[00:00] <rsalveti> try to start it manually to see what happens
[00:01] <Talustus> hmm
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.576 INFO lxc_conf - lazy unmount of '/lxc_putold'
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.576 DEBUG lxc_conf - drop capability 'mac_admin' (33)
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.576 DEBUG lxc_conf - drop capability 'mac_override' (32)
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.576 DEBUG lxc_conf - capabilities have been setup
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.576 NOTICE lxc_conf - 'android' is setup.
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.577 NOTICE lxc_start - exec'ing '/init'
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.579 NOTICE lxc_start - '/init' started with pid '1613'
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.579 WARN lxc_utmp - '/proc/1613/root/var/run' not found
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.579 WARN lxc_start - invalid pid for SIGCHLD
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.668 DEBUG lxc_start - container init process exited
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.668 DEBUG lxc_start - unknown exit status for init: 4
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.668 INFO lxc_conf - running to reset 0 nic names
[00:01] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.668 INFO lxc_error - child <1613> ended on signal (4)
[00:01] <Talustus> it starts
[00:01] <Talustus> and shuts down
[00:02] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.579 NOTICE lxc_start - '/init' started with pid '1613'
[00:02] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.579 WARN lxc_utmp - '/proc/1613/root/var/run' not found
[00:02] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.579 WARN lxc_start - invalid pid for SIGCHLD
[00:02] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.668 DEBUG lxc_start - container init process exited
[00:02] <Talustus> lxc-start 4136.668 DEBUG lxc_start - unknown exit status for init: 4
[00:03] <rsalveti> yeah, wonder if you're missing some kernel configs
[00:04] <Talustus> i used a script to check the config
[00:05] <Talustus> https://github.com/Talustus/android_kernel_samsung_galaxys4/blob/kk-4.4_new/arch/arm/configs/check-config
[00:05] <Talustus> that one
[00:05] <rsalveti> Talustus: do you have /proc/config.gz?
[00:05] <Talustus> yes
[00:06] <rsalveti> want to check the options you got in there
[00:06] <rsalveti> Talustus: mind pasting that?
[00:06] <Talustus> moment pulling it down
[00:07] <Talustus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10656550/
[00:07] <Talustus> there u go
[00:09] <Talustus> its a Samsung Galaxy S2 LTE GT-I9210T msm8660 based if tahts important for u to know rsalveti
[00:11] <rsalveti> hm, seems to be all in there
[00:11] <rsalveti> lxc-start 4136.579 WARN lxc_utmp - '/proc/1613/root/var/run' not found
[00:11] <rsalveti> tjat
[00:11] <rsalveti> that's probably because it failed right after init then
[00:12] <Talustus> yeah something isnt going well in the
[00:12] <Talustus> early stage i guess
[00:12] <rsalveti> maybe trying to get the console
[00:12] <rsalveti>   -c, --console=FILE     Use specified FILE for the container console
[00:12] <rsalveti>   -L, --console-log=FILE Log container console output to FILE
[00:12] <rsalveti> yeah
[00:13] <Talustus> i have set console=tty0
[00:13] <Talustus> kernel cmdline
[00:13] <Talustus> i hope thats ok
[00:14] <rsalveti> probably, yeah
[00:15] <Talustus> lxc-start 4959.929 DEBUG lxc_conf - mounted '/var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs' on '/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lxc'
[00:15] <Talustus> lxc-start 4959.929 DEBUG lxc_conf - Set exec command to /init
[00:15] <Talustus> lxc-start 4959.929 INFO lxc_conf - created /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lxc/dev/lxc
[00:15] <Talustus> lxc-start 4959.930 INFO lxc_conf - console has been setup on lxc/console
[00:15] <Talustus> lxc-start 4959.930 INFO lxc_conf - 4 tty(s) has been setup
[00:15] <Talustus> lxc-start 4959.930 DEBUG lxc_conf - created '/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lxc/lxc_putold' directory
[00:15] <Talustus> lxc-start 4959.930 DEBUG lxc_conf - mountpoint for old rootfs is '/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lxc/lxc_putold'
[00:15] <Talustus> lxc-start 4959.930 DEBUG lxc_conf - pivot_root syscall to '/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lxc' successful
[00:15] <Talustus> and then stops again
[00:18] <Talustus> -C, --close-all-fds If any fds are inherited, close them
[00:18] <Talustus> If not specified, exit with failure instead
[00:18] <Talustus> should i try that?
[00:23] <rsalveti> not sure if it will help
[00:24] <Talustus> rsalveti -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10656659/
[00:26] <rsalveti> yeah, hard to debug that way, failing right when starting android
[00:27] <Talustus> i need to get off to sleep work is calling in few hours
[04:01] <muka> I think this is a bug. when I turn off wifi, cellular data should work, but it doesn't work automatically, unless I reboot phone.
[04:02] <muka> also I can send mms but can not receive them.
[04:03] <ahoneybun> muka: that would be a bug
[04:03] <ahoneybun> both
[04:03] <ahoneybun> mms could fall to the carrier maybe
[04:03] <muka> possible
[04:04] <muka> it there anyone that can receive mms
[04:05] <ahoneybun> muka: I sadly don't have a device to test
[04:05] <ahoneybun> test/confirm
[08:13] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/ how was your weekend? :-)
[08:25] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, very good, thanks
[08:25] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, how are the eyes?
[08:26] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, nice to hear :-) Fine, thanks! It's amazing to don't have to use lenses anymore
[08:26] <oSoMoN> it must be!
[08:27] <salih-emin> does anyone have an extensive documentation about wepapps on Ubuntu SDK ?
[08:27] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, sorry to bother you on monday morning, but I found another couple of bugs implementing the new tab view. I don't know if I'm unlucky or if this branch hasn't to land, lol
[08:27] <salih-emin> a link maybe ?
[08:28] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, first bug: we use a custom listview for bookmarks, called limitedlistview, developed by unity8's team I think: it doesn't emit a signal when the number of bookmarks change
[08:29] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, so if you have 5 bookmarks, open a new page, bookmark it, and then return to the new tab view, there isn't the button 'show more'. But there is if you open a *new* new tab
[08:29] <rpadovani> I maybe can work on this, but it will take some time
[08:30] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, yeah, I think that looking back this model may not be suited for our use case
[08:31] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, how about we leave that one aside for now, and focus on settings this week?
[08:32] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, works for me :-)
[08:32] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, I’ve already started the preliminary work, see https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/searchengine-qml/+merge/253505
[08:33] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, next up is to migrate to use Qt.labs.settings, which I’ll do this morning
[08:33] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, cool! What do you want I focus on? Something not urgent, as usual, I think I can work on it a bit tomorrow :-)
[08:34] <dholbach> good morning
[08:34] <rpadovani> (or if you prefer I can review code, I'm quite good at it, as popey can testify :D)
[08:34] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, yeah, your reviews would be very welcome
[08:35] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, what’s the state of your settings UI branch? I can do the backend work, and you take care of the UI, if that works for you?
[08:36] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, of course it works, I didn't change it in a while, I need to port it to PageStack instead of expandable listitems as it is atm
[08:36] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, so let's say I wait you land the Qt.labs.settings branch, then I update it, could work?
[08:36] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, yeah
[08:37] <rpadovani> we have a plan then, let's make it rocks!
[08:37] <oSoMoN> and let’s make it roll :)
[09:19] <Brainard52> hiya everybody.  I saw a video a little while ago with somebody showing off windowed mode.  However,  they semed to have a spreadsheet editor and other productivity paps installed.  Are these any idea on what they were specificlly:
[09:24] <Chipaca> Brainard52: I think you're talking about (part of) the convergence demo, in which case the main app you were seeing is/was openoffice
[09:27] <Brainard52> I see.  Doing a bit more reseaech yields the answer of xmir. The answer I see right now says to create a specific lightdm confession file and add [SeatDefaults] type=unity.  Does this sound correct to you?
[09:27] <Brainard52> whether or not I will be able to install an office suite after is a diferent matter...
[09:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Near Miss Day! :-D
[10:00] <dholbach> could it be that the newest vivid/devel-proposed image doesn't boot?
[10:00] <dholbach> anyone else having problems?
[10:00] <ogra_> the ojne that just landed a minute ao on the server ?
[10:01] <dholbach> I don't know when it landed
[10:01] <dholbach> I just saw the notification and installed it
[10:02] <ogra_> well, the changeset is rather small http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/144.changes
[10:02] <dholbach> I restarted and it looks to be working fine now
[10:02] <ogra_> new initrd though
[10:02] <ogra_> k
[10:02] <ogra_> lets see if other reports come in
[10:04] <dholbach> hum... I just enabled developer mode to check the logs, but 'adb devices' doesn't list it
[10:04] <dholbach> ah now it does
[10:04] <dholbach> maybe just ignore me for the next few minutes :)
[10:04] <didrocks> ogra_: any touch vivid seed change planned today? (don't want to conflict with an incoming upload from you)
[10:05] <popey>  /ignore dholbach
[10:05] <popey> oops
[10:05] <ogra_> didrocks, nothing planned, no
[10:05] <didrocks> ok ;) will keep you posted once my tests are done
[10:07] <robin-hero> Any news about when you change Ubuntu Touch to vivid base, instead of utopic?
