[02:24] <mapp> done it again
[06:19] <jussi> o/
[06:19] <jussi> anyone actually awake yet?
[06:20] <jussi> @time london
[06:20] <nigelb> jussi: hello
[06:21] <jussi> gday mr nigelb, long time no see
[06:21] <nigelb> jussi: hah, same to you :)
[06:21]  * jussi wonders if AlanBell is around...
[06:21]  * nigelb hasn't seen AlanBell in a long time
[06:22] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:23] <mapp> hi jussi:D
[06:24] <jussi> oh dear, its mapp!!! RUN!!! :P :P
[06:24] <mapp> yes
[06:24] <mapp> :D
[06:25] <mapp> you still in the Finland jussi?
[06:25] <mapp> :)
[06:31] <jussi> nope...
[06:31] <jussi> am now in australia
[06:32] <nigelb> jussi: visiting? Or you've moved back?
[06:32] <jussi> moved
[06:32] <nigelb> Oh wow.
[06:32] <nigelb> No wonder I haven't seen you around.
[06:32] <nigelb> :)
[06:33] <mapp> what
[06:33] <mapp> wow
[06:33] <mapp> jussi you moved from finland to aus?!?!
[06:34] <jussi> yes
[06:34] <mapp> nice:DDD
[06:34] <zmoylan-pi> from fridge to the oven...
[06:34] <mapp> forever?
[06:34] <mapp> or a visa for so long?
[06:34] <jussi> zmoylan-pi: from the freezer to the oven...
[06:34] <jussi> mapp: I am an aussie, I can be here for as long as I feel like...
[06:35] <mapp> ah
[06:35] <mapp> i thought you were a finn:)
[06:35] <jussi> and I never say forever, just "lets see"
[06:36] <mapp> did you move on your own jussi?
[06:36] <zmoylan-pi> i.m sure an aeroplane was involved :-P
[06:37] <mapp> i mean no familt or partner;p
[06:37] <mapp> family
[06:37] <mapp> i thought jussi was finnish
[07:22] <knightwise> hey everyone
[07:23] <mapps> hey
[07:44] <elfy> hi mapps
[07:44] <elfy> and morning
[07:46] <mapps> er hi elfy
[07:47] <mapps> never seen you here before:D
[07:47] <elfy> well I used to be here - then wasn't - now am ;)
[07:47] <mapps> :)
[07:49] <mapps> im  not even uk anymore
[07:49] <mapps> well am i?> whats it clased as here
[07:49] <mapps> gib
[07:49] <elfy> not a clue - not sure anyone would worry
[07:50] <mapps> :D
[07:51] <elfy> if Gib isn't counted as GB, then I'm Maltese :p
[07:51] <mapps> ive switched south london to gib
[07:51] <mapps> and im still doing the same
[07:51] <mapps> smoke too much drink too much:P
[07:51] <elfy> I'd switch London for anywhere too
[07:52] <mapps> but im a south london boy:)
[07:52] <mapps> always will be
[07:53] <mapps> its a dump
[07:54] <mapps> and i know that but i love se1:)
[07:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:00] <mapps> morninb
[08:02] <elfy> morning MooDoo
[08:03] <mapps> too tired to type in russian;/
[08:07] <MooDoo> howdy elfy how are you on this fine day?
[08:08] <elfy> grumbling at the outside - but other than that all's good :)
[08:08] <mapps> :)
[08:09] <mapps> i sometimes find it hard to translate all the time...eng -> ger eng -> rusian
[08:09] <mapps> why cant everyone speak eng
[08:10] <elfy> I find it hard translating eng > eng at times
[08:10] <mapps> ;]
[08:10] <MooDoo> I wish people would talk proper like what i does ;)
[08:10] <mapps> i talk properly here
[08:11] <mapps> in other channels maybe my language skills are  wong:
[08:12] <elfy> no idea, I don't use #ubuntu-de :p
[08:13] <mapps> #ubuntu-de and #'ubuntu-ru;p
[08:13] <mapps> my german is better than my russian
[08:41] <Myrtti_> I don't think Cities: Skylines works as well on my Linux as it does on hubby's Mac :-<
[08:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:43] <jussi> Myrtti_: since I havent spoken to you in ages, congratulations :)
[08:44] <Myrtti_> jussi: thank you :-)
[08:45] <popey> a jussi appears
[08:46] <mapps> hi popey
[08:50] <jussi> heya popey, long time no see :)
[08:51] <jussi> Myrtti: the FB pics were stunning :)
[08:51] <mapps> jussi i sent you a pm;/
[08:52] <Myrtti> they ought to be, I'm expecting a considerable bill from him :-)
[08:52] <jussi> mapps: ive been lazy, and Im nearish to melbourne
[08:54] <jussi> sometimes open erp/odoo confunds me...
[08:54] <jussi> +o
[08:54] <mapps> aha cool:D
[08:57] <mapps> so jussi you arent finnish?
[08:57] <Myrtti> just briefly adopted the Finnish lifestyle
[08:57] <Myrtti> he's lapsed back to his native form now.
[08:58] <jussi> "for now"
[08:58] <jussi> ;)
[08:58] <mapps> so where were you born jussi?
[08:58] <mapps> but nice with the aus mov
[08:58] <jussi> in australia...
[08:58] <mapps> move
[08:58] <mapps> oh
[08:59] <mapps> less interesting now;p
[08:59] <mapps> thought you were a fin
[08:59] <mapps> you got dual citizenship?
[09:00]  * jussi goes away...
[09:24] <diplo> Morning all
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Near Miss Day! :-D
[09:34] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Mondays
[09:35] <zmoylan-pi> is that an oxymoron?
[09:36] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, the happy Monday, or the happy Near Miss Day? ;)
[09:36] <foobarry> my 5yr old had a melt down even before getting dressed today
[09:36] <zmoylan-pi> they learn so young these days :'-)
[09:37] <JamesTait> foobarry, when I was riding back from school, I passed a mother with her son over her shoulder, carrying him to school.
[09:37] <foobarry> hehe
[09:38] <JamesTait> It sounded like he'd had a full-on meltdown and had thrown himeself on the ground and refused to move.
[09:39] <MooDoo> sounds like you're having fun JamesTait :)
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> when i carried my nephew anywhere because he was misbehaving i carried him like a bag of spuds under my arm.  not as easy but more humiliating for him. he learned fast
[09:39] <foobarry> usually he loves school. the other day in the playground, all the kids got to go outside and were given chalk to draw whatever they wanted. some kids drew flowers, rainbows, unicorns, my son led my wife to a corner where he proudly showed her a nicely formatted table of sums 10+10=20 , 7+3=10 etc
[09:39] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: This is why a sound-proof box on wheels is so useful.
