don't think this is because of the qt5 port though, right? because you uploaded that a few weeks ago
[14:50] <seb128> happyaron, I guess so, but that seems wrong
[14:51] <seb128> happyaron, what component is creating the issue with gedit, is that ibus? I guess if ibus was not installed you wouldn't need ibus-gtk to get the cursor working?
[14:51] <happyaron> attente_: did a test that with Qt4 it's not crashing though
[14:51] <willcooke> desrt, larsu I think it was in the Telegram group chatr
[14:53] <happyaron> seb128: haven't verified the bug myself, it's common to blame the UI toolkit on this kind of bugs though
[14:53] <seb128> happyaron, ubuntu-desktop seems the wrong place to fix it, we install recommends so don't have the issue, it seems users having the issue run gedit under e.g xubuntu
[14:54] <attente_> happyaron: but the upload you did 2.0.0-0ubuntu1 was the qt 5 port and that was ok until 2.1.0-0ubuntu1, no?
[14:54] <happyaron> attente_: no, 2.1.0 expanded all submenu
[14:55] <happyaron> seb128: maybe make ibus Depends on them? looks a bit brute force to me
[14:56] <seb128> happyaron, does ibus requires a frontend? in which case it should probably depends on ibus-gtk | ibus-frontend and make the different frontends provide "ibus-frontend"?
[14:57] <happyaron> seb128: it has XIM support built-in, as fallback "frontend"
[14:57] <happyaron> and we need ibus-gtk and ibus-gtk3 at the same time, or im-config will not export the env variable
[15:00] <seb128> happyaron, so the gedit issue is gedit not properly supporting XIM? can you write that on the upstream bug?
[15:00] <happyaron> seb128: upstream generally ignores bugs like this
[15:00] <seb128> well, at least they know what the issue is
[15:00] <seb128> atm they blame Ubuntu
[15:00] <happyaron> seb128: true for gnome and chromium at least
[15:00] <happyaron> OK
[15:01] <seb128> thanks
[15:01] <willcooke> attente_, be right with you, just finishing an email
[15:05] <willcooke> attente_, ok, free for our 1:1?
[15:06] <attente_> willcooke: hey, sure
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[16:19] <willcooke> larsu, is this anything we can fix?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1387163
[16:20] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1387163 in unity (Ubuntu) "'Show Desktop' on launcher crashes compiz for any Gtk-Headerbar app when using any third party Gtk(3.12/3.14) theme (Utopic/Vivid)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[16:32] <seb128> willcooke, it's rather for bregma's team, maybe Trevinho
[16:32] <bregma> Trevinho in particular
[16:32] <bregma> when he gets back from a couple days rest
[16:34] <seb128> k
[16:34] <seb128> Trevinho, enjoy ;-)
[16:35] <bregma> something something Rome something something la dolce vita something something recovery
[16:39] <willcooke> thx chaps
[16:39] <willcooke> oh
[16:39] <willcooke> that reminds me
[16:50] <Trevinho> bregma: I'm already back :)
[16:52] <seb128> Trevinho, wb ;-)
[16:52] <seb128> Trevinho, did you have fun?
[16:53] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, Ii actually just got one day off, last friday... I went to the Garda lake, for 2 days... Nice place, but weather wasn't the best... Nice stay anyway :)
[16:53] <seb128> cool
[16:54] <bregma> Trevinho, I thought you were with your girlfriend -- why would you notice the weather?
[16:55] <Trevinho> bregma: well, I was with her... And well... It counts when you also want to "stay" outside :P
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[19:09] <mlankhorst> didrocks: I've switched over compiz to opengl now, but window decorations are broken, any idea?
[19:10] <mlankhorst> or at least what provides the window decorator?
[19:11] <didrocks> mlankhorst: unity-window-decorator
[19:11] <mlankhorst> oke
[19:11] <didrocks> it's an external process (but in compiz)
[19:12] <mlankhorst> external process or thread?
[19:15] <mlankhorst> I get a ton of black for everything related to window decorations, compositing itself works fine
[19:17] <didrocks> mlankhorst: external process IIRC
[19:19] <mlankhorst> odd, don't see one running?
[19:19] <mlankhorst> it's probably internal to compiz then, I need to get some more debug info first..
[19:22] <didrocks> mlankhorst: that may have changed since they switch to appmenu inside windows
[19:22] <didrocks> in that case, it would be unity
[19:22] <didrocks> but, you can already try with compiz-window-decorator
[19:22] <didrocks> (unity-window-decorator was just a fork at the time)
[19:32] <willcooke> g'morning robert_ancell
[19:32] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hey
[19:35] <didrocks> morning robert_ancell!
[19:35] <robert_ancell> didrocks, hello!
[19:35] <mlankhorst> oke
[19:54]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night
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[20:54]  * willcooke EOD.  G'night