[10:10] <ogra_> rowithin the next weeks
[10:10] <ogra_> robin-hero, ^^
[10:12] <robin-hero> ogra_: Thanks, but about how many weeks? :) "Next weeks" can means 2 or 10 weeks too :D
[10:12] <ogra_> yes
[10:12] <ogra_> :P
[10:12] <ogra_> somewhere between 2 and 10 :)
[10:12] <robin-hero> ok, I understand :)
[10:13] <ogra_> we wont switch the phones out there over to it before it is ready ...
[10:13] <ogra_> all development and QA focus is on vivd though
[10:13] <dholbach> hey davidcalle, is https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg11608.html something that could be added to the porting guide?
[10:13] <dholbach> and hi janimo :)
[10:15] <davidcalle> dholbach, oh thanks, I missed that, nice one :)
[10:20] <janimo> dholbach, hello :)
[10:23] <Tassadar> s-i server can make the tarballs itself, just use "cdimage-device" type in the file_device channel config and give it a directory structure like this http://cdimage.tasemnice.eu/
[10:38] <JamesTang> please do you know the gps （in location item of status bar ）？what is its calling process?
[10:39] <JamesTang> unity8->qt-dbus->ubuntu-location-serviced?
[10:39] <JamesTang> ??
[10:41] <ogra_> there is the trust service somewhere in the loop
[10:41] <ogra_> tvoss could tell you more, but he doesnt seem to be around atm
[10:42] <tvoss> ogra_, o/
[10:43] <ogra_> JamesTang, there is tvoss :)
[10:43] <tvoss> JamesTang, o/
[10:43] <JamesTang> 3q
[10:44] <tvoss> JamesTang, how can I help?
[10:44] <JamesTang> hi tvoss:all app invoke gps must use ubuntu-location-serviced?
[10:44] <tvoss> JamesTang, yup
[10:45] <ogra_> well, even more specific, they should use https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/QtLocation/
[10:45] <tvoss> JamesTang, under the assumption you are using Qt/QML, please rely on QtLocation to get the job done
[10:45]  * ogra_ doesnt think apparmor will allow any other access to location 
[10:45] <tvoss> ogra_, apparmor does not know about qt or qml
[10:46] <ogra_> ah, so you could driectly talk to the service ?
[10:46] <ogra_> i thought confinement will block that
[10:46] <tvoss> JamesTang, if you are not using Qt/QML, you can use http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/platform-api/trunk/files/head:/include/ubuntu/application/location/
[10:46] <tvoss> ogra_, sure, confinement can only operate on a dbus level, it does not know anything about the toolkit (on purpose)
[10:47] <ogra_> ah, cool
[10:47] <tvoss> JamesTang, does that answer your question?
[10:57] <JamesTang> Hi, could I know more about ubuntu-location-serviced?
[10:57] <ogra_> JamesTang, didnt you see the answers above ?
[10:59] <JamesTang> yes, about QTLocation
[10:59] <tvoss> JamesTang, so what do you want to know?
[10:59] <JamesTang> but I want to write a app not QTUI
 JamesTang, if you are not using Qt/QML, you can use http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/platform-api/trunk/files/head:/include/ubuntu/application/location/
[11:00] <JamesTang> I want to call ubuntu-location-serviced
[11:00] <JamesTang> directly
[11:00] <ogra_> seems you missed that line
[11:00] <ogra_> :)
[11:00] <tvoss> JamesTang, the platform api offers you a low-level c api to access the location service
[11:01] <tvoss> JamesTang, this example should get you started: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/platform-api/trunk/view/head:/examples/test_location_api.cpp
[11:02] <JamesTang> thks very much
[11:04] <tvoss> JamesTang, sure, let me know if you need any further help
[11:08] <JamesTang> ok,thanks
[11:20] <leousa> hey all, I've been using the Bq phone for 3 days and want to know how to properly report the bugs i've encoutered so far
[11:22] <bjoern__> ### Anyone interested in WHATSAPP for UbuntuTouch ????    https://github.com/loqui/im/issues/660 ###
[11:23] <rpadovani> bjoern__, we have telegram that's so much better :-)
[11:24] <bjoern__> @rpadovani: Especially the not working notifications...
[11:24] <bjoern__> And thats not the point... My phone is able to start multiple messengers
[11:25] <bjoern__> So why I shouldn't use WhatsApp, too ?
[11:25] <bjoern__> Telegram is better ? How you send emoticons ?
[11:25] <rpadovani> bjoern__, I see your point, indeed :-) But notification and emoticons works fine here
[11:26] <bjoern__> Could you please tell me, how to get notifications working ?
[11:26] <bjoern__> (I am logged in with my UbuntuOne account)
[11:26] <rpadovani> karni, could you help bjoern__?
[11:26] <bjoern__> Which phone do you use ??
[11:26] <bjoern__> (Mine:  BQ Aquaris)
[11:27] <rpadovani> bjoern__, works both on nexus 4 and bq aquaris
[11:27] <bjoern__> Hmmm...
[11:27]  * karni reads
[11:27] <bjoern__> We are 3 people with Aquaris and no device gets the notification sounds working....  :-(
[11:28] <rpadovani> bjoern__, for the emoticons you have to go to settings -> keyboard -> available keyboards (or similar, I don't have english on the phone) -> emojis
[11:28] <karni> bjoern__: rpadovani: lack of sound during notifications is a known issue on BQ phones with RTM :/
[11:28] <rpadovani> bjoern__, oh, you was talking about sounds
[11:28] <karni> bjoern__: It does vibrate at least, correct?
[11:28] <rpadovani> I thought about notifications at all
[11:29] <bjoern__> Yes... phone vibrates.. but no sound... I have tried different sounds from the library
[11:29] <karni> joc_: Do you you know where the bug regarding lack of sound in notifications has been moved to?
[11:30] <karni> bjoern__: How did you try different sounds? The app doesn't have a way to change notification sound.
[11:31] <bjoern__> I have changed notification sounds in system settings
[11:32] <bjoern__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1435051
[11:35] <karni> bjoern__: thanks, there's actually long standing bug on this issue :(
[11:37] <karni> can't find it now, but thanks for bringing it up bjoern__ .
[11:39] <karni> bjoern__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1413818
[11:40] <bjoern__> Hi Karni: Thanks a lot... but I have tried Positive.ogg and Mallett.ogg... not working for me
[11:42] <karni> bjoern__: please do leave that feedback on that bug report (including this, if you can: system-image-cli --info )
[11:43] <bjoern__> Ok, I will do so...
[11:46] <ogra_> wow, gross ...
[11:47] <bjoern__> @ karni: done
[11:48] <karni> bjoern__: cheers
[12:09] <jgdx> omg
[12:09] <jgdx> I found my bq open sim slot thing
[12:12] <davmor2> jgdx: hahaha
[12:16] <dadexix86> jgdx, ahahah
[12:17] <jgdx> you've been a wonderful audience, good night!
[12:17] <jgdx> but seriousely, it opens the mako slot as well
[12:18] <ogra_> unbelivable !
[12:18] <ogra_> so multifunction !!
[12:18] <davmor2> jgdx: yes it's like magic, it'll probably open a laptop cdrom too
[12:18] <jgdx> and my car
[12:19] <davmor2> jgdx: might not be long enough for that
[12:51] <brunch875> arrghh first time I take the phone outside
[12:51] <brunch875> sometimes loses phone network
[12:51] <brunch875> bad bug :(
[12:53] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, ping
[13:02] <brunch875> internet won't work grrr
[13:04] <dadexix86> brunch875, I have no problems on that side, both on 3G and 2G and with both sims, are you sure it's not a net problem?
[13:04] <brunch875> hmmm it COULD be
[13:04] <brunch875> I recently contacted my provider to change line
[13:04] <brunch875> but it seems... bizarre
[13:05] <brunch875> now I get phone
[13:05] <brunch875> but no 3g
[13:06]  * brunch875 brbs
[13:12] <jgdx> dadexix86, you are able to switch 3g from one sim to the other?
[13:13] <dadexix86> jgdx, yes, it is enough to select the 3G on the second one and the first one goes automatically to 2G
[13:13] <dadexix86> but I cannot try the net on the second one because it's a foreigner one
[13:15] <jgdx> dadexix86, okay, thanks!
[13:24] <brunch875> I just rebooted the phone, which solved the problem :/
[13:24] <brunch875> might be a bug, might be on provider's fault
[13:24] <ogra_> file it if you see it again
[13:25] <brunch875> I know a friend in college which also got the same phone
[13:25] <brunch875> I'll ask him if he uses the same operator
[13:25] <brunch875> and whether he has the same problem or not
[13:25] <brunch875> but as long as I suspect it might be the provider's fault, I'll avoid filing bugs
[13:27] <ogra_> well, even if it is, there is perhaps a way on our side to compensate it, yu never know :)
[13:27] <brunch875> internet gone again!
[13:27] <brunch875> rebooting...
[13:29] <brunch875> solved
[13:29] <brunch875> weird!