[09:40] <TwistedLucidity> Oh gods...he's going to be an accountant!
[09:40] <foobarry> i don't think my son is aspie but he shares certain common tendencies
[09:40] <JamesTait> MooDoo, my eldest came in to wake me at 7:25 this morning because he "thought it was 8 o'clock or something and we were going to be late."
[09:41] <foobarry> he told the teacher the other day he wanted to learn to build stable buildings. i think he just likes learning atm
[09:41] <foobarry> but maths is the favourite, like his father, and his father before him
[09:41] <JamesTait> Nothing wrong with that.
[09:41] <MooDoo> JamesTait: mine was up at 6:30 as he wasn't tired any more.
[09:42] <foobarry> esp. while my fb feed is full of mums incorrectly claiming that kids don't learn stuff at school in scandie countries until age X
[09:42] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: 0630? Plenty of time to wash the dishe, brush the cat, take out the rubbish and dust the low shelves!
[09:42] <JamesTait> MooDoo, I think that was my youngest. Mom woke me while she was getting ready for work around 6:40, and when she went downstairs I heard his voice.
[09:43] <JamesTait> TwistedLucidity++
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> JamesTait: Can you tell that I don't have kids? :-P
[09:44] <JamesTait> Not really, TwistedLucidity - I have two, and still say the same kind of things several times a day.
[09:54] <Oli``> Are there any tablets I can do a regular install of Ubuntu on? I need to do a touchscreen demo of something and dedicated kiosk hardware is far too expensive for prototyping.
[09:55] <awilkins> Oli``, You'd need an x86 tablet for a regular install.
[09:55] <awilkins> Something designed to run full-fat Windows (not RT) is probably your best bet
[09:56] <awilkins> Alternately, you might be able to simulate it by putting VNC on a tablet
[09:57] <awilkins> One of those Asus multitouch netbook convertible things might be an idea, or another laptop with a touchscreen like a Del M3800
[09:58] <awilkins> You might be able to get an XPS13 second hand on eBay
[09:58] <foobarry> amazon seems to be full of uber cheap torches and monoculars that i can't resist buying
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> me and my android tablet are not rabbits of positive euphoria... flippin thing won't install some apps for some reason.  i'd love a ubuntu tablet.
[10:02] <popey> didn't knightwise buy a microsoft tablet and get good performance from ubuntu on it?
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> didn't they have problems only with suspend?
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> everything else worked ok
[10:03] <popey> dunno
[10:03] <popey> hence asking
[10:36] <MooDoo> yay got my ubuntu server + glusterfs setup working :D
[11:05] <diddledan> popey: I recall someone mentioning having put ubuntu on one, but don't remember who it was
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> it would be in the logs if someone has access to them
[11:13] <Myrtti_> BOO. http://www.reddit.com/r/CitiesSkylines/comments/2yqggj/potential_fixes_for_your_game_issues/cpcg1hk *snif*
[11:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: nearly missed your morning greeting I was busy restoring my pc after a fresh vivid install :D
[11:29] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: I've been on for a while just busy, nice write up on 14.04 gluster by the way, didn't really read just a scan but is seemed well thought out, I'll have a proper read tonight
[11:33]  * JamesTait is still on Utopic.
[11:34] <MooDoo> davmor2: i expect lots of comments as it was a rushed post from my bash history, but yeah it works well :)
[11:34] <popey> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ https://twitter.com/popey/status/579969203693838336
[11:34] <MooDoo> stop teasing popey
[11:35] <popey> Nope, never!
[11:35] <bigcalm> popey: bag
[11:35] <bashrc_> a bq box?
[11:35] <bigcalm> popey: bah
[11:35] <diddledan> meh, I've got plenty of boxes
[11:35] <bigcalm> popey: did you get an email saying it had been dispatched?
[11:36] <popey> nope
[11:36] <popey> just turned up
[11:36] <popey> AIUI they shipped on friday
[11:36] <bigcalm> I see
[11:37] <bigcalm> Then the next 3 days of be being at the company office will be annoying
[11:37] <bashrc_> which reminds me. I should try ubuntu touch again
[11:37] <ali1234> so is it actually possible to buy an ubuntu phone currently? or did they just sell a couple of hundred and then stop?
[11:37] <bigcalm> ali1234: they do flash sales
[11:38] <ali1234> so "no" then?
[11:38] <bigcalm> ali1234: don't know how many at a time, but I've been bq tweet a few times
[11:38] <zmoylan-pi> sorry officer i was speeding to get home to buy a phone :-P
[11:38] <moreati> popey: bad news, you're holding it upside down. That box is actually from ɯoɔ˙bq˙ʍʍʍ
[11:38] <bigcalm> ali1234: "currently" no, but if you follow bq on twitter, you'll see them announce the next flash sales
[11:38] <directhex> open source. https://twitter.com/directhex/status/579970510584438784
[11:40] <popey> hah, i do that all the time
[11:41] <popey> s/couple of hundred/some thousands/ but yeah, flash sales apparently
[11:42] <nigelb> directhex: It's more fun when I see a pull request. From me.
[11:43] <directhex> hah!
[11:43] <popey> :)
[11:43] <popey> brilliant
[11:52] <diplo> What twitter clinets do people use on their Ubuntu boxes? Currently using hotot which is okay but crashes randomly
[11:53] <awilkins> Web page
[11:53] <davmor2> diplo: a web page
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> i use tweetdeck in browser
[11:53] <davmor2> diplo: or the webapp on my phone
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> and i do have a command line client set up on rasp pi but i haven't used it in ages and can't remember it's name
[11:54] <diplo> Don't really like the webpage, used to use tweetdeck but not in a few years
[11:54] <diplo> Just about to install vivid and was going to try something different
[11:54] <diplo> I like tthe cli, but I think twitter under cli is a step too far :D
[11:55] <diddledan> eh? http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/news/no-more-unlocking-your-phone-will-soon-stay-unlocked-your-pocket
[11:55] <zmoylan-pi> but you set the text to green on a black background and you feel all hackery :-P
[11:55] <MooDoo> yeah i use tweetdeck too
[11:55] <davmor2> diplo: just use the web-app :)
[11:55]  * diplo trys tweetdeck before reinstall!
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> i often use plume an android beside my computer to spare a little of the cpu on ancient netbook
[11:56] <MooDoo> I might try vivid, I use ubuntu gnome so it will be nice to see what that's like
[11:56] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: why do you still use such an underpowered "monster"?
[11:56] <diddledan> :-p
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> because it runs for 12+ hours on battery :-)
[11:57] <davmor2> MooDoo: too fast for you good sir too fast for you :)
[11:57] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I'm betting my phone is more powerful :-D
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> for ~levels of 'run' :-D
[11:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: I can handle it, might even give it more ram coz i can
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> but does it have a real keyboard, 10" screen and 200+gb of storage?
