[04:21] <Kilos> morning peeps
[04:24] <Kilos> ai! this wiki thing
[04:45] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_  
[04:45] <Tonberry_> hi
[05:30] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[05:30] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[05:30] <Jacques_Stry> So we had a bit of a storm last night
[05:30] <Jacques_Stry> DSL at home off again :)
[05:31] <Kilos> ya us 2 but only 2mm rain
[05:31] <Kilos> eish
[05:31] <Kilos> weve had 3 days of storms, inetpro  had no power most of saterday
[05:32] <Jacques_Stry> Good thing i put everything on my IPFire server - switching everything over to wireless was 30 sec
[05:32] <Kilos> no dsl is better than no power at all
[05:32] <Jacques_Stry> true
[05:33] <Kilos> so he loafed all saterday and sunday, now its time to rev him
[05:33] <Jacques_Stry> hehe he's gonna come online with an ai! again
[05:33] <Kilos> rofl
[05:34] <Kilos> either that or he just lurks then comes on and says some of us have work as well
[05:35] <Jacques_Stry> jaja
[05:44] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[05:44] <barrydk> More almal
[05:48] <Jacques_Stry> more
[05:54] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:54] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[05:56] <Jacques_Stry> morning
[06:09] <Kilos> oi wat breek hy nou weer
[06:14] <Kilos> wb inetpro  
[06:16] <Jacques_Stry> Morning Padroni
[06:17] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[06:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:17] <Padroni> Hi Kilos
[06:17] <Padroni> Hi Jacques_Stry
[06:17] <Padroni> how are you ?
[06:17] <Kilos> good ty and you
[06:18] <Padroni> been at work 17 minutes, done a spammer and a phishing site
[06:18] <Padroni> it must be Monday today...
[06:18] <Jacques_Stry> Hehe, good thanks
[06:37] <magespawn> good morning
[06:38] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:39] <Padroni> hi magespawn
[06:39] <Padroni> how are you?
[06:41] <Kilos> ohi magespawn  
[06:46] <Jacques_Stry> 1 month to go 15.04 release
[06:48] <Kilos> sigh
[06:52] <magespawn> hi Padroni good and you/
[06:52] <magespawn> ?
[06:59] <magespawn> i am looking at proxy servers, squid seems to be quite comprehensive, any thoughts people?
[07:03] <Padroni> proxy for?
[07:03] <Padroni> vpn purposes?
[07:03] <Padroni> or caching?
[07:04] <magespawn> caching and usage control
[07:08] <inetpro> dankie Kilos
[07:08] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[07:13] <Squirm> morning
[07:13] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[07:20] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[07:38] <Jacques_Stry> I would very much propose squid. Most firewall dist etc. use it
[07:39] <Jacques_Stry> what is the environment you want it for?
[07:42] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[07:43] <Padroni> We use Untangle for Firewall / VPN purposes
[07:43] <Padroni> all I can say is it works.