[13:30] <brunch875> oh, another thing
[13:31] <brunch875> Tunneled TLS isn't implemented, is it?
[13:32] <ogra_> nope
[13:34] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I've been talking to some people using windows phones, and when someone spams them with text, the phone freezes and slows down and requires a reboot, does anyone know if Ubuntu he this problem?
[13:34] <brunch875> define spam
[13:34] <brunch875> like two per second?
[13:35]  * ogra_ definitely had no probs on the weekend when getting like 300 telegram messages in one group 
[13:35] <ChloeWolfieGirl> well a good few messages quickly,
[13:35] <brunch875> I assume you mean via SMS
[13:35] <ogra_> (rarely more than 20 in one chunk thouh)
[13:35] <brunch875> telegram goes well
[13:36] <ChloeWolfieGirl> yeah through SMS, I don't know if sending via SMS or telegram makes a difference but I'm glad telegram won't suffer from this
[13:36] <brunch875> I'm not losing internet anymore
[13:37] <brunch875> I think it was a punctual provider issue
[13:37] <brunch875> I remember sometimes having this problem on android too
[13:39] <ChloeWolfieGirl> ii don't tend to get a lot of texts in a row, but I know that sometimes I will get 5 or so texts in a roa , J
[13:41] <ChloeWolfieGirl> and some of my friends are like 15 so I expect spam from them at somepoint, so I was just wondering if this is something I'd actually need to be worried by on Ubuntu
[13:42] <Talustus> i guess they get removed if they start to spam and troll :)
[13:42] <Talustus> not sure thought
[13:44] <diwic> sounds a like testcase :-)
[13:44] <diwic> measuring if performance goes down when many SMSes are received quickly
[13:44] <ChloeWolfieGirl> via SMS so they won't be removed, I've just been worrying about if spam would be a major issue and slow down the os and make me turn my phone off and on like my friends windows phone xD. turn from a minor annoyance into a major one
[13:46] <ChloeWolfieGirl> yeah when the OPO has Ubuntu with text, If any of my friends have unlimited text, I'd record a test of how well it works!
[13:47] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl: i've not had any issues with that so far i don't think, but it's just software and hardware. there's always a chance something could go arbitrarily wrong
[13:47] <bjoern__> @ brunch857:   WhatsApp on UbuntuTouch --->  https://github.com/loqui/im/issues/660
[13:47] <bjoern__> 875
[13:49] <chloewolfiegirl> sorry had to refresh the page, it kept jumping to the top of the page ((hope it's fixed now))
[13:51] <brunch875> bjoern_, you're the boss
[13:53] <brunch875> I think the first app I'll develop will be an irc client
[13:53] <brunch875> I have some code in C I can recycle
[13:54]  * chloewolfiegirl is using web version of irc, a native app would be greatly appreciated xD
[13:56] <dobey> brunch875: app lifecycle will make that a not particularly fun endeavor
[13:57] <brunch875> but it's possible, right? I mean... telegram works.
[13:57] <dobey> better would be a native client for something like irc cloud, if you really want irc on the phone. or perhaps a decent interface for IRC, and getting the IRC support for telepathy enabled by default on the phone images
[13:57] <popey> telegram isnt realtime
[13:58] <dobey> brunch875: possible yes, but it will lose connection every time the app goes to the background (or screen locks)
[13:58] <dobey> and yeah, telegram is not always-connected, and they've implemented push notifications on the server
[14:00] <brunch875> you mean the ubuntu server is connected and then sends the push notifications? I'm not really getting this quite right...
[14:01] <dobey> no, telegram's server sends push notifications
[14:01] <chloewolfiegirl> couldn't he use the same thing that keeps it so even if you're not on the music app still let's you play music?
[14:02] <ahayzen> chloewolfiegirl, we have a lifecycle exception, no other 'normal' app can do that ;) ...and we'll hopefully be removing it soon in the music-app
[14:02] <brunch875> ... is that really a good thing?
[14:04] <popey> brunch875: yes :)
[14:04] <brunch875> I'm sure it helps with performance and battery life. But I love listening to music whilst browsing the internet
[14:05] <ahayzen> brunch875, you'll still be able to listen to music ;) just the platform itself will play the tracks for us...so then the app can be suspended :)
[14:05] <brunch875> oooh...
[14:05] <dobey> chloewolfiegirl: yes. work with the core devs to get the IRC back-end for telepathy installed and usable by default on the phone, and just provide a decent UI in an app to use it.
[14:06] <brunch875> any alternatives to run on the background stuff?
[14:06] <dobey> no
[14:06] <ogra_> only system services are allowed to run in bg
[14:07] <ogra_> works well if your apps makes use of them :) doesnt work so well for stuff we dont offer any bg services for
[14:08] <ogra_> you can indeed at any time build your own stuff and install it in your $HOME ... but that will only work for hackers and not for store apps
[14:08] <dobey> yeah, i wish we had a more complete solution for that in place
[14:09] <ogra_> we should at least have some howtos how to install stuff in your home dir so people dont always make their phones writable
[14:11] <jdstrand> mardy: re apparmor rule to read its own desktop file-- no. that said, it should be able to read the one in the install directory of the click already
[14:12] <jdstrand> mardy: sorry, that probably needs more context. 'no, I'm not against the app reading its own desktop file'
[14:12] <bjoern__> @ brunch875: Why we do not ask the LOQUI developers to add irc protocol ???
[14:13] <brunch875> but their whatsapp is a web service, isn't it?
[14:13] <brunch875> web app*
[14:13] <charles> jfunk, ping
[14:14] <brunch875> I've just shown the phone to my teacher
[14:14] <popey> brunch875: not really - you have to have a phone on too, nearby, for it to work
[14:15] <ogra_> popey, nearby ?
[14:15] <ogra_> i thought you can just leave it on your desktop at home :)
[14:15] <brunch875> he was outraged when I told him things packages won't be installed with apt-get
[14:15] <ChloeWolfieGirl> brunch875 I don't understand whatsapp, if you go onto whatsapps web version, it uses your phone, so if your phone dies your connection onyour computer does to!...
[14:15] <popey> ogra_: on the same network i thought
[14:16] <ogra_> ah, i thought you just get a QR code and after signed in you are fine
[14:16] <ogra_> not that i ever used whatsapp :)
[14:16] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I used whatsapp reluctantly
[14:16] <brunch875> which makes me wonder... will ubuntu ditch the apt-get packaging system? Ubuntu desktop is going to use click packages too?
[14:16] <popey> i only used whatsapp to tell my wife i left a message for her on telegram :)
[14:17] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey beautiful!
[14:17] <ogra_> brunch875, the phones (and desktop) will likely switch to snappy at some point
[14:17] <ogra_> which doesnt use/ship apt
[14:17] <brunch875> snappy?
[14:17] <brunch875> that ubuntu core stuff?
[14:17] <ogra_> yeah
[14:17] <mardy> jdstrand: thanks, that's a good answer anyways :-)
[14:18] <brunch875> isn't that going to bring problems with debian packages?
[14:19] <ogra_> what kind of problems ?
[14:19] <ogra_> debian packages are simply only used to build stuff, they are not supported in snappy
[14:19] <dobey> i think you mean "what debian packages?"
[14:19] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I thought that we wherent giving up .deb's in the desktop?
[14:19] <dobey> :)
[14:19] <brunch875> I mean, even if ubuntu changes the way of installing things, new stuff coming to debian will still use /usr/share
[14:20] <brunch875> yeah, the .debs; that's what I meant
[14:20] <ogra_> not in snappy ...
[14:20] <ogra_> like you dont use debs in the ubuntu phone
[14:20] <ogra_> snappy (and snap packages)  is simply the next evolutionary step of the phone OS (and click packages)
[14:21] <brunch875> what about the desktop, though?
[14:21] <brunch875> I thought the aim was to converge everything to the same OS
[14:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl> if Firefox, libreoffice, steam etc would work perfectly with snappy and .click then I can see giving up on .deb but if they don't work perfectly with .click then I don't think we can.
[14:21] <ogra_> same thing ... there will be tools to enable you to include deb binary stuff inside your snap package
[14:21] <ogra_> brunch875, richt, that is exactly the aim
[14:22] <ogra_> *right even
[14:22] <ChloeWolfieGirl> how would downloading games on steam work in a .click / .snappy desktop?
[14:22] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl: steam doesn't even really use .debs anyway
[14:22] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl: the same as it works now
[14:22] <brunch875> steam initially installed in home if I remember correctly
[14:23] <ogra_> yeah, snap package (like click packages) dont install in home
[14:23] <dobey> steam still does
[14:23] <brunch875> I saw click packages in /opt
[14:23] <dobey> in ~/.local/share/Steam/
[14:23] <brunch875> no more /usr/share /usr/local then? :p
[14:23] <dobey> the steam .deb packages is just an installer
[14:23] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I can't wait to see things work in .click packages, if they do work seamlessly then its going to be amazing in my po, its just the worry if it doesn't
[14:24] <ChloeWolfieGirl> *if they don't
[14:24] <dobey> the main issue with most traditional apps, is they aren't designed for touch interfaces
[14:24] <ChloeWolfieGirl> and who's saying that libre office, krita etc will package a .click package?