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> and run lubuntu quite nicely
[11:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: you might want to try ubuntu-next for the fun of it too, I'd do that from lxc or something though :)
[11:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: or just the live session :)
[11:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: I'll stick with what I have thank you very much, now that i'm not running any windows at all in my house
[11:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: i removed windows 10 and turn my backup server from windows 7 to debian
[11:59] <diddledan> MooDoo: doesn't that get a bit draughty?
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> apart from his windows which run glassOS :-)
[12:00] <MooDoo> diddledan: only up my kilt
[12:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: what has anything I've said got to do with Windows?
[12:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: Ubuntu-next is unity8 desktop cd
[12:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: sorry me thinking about 10 things at once.
[12:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: Man don't try that you only have the capacity for 1 :P
[12:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: just reading up on it
[12:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're not wrong this morning :D
[12:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: you won't want to use it as a daily driver currently I don't think, but it is fun as a preview of how the work is progressing :)
[12:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: when i upgrade my ram in my laptop i'll give it a go :D
[12:03] <MooDoo> although i did promise myself i'd stop all this playing about
[12:08] <diddledan> I prefer goats
[12:08] <diddledan> I've got a lot of goat in my computer
[12:09] <MooDoo> hehe
[12:23] <knightwise> hey diddledan , MooDoo
[12:23] <diddledan> MooDooni
[12:23] <diddledan> err
[12:23] <diddledan> ello knightwise
[12:23] <knightwise> diddledan: what you wanted to say was "i perfer looking at goats on my computer"
[12:23] <diddledan> lol
[12:24] <MooDoo> diddledan: you gone nuts mate ;)
[12:24] <diddledan> I think it was a strange tab-complete fail
[12:24] <diddledan> that's what I'm gonna go with, anyway
[12:24] <MooDoo> lol
[12:25] <diddledan> MooDooni sounds like an illusionist
[12:25] <MooDoo> diddledan: first i'm here
[12:25] <MooDooni> diddledan: now i'm not lol
[12:25] <diddledan> lol
[12:26] <diddledan> nutter!
[12:26] <MooDoo> :D
[12:26] <diddledan> I saw you do the switch, tho
[12:27] <MooDoo> i should of quit the channel first
[12:27] <diddledan> I like how penn & teller used to show you how a trick was done, and then to prove it they'd do it again... differently
[12:43] <diddledan> nearly feeding time at the zoo
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> ook?
[12:44] <diddledan> ook???
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> oooook!!
[12:44] <diddledan> is that a new animal?
[12:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's magic but not a lot
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> we need more Librarians
[12:44] <diddledan> we need less oiks
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> but ooks are ok
[12:45]  * diddledan looks in a book for an ook
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> try discworld
[12:46] <diddledan> see elite:dangerous have added a new space station called "pratchett's disc"?
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> is it supported by elephants?
[12:46] <diddledan> I'm sure they had a petition
[12:47] <diddledan> 60% elephants were in favour iirc
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> but not the fifth elephant for obvious reasons
[12:47] <diddledan> obviously
[12:49] <diddledan> now being insane reminds me. christmas is the time when you should lock up any insane people - because the sanity claws come down the chimney
[12:51] <shauno> is it past your bedtime?
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> he forgot to take his dried frog pills again
[12:52] <diddledan> shauno: shush you!
[12:52] <shauno> I'll take that as a yes :)
[12:53] <diddledan> :-p
[12:54] <diddledan> as I said earlier. zoo.
[12:55] <diddledan> I think the randomness is a byproduct of being entrenched in gentoo right now
[12:56] <diddledan> that's what you say when you return something faulty: bye, product!
[12:56] <diddledan> kinda like "bye, fufu"
[13:01] <diddledan> meh, I can't find a clip of that
[13:01] <diddledan> it's in repossessed me thinks
[13:31] <knightwise> hmm.. by the looks of it not a lot of progress has been made with the drivers for the new dell XPS 13
[13:45] <popey> knightwise: it's in progress
[13:46] <popey> we have people working on it
[13:54] <knightwise> popey: cool. I'm waiting for the support to be completed before I get one of them. Been looking at a companion machine for my mac for  a while now
[13:55] <popey> Dunno the ETA.
[13:55] <knightwise> Currently using my Surface pro 1 running ubuntu , the keyboard is not very practical.
[13:55] <knightwise> I have at least 3 months to go at my currentl client so I  don't need to buy one right away
[14:47] <Sebsebsebb> Anyone about
[14:47] <bashrc_> no
[14:49] <Sebsebsebb> Received my bq Ubuntu phone today and. Hardly  even. Done anything with it and already gone wrong it seems so stuck on the Ubuntu logo now
[14:50] <Azelphur> Sebsebsebb: you can probably press and hold the power button to force a reboot, not that it's a proper solution but yea
[14:50] <diddledan> hint, the full-stop (dot) doesn't work like you think it does
[14:50] <popey> Sebsebsebb: what was it doing before that?
[14:51] <diddledan> it might be a botched update?
[14:51] <diddledan> though afaict the update system is pretty well tested these days?
[14:52] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: is this first boot?
[14:52] <popey> lets find out what he was doing first before speculating :)
[14:52] <davmor2> popey: indeed
[14:53] <diddledan> you've got to speculate to accumulate :-p
[14:53] <diddledan> I have no idea where I heard that
[14:53] <Sebsebsebb> To the full stop thing I am messaging from a tablet at the moment so there may be certain mistakes as a result pluses going to be slower to reply as a result to
[14:54] <diddledan> fairy fluff
[14:54] <diddledan> err. fairy nuff?
[14:54]  * daftykins strolls back in
[14:54] <diddledan> I was being an ass, anyway
[14:54] <daftykins> forgot i restarted for that openssl update - or whatever it was
[14:55] <Sebsebsebb> ,no this is a boot after it's already been properly booted up I think
[14:55] <popey> how long has it been sat like that?
[14:55] <popey> and is it a tiny ubuntu logo or a big one?
[14:55] <popey> and what were you doing before hand?
[14:56] <Sebsebsebb> It crashed after I gave it a good look around
[14:57] <popey> so probably unity8 or mir crashed
[14:57] <popey> reboot it.
[14:57] <popey> (hold down power till you get blinded by a bq logo)
[14:57] <diddledan> is it v. bright?