[07:43] <Padroni>  as to how good vs Squid, I can't say
[07:43] <Jacques_Stry> same here - haven't really tested untangle
[07:45] <Jacques_Stry> but if you want bandwidth monitoring per user then go for untangle - squid not really meant for that
[07:47] <Jacques_Stry> Problem is untangle is expensive
[07:48] <magespawn> thanks Jacques_Stry, i think i will use squid for now, and also set up something like cacti
[07:52] <magespawn> thanks Padroni 
[07:53] <magespawn> Jacques_Stry: the company has various internet connections, all running on the same capped account, i am looking to reduce, monitor and control the usage
[07:56] <Jacques_Stry> A combination of squid and cacti should work then. Just gonna be quite the config :)
[08:04] <Jacques_Stry> I see IPFire has a Cacti addon available - so then you have squid, webblocker etc. already configured
[08:04] <Jacques_Stry> magespawn: http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/addons/cacti/start
[08:07] <magellanic> look into ipcop maybe as well, it is an all-in-one distro for that type of thing
[08:07] <Jacques_Stry> lol same thing about - ipfire is based on ipcop
[08:08] <magellanic> ah :)
[08:08] <magellanic> one thing I haven't seen in ipcop, is bandiwdth shaping tools, but maybe I haven't looked enough
[08:09] <Jacques_Stry> ipfire you can but you have to do it via QOS rules
[08:28] <magespawn> i am not too concerned about shaping, just need to monitor, to see who is using what, at the moment
[08:38] <barrydk> magespawn: I use a clearos server for the same thing
[08:41] <magespawn> thanks barrydk i'll take a look
[08:41] <Padroni> clearos is pretty
[08:41] <Padroni> I had that on one of my eeebox pc's once
[08:41] <Padroni> oh wait
[08:42] <Padroni> I am thinking of something else
[08:42] <Padroni> oh wait - yes
[08:42] <Padroni> it IS clearos, hehe
[08:42] <Padroni> I like their site - it's pretty
[08:42] <magespawn> barrydk: are you using the community or professional/
[08:43] <barrydk> community, 
[08:43] <Jacques_Stry> haven't used but yes their site is pretty *sparkles* :)
[08:43] <magespawn> lol
[08:44] <barrydk> It is verry stable 
[08:44] <Jacques_Stry> i'll load it up on a VM tonight and check it out
[08:46] <barrydk> For a dum oak like me it is very user friendly to setup and it does what i want
[09:01] <Padroni> jaaaaaak
[09:01] <Padroni> kyk 
[09:01] <Padroni> jou
[09:01] <Padroni> pvt
[09:01] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[09:06] <magespawn> thanks for the input, chat later all
[10:19] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry  
[10:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:13] <jacques_> ic connection dropped while I was gone
[11:14] <Kilos> lol
[11:24] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez  
[11:25] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[11:25] <Kilos> lol whats broken
[11:25] <arnaudmez> nothing 
[11:25] <Kilos> hows things by you arnaudmez  
[11:26] <Kilos> you getting too good now man
[11:26] <arnaudmez> except I'm fighting to get my exchange account to work on evolution
[11:27] <Kilos> you need to explaint hat to me
[11:27] <Kilos> i have evo on my pc
[11:29] <arnaudmez> Okay
[11:29] <arnaudmez> I've setup my personal Laptop with Mint 17 and everything works like a charm
[11:29] <Kilos> ok
[11:30] <arnaudmez> but left I need to setup my company mailbox which sits on an exchange server
[11:30] <arnaudmez> all was added (mapi, etc... ) but still it's not working like expected
[11:31] <arnaudmez> in fact it's not working
[11:31] <Kilos> oh you having probs pointing evo to the server
[11:31] <Kilos> wbb
[11:32] <arnaudmez> Yebo
[11:32] <Kilos> ok back
[11:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:34] <Kilos> is the server not blocking it?
[11:35] <Kilos> firewall or something
[11:39] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[11:40] <jacques_> arnaudmez: Well I have never attempted this myself but if Evo fails you could try the ExQuilla addon for thunderbird. https://exquilla.zendesk.com/home
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[11:43] <arnaudmez> thunderbird you said, i thought that blue bird was shooted months ago
[11:43] <Kilos> thunderbird i a mail client
[11:43] <Kilos> is
[11:44] <Kilos> like evolution
[11:44] <arnaudmez> I know that bird carying mails bro
[11:44] <arnaudmez> I prefer to walk on Evo
[11:44] <Kilos> lol
[11:44] <Kilos> me too
[11:45] <arnaudmez> I think i've got an answer here, my mint uses Evo 3.10 and it looks like Evo-ews or Evo-mapi 3.10 doesn't fully support Exchange functions
[11:45] <Kilos> aha
[11:47] <jacques_> Evo works well for me but that interface is just SIESA! to me
[12:20] <inetpro> not only is the evo interface yuck it is even bloated as well... or was, when I used it last
[12:21] <inetpro> the blue bird keeps flying despite a lack of development resources at Mozilla
[12:21] <Kilos> sigh
[12:21] <Kilos> evo is lekker
[12:22] <Kilos> peeps say kde is bloated but that dont stop you using it
[12:32] <inetpro> evo is a hog
[12:32] <inetpro> kde performs top notch all the time
[12:32] <Kilos> hee hee you havent tried it in a long time
[12:33] <inetpro> and thunderbird on top of kde allows me to stay productive as ever
[12:33] <Kilos> try first then comment again
[12:33] <Kilos> i give up
[12:33] <Kilos> again
[12:34] <inetpro> eish!