[14:25] <ogra_> brunch875, wouldnt make any sense in the click/snap model ... since the package can not talk to the other packages anyway
[14:25] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl: it doesn't matter if they do or not, the same as they don't build the current packages that are in debian or ubuntu
[14:26] <ogra_> you only have a few limited dirs the app can use
[14:26] <ChloeWolfieGirl> dobey they don't?
[14:26] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl: someone else can build them
[14:26] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl: no. mozilla doesn't build the packages either. we do
[14:26] <ChloeWolfieGirl> til
[14:27] <ogra_> well, click and snap enables upstreams to provide packages more easily
[14:27] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I knew that Mozilla made Firefox. I thought they made a .deb and then canonical takes the
[14:27] <dobey> nope
[14:27] <ogra_> if you as mozilla wnat to provide an official deb for ubuntu you need to be an ubuntu developer with upload rights to the archive
[14:27] <ChloeWolfieGirl> .deb and then canonical did some unity integration with it, then pushed it out
[14:27] <ogra_> with click packages you dont need to
[14:27] <dobey> ogra_: right. the namespacing also means that multiple people might provide the same app in a package, and they won't conflict
[14:27] <ogra_> right
[14:27] <brunch875> namespacing is a great thing
[14:28] <ogra_> i can provide my own hacked up firefox with $cool_feature enabled
[14:29] <ogra_> for the desktop you can be sure that the most important bits will indeed be availble as snap packages once the snappy switch happens
[14:29] <dobey> ogra_: well, aside from the trademark issue it will present if you do, sure :)
[14:29] <ogra_> i would just call it icewombat :P
[14:29] <dobey> spacegoat
[14:30] <ChloeWolfieGirl> windbuiscuit
[14:30] <ogra_> i think ice* is mandatory :P
[14:30] <studio_> hi
[14:30] <brunch875> hello
[14:30] <dobey> i think whoever came up with ice* didn't understand the true opposite of fire :)
[14:31] <ChloeWolfieGirl> waterfox, vaporeon xD
[14:31] <dobey> sigh
[14:31] <dobey> just how to be cheeky
[14:31] <brunch875> firefox, flareon xD
[14:32] <ogra_> dobey, or was simply a GOT fan
[14:32] <ChloeWolfieGirl> brunch875 xD
[14:32] <dobey> winter already came and gone
[14:33] <brunch875> can't click packages interact with each other?
[14:33] <dobey> brunch875: no
[14:33] <ogra_> nope
[14:33] <brunch875> that's some heavy isolation
[14:33] <dobey> well, not exactly
[14:33] <brunch875> I'm thinking of stuff like postrgres or apache
[14:33] <dobey> one can use files from another via content-hub for example
[14:33] <ogra_> yeah, not exactly :)
[14:33] <studio_> what about bluetooth and ubuntu touch?, i was able to send files to the phone (/tmp) but i was not able to sync contacts, share files from the phone or stream music.
[14:33] <ogra_> you can talk to each other through system services
[14:33] <ChloeWolfieGirl> addons and extentions
[14:34] <brunch875> is there a name for that architecture so I can study it?
[14:34] <ogra_> studio_, playing music via BT to a speaker definitely works here
[14:34] <studio_> aha
[14:34] <dobey> studio_: available BT profiles support is very limited right now
[14:35] <ogra_> right, completely focused on audio playback, headsets etc
[14:35] <ogra_> i think in vivid some input methods should work too (kbd mouse)
[14:36] <studio_> i tried the sync-tool on my ubuntu desktop to sync contacts, but it was not working. ist it working for you?
[14:36] <dobey> contacts sync is not supported yet no
[14:36] <studio_> ok
[14:36] <dobey> not over usb nor bluetooth
[14:37] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I'd love to not depend on Google for contact syncing
[14:38] <studio_> dobey, why /tmp is the default folder for sending files to the phone?
[14:39] <dobey> 10:32 < dobey> studio_: available BT profiles support is very limited right now
[14:39] <dobey> ie, OBEX is not supported yet afaik
[14:39] <studio_> i understood, but can i change the folder?
[14:40] <dobey> sure. fix obex support to expose things in the same way that mtp does
[14:41] <studio_> hmmm ... :(
[14:42] <brunch875> is there anywhere I can read more about the transition to click-packages and how services will work?
[14:43] <ogra_> i think rsalveti recently added some obex bits in vivid ... but not sure they fully work yet
[14:43] <ogra_> might just have been the packages without any config
[14:46] <studio_> btw. this is i think outdated: http://askubuntu.com/questions/425315/ubuntu-touch-how-do-i-import-vcf-contacts it was not working, but "syncevolution --import /path/to/file/allcontacts.vcf backend=evolution-contacts database=system-address-book" was working :)
[14:47] <ogra_> studio_, adda comment then :)
[14:47] <ogra_> so other people know about that
[14:48] <studio_> my english is not so good :(
[14:49] <ogra_> it was good enough for the sentence above :)
[14:49] <studio_> :)
[14:49] <ogra_> and you dont really need more than this sentence ;)
[14:50] <ChloeWolfieGirl2> oh get a room you two ;P xD
[14:50] <ogra_> lol
[14:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl2> has anyone properly looked at user customisation? I know that its heavily customisable for people with technique skills, but does anyone know what kind of customisable things we'd see in store and how…
[14:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl2> … much the user could change the GUI?
[14:54] <rsalveti> ogra_: for the contact sync with your carkit it uses obex
[14:54] <rsalveti> we just don't yet support transferring files via obex, but because we don't have an interface for it
[14:54] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: pong
[14:56] <ogra_> rsalveti, right, thats what i thought
[14:56]  * genii adds "Sync contacts to Ubuntu One to his wishlist"
[14:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl2> genii: +1
[14:57] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, How audio chip in Bq Aquaris 4.5 knows which modem is active? It's dual-sim phone, right?
[14:58] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: yup, it knows internally, all you need to do from the audio hal perspective is enable the audio mode modem
[15:01] <ogra_> genii, send patches too !!!
[15:02] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, My phone is also a dual-sim too. From how rild calls AudioFlinger, I guess it's how to tell which modem is calling.
[15:03] <peat-psuwit> It calls "setParameter" with keys "vsid" and "call_state".
[15:04] <peat-psuwit> And from my research, "visd" seems to be different when I use 2nd slot.
[15:14] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl2: i expect there won't be too much in the way of general customization like themes or such. apps will be designed by the authors, and will specify their own colors or such if need to. likewise, scopes can spefiy the header color and a custom logo iamge to use.
[15:20] <genii> ogra_ , ChloeWolfieGirl2 Bah, doesn't look like Ubuntu One would be an option. http://blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/
[15:21] <brunch875> that's just the 'dropbox' thingie
[15:21] <brunch875> Ubuntu One is still running
[15:21] <genii> Hm
[15:21] <ogra_> genii, only the file service .. you can stil (and will always be able to)  use the DB backend
[15:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl2> dobey I imagine not a lot to begin with, but I think there needs to be some customisability/themeing for people, even if its just font, indecator icons, or how the indecator menus looks when pulled do…
[15:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl2> …wn, etc
[15:22] <ChloeWolfieGirl2> genii Ubuntu one is how Ubuntu tells what apps are bought from the software center so I imagine that contacts will be synced via Ubuntu one at somepoint
[15:27] <dobey> eh, i wish we could move away from the whole concept of "sync"
[15:28] <ChloeWolfieGirl> dobey why?
[15:28] <dobey> because sync is never what i want. i don't want all my contacts everywhere (which is what sync is). what i want, is to access all the services where i have different contacts, in the same consistent UI/manner, but keep them as separate services.
[15:31] <ChloeWolfieGirl> dobey so you want them not to be locally, but you want them to act like they're local?
[15:31] <dobey> no
[15:31] <dobey> a local cache is fine
[15:32] <ogra_> so you *are* syncing again :)
[15:32] <dobey> what i want is that if i add a contact on my phone, i don't want it to magically appear in google, or linkedin, facebook, etc…
[15:32] <dobey> no
[15:32] <dobey> a cache is not a sync
[15:32] <ogra_> just less persistent
[15:32] <brunch875> I like sync. I loved how I could import my google contacts in utouch
[15:33] <dobey> what i want is the contacts system on webos :)
[15:33] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Magically appear in google, linkedin or facebook?
[15:33] <studio_> dobey, +1 :)
[15:33] <dobey> anyway i really need to go get lunch
[15:33] <brunch875> late!
[15:35] <melvster> does chrome / chromium work with ubuntu touch?
[15:35] <ogra_> well, the browser uses the same engine
[15:35] <mcphail> I'd like a "yellow pages" automatically sync'ed to my phone. Ideal for finding a late night taxi/kebab shop without having to have internet access. I'm sure there's a business opportunity there
[15:35] <melvster> oh good
[15:35] <ogra_> but no, chrome/chrmium are Xorg apps
[15:36] <ogra_> so you cant just use them directly
[15:36] <ogra_> (like you cant use firefox)
[15:36] <melvster> ogra_: thanks, maybe some time in the future, tho ... having issues getting client side certs to work in the stock browser
[15:36] <ogra_> melvster, oh, let dbarth_ and oSoMoN know
[15:37] <ogra_> (by filing a bug perhaps)
[15:37] <melvster> oh thanks ... will do!