[14:57] <popey> i haven't even taken mine out of the box yet
[14:57] <popey> it's black on a white background
[14:58] <diddledan> eep
[14:58] <davmor2> diddledan: the initial BQ logo on the phone is
[14:58] <popey> imagine your display being off, then suddenly being on, full brightness, white
[14:58] <Sebsebsebb> Was working ok and then this with the Ubuntu logo in centre of screen
[14:58] <diddledan> sounds like the apple logo used to be on my mbp
[14:58] <diddledan> aah, it didn't reboot
[14:59] <Sebsebsebb> Yes I was thinking something had crashed on software,
[14:59] <diddledan> popey's prolly right
[14:59] <diddledan> popey is rather awesome, though, so we tend to trust him ;-)
[14:59] <popey> lulz
[14:59] <popey> davmor2 crashes phones more then me
[14:59] <davmor2> diddledan: I never trust popey never :)
[14:59] <diddledan> lol
[15:00] <diddledan> so we've got davmor2 the phonekiller and daftykins the disckiller
[15:00] <bigcalm> Where's my spy camera?
[15:00] <davmor2> diddledan: oh no I killz allz the softwarez
[15:00] <diddledan> davmor2: that's not very nice of you
[15:01] <davmor2> diddledan: I'm QA
[15:01] <Sebsebsebb> Can't just take the battery out of this phone it seems and put back in as for. Trying to re boot with buttons not worked when tried before so I'll try again
[15:01] <diddledan> yeah, but still, imagine you were a nice happy software prog and then a big mean and nasty davmor2 came along and squished you!?!
[15:01] <bigcalm> Order #40001710 - could be waiting a while
[15:02] <diddledan> bigcalm: they prolly started their numbering on 40000000
[15:02] <bigcalm> ;)
[15:02] <diddledan> so yours is the 1710th :-p
[15:02] <bigcalm> Could still be waiting a while
[15:02] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: press volume up and power button for 10 seconds+ when the light is red release the volume button and tap the power button
[15:02] <bigcalm> That's a lot of trips to the post office
[15:02] <Sebsebsebb> Would be good if could take battery out like my other phones but no not this one
[15:04] <Sebsebsebb> Inhad in back in mind that they were going to apparantly start shipping out on Friday but didn't expect to get today
[15:05] <Sebsebsebb> Also I got mine on the second flash sale day
[15:06] <bashrc_> will firefox run on ubuntu touch? What's the default browser?
[15:06] <popey> no
[15:07] <Sebsebsebb> So thought it was something else being delivered
[15:07] <popey> oxide, based on chromium frameworks
[15:07] <bashrc_> aha
[15:11] <popey> technically firefox could run under xmir I guess
[15:11] <popey> but that's quite a hefty thing to be running
[15:11] <Sebsebsebb> Still mot re booting
[15:12] <bigcalm> MOT! That's what I needed to book!
[15:12] <popey> Sebsebsebb: what state is it in right now?
[15:13] <Sebsebsebb> Volumme up down and power buttons nothing
[15:14] <popey> just hold power button for a long time
[15:14] <popey> thats all
[15:14] <popey> until things light up
[15:14] <Sebsebsebb> Spinning Ubuntu logo in centre  of black screen
[15:15] <diddledan> that sounds like progress
[15:16] <Sebsebsebb> Basically it went from fully working to that
[15:16] <daftykins> yay phones
[15:18] <Sebsebsebb> I'll set up oroperly on wifi and with sim in it to when I get working again do an os update to if there is one
[15:18] <daftykins> zoinks, Scoob - i just saw an alpaca turn into zmoylan-pi
[15:18] <bashrc_> bad flash memory?
[15:18] <Sebsebsebb> Was doing a first look around
[15:18] <popey> Sebsebsebb: ok, leave it alone
[15:18] <popey> while the spinning logo does its thing
[15:19] <Sebsebsebb> Well it's stuck on thT
[15:19] <Sebsebsebb> And that's the issue
[15:20] <popey> how long has it been on that since you booted it up just now?
[15:20] <Sebsebsebb> Since it crashed yeah
[15:20] <popey> Finding this difficult to debug with short answers like that.
[15:21] <popey> Did you reboot the phone Y/N ?
[15:21] <Sebsebsebb> Half an hour or something now
[15:21] <popey> Did you reboot it since you started talking to us? (Y/N) ?
[15:21] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: ^
[15:25] <Sebsebsebb> since originally havering on it's been re booted but that was the set up I was going to put a sim in and then decided to do that later so completed set up and took a look around the os but I think it may have been turned on again or re booted after originally setting up but u don't remember
[15:25] <popey> Did you reboot it since you started talking to us (Y/N) ?
[15:25] <Sebsebsebb> No
[15:25] <popey> Reboot it.
[15:26] <popey> Hold down the power button for longer than you think you need to.
[15:26] <Sebsebsebb> Rebooting doesn't so
[15:26] <popey> wat?
[15:26] <Sebsebsebb> Work when I try to
[15:26] <popey> hold the power button for longer
[15:27] <Sebsebsebb> Oh ok works to re boot this time
[15:27] <popey> There we go.
[15:28] <Sebsebsebb> It really wasn't before though
[15:28] <popey> Well it is now, which is super.
[15:28] <popey> leave it, and after a couple of mins you should get the welcome thing.
[15:29] <Sebsebsebb> Yeah back in it now
[15:29] <popey> \o/
[15:29] <popey> suh-weet
[15:29] <Sebsebsebb> So where's the App Store hidden away
[15:30] <Sebsebsebb> It crashed when I was trying to find it before
[15:31] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: scroll down the bottom of the apps scope
[15:32] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Does anyone know if anyones doing anything in manchester for the Document freedom day?
[15:32] <Sebsebsebb> Yeah the apps scope where's that
[15:32] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: it's the one with the apps
[15:32] <Sebsebsebb> Network
[15:32] <Sebsebsebb> Settings etc
[15:33] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: no scroll from the middle to the right 3 time and you'll be on the apps scope
[15:33] <Sebsebsebb> Left panell browser etc but I see no app scope
[15:33] <popey> it has "Apps" at the top
[15:34] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: the scope is the main screen unless you opened an app
[15:34] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-23-153356.png
[15:34] <popey> looks like that
[15:34] <popey> you may need to swipe left or right to find it
[15:39] <daftykins> ChloeWolfieGirl: i presume you spotted the map on https://documentfreedom.org/ ?
[15:39] <daftykins> that at least suggests nothing
[15:40] <daftykins> perhaps convo could be lurking on some mailing list somewhere :D
[15:40] <ChloeWolfieGirl> daftykins, aww thats ashame...