[12:35] <inetpro> and evo reminds me of novell, yuck!
[12:38] <Kilos> inetpro  fixit
[12:38] <inetpro> fix what?
[12:38] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[12:39] <Kilos> i dunno if it a space or carriage return or what makes that prob
[12:39] <Kilos> we been there before
[12:39] <Kilos> wont you please add a few empty lines
[12:40] <Kilos> his lp id is jan-verslank
[12:40] <Kilos> asseblief boetie
[12:41] <Kilos> hi psyatw  
[12:42] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[12:56] <Kilos> that is a daunting exercise for many and worse for me, but with empty lines ill manage im sure
[13:04] <inetpro> ai!
[13:04] <Kilos> hee hee
[13:10] <inetpro> Kilos: why is it so difficult to add '|| ' in front of a line?
[13:15] <Kilos> ai!
[13:15] <Kilos> i thought i did
[13:15] <Kilos> sorry sir
[13:16] <Kilos> i even had his join date in head at the time, now thats gone too
[13:16] <Kilos> grrr
[13:17] <Kilos> well at least now you have a sense of being needed
[13:31] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[13:31] <kulelu88> hello
[13:31] <Kilos> and smile  
[13:31] <smile> hi :D
[13:53] <Kilos> inetpro  ty very much
[13:54] <inetpro> uh, what did I break?
[13:54] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[13:54]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[13:54] <Kilos> you fixed it man
[13:54] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[13:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[13:55] <inetpro> Kilos: did you get more rain last night 
[13:55] <inetpro> ?
[13:55] <Kilos> 2mm
[13:55] <Kilos> total so far 11mm
[13:55] <inetpro> so you didn't get much this weekend?
[13:55] <Kilos> you got 18mm the first day
[13:55] <Kilos> nope
[13:55] <inetpro> 18 + 10
[13:55] <Kilos> 4+5
[13:56]  * inetpro very glad we got that
[13:56] <inetpro> was extremely dry already
[13:56] <Kilos> ya even the little helped some here
[13:56] <Kilos> very bad
[13:57] <Kilos> worst one still coming
[13:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[14:03] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[14:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:20] <kulelu88> electricity prices going up
[15:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:44] <Kilos> if i didnt as yet ohi superfly  this is it
[17:11] <Mopkop> Hello...
[17:22] <Kilos> hello Mopkop  
[17:22] <Kilos> hows moppie tonigh
[17:22] <Kilos> t
[17:23] <Mopkop> Baie om voor dankbaar te wees! And you?
[17:24] <Kilos> ook net so dankie, miskien meer as jy even
[17:24] <Kilos> ek is gereboot sodat ek julle almal kon leer ken
[17:25] <Mopkop> Ek verstaan nie?
[17:26] <Kilos> man ek was dooi en weer terug gestuur
[17:26] <Kilos> thats why ek so dom is
[17:27] <Mopkop> Ek dink ek verstaan...
[17:27] <Kilos> hehe
[17:27] <Mopkop> Wel ek is bly oom is met ons.
[17:27] <Kilos> dankie seun
[17:27] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit met jou project
[17:27] <Kilos> taak ding
[17:28] <Mopkop> Ugh, stadig. Ek moet alles op die rekenaar doen, en dan word my aandag die heeltyd afgetrek :(
[17:28] <Kilos> maak dit klaar
[17:28] <Mopkop> Facebook, en Youtube en wie weet wat nog.
[17:29] <Kilos> sit af daai goed
[17:29] <Mopkop> Ek sal, wil net gou eers....