[15:38] <oSoMoN> melvster, https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+filebug
[15:38] <melvster> oSoMoN: thank you!
[15:40] <brunch875> www.xkcd.com doesn't load too well on the web browser
[15:40] <mcphail> brunch875: what about the mobile version?
[15:40] <brunch875> I've noticed some webs getting cropped
[15:41] <brunch875> the mobile version works well
[15:47] <brunch875> but some desktop web pages get cropped and that's not good
[15:50] <AskUbuntu> BQ Ubuntu Phone - How do I set media to save on a Micro SD storage card? | http://askubuntu.com/q/600260
[15:50] <studio_> hmm, i think there is a big bug in the video player
[15:50] <ogra_> depends on your definition of "big" :)
[15:51] <studio_> the video play only can handle videos via event, and it makes temp files, but it kan't play direct from for exp. usb-stick
[15:53] <ogra_> as long as it is in the Videos dir on the USB stick this should work
[15:53] <studio_> no
[15:53] <ogra_> how do you start the playback ?
[15:53] <ogra_> from filemanager, scope ... different app ?
[15:54] <studio_> fileexplorer, usb-stick, video. direct video-player is not possible
[15:55] <ogra_> and the usb stick was formatted using the app on the phone ?
[15:55] <studio_> no, ist is just fat32
[15:59] <ogra_> studio_, works fine here ... if i record a video with the camera set to sd it shows up under the right dir in Videos on the SD ... going there with the file manager offers me to open gallery, if i tap on the video there it plays it in mediaplayer
[16:00] <ogra_> does the same video work for you from the internal Video dir (if you copy it using MTP)
[16:01] <studio_> wait, will try ...
[16:01] <ogra_> perhaps your video uses a codec the phone cant handle
[16:04] <studio_> error unmount device is busy ...
[16:05] <studio_> :(
[16:13] <studio_> it "seems", that the video only can be played via galerie and not direct via video-player. also playing the video via galerie means it will be stored/"copied" to "local" on /Videos, that makes no sense!!!
[16:14] <ogra_> no, it shouldnt be copied anywhere ... gallery is well able to play from the SD
[16:15] <ogra_> jhodapp, are we missing a content-hub hook for the media player ^^^
[16:15] <studio_> after unmounting my usb-stick i have these videos on my device in /Videos!
[16:15] <jhodapp> ogra_, no idea, ask bfiller's team
[16:15] <ogra_> so you dont need to take the detour via gallery
[16:15] <ogra_> that seems like an extra step we could avoid
[16:15] <jhodapp> ogra_, should be there, I just don't know the specifics myself
[16:17] <ogra_> studio_, yeah, i see the same, please file a bug against gallery app, it definitely copies the videos around
[16:17] <studio_> ogra_, i didn't tried SD-Card, i used an USB-Stick
[16:18] <ogra_> well, even thouh we dont support it, gallery shouldnt copy the external videos to the internal videos folder
[16:18] <ogra_> no matter if you use a usb stick or Sd
[16:20] <mcphail> noobUser: /me 's wife has phoned to say there has been a UPS parcel delivery...
[16:20] <studio_> ogra_, beleve me, i tried 3 times, and you are wrong!
[16:21] <studio_> do you need screenshots?
[16:23] <studio_> movies are allways copied from the usb-stick to the phone into /Videos
[16:26] <ogra_> studio_, thats what i just said
 studio_, yeah, i see the same, please file a bug against gallery app, it definitely copies the videos around
[16:27] <studio_> but why "gallery app" isn't it a problem from the video-player?
[16:27] <ogra_> no
[16:27] <studio_> ?
[16:27] <ogra_> the player is dumb
[16:27] <ogra_> it cant copy anything
[16:27] <ogra_> gallery is the evil bit here
[16:27] <studio_> so the video-player isn't working "direct"
[16:28] <ogra_> it is
[16:28] <studio_> no, it needs a buffer
[16:28] <ogra_> you can run it from commandline if you dont belive me :)
[16:28] <ogra_> mediaplayer-app ~/Videos/my_video.mp4 --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/mediaplayer-app.desktop
[16:28] <ogra_> that will just play the video
[16:29] <studio_> ok, need to enable ssh again to try that ... :)
[16:30] <ogra_> or use adb :)
[16:30] <Isotop7> Hello! Im trying to port ubuntu touch for my galaxy s4 jfltexx. When i run make it fails with an error saying that the file esd.h is not found. How can i fix this? esd.h seems to be accessible in the prebuilts path...
[16:32] <Isotop7> the error is located in external/qemu/audio/esdaudio.c
[16:32] <ogra_> sound like stuff you can just disable
[16:33] <studio_> ogra_, adb with otg?
[16:33] <ogra_> otg ?
[16:33] <Isotop7> okay...but where can i do this? it isnt defined in the main makefiles...
[16:33] <studio_> ogra_, how do u use an usb-stick without otg?
[16:34] <ogra_> studio_, so you hacked your kernel ?
[16:34] <studio_> no
[16:35] <studio_> ogra_, how to us otg and adb in the same way?
[16:35] <ogra_> well, you cant, physically indeed
[16:35] <studio_> :)
[16:36] <studio_> therefore i need ssh
[16:36] <Isotop7> nevermind....found it, hopefully :D
[16:40] <Isotop7> is there any limitation in devices which rootstock-ng supports?
[16:41] <Isotop7> it needs fastboot, am i right?
[16:41] <ogra_> it needs fastboot and a working recovery with adb
[16:44] <Isotop7> oh...thats a showstopper :D
[16:44] <Isotop7> and how do get an image to the device without fastboot?
[16:44] <ogra_> doesnt samsung have another tool ... haskell or so ?
[16:45] <ogra_> err
[16:45] <ogra_> some nordic name ...
[16:45] <ogra_> with h
[16:45] <brunch875> husky!
[16:45] <brunch875> huskies come from the north, don't they?
[16:45] <Isotop7> heimdall?
[16:45] <ogra_> yeah
[16:46] <Isotop7> oh okay...then im able to flash the system.img?
[16:46] <ogra_> you would use that to flash boot.img and recovery.img
[16:46] <Isotop7> oh okay...thanks :)
[16:46] <ogra_> then boot into recovery and use rootstock for the rest
[16:46] <Isotop7> is the recovery also built when im using the porting guide?
[16:47] <ogra_> it should, yeah
[16:47] <ogra_> you should get an recovery.img file
[16:47] <Isotop7> okay...
[16:48] <dobey> i thought heimdall was a kerberos implementation
[16:48] <ogra_> that too
[16:48] <Isotop7> i have a message saying 'no private recovery resources'...should i be worried? :D
[17:02] <studio_> ogra_, how groovy, video format not supported, but still playing with mpga-audio: mediaplayer-app /media/phablet/DFB6-AFF9/Videos/bbb_sunflower_1080p_30fps_normal.mp4 --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/mediaplayer-app.desktop
[17:02] <studio_> thumps up :)
[17:02] <ogra_> flowers go to jhodapp :)
[17:04] <jhodapp> studio_, that's a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1417950
[17:05] <studio_> jhodapp, but i still can't change to ac3 ;)
[17:05] <jhodapp> studio_, yep :)
[17:06] <studio_> so the "gallery app" is the problem ...
[17:07] <ogra_> as i said :)
[17:07] <studio_> yupp, thanks :)
[17:11] <Isotop7> what do i ned in order to run 'make otapackage'? is there any documentation?
[17:11] <studio_> ogra_, but why the video-player app "needs" the "gallery app"?
[17:11] <ogra_> studio_, that is what i was asking before ... ask bfiller :)
[17:12] <ogra_> i personally think there should eb a mediaplayer-app entry in the content-hub (the place you select which app to use with a file)
[17:12] <studio_> +1
[17:12] <xhoch3> hey, anyone here who managed to write Ubuntu apps with qmake?
[17:12] <xhoch3> Ubuntu Touch I mean
[17:13] <bfiller> ogra_, studio_ : sorry reading scrollback, what is the question exactly?
[17:14] <ogra_> bfiller, two things ...
[17:14] <ogra_> bfiller, 1) why does mediaplayer-app not have a content-hub hook (you need to open a video in the gallery first all the time)
[17:14] <dobey> xhoch3: #ubuntu-app-devel but just ask your question, don't ask to ask
[17:15] <ogra_> bfiller, 2) gagllery-app forcefully copies videos i open from the SD card Videos folder into the internal ~/Videos folder before playing them
[17:15] <ogra_> 2) kind of defeats the purpose of using an SD at all :)
[17:17] <bfiller> ogra_: 1) that was a design decision as media player is not a "library". if we allowed that you'd have no way of finding the video once you closed it so the logic was show it in gallery as that is a library that allows you view videos
[17:17] <bfiller> ogra_: 2) forcefully copies in what use case?