[15:41] <daftykins> i don't have a clue of the event myself, had to look up what it was - so i'm by no means useful
[15:41] <Sebsebsebb> Main screen is with the date and time plus it says no data sources on the circle as expected really since currently not on the wifi and no sim in to
[15:42] <Sebsebsebb> And then sure on the left is the panel or whatever
[15:42] <Sebsebsebb> unity thing
[15:42] <popey> you need to get on the wifi :)
[15:43] <popey> launcher
[15:43] <popey> did you not get a manual with this thing? :)
[15:43] <popey> https://static-bqreaders.s3.amazonaws.com/file/Ubuntu-Aquaris_E4_5/Manual_Aquaris_E4.5_ubuntu_EN.pdf
[15:43] <ChloeWolfieGirl> daftykins, Yeah I don't know much either, I was just like, its on wednesday,  it'd be a fun event to go to and it'd be cool to meet nerdy people! :P
[15:43] <Sebsebsebb> I was thinking it may not be showing certain things since not on net
[15:44] <popey> yeah, it really needs a wifi connection.. pull down the network indicator and connect to wifi
[15:45] <Sebsebsebb> What they sent with it paperwise with it was a joke and no documentation really
[15:47] <Sebsebsebb> Yeah I know it needs net really, but I thought without that it would say AppStore or something like that anyway, but ok now I know it doesn't
[15:47] <popey> it does
[15:47] <popey> at the bottom of the app scope
[15:47] <foobarry> watched my first film on chromcast via google play yesterday
[15:48] <foobarry> experienced left a bit to be desired
[15:48] <popey> Sebsebsebb: it's quite a large button http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-23-154754.png
[15:48] <foobarry> next time i'll try from my tablet. the laptop lost chromecast controls
[15:48] <foobarry> nipped out of the room and couldn't pause it
[15:48] <shauno> gosh that's .. orange
[15:50] <daftykins> and... long?
[15:50] <Sebsebsebb> I get the today scope and that's about it
[15:50] <popey> Sebsebsebb: swipe left and right
[15:50] <diddledan> shauno, daftykins : like an umpa lumpa's thingy?
[15:50] <Sebsebsebb> Gallery and camera and such to
[15:50] <popey> Sebsebsebb: finger in middle of screen, swipe sideways
[15:50] <popey> Sebsebsebb: not from edge, in the middle
[15:51] <shauno> diddledan: this is my stern face.
[15:51] <diddledan> shauno: you need to work on that
[15:52] <daftykins> i best go return this government iPad at last, since they've decided they can sort it after all
[15:53] <daftykins> i wonder if they'll send down the poor unknowing trainee again :D
[15:54] <Sebsebsebb> Ok got the app scope up
[15:55] <Sebsebsebb> Although by doing something else
[16:00] <Sebsebsebb> Anyway going to set this phone up properly and start using it properly, although something I am a bit hmm to at the moment but probably isn't that bad actually is having to use a sim lock key, since not had to do that with previous phones and I haven't looked at the key properly yet
[16:03] <popey> you don't have to use a sim lock
[16:04] <Sebsebsebb> Oh?
[16:05] <ali1234> you used to have to, when it was like 2 weeks old
[16:05] <ali1234> apparently it didn't even occur to the designers that there are people who don't lock their phones
[16:06] <ali1234> then a bunch of people complained and it was fixed, presumably
[16:06] <diddledan> there's a difference between lockscreen and simlock, also
[16:06] <ali1234> yes
[16:07] <Sebsebsebb> No I mean the little key they sent with the phone for the sim slots
[16:07] <diddledan> it sounded like you were referring to the lock screen
[16:08] <diddledan> eh? that's just a pokey stick that you shove in the hole
[16:08] <diddledan> as you push the simtray will eject
[16:08] <popey> yeah, thats just to get the sim out
[16:08] <popey> see, now 3 definitions of sim lock :)
[16:08] <Sebsebsebb> Ohok
[16:09] <ali1234> so basically a paper clip?
[16:09] <diddledan> ali1234: yes
[16:09] <popey> yeah
[16:09] <popey> i keep one on my keyring
[16:09]  * diddledan pokey popey 
[16:10] <ali1234> i had to open one of those magnetic dvd security locks for my dad yesterday
[16:10] <ali1234> dunno what he's been up to lol
[16:10] <Sebsebsebb> I hadn't taken it out of its packagring and I got on some bq guide earlier on the site that mentioned using it
[16:10] <zmoylan-pi> i always carry a paperclip in my wallet. i learned from macguyver... :-) http://todaymade.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/macgyver-multitool.jpg
[16:11] <diddledan> I never understood how a paperclip turns into a nuclear bomb
[16:11] <zmoylan-pi> ah for that you need the jar of vaseline and a pair of socks as well
[16:12] <awilkins> My favourite was always the thing he did in the first episode
[16:12] <diddledan> I hadn't heard of mcguyver until after stargate
[16:12] <awilkins> Plugged a leak in a vat of acid with a few bars of chocolate
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> they mention it one of the first episodes :-)
[16:12] <awilkins> Using the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poDBrGIyTEk
[16:12] <awilkins> reaction
[16:13] <awilkins> Interesting stuff happens at 37 seconds
[16:13] <diddledan> there's the scene in one ep where sam and jack are stuck in the antarctic because of a power surge in the matter stream bumping them to the second gate where sam exclaims to jack that he should just be able to "mguyver a way out"
[16:14] <diddledan> spelign
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> though my favourite moment is when carter explains about blowing up a star and mentions arthur c. clarke
[16:15] <Sebsebsebb> I need someone cool to phone from my Ubuntu phone for later, so can I have your number popey no don't worry I was joking
[16:15] <popey> my number is widely available
[16:15] <popey> it's at the bottom of every email
[16:15] <davmor2> mad fool ;)
[16:15] <Sebsebsebb> Ah silly IPad auto correct
[16:16] <Sebsebsebb> Oh actually came out ok
[16:16] <ali1234> awilkins: we had to evacuate the science block when our teacher did that demo. he was like "oh yeah now i remember why we never do this demo any more"
[16:17] <awilkins> Was lucky enough to go to school at a time when they were still up for mad dangerous science practicals
[16:17] <awilkins> Have a small scar on my hand to remind me of the importance of safe handling of molten sulphur
[16:17] <Sebsebsebb> I got one since got from a shop abroad for quite a lot cheaper thank price
[16:18] <ali1234> funny thing was we had perfectly functional fume hoods in every classroom, but never once used them
[16:18] <zmoylan-pi> we didn't wear out our fume hoods either :-)
[16:18] <awilkins> Only had to leave the class once when we were synthesising esters
[16:18] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey why? dont you get alot of spam from people?
[16:18] <awilkins> I hate esters
[16:18] <awilkins> They make me cough something rotten. Pear drops.
[16:19] <Sebsebsebb> by phone is microsim I think so I'll have to take out of enclosure
[16:24] <Sebsebsebb> This phone is different from other ones I got,so how do I actually put the sim in it
[16:25] <popey> ChloeWolfieGirl: none
[16:26] <popey> ChloeWolfieGirl: I have had the same phone number for 17 years or so
[16:26] <Sebsebsebb> Or do I just unlock the slot looks like it
[16:27] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey thats fairly amazing.