[17:29] <Mopkop> Ok :)
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Kilos> se net vir almal sorry got a site to build when project is done
[17:33] <Kilos> dis als in jou hande nou
[18:05] <Mopkop> I just got a very bright idea. I always get these Ideas when I'm supposed to be working. Why not build a site locally using Joomla or Wordpress, then wget the entire site to get the static html pages. And then just FTP the output to the server? This way you can make very fast sites using Wordpress or Joomla.
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <Mopkop> I just tried it with a Joomla site I built and it works perfectly :)
[18:06] <Kilos> you already know the answer to that
[18:07] <Mopkop> Kilos: No, I don't?
[18:07] <Kilos> you are supposed to be doing a project
[18:07] <Kilos> the answer is to build it with bzr and nikola
[18:07] <Mopkop> O yes, back to crises intervention....
[18:08] <Mopkop> Yes I know for the Ubuntu sites. I just thought that this would be a good idea in general. 
[18:08] <Mopkop> Kilos: You have a website using wordpress, don't you?
[18:08] <Kilos> it might be for another site but concentrate on your project 
[18:08] <Kilos> no
[18:09] <Kilos> wordpress is a pain in my ....
[18:09] <Kilos> stupid thing doesnt recognise my password
[18:10] <Mopkop> Stupid wordpress. Back to assignment...
[18:11] <Kilos> lol good boy
[18:21] <kulelu88> wordpress is 2004
[18:26] <kulelu88> but pays the bills :P
[18:28] <Kilos> i went there to look at something else but had to register before it let me in and now the onlu way i can get in is from the link in the email they sent me
[18:28] <Kilos> now im not interested anymore
[18:28] <Kilos> wb Jacques_StrY  
[18:28] <Jacques_StrY> Hi
[18:39] <inetpro> Mopkop: https://etherpad.net/p/Ubuntu_Africa
[18:39] <inetpro> good evening
[18:39] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[18:42] <Kilos> wow inetpro  you just typed just start typing and he?
[18:42] <Kilos> how did i see that
[18:43] <Kilos> is that in pm?
[18:43] <superfly> ohi
[18:44] <Kilos> lol
[18:44] <Mopkop> Hello superfly!
[18:44] <Mopkop> Kilos: It's in the broweser on Etherpad.
[18:44] <Mopkop> browser 
[18:45] <Kilos> no man i read that
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: you on KDE?
[18:45] <Kilos> oh you mean there is a chat thing too?
[18:45] <Kilos> yes superfly  
[18:45] <Kilos> for a year now
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: do you have a little icon of a pair of scissors in your system tray? (where all your notifications are)
[18:46] <Kilos> yes
[18:46] <superfly> Kilos: right-click on it, and click "Configure"
[18:47] <superfly> under "clipboard history size", type in "2048"
[18:47] <superfly> Then, click on "Shortcuts" on the left
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: we've used this before
[18:47] <captine> evening all... 
[18:47] <superfly> then click on "Open Klipper at Mouse Position"
[18:47] <captine> anyone got a good tool to connect to ms sql servers from ubuntu... or to DB2 databases?
[18:48] <Kilos> i cant
[18:48] <superfly> Kilos: ?
[18:48] <captine> ms sql driver for odbc and linux is for redhat specifically....
[18:48] <Kilos> in configure klipboard history size in cant type in there
[18:49] <Kilos> it goes t 2010
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: that'll do
[18:49] <superfly> captine: I last worked with MS over 10 years ago. Sorry
[18:50] <Mopkop> captine, maybe there is a jdbc for mssql?
[18:50] <Kilos> it to 2048 by up arrow
[18:50] <superfly> Kilos: great
[18:50] <superfly> Kilos: now, click on "Shortcuts" on the left
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: then click on "Open Klipper at Mouse Position"
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: then click on "Custom"
[18:51] <superfly> Then click on the button
[18:51] <captine> Mopkop, looking at squirrel sql
[18:51] <captine> superfly, you fortunate
[18:51] <superfly> then press, Ctrl+Shift+V
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: then click OK
[18:52] <Kilos> what happened
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: did you do all of that?