[17:18] <bfiller> ogra_: if it's doing that it's surely a bug, wasn't the intent
[17:18] <ogra_> bfiller, i use the camera and set it to "store on SD" ... take a video and see it appear in the subfolder on the SD card
[17:18] <ogra_> then i open the file manager, navigate to the video on the SD and tap it
[17:19] <ogra_> content hub offers me gallery ...
[17:19] <bfiller> ogra_: right
[17:19] <ogra_> i open it and see the video appear in gallery ... at the same time i see the video also appear in ~/Videos
[17:19] <bfiller> ogra_: so that is a bug with file manager actually
[17:19] <bfiller> ogra_: it shouldnt' be requesting content-hub to transfer that file
[17:20] <ogra_> but file manager was used before gallery
[17:20] <bfiller> ogra_: it should simply be issuing a url-dispatcher result
[17:20] <bfiller> ogra_: to open it, as it lives in a knows location on the system
[17:20] <ogra_> i only see it copy the file when i play
[17:20] <studio_> why filemanager? shoult i try bq image without filemanager? i think it will be the same problem ...
[17:21] <bfiller> ogra_: by definition content-hub will copy it into the destination directory on transfer (~/Videos)
[17:21] <ogra_> well, with that theorey it shouldnt copy when you open it from the videop scope
[17:21] <bfiller> as that what is being requested
[17:21] <ogra_> thats quite gross
[17:21] <bfiller> ogra_: file manager should simply be doing media://<path> request to url-dispatcher
[17:22] <ogra_> i assume people will actually put the big movies onto the SD :)
[17:22] <bfiller> then no copying would take place
[17:22] <bfiller> if you ask content-hub to tranfer it that is an import operation
[17:22] <ogra_> i wouldnt want a 4GB blockbuster being copied to my home just to watch it :)
[17:22] <bfiller> and a copy does take place
[17:22] <bfiller> ogra_: it shouldn't be
[17:22] <ogra_> right, ok
[17:22] <bfiller> ogra_: don't use file manager and it won't
[17:22] <ogra_> filemanager bug then
[17:22] <bfiller> ogra_: play it back from within camera
[17:23] <ogra_> well, that wont involve any external app :)
[17:23] <ogra_> but i see what you mean
[17:24] <bfiller> ogra_: yeah, so I think for filemanager if the file is of a know content type and in a system accessible directory then it just needs to use url-dispatcher rather than content-hub
[17:24] <ogra_> yeah
[17:24] <studio_> hmm, this is not funny, with ubuntu-touch, without additional apps, i got only 4.5 gb free disk space
[17:24] <ogra_> confirmed, works fine from the video scope
[17:25] <bfiller> ogra_: and gallery will traverse your sd card for videos and pictures and display them, and will play them back without copying them
[17:25] <ogra_> right
[17:25] <bfiller> I believe the video scope will as well, but not sure
[17:28] <ogra_> well, video scope definitely works fine here
[17:28] <ogra_> (and i never use gallery, i totally prefer the camera roll ... so much more beautiful)
[17:29] <ogra_> (and a lot faster too)
[17:29] <dobey> studio_: sounds like your phone is using the old partitioning scheme. that's not an issue with ubuntu, but with the way the android version of the phone is partitioned from the factory
[17:32] <ogra_> yeah, i thinnk the official phones actually have a 5:3 GB split
[17:32] <ogra_> while the android ones leave a lot less space in the writable area
[17:32] <ogra_> closer to 4:4 GB
[17:34] <studio_> dobey, last file i flashed was "KRILIN01A-S15A_BQ_L100EN_2019_150219.zip" and is newer than the bq "default" phone-file
[17:35] <dobey> studio_: well, ask bq then. not really something we have anything to do with, in here
[17:35] <ogra_> i'm not sure these zip files set up the partitioning
[17:36] <ogra_> that is usually something happening at factory level
[17:36] <studio_> ogra_, for sure
[17:36] <ogra_> with some special non-free tool
[17:36] <ogra_> i know for the ubuntu partitioning we have top send them a sheet with sizes and all
[17:36] <ogra_> so nothing you can change at home easily
[17:37] <studio_> ubuntu-touch is not easy ;)
[17:37] <dobey> let's go shopping
[17:37] <studio_> *lol*
[17:37] <studio_> :)
[17:40] <Anon239574> How well does Ubuntu Touch work (on Nexus 7) with a bluetooth keyboard? I've just ordered one but it's just dawned on me I'm not sure how useful it will be given UT is based around touch gestures.
[17:40] <Anon239574> I can imagine it'd be okay for typing but... Moving between apps/scopes/etc?
[17:41] <studio_> dobey, beleve me bq know nothing, they are depending from canonical!
[17:41] <dobey> studio_: canonical doesn't make phones or make any decisions on what the android version of the phone is like
[17:42] <studio_> and if they know, they say ask at Canonical
[17:43] <dobey> bq is whom decides what the sizes of the partitions on the phone are
[17:44] <studio_> sorry, but i get no support from bq! they told me in the beginning it is a dev-version and we do not support that, now it is "still" a dev-version and i get no support ...
[17:45] <studio_> here in the chat i get support! and that is fine!
[17:45] <dobey> studio_: then buy the real ubuntu version of the phone, if you want a supported phone running ubuntu
[17:46] <dobey> otherwise this specific partitioning issue is specific to the android version of the phone, and if bq can't/won't help you change the partitioning, then that's something you will have to deal with outside of this channel. we cannot change the partitioning on your phone either
[17:47] <studio_> dobey, i tried to buy a "real" ubuntu-phone, but it is still not on the market ....
[17:48] <dobey> plenty of others have purchased them. you'll have to watch for a flash sale if you want to buy one
[17:48] <dadexix86> studio_, I have it in my hands now and assure you, I bought it ;)
[17:49] <studio_> dadexix86, what phone and what ubuntu-version?
[17:49] <dobey> the aquaris e4.5 ubuntu edition
[17:49] <studio_> version?
[17:50] <dadexix86> there's only one version of that device
[17:50] <studio_> no!
[17:50] <ogra_> sure
[17:50] <studio_> what number?
[17:50] <dadexix86> do you want the serial number or what?
[17:51] <studio_> version number ubuntu build
[17:52] <focus4> got me first bq Ubuntu phone ;)
[17:52] <dadexix86> the one that come with the official updates of the phone, aka Ubuntu 14.10 (r20)
[17:52] <ogra_> yeah, 20 is the latest
[17:53] <dadexix86> welcome in the club, focus4! :D
[17:53] <focus4> yeah!!!
[17:54] <focus4> I love it so much already!!! :)
[17:54] <ogra_> awesome !
[17:55] <popey> focus4: yay
[17:55] <studio_> dadexix86, i am using 15.04 r156
[17:55] <focus4> I I installed terminal and ssh into all servers in seconds :)
[17:56] <focus4> thats what phones were meant to do from day 1
[17:56] <ogra_> and if you want to, you can do it the other way around too ;)
[17:57] <focus4> ogre - wow!!!
[17:58] <ogra_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/348714/ubuntu-touch-apt-get-install-openssh-server-error/599041#599041
[17:58] <Anon239574> Anybody used a bluetooth keyboard with Ubuntu Touch?
[17:59] <adrian47> Anon239574, i heard that someone has problems, when/if I fix bt, I will try :)
[18:00] <Anon239574> adrian47: Thanks :) Really hope it works... My bq arrived today and I'm convinced, so I ordered a Nexus 7 for tablet use... Followed by (in a bit of an accessory haul) a bluetooth keyboard case... Then it dawned on me maybe it's not going to work - Doh!
[18:01] <focus4> 'crashed terminal - how to close the app?
[18:01] <ogra_> focus4, swipe from the right so you see all open apps
[18:01] <ogra_> then swipe the one you want to close up or down
[18:03] <focus4> Than you ogre!!!! :)
[18:04] <focus4> works like a charm
[18:04] <studio_> dobey, so what is a real Ubuntu-Phone?
[18:04] <dobey> studio_: bq.com/ubuntu
[18:06] <adrian47> Anon239574, it shouldn't be hard to fix that I think, so ubuntu developers will fix that when they will have some time for it :)
[18:06] <studio_> dobey, where is the different tu my phone? 15.04 r156?
[18:07] <daniel_> hey folks
[18:07] <Anon239574> adrian47: Fingers crossed :)
[18:07] <brunch875> heyho
[18:07] <daniel_> you probably been asked this lots recently
[18:07] <dobey> studio_: as i already said, the partitioning is different and it is the supported version of the phone. if bq doens't want to provide support for installing ubuntu on the android version of the phone, and to allow you to repartition it the same as the ubuntu phone, there is nothing we can do about that in here
[18:08] <daniel_> is it possible to sync sim contacts to the new ubuntu bq phone?
[18:08] <brunch875> yes!
[18:09] <brunch875> I got my bq and after logging the google account, all contacts magically appeared there
[18:09] <daniel_> i can sync gmail contacts but cant seem to sync contacts from sim
[18:09] <ogra_> i think that isnt in the official image yet
[18:09] <dobey> daniel_: not in the image version that comes on the phone; the in-development version of ubuntu will have support, so when that update comes it will be possible
[18:09] <dobey> or if you switch to the develpment version channel, it will be possible
[18:10] <daniel_> mmm how the hell do i phone me mom and tell her the cats on fire?