[16:28] <popey> Sebsebsebb: there is no lock
[16:28] <popey> Sebsebsebb: it's just a hole, poke the thing in the hole
[16:28] <popey> and the sim comes out
[16:28] <popey> the sim tray that is
[16:29] <popey> in fact there's a picture on the front of the phone, in plastic, stuck on, which shows how to do it
[16:29] <Sebsebsebb> There's something down the left
[16:29] <popey> yes, two sim slots on left
[16:29] <popey> microsd slot on top
[16:29] <popey> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r8ToNynvPK8/VOhTyTrCQAI/AAAAAAAAG90/kh_AKh67PvY/s1600/aquaris-e45-guide-01.png
[16:30] <popey> 7 is two sims, 1 is microSD slot
[16:30] <popey> it's really quite common to have sim trays in phones
[16:31] <Sebsebsebb> The sim trays aren't just holes though
[16:31] <diddledan> no, they're trays
[16:32] <Sebsebsebb> How to get the tray out
[16:32] <diddledan> poke the pokey thing in the hole
[16:32] <Sebsebsebb> Ok
[16:32] <popey> 16:28 < popey> Sebsebsebb: it's just a hole, poke the thing in the hole
[16:32] <diddledan> jeez, louise :-p
[16:32] <popey> as I already said
[16:32] <popey> this is not hard dude
[16:33] <Sebsebsebb> Yeah I was thinking I needed to use that I'll get it out of its packaging
[16:33] <shauno> it's an interesting peek at 'onboarding' though.  I think things magically become more complicated when people expect them to be complicated
[16:33] <popey> you probably threw away the crucial piece of documentation :)
[16:33] <popey> it is shauno
[16:34] <popey> its funny seeing pictures people share
[16:34] <popey> seen quite a few pics of the terminal :)
[16:34] <popey> like one where it's running perl :)
[16:35] <Sebsebsebb> No I got everything that came with although I don't tend to read diagrams that well
[16:35] <popey> ok
[16:36] <Sebsebsebb> Or maps hmm
[16:36] <popey> everyone is indeed different
[16:37] <Sebsebsebb> Yep true even identical twins
[16:39] <foobarry> phone spam isn't very directed
[16:39] <foobarry> because you know the numbers that are used for mobiles you can just spam blocks of them
[16:39]  * diddledan digs through email to find popey's phone number for future midnight phonecalls
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> nah, 0300 is when person is sleeping the deepest
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> :-)
[16:40] <foobarry> which is when my son wakes me
[16:40] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you have met me, right?
[16:40] <Sebsebsebb> Heh at diddle fan
[16:40] <shauno> I was going to say, it's difficult to presume sleeping times in here
[16:40] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: when was the last time I was aleep at 3am?!
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> i've insomnia, i wouldn't remember if i had diddledan :-/
[16:41] <Sebsebsebb> Man not fan
[16:41] <diddledan> Sebsebsebb: keep going, there's a D there somewhere
[16:41] <foobarry> tab completion ftw
[16:43] <Sebsebsebb> Uh this tablet dorsnt have tab and the auto correction sucks big time
[16:43] <Sebsebsebb> For text
[16:43] <Sebsebsebb> On it
[16:45] <Sebsebsebb>  New computer ftw well I got a nice discount that I'll use later this year on one
[17:44] <mapps> yay
[17:44] <mapps> all i can eat chinese tonight
[17:45] <shauno> 'can' and 'should' aren't always the same thing ;)
[17:45] <mapps> all i can force down my neck
[17:45] <mapps> heh
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> in that case remember to chew the chicken balls...
[17:47] <mapps> ;D
[17:52] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnpTcrtsN3U
[17:53] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: do chickens have...
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> maybe it's an irish thing but every chinese takeaway in ireland has chicken balls which are lumps of chicken covered in batter.  not like mcnuggets or burger kings equivalent but lumps of proper chicken
[17:58] <elfy> I think it's generic - same things here
[18:04] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: do chickens have...
[18:04] <mapps> i can see myself being sick
[18:04] <mapps> lol
[18:04] <diddledan> mapps: out of body experience?
[18:05] <mapps> from all the MSG riddled chinese food
[18:05] <mapps> lol
[18:27] <daftykins> remind me to never get involved with my government's IT department again.
[18:27] <daftykins> I've never seen such an uncanny ability to grasp the wrong end of the stick at every stage of discourse. =|
[18:31] <diddledan> yey, sticky discourse!
[18:32] <davmor2> daftykins: ah I see your issue there, you went to the government Idiots Training department, next door along is Information and Technology ;)
[18:32] <daftykins> heh
[18:32] <daftykins> i went to give this iPad back and asked for a receipt to prove that i had done, seemed totally simple enough to me
[18:33] <daftykins> but this guy decided to get really shirty and claim i was unjustly trying to hold onto it
[18:33] <diddledan> eh?
[18:33] <diddledan> that truly is a weird end to grasp
[18:33] <daftykins> i only wanted a scrap of paper with a signature on XD
[18:33] <diddledan> I'm not sure that end was even readily available for grasping
[18:33] <daftykins> he then threatened to get the boss of the boss of the person i was returning it on behalf of
[18:34] <daftykins> at one point i seriously had to double take what i was being told
[18:34] <daftykins> "wat"
[18:34] <intrbiz> I recall when working at the council, I had to sign my life away to get the company credit card (to purchase some RAM), didn't have to sign it back in :(
[18:34] <davmor2> daftykins: there's your problem you wanted them to put their name on paper, but that means it's their fault, they can't do that :)
[18:34] <diddledan> you for the t at the beginning of "wat"
[18:34] <diddledan> forgot**
[18:34]  * daftykins chuckles
[18:35] <Myrtti> none of the computers I've got my hands on can play Cities: Skylines ;______________;
[18:35] <diddledan> aww :-(
[18:36] <MooDoo> evening all
[18:36] <Myrtti> totting up a gaming pc...
[18:36] <davmor2> Myrtti: see how good they are to protect you from that ;)
[18:36] <Myrtti> well, last time this happened we bought a mac mini.
[18:37] <Myrtti> 'unfortunately' mac minis won't do this time.
[18:37] <daftykins> a mac mini would be even less capable than most laptops at running a game?
[18:37] <ali1234> some people just never learn
[18:37] <Myrtti> (last time was in uuueerr... I think 2009)
[18:38] <Myrtti> or 2010
[18:38] <Myrtti> and the game then was Sims 3
[18:39] <daftykins> so not even a worthy title :(
[18:39] <Myrtti> oi, I liked it
[18:40] <Myrtti> I don't game much as you can guess
[18:40] <daftykins> :D
[18:40] <davmor2> Myrtti: you know when you say "Games" :D
[18:40] <Myrtti> ever since I got over my Minecraft addiction consoles have been enough.