[18:52] <Jacques_StrY> captine: from what I remember you still use the red hat one just a bit of a more complicated install
[18:52] <Jacques_StrY> http://codesynthesis.com/~boris/blog/2011/12/02/microsoft-sql-server-odbc-driver-linux/
[18:52] <Kilos>  Ctrl+Shift+V didnt show any action
[18:53] <superfly> Kilos: did you try to type or, or did you press those keys?
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> captine: it's a old blog post but should still work
[18:53] <Kilos> just pressed those keys
[18:53] <Kilos> then ticked ok
[18:53] <superfly> Kilos: OK, press Ctrl+Shift+V now
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> captine: more up to date - http://onefinepub.com/2014/03/installing-unixodbc-2-3-2-higher-ubuntu-12-04-lts/
[18:53] <superfly> Kilos: Just anywhere
[18:54] <Kilos> nothing
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: ai. did you follow my steps properly?
[18:54] <Kilos> sjoe i think so
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: you saw the list of shortcuts, right?
[18:54] <Kilos> yes
[18:54] <superfly> and you clicked on "Open Klipper..." right?
[18:54] <Kilos> and ticked custom
[18:55] <superfly> Kilos: you missed a step
[18:55] <superfly> >> and you clicked on "Open Klipper..." right?
[18:55] <Kilos> no
[18:56] <Kilos> where is open klipper
[18:56] <superfly> in the list of shortcuts
[18:57] <Kilos> in custom the button is on none
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: http://pbrd.co/1C5gfyv
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: then click on it
[18:57] <Kilos> it shows input
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: and then press Ctrl+Shift+V
[18:58] <superfly> Kilos: it will ask you if you want to Reassign the shortcut, and you click "Yes"
[18:58] <Kilos> ooo i saw funny stuffs now
[18:59] <superfly> what did you see?
[18:59] <Kilos> white squares with lots black stuffs in them
[19:00] <Kilos> oi now in browser is also configure klipper
[19:00] <superfly> Kilos: yes, that's mine. Did you make your screen look like mine?
[19:01] <Kilos> browser icon show pasteboard
[19:01] <Kilos> let me compare them
[19:01] <superfly> Kilos: yes, because I used pasteboard to upload the screenshot of MY configuration so that you can see what yours is supposed to look like
[19:02] <Kilos> ya looks same
[19:03] <superfly> GreaT
[19:03] <superfly> Kilos: now, if you press Ctrl+Shift+V a menu will open up
[19:03] <Kilos> yay now it asked to reasitgn
[19:03] <superfly> great
[19:04] <superfly> click OK to save it
[19:04] <Kilos> done
[19:06] <Kilos> cool ty superfly  
[19:06] <superfly> Kilos: go select a few things, click "Ctrl+C" and then after doing that a few times, press Ctrl+Shift+V
[19:06] <Mopkop> Hay guys, still having problem with nikola.
[19:06] <Mopkop> This is what is looks like on my computer: http://pbrd.co/1C5hqhv
[19:06] <superfly> Mopkop: which version of Nikola
[19:06] <captine> hi all.  anyone hear bout this?  https://documentfreedom.org/
[19:07] <Mopkop> Nikola v7.3.1
[19:07] <Kilos> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14369/change-or-reset-windows-password-from-a-ubuntu-live-cd/
[19:07] <Kilos> haha
[19:07] <superfly> Mopkop: and you ran "nikola build" and then "nikola serve" ?
[19:08] <Mopkop> superfly: Yes.
[19:09] <superfly> Mopkop: works for me. try deleting your "cache" and "output" directories
[19:09] <Mopkop> If I go to the live site and copy-paste the JavaScript in the footer into the footer in my local site and create the corresponding script in the assets folder. It works perfectly.
[19:09] <inetpro> captine: yes, DFD has been ongoing for a few years already 
[19:09] <Mopkop> Let met try that...
[19:09] <superfly> Mopkop: also, did you do a "bzr up" in trunk?