[18:10] <studio_> dobey, as i know from users who get their first bq e4.5 ubuntu-edtion, thay wrote from version 16, 16 is a dev-version. same as "KRILIN01A-S15A_BQ_L100EN_16_150129.zip"
[18:10] <dobey> studio_: enough.
[18:10] <studio_> ok :(
[18:11] <adrian47> ogra_, popey, I need small idea :) Because of my system freezing problems, I did small (1 line :) ) sh script in rc0.d folder to save android logcat on system partition at shutdown. It is so short and doesn't have to many logs
[18:11] <daniel_> anyone know how long the wait will be?
[18:11] <dobey> this has been explained to you already. if you can't understand that, then re-read the backlog until you do.
[18:11] <daniel_> for the sim update?
[18:12] <daniel_> sim sync i mean!! i guess i'll have to be patient!
[18:12] <dobey> daniel_: i don't know, no. hopefully soon.
[18:12] <ogra_> adrian47, /proc/last_kmsg always has the logs of the last boot
[18:12] <ogra_> the kernel stores it there on shutdown
[18:12] <adrian47> is there a way to save logs during system work? (I don't know how to say it)
[18:13] <daniel_> i dont really want to add the development image! as just got the phone and dont want to brick it
[18:13] <daniel_> guess i'll pm a few friends on facebook and add manually
[18:14] <adrian47> ogra_, i don't have it, after shutdown, but i can try to copy it at shutdown thanks
[18:14] <ogra_> adrian47, i guess you dont have that enabled in kerne then ...
[18:15] <ogra_> iirc it was called something like "ramconsole" or some such
[18:15] <brunch875> just how hard can we brick the phone if we fiddle with it? Can we break fastboot?
[18:15] <brunch875> I never managed to absolutely destroy my computers like that
[18:16] <brunch875> (software-wise)
[18:16] <adrian47> ogra_, before my system booted completely (bootloop etc.), i had it. But now it doesn't exist?
[18:16] <ogra_> weird
[18:16] <ogra_> it is job of the kernel though
[18:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl> a lot of people seem to be like "don't mess with your phone, you might brick it" but no matter how many times I've derped up installing ROMs, I've never bricked one
[18:22] <adrian47> I think that 'reboot to recovery' option should be added (for porting especially) to the power menu
[18:22] <ChloeWolfieGirl> adrian47 but only after activating developer mode
[18:23] <adrian47> ChloeWolfieGirl, or in other way like it is with writable image (file), in my case activating developer mode hangs whole system... :(
[18:31] <ChloeWolfieGirl> adrian47: damn...
[18:34] <ChloeWolfieGirl> has anyone got any update about when anyone will beable to grab the scopes that are currently only on the bq Ubuntu phone?
[18:34] <popey> cwayne: ^
[18:42] <cwayne> actively being worked on :)
[18:42] <ChloeWolfieGirl> :D
[18:44] <Isotop7> when running make it gives me 'error, forbidden warning: xt_connbytes.c:43' in phablet/kernel/samsung/jf/net/netfilter/xt_connbytes.c....any ideas?
[18:51] <Isotop7> nevermind...found a fix
[19:22] <herrP> Anyone ever booted up Ubuntu Touch on a Samsing SM-P905?
[19:33] <dobey> !devices | herrP
[19:34] <herrP> !devices
[19:34] <herrP> Oh, ah, yes. Thank you. :)
[19:34] <brunch875> oooo ubot is such a rebel
[20:13] <muka> i'm on ubuntu-touch-devel channel. looks like network mngr is not updating. I have to turn wifi off and on to update networks. also cellular data is not updating. I have to turn into plain mode than turn it back on and after 3-5 min. cellular data works again.
[20:13] <muka> my phone is nexus 4
[20:16] <Isotop7> does it work on another channel? maybe flash another baseband!
[20:25] <Isotop7> muka: also tried reflashing?
[20:27] <muka> Isotop7, twice. first I was on devel-proposed same issues so I changed to devel, twice.
[20:29] <ogra_> muka, http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/issues/ ... see at the bottom
[20:30] <ogra_> i think switching networks is also having issues that are not on that list atm but known
[20:31] <muka> yes that looks like same issues
[20:33] <muka> it worked fine when phone was on stable channel
[20:34] <Isotop7> muka: maybe flash another baseband?
[20:35] <muka> if i have time tonight
[20:39] <muka> it's not a problem i know im using devel channel so it is expected. I just hope that my reporting will help a little to build better system.
[20:55] <Isotop7> make fails with an error in GalaxyS3Settings APK
[20:55] <Isotop7> i know i can disable it, but where?
[21:12] <adrian47> Isotop7, you should grep your source
[21:13] <adrian47> Isotop7, in device.mk probably
[21:19] <Isotop7> thanks :) i should think before i ask more often :D
[21:21] <attente_> Elleo: hi, is https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/maliit/1245925/+merge/250311 ok to you?
[21:26] <adrian47> Isotop7, Asking is ok, it's good way to learn something :)
[21:36] <jgdx> us on holidays or what?
[21:37] <jgdx> s/us/US
[21:38] <jgdx> … or is my gmail stuck or something. Hm.
[21:42] <Isotop7> now im stuck with hardware/qcom/display/msm8960/libqdutils/mdp_version.cpp....it says linux/msm_mdp.h is not found but its present under various paths...
[21:59] <Dan_9383> Hello! Has anybody with a newly arrived BQ E4.5 that when connected to the charger there is a very faint red LED on the top left of the phone. Not anywhere near as bright as the green LED in the centre but there's definitely a lightly lit small red LED too...
[22:00] <popey> Dan_9383: not seen that
[22:01] <Dan_9383> Hmm... It's to the left of the green LED. I only noticed it when in a pitch black room...
[22:01] <popey> you sure you're not just seeing the light sensor or front facing camera?
[22:01] <Dan_9383> Hope there's nothing wrong :( Not even turned the device on yet!
[22:01] <Dan_9383> Hmm, I'd need to double check (will do later, girlfriend is asleep in that room now), but not sure how I'd have seen it given there was no other light in the room..
[22:02] <Dan_9383> Does the light sensor and/or front facing camera look red when very  close up?
[22:02] <popey> yes, vaguely
[22:03] <Dan_9383> Hmm, I'll have to double check then. Maybe I'm getting worried about nothing :| (Too excited, I think!)
[22:18] <adrian47> Dan_9383, it can be infrared sensor, it disable screen when you are talking.
[22:18] <muka> I clean cache by ubuntu-device-flash --clean-cache touch but still I het free space on /cache/recovery is 542M
[22:18] <Dan_9383> Oh, okay... And again it would look red when not powered up? (Unless of course it is receiving some power even when the device is not on but is connected to charger).
[22:20] <adrian47> Dan_9383, It has infrared LED diode, theoretically invisible for human light but sometimes you can see dark glow (good word?)
[22:20] <adrian47> It should (probably) light up only when you are talking by phone
[22:21] <Dan_9383> adrian47: When powered only or just generally you can see it?
[22:21] <Dan_9383> It looks to be in the correct location for this looking at the user guide.
[22:22] <adrian47> Dan_9383, it can be bug maybe, but it will not make anything bad :)
[22:22] <adrian47> You can try take photo with other camera (phone) in the normal light, if you will see it = it is ir sensor :)
[22:23] <Dan_9383> Possibly if it device was booted but unlikely given the device has power (charger connected) but not turned on. I will have to look further (better to get this sorted ASAP if it's bad hardware). Hopefully nothing though. At least now I know what it *might* be I can look for that :)
[22:26] <adrian47> If screen goes black when you are talking, all is probably ok, it can be normal.
[22:27] <Dan_9383> I have taken a photo, uploading now...
[22:27] <Dan_9383> adrian47: Interesting it shows up VERY easy on the photo... Worse than by eye!
[22:28] <Dan_9383> By eye you have to look close and it's still not bright.
[22:29] <popey> lets see it! :)
[22:29] <adrian47> Dan_9383, Yes, it's infrared :) Camera see it, you can try it with your TV remote control it has IR led too but usually much stronger
[22:31] <Dan_9383> Light in pitch black room: http://i.imgur.com/Pk9XuJm.jpg
[22:31] <Dan_9383> And with a light quickly turned on so you can see where it is relative to the phone http://i.imgur.com/3nuAnOT.jpg
[22:31] <Dan_9383> Sorry for awful images (partner was sleeping and did not want to disturb)
[22:32] <Dan_9383> Does anybody else see this??
[22:32] <Dan_9383> Or is this a bad unit?
[22:33] <adrian47> Some of galaxy's phones has this LED turned on permamently, so it isn't anything bad :)
[22:33] <popey> its the ambient light sensor isn't it?
[22:33] <Dan_9383> I don't know
[22:33] <Dan_9383> Does your phone show this?
[22:33] <adrian47> light sensor? no :)
[22:34] <popey> well, your camer is making it look worse than it is, surely?