[18:40] <daftykins> and yet Minecraft is on consoles too :O
[18:41] <Myrtti> Assassin's Creed and Loco Roco
[18:41] <daftykins> one mate does keep trying to convince me to buy it, but £15 for that? not a chance
[18:41] <Myrtti> sure, wasn't then though
[18:41] <daftykins> yeah, i understand times change
[18:45] <shauno> Myrtti: c:s is a fine excuse for a new machine :)
[18:48] <mapps> chinese time
[18:48] <mapps> ;D
[18:51] <mapps> 50/50 i wont be able to move
[18:51] <mapps> heh
[19:03] <Myrtti> we've been thinking of a new mac mini for a while but this I think broke the camels back. Kinda sad that the mac is probably going. It was a nice media pc.
[19:06] <daftykins> Myrtti: going as in faulty?
[19:06] <Myrtti> daftykins: it's just showing it's age by now, and won't run the game :-|
[19:07] <daftykins> oh right trying to run a game on there, is it one that's been abandoned of OS X updates?
[19:07] <Myrtti> no idea, haven't paid that much attention to it
[19:09] <daftykins> ah, i would think OS updating is a good first step regardless of many things
[19:14] <shauno> the biggest problem tends to be that it (game) doesn't support intel gpus, on any platform
[19:15] <daftykins> yarr
[19:16] <shauno> which kinda rules out the current minis too, unfortunately
[19:17] <Myrtti> exactly
[19:17] <Myrtti> otherwise it would've been a new mac mini
[20:10] <AM_> i created a swap file but i want it to be permanent
[20:10] <AM_> how can i do
[20:14] <popey> AM_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/33697/how-do-i-add-a-swap-partition-after-system-installation
[20:17] <AM_> i add a new line?
[20:18] <elfy> to fstab - yes
[20:19] <elfy> not sure if swap file would be same as partition
[20:19] <elfy> I'd assume so though
[20:19] <AM_> so i type sudo nano /etc/fstab
[20:19] <AM_> and add a new line with UUID=735b3be3-779c-4d21-a944-b033225f3ab4 none   swap    sw      0       0
[20:22] <diddledan> if that is the correct uuid for your partition, then yes
[20:22] <popey> (it isn't)
[20:22] <AM_> it isnt?
[20:22] <popey> its copy pasted from the page
[20:22] <diddledan> then no
[20:22] <popey> the big long string is unique to your partition
[20:23] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/126018/adding-a-new-swap-file-how-to-edit-fstab-to-enable-swap-after-reboot is probably better, sorry
[20:24] <AM_> confused
[20:24] <daftykins> a UUID is unique to your computer :)
[20:24] <daftykins> to your disk partitions, to be more exact
[20:25] <popey> but you said you made a swap _file_ not a partition
[20:25] <popey> hence me linking to the correct one this time
[20:25] <daftykins> i wondered but stayed quiet 8D
[20:25] <diddledan> I wandered.. lonely as a cloud
[20:25] <AM_> i copy all the sudo into terminal?
[20:26] <elfy> AM_: when you made the swap file - what did you call it and where did you put it
[20:26] <diddledan> might be worth reading the instructions rather than grepping for sudo and blindly running it verbatim, but iANAL
[20:27] <AM_> i followed instructions from a website
[20:27] <diddledan> why does everyone and his dog insist on posting endless messages to bug #1268257
[20:27] <diddledan> ?!
[20:28] <diddledan> there's clear instructions at the top to not do that
[20:28] <AM_> me?
[20:28] <elfy> diddledan: it's so it takes an age to load
[20:28] <popey> AM_: no, diddledan is babbling
[20:29] <popey> AM_: what instructions did you follow?
[20:29] <AM_> this link
[20:29] <AM_> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-on-ubuntu-14-04
[20:30] <elfy> that tells you how to make it permanent ...
[20:31] <popey> indeed, in the section marked "Make the Swap File Permanent"
[20:31] <diddledan> why would they put it there of all places?!
[20:31] <diddledan> :-p
[20:31]  * diddledan hides
[20:31] <AM_> did i make the swap permanent afterall?
[20:32] <elfy> if you did that - then yes
[20:33] <AM_> how do i test it to make sure
[20:33] <popey> reboot, run swapon -s, and see if it shows up
[20:33] <diddledan> it'll tell you if you run `free` whether you've got swap, too
[20:36] <AM__> it didnt work
[20:36] <diddledan> eh?
[20:37] <AM__> swap isnt available
[20:37] <elfy> did you actually check fstab?
[20:38] <AM__> eh.... no? How do i do that ^^
[20:41] <elfy> cat /etc/fstab
[20:42] <diddledan> meow :-p
[20:42] <elfy> for sure - one's called mouse the other ratchet
[20:44] <AM__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10663747/
[20:44] <elfy> ummm - why you adding a swapfile when you've got  cryptswap ?
[20:44] <diddledan> cryptswap?!
[20:45] <AM__> i dont know... what is a cryptswap
[20:45] <diddledan> swap that's encrypted
[20:45] <AM__> i didnt know i had one
[20:50] <popey> huh. might have to book 14th april off work
[20:51] <AM__> thats a day before my birthday
[20:52] <popey> GTA 5 PC release date
[20:52] <popey> (currently)
[20:52] <daftykins> popey: maybe the day after too, once the game downloads :D
[20:53] <popey> in theory it'll pre-download
[20:53] <elfy> gah - snorted tea ... thanks daftykins
[20:53] <daftykins> elfy: sorry :D
[20:53] <diddledan> elfy: snorting tea sounds like it should be illegal
[20:53] <elfy> :p
[20:56] <AM__> so eh, how do i make a swap last until my computer either dies or gets thrown away?
[20:57] <popey> you already have swap
[20:57] <popey> what's the output of "swapon -s" ?
[20:57] <AM__> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[20:58] <popey> what if you "sudo swapon -a" ?
[20:58] <AM__> swapon: /dev/mapper/cryptswap1: stat failed: No such file or directory
[20:59] <popey> well. interesting
[20:59] <popey> whats the full story?
[20:59] <popey> did you re-install or install a different distro or something?
[20:59] <AM__> i reinstalled ubuntu
[21:00] <popey> can you pastebin the output of "mount" please?
[21:00] <AM__> do i type mount in terminal
[21:01] <AM__> doesnt look good
[21:01] <AM__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10663864/
[21:03] <popey> ok.