[19:09] <inetpro> captine: but I forgot about it to be honest
[19:10] <Mopkop> is it the same as bzr update? then yes.
[19:11] <superfly> yeah, just shorthand
[19:11] <Mopkop> Nope, still the same problem :(
[19:11] <captine> inetpro, cool.  I sent to our IT team... held back on comments about open standards.... big microsoft lovers... :)
[19:13] <inetpro> captine: remember to mention it in our meeting tomorrow
[19:13] <superfly> Mopkop: open up the dev console, refresh, and tell me if you see any errors
[19:13] <inetpro> in fact maybe even get a few people to talk about it before the meeting already and tell us in the meeting what you guys are planning :-)
[19:14] <superfly> Mopkop: bzr revno definitely says "2" ?
[19:14] <Kilos> and add it to the agenda maybe
[19:15] <Mopkop> superfly: What is the dev console?  Yes it says 2.
[19:16] <superfly> Mopkop: right-click on the page and click on "Inspect Element (Q)"
[19:16] <Mopkop> O, that...
[19:16] <Kilos> oh superfly  doesnt he have to be in the dev group?
[19:16] <superfly> Kilos: dis iets anders
[19:16] <Kilos> o ok
[19:16] <Mopkop> superfly: Nope, all clear.
[19:17] <Mopkop> And all the buttons there are selected, CSS JS Net and so on.
[19:17] <Mopkop> This is the source: http://bin.snyman.info/cjcwr
[19:17] <captine> Kilos, that link uses 9.10.  you think it is still applicable for newer Windows versions?
[19:17] <superfly> Mopkop: my guess is that you actually have a security setting that is True where mine is False, but I can't remember the name of that setting, so I can't go and disable it in my browser. Which is why it works for me
[19:18] <Kilos> let me go see captine  
[19:19] <Kilos> you talking about the frredom day link?
[19:19] <Kilos> freedom
[19:19] <superfly> Mopkop: weird, that's not right.
[19:19] <Mopkop> superfly: Yes, this line is missing: <script src="/assets/js/all-nocdn.js"></script>
[19:20] <Mopkop> If I add it and the all-nocdn.js file it works.
[19:20] <superfly> Mopkop: it's not just that. you have 3 files, where I have one
[19:21] <superfly> Mopkop: what's the output of "cat themes/ubuntuafrica/bundles" ?
[19:21] <Mopkop> Yes, I noticed that too. It is like that in the raw Nikola code, not just in the output. Which is why I thought bzr is not getting the right code.
[19:21] <Mopkop> Let me see...
[19:22] <Mopkop> assets/css/all-nocdn.css=bootstrap.css,bootstrap-theme.css,rst.css,code.css,colorbox.css,theme.css,custom.css
[19:22] <Mopkop> assets/css/all.css=rst.css,code.css,colorbox.css,theme.css,custom.css
[19:22] <Mopkop> assets/js/all-nocdn.js=jquery.min.js,bootstrap.min.js,jquery.colorbox-min.js,theme.js
[19:22] <Mopkop> assets/js/all.js=jquery.colorbox-min.js,theme.js
[19:22] <superfly> Mopkop: ai. no pastie!
[19:22] <superfly> Mopkop: that's why we have paste bins
[19:22] <Mopkop> Sorry...
[19:22] <superfly> OK, that's right
[19:22] <superfly> so it looks like your CDN setting is wrong
[19:23] <Mopkop> Where do I change it?
[19:23] <superfly> Mopkop: ahaaaa, I think I know what the problem is
[19:24] <Mopkop> Yes?
[19:24] <superfly> Mopkop: sudo apt-get install python-webassets
[19:24] <captine> Kilos, i was referring to you resetting windows password link
[19:24] <Mopkop> I tried to pip that last night, but let me try apt-get
[19:24] <Kilos> oh captine  i did it with 14.04
[19:24] <superfly> Mopkop: don't pip unless you *have* to
[19:24] <Kilos> worked kiff
[19:25] <Mopkop> python-webassets is already the newest version
[19:25] <Mopkop> Let met try to reinstall
[19:27] <Mopkop> Nope, still the same problem :(
[19:27] <superfly> Mopkop: last line of defense, find the "USE_BUNDLES" setting in conf.py, uncomment it and set it to True (with a capital T)
[19:28] <Mopkop> Ok...