[22:34] <Dan_9383> Indeed, it looks much worse on the camera.
[22:34] <popey> thats expected
[22:34] <popey> cameras show up ir
[22:34] <popey> like a tv remote
[22:34] <Dan_9383> But in a dark room you can still it by the naked eye
[22:34] <Dan_9383> (I've never noticed the IR on tv remote visible to the naked eye)
[22:35] <popey> I haven't seen this on mine
[22:35] <Dan_9383> Can you try connecting it to the charger and looking at through a camera? Need to know if it's necessary to contact bq or not :(
[22:35] <adrian47> The light from this IR led reflects from your head/ear, and reaches to ir sensor, it's all what it do :)
[22:36] <adrian47> It works for few cm
[22:36] <Dan_9383> Sure but I've had other phones with that sensor and never noticed visible light from it :S
[22:36] <popey> i dont see it, no
[22:36] <Dan_9383> Hmm :(
[22:37] <adrian47> And you can see it because LED is smaller than remote one, and sometimes you can see it (more light in smaller place)
[22:37] <adrian47> popey turn on phone app (call best) and try again :)
[22:37] <Dan_9383> adrian47: Seems as though it's an issue with this handset rather than the design in general
[22:38] <adrian47> Dan_9383, you are usign factory charger?
[22:38] <adrian47> original*
[22:38] <Dan_9383> No because it's EU charger, I'm using a PortaPow (good quality) micro usb charger instead.
[22:38] <Dan_9383> (I'm in the UK)
[22:38] <adrian47> UK, has 50Hz too?
[22:39] <popey> yeah, i see it when in phone app in camera
[22:39] <popey> but not visible without camera
[22:39] <Dan_9383> popey: When in the photo app can you see it with the naked eye (very close in in a dark room)?
[22:40] <popey> no
[22:40] <adrian47> popey, only a few people can see it :D
[22:40] <Dan_9383> adrian47: Yes 50 Hz so I'd need to find a converter
[22:40] <Dan_9383> adrian47: Which I don't have
[22:40] <Dan_9383> Could it be the charger, you think? I can try a different uUSB tomorrow...
[22:40] <adrian47> 50Hz should be ok, but it can be caused with charger
[22:41] <adrian47> Dan_9383, try with usb connected to PC
[22:41] <popey> mine isn't charged, so I dont have the green light
[22:41] <Dan_9383> popey: You think it could be related to the green LED?
[22:41] <adrian47> PC has good stabilization
[22:42] <popey> no, just saying mine isnt the same state
[22:42] <popey> also note my phone was made a year before yours
[22:42] <popey> so different batch
[22:42] <Dan_9383> adrian47: Will try this tomorrow (I dont want to disconnect it just yet as the instructions say to charge for 4 hours and it's only been on charge for 2 hrs)
[22:42] <popey> different front glass too
[22:42] <adrian47> battery level can change anything :)
[22:42] <Dan_9383> adrian47: Can or can't? :S
[22:42] <Dan_9383> popey: Is yours one of the original E4.5s then? (Not Ubuntu Edition?)
[22:43] <popey> yes
[22:43] <popey> well, i have both
[22:43] <popey> but not taken my ubuntu edition one out of the box yet
[22:44] <Dan_9383> adrian47: I just tried the TV remote trick and the colour (on my camera display) is identical so I think you've definitely got it... Just a question of whether this is okay or not. I know it's only minor but it it's a fault I'd rather return for a faultless unit
[22:44] <Dan_9383> popey: Why not taken the Ubuntu Edition out of the box? :)
[22:44] <popey> not had much time today, been busy
[22:44] <popey> ok, now i have
[22:44] <Dan_9383> Hmm, when you try it can you let me know? I don't have myself logged into IRC but I can PM you tomorrow
[22:44] <popey> put it on charge, and i have green light, and see no light in ambient light sensor
[22:45] <popey> but the phone is off
[22:45] <Dan_9383> My phone is also off
[22:45] <popey> ok
[22:45] <popey> no idea then
[22:45] <adrian47> charger i think :)
[22:45] <Dan_9383> When connected it immediately showed the bq logo on the white display, then a battery icon with a charge percentage and then it all went blank again
[22:46] <Dan_9383> At that time I did not have a close look (so did not notice the red IR) but checked it ~2 hr later and that's when I noticed
[22:46] <popey> yes, same here
[22:46] <adrian47> It can be caused by voltage stabilization, some chargers can even 'touch' your screen when they have bad stabilization.
[22:46] <popey> i like the animated batter charge thing
[22:47] <Dan_9383> adrian47: This is good quality charger... Though it is highly rated (up to 4.2A) but I don't know what the bq will draw
[22:47] <adrian47> you shouldn't have to worry, it isn't anything bad if only works :)
[22:48] <Dan_9383> But I guess it's possible it's a consequence of the charger difference :S
[22:48] <Dan_9383> Yeah but if it's on all the time when it shouldn't be that cannot be a good thing. Harmless as it may be.
[22:49] <adrian47> I think 0.7A is usually max, so it's ok,
[22:50] <adrian47> This can can ligh for about 100000 hours, and it takes really small power, maybe one minute of your use time when fully charged :)
[22:51] <Dan_9383> Well I'll investigate it tomorrow... See if it happens off charge, with the device on, etc, etc. If I'm still not sure I'll ask bq but I can guess they'll be unable to explain it (and probably say it's how it is meant to be despite the fact on our small sample size of 2 units it would appear not).
[22:51] <adrian47> Dan_9383, when you will try with USB connected to PC you will now anything :)
[22:51] <adrian47> know*
[22:52] <Dan_9383> Yeah, if it turns out it's just related to the charger that's fair enough I guess.
[22:53] <Dan_9383> Was going to get my screen protector installed tomorrow (because I am rubbish at applying them!) but a bit hesitant to incase I have to return the device :P Third world problems, eh? :)
[22:53] <Dan_9383> First* ;)
[22:54] <adrian47> Phone charges are usually (always almost) are inverter, they are generating high frequences, it can be good but generate other frequence as original one
[22:55] <adrian47> When the frequence will match to something, then can happen strange things :)
[22:56] <Dan_9383> Similar questions about GS5 http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s5/383398-anyone-else-notice-red-light-sensor-s5.html
[22:56] <martian-a> Hi. Does anyone here know if it's possible to use an e4.5 as a wifi hotspot?
[22:56] <adrian47> Yes S5 has acticvated IR permamently as i know
[22:56] <Dan_9383> So I guess it's just a phenomenon with phones? Perhaps only certain people can see it? I don't know :S
[22:57] <adrian47> You need to have wide spectrum of view, but on camera it should be visible
[22:58] <Dan_9383> Yes, very visible on camera :)
[22:58] <Dan_9383> I don't think you'd notice it by eye unless looking at the phone close up which you'd be unlikely to do in normal use.
[22:58] <Dan_9383> Odd that it is on when the phone is off, though!
[22:58] <Dan_9383> I see no reason for that to be the case...
[22:59] <adrian47> When you turn S5 off, ir is dabled.
[22:59] <Dan_9383> I'm talking about the bq :)
[22:59] <Dan_9383> (I don't own an S5, just did a search to see if others have noticed it)
[23:01] <adrian47> Yes i know, only saying that in S5 it is disabled :) But S5 uses probably it to sens your hand moving over it (gallery etc.) so it needs to be activated permamently
[23:01] <Dan_9383> Oh okay, makes sense
[23:02] <Dan_9383> I'll try and call bq tomorrow I guess, see if it's a potential issue or not. No harm checking :) I guess at least they'll have other handsets to hand to see if others (how many?) do it or not.
[23:04] <adrian47> My english isn't best so sometimes it's hard to understand what I mean :)
[23:04] <Dan_9383> Not at all, I understand
[23:04] <Dan_9383> Thanks very much for your help diagnosing it, I'll find it much easier to describe to bq now :)
[23:06] <adrian47> No problem, when you will have other questions I'm at your service :)
[23:06] <adrian47> With hardware best :)
[23:06] <Dan_9383> I'll let you know what they say :)
[23:08] <adrian47> Thanks, i am curious about that :)
[23:29] <lotuspsychje> anyone using telegram on nexus7?
[23:48] <ChloeWolfieGirl> lotuspsychje, I am
[23:49] <lotuspsychje> ChloeWolfieGirl: does that work good on n7?
[23:50] <lotuspsychje> i tought telegram was only for phone, as it asks for a cellphone nr?
[23:50] <ChloeWolfieGirl> It works well, but yeah you need a cellphone
[23:51] <lotuspsychje> i have a cellphone, but how does it work on the n7 then? can you explain?
[23:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl> lotuspsychje, you put your number in, then you get a text with a pin and type that in on the nexus 7 then you dont need the phone again unless you need to log-in again
[23:54] <lotuspsychje> so you can chat free over wifi with contacts on the n7?
[23:54] <ChloeWolfieGirl> yeah
[23:54] <lotuspsychje> cool tnx for info ChloeWolfieGirl
[23:55] <ChloeWolfieGirl> You're welcome
[23:55] <lotuspsychje> : )