[21:03] <popey> looks fine, and confirms you have encrypted home
[21:04] <AM__> confirmed
[21:04] <popey> probably something prevented swap from mounting
[21:05] <popey> if you run "dmesg | grep swap" do you get something like "could not mount /dev/mapper/cryptswap1"
[21:05] <AM__> i get nothing
[21:06] <popey> hm
[21:06] <popey> can you "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" and pastebin?
[21:07] <AM__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10663889/
[21:09] <popey> thats quite a few partitions you have there
[21:09] <popey> AM__: what happens if you "sudo swapon /dev/sda1" ?
[21:09] <popey> do you have multiple different distros installed?
[21:14] <AM__> no
[21:16] <popey> ok
[21:16] <AM__> did i mess up
[21:17] <popey> 21:09 < popey> AM__: what happens if you "sudo swapon /dev/sda1" ?
[21:17] <elfy> AM__:  when you boot does it ask for encryption password? did you used to have an encrypted install and have reinstalled since?
[21:17] <AM__> swapon: /dev/sda1: read swap header failed: Invalid argument
[21:17] <popey> elfy: it's not an encrypted install
[21:18] <elfy> no - but was there one previously and it's just seeing the old encrytped swap - and not made one for the new install
[21:18] <popey> no
[21:18] <bashrc> will 15.04 ship with unity 8 ?
[21:18] <popey> no
[21:18] <popey> elfy: its encrypted home, not full disk encryption
[21:18] <bashrc> ah ok, but it will have systemd?
[21:18] <popey> yes
[21:18] <AM__> i did tick that box
[21:19] <elfy> mmm okey doke
[21:19] <popey> AM__: so, it sounds like your swap is broken, somehow
[21:19] <AM__> can it be fixed?
[21:20] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/341979/what-to-do-about-the-disk-drive-for-dev-mapper-cryptswap1-is-not-ready-yet-or looks good
[21:21] <AM__> do i follow the steps?
[21:22] <popey> the ones in the first answer look sane
[21:22] <popey> not tried myself
[21:22] <AM__> should i try?
[21:24] <popey> I would
[21:25] <AM__> how do i save a nano again
[21:26] <popey> control x
[21:27] <AM__> thank you
[21:59] <diddledan> that nvidia bug continues to get traffic - another 6 arrived while I was eating food. now someone is suggesting that it's a good idea to download a new kernel from kernel.org and installing the nvidia binary drivers direct from nvidia.com
[22:11] <directhex> linux is plagued by well-meaning noobs giving terrible advice
[22:13] <diddledan> shauno: ansi colouring in osx terminal/iterm. when combined with sudo. how?
[22:14] <diddledan> directhex: aye, but this particular bug seems to be attracting a lot of "still doesn't work" comments
[22:15] <diddledan> IIRC there's over 600 subscribers and most of us are likely to get notified for every message, of which there seem to be an endless supply
[22:15]  * brobostigon wonders if poking a certain networks mast admins, will help things.
[22:16] <diddledan> brobostigon: ?
[22:16] <shauno> diddledan: que?
[22:16] <brobostigon> diddledan: three.
[22:17] <diddledan> shauno: colours work great in my terminal until I sudo
[22:17] <diddledan> shauno: while I'm root I get plain boring grey
[22:17] <shauno> what's $CLICOLOR set to?
[22:18] <diddledan> this is particularly annoying because I have a script which outputs ansi-colors liberally and I see none of them
[22:18] <diddledan> shauno: blank
[22:18] <shauno> hm
[22:18] <m0nkey_> KHURR-CHING!
[22:18] <diddledan> it wouldn't be an issue if I ran the script under my own user but because it needs access to a root-only file I need to sudo
[22:19] <m0nkey_> Tax rebate time :D
[22:19] <diddledan> or rather the script sudos itself
[22:20] <shauno> hm.  well, it works here, so I'm going to assume you've broke something, and recommend you unbroke it :)
[22:20] <diddledan> hmm, maybe it's not sudo that's the issue. the colors are added by sedding after the sudo has tailed the file
[22:21] <diddledan> it's just plain bash that's broke then :-p
[22:23] <diddledan> splefitically this is the line that does the business: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10664356/
[22:23] <brobostigon> directhex: that is why, i wont give my mum and dad, the root password to their won computer, incase they read something, and think they are doing "the right thing2 which they dont udnerstand, but think they do, and ireeperably break what they really dont understand.
[22:23] <shauno> http://cl.ly/image/2N2X0D2L2w2Z  makes pretties here?
[22:24] <diddledan> the ansi codes should already be embedded in the file $LOGFILE
[22:24] <diddledan> although, let me check on that
[22:25] <diddledan> ooh purdy
[22:26] <diddledan> ok, maybe I'm not outputting the codes in the first place
[22:26] <diddledan> hmm
[22:27] <shauno> I thought you said they worked fine under your user though?
[22:28] <diddledan> the script sudo's and I don't get any other colors under root so I assumed
[22:28] <diddledan> e.g. ls is colorless
[22:29] <shauno> force ls with CLICOLOR=1 ls  ?
[22:30] <shauno> (same as in my screenshot.  just to confirm you would see them if they are created.  if that works, then your problem is .. yours :)
[22:30] <diddledan> yeah that works
[22:31] <diddledan> what font is that anywho?
[22:32] <shauno> 'camingocode' apparently.  I have no idea anymore.  my iterm config is older than my laptop
[22:32] <diddledan> camingocode. weird name.
[22:33] <ali1234> directhex: it's also filled with people who aren't noobs and should know better who give terrible advice
[22:33] <ali1234> like the devs i read about today, telling people that signed debs are pointless
[22:34] <diddledan> http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/jan-fromm/camingo-code/
[22:34] <diddledan> ali1234: that's nuts
[23:14] <diddledan> I wonder whether Microsoft's scriptable terminal really does what it says on the tin. I'm referring to PowersHell
[23:15] <diddledan> worse is that often Microsoft suggest that the entire corporate entity is beind such an initiative with phrases such as "Microsoft PowersHell"
[23:16] <diddledan> in related question: how do I change my powershell font to something other than the three in the preferences pane?
[23:22] <diddledan> stabby screwdriver is stabby
[23:22] <diddledan> owie!
[23:22] <diddledan> don't think I broke skin, but still ouch
[23:25] <zmoylan-pi> every time i see someone in a linux channel talk about trying powershell it ends up like this... powershell seems to work ok... 1 week later... oh flip, the horror of powershell...
[23:26] <diddledan> I'm still on the "it's different, but I might figure it out enough to be productive"
[23:27] <diddledan> finding files is weird when you're used to `find` on linux
[23:30] <diddledan> methinks I need to reboot - this build of win10 is unstable
[23:30] <diddledan> through the day it gradually gets more hangy
[23:31] <diddledan> previous build was solid though
[23:31] <diddledan> prolly because I switched-on the fast delivery ring :-p