[19:28] <superfly> in my version of Nikola, it defaults to True
[19:28] <superfly> it might have changed
[19:28] <superfly> Mopkop: oh, do you have the Python 2 or 3 version of Nikola running?
[19:29] <superfly> try installing python3-webassets
[19:29] <Mopkop> superfly: not sure. I use that pyenv thing.
[19:29] <Mopkop> Maaz nikola
[19:29] <Maaz> http://bin.snyman.info/npcn4
[19:29] <captine> weird.  Skype on Linux works at home, but didnt connect at work... thought skype got thru any firewall... lol.  esp considering it works on Windows at the office.
[19:29] <superfly> pyenv or virtualenv? 
[19:29] <inetpro> $ python --version
[19:29] <inetpro> Python 2.7.6
[19:29] <captine> Kilos, and which Windows version? xp, 7, 8?
[19:30] <Kilos> 7
[19:30] <Mopkop> pyenv
[19:30] <Mopkop> Python 2.7.6
[19:30] <superfly> inetpro: negatory
[19:30] <superfly> inetpro: Nikola comes in both 2 and 3 flavours, just running that command does not tell you which version of Python Nikola is using
[19:32] <inetpro> superfly: I don't have Python 3 installed 
[19:32] <inetpro> just saying mine workd with Python 2.7.6
[19:32] <inetpro> works as well
[19:34] <Mopkop> This is the code in base.tmpl
[19:34] <Mopkop> http://bin.snyman.info/gczsk
[19:35] <smile> bye :)
[19:35] <smile> good night! :D
[19:35] <Kilos> night smile  
[19:35] <Mopkop> Night Night smile!
[19:35] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:38] <superfly> Mopkop: that's right
[19:39] <Kilos> superfly  how come i saw your klipper thing and didnt have to go to the link?
[19:39] <superfly> Kilos: because you don't remember clicking on the link
[19:39] <Mopkop> Hmm, then it must be a compile error in Nikola
[19:39] <Kilos> oh
[19:40] <Mopkop> Let' see...
[19:41] <inetpro> Mopkop, superfly: I know what it is
[19:41] <Mopkop> Yes?
[19:41] <superfly> inetpro: wat is dit?
[19:41] <inetpro> I updated my pyenv and plugins/pyenv-virtualenv/
[19:42] <inetpro> now also getting the same problem
[19:42] <Mopkop> Ah.
[19:42] <inetpro> did a 'git pull' on each of them
[19:42] <inetpro> not sure which one breaks it
[19:43] <superfly> nou ja, you want to use some dudes untested piece of code
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <superfly> You see why I say, "just stick with  virtualenv"?
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: where's the sjambok?
[19:44] <inetpro> and where's stickyboy?
[19:45] <Kilos> hahaha 
[19:45] <Kilos> he has gone to the states for 2 weeks i think
[19:45] <Mopkop> So I just pip virtualenv?
[19:45] <superfly> no, sudo apt-get install virtualenv
[19:45] <Kilos> remind me to rev him when he gets back
[19:46] <superfly> then "virtualenv --system-site-packages ~/virtualenv"
[19:46] <superfly> then "~/virtualenv/bin/pip install nikola"
[19:46] <Mopkop> E: Unable to locate package virtualenv
[19:46] <Mopkop> Do I need a ppa?
[19:46] <superfly> no, sudo apt-get install python-virtualenv
[19:46] <superfly> my mistake, sorry, trying to do 3 things at once here
[19:47] <Mopkop> Oh, I already have it. Lol
[19:50] <Jacques_StrY> night all
[19:50] <Mopkop> Night Jacques_StrY!
[19:51] <Mopkop> So how do I use virtualenv?
[19:51] <superfly> [21:46:16] <superfly> then "virtualenv --system-site-packages ~/virtualenv"
[19:51] <superfly> [21:46:30] <superfly> then "~/virtualenv/bin/pip install nikola"
[19:52] <Mopkop> and then nikola will work? So I don't need to activate anyting?
[19:52] <Mopkop> But now I get Nikola version 6.2.1
[19:53] <superfly> ~/virtualenv/bin/pip install --upgrade nikola
[19:55] <Mopkop> Upgrading....
[19:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:00]  * inetpro deleted ~/.pyenv/versions/Nikola/ and started a fresh pyenv virtualenv Nikola
[20:00] <inetpro> I see the image now
[20:01] <inetpro> so I'm not convinced any more... maybe I just missed something else
[20:02] <inetpro> following my instructions at https://trello.com/c/hRfmh5Kd works fine
[20:02] <Mopkop> Now I get a bunch of errors when I build :(
[20:02] <inetpro> but superfly I hear what you say about trusting other people's code
[20:03] <Mopkop> inetpro: I tried following it to the letter, but I get errors when I try to pip install webassets
[20:03] <inetpro> Mopkop: what errors?
[20:04] <inetpro> pastebin it
[20:04] <inetpro> I might have left out another dependancy 
[20:04] <Mopkop> O wait sudo....
[20:05] <Mopkop> :(
[20:05] <inetpro> uh?
[20:06] <Mopkop> A lot of these: warning: no previously-included files matching 'out.css' found under directory 'examples'
[20:06] <superfly> Mopkop: no! don't sudo pip!
[20:06] <Mopkop> Oops...
[20:07] <superfly> sudo pip forces pip to install external packages into your system python, where your package manager has no idea what's going on
[20:07] <superfly> sudo pip is bad
[20:07] <superfly> you need to use the pip from inside your virtualenv
[20:07] <Mopkop> Ah, maybe that's how I broke it in the first place....
[20:07] <superfly> and in this case you don't even need to do that
[20:07] <inetpro> ai!
[20:07] <superfly> because you already installed webassets via your package manager
[20:08] <superfly> ~/virtualenv/bin/pip
[20:08] <superfly> no sudo
[20:10] <Mopkop> Requirement already up-to-date
[20:10] <Mopkop> Does virtualenv also have an activate command like pyenv?
[20:15] <superfly> pyenv is just a (bad) wrapper around virtualenv
[20:16] <Mopkop> But I don't get how to run nikola from virtualenv?
[20:18] <superfly> ~/virtualenv/bin/nikola
[20:19] <Mopkop> ah, was looking at that...
[20:19] <Mopkop> How do you set an alias again?
[20:19] <superfly> Python? ~/virtualenv/bin/python
[20:19] <superfly> ln -s <source> <target>
[20:20] <Mopkop> Yay it works now!
[20:21] <Mopkop> Thank you superfly and inetpro. I know  you are very busy.
[20:28] <Mopkop> Ok good night all. And thank you for all the help!
[20:32] <kulelu88> you don't need virtualenv anymore with docker
[20:34] <inetpro> kulelu88: maybe you need to help us with docker a bit 
[20:34] <inetpro> but not now
[20:37] <superfly> kulelu88: with something small like nikola for building a site, docker is overkill
[20:38] <kulelu88> no problem inetpro . I am working on a docker-workflow. I am so far setup with ubuntu + python. Next I'm building basic onion layers like django, flask, etc.
[20:38] <kulelu88> superfly: true, but Docker keeps the base system clean. Having many extra libs on your base install is unnecessary 
[20:38] <inetpro> superfly: but docker is supposed to simplify things
[20:39] <superfly> inetpro: when you're running servers, sure
[20:39] <superfly> kulelu88: two packages is hardly "many extra"
[20:40] <kulelu88> superfly: are there any ubuntu-level libs required?
[20:41] <superfly> kulelu88: for nikola? only python-virtualenv and python-webassets - the rest goes into the virtualenv
[20:41] <kulelu88> so nothing below? Like a C package, etc.
[20:41] <superfly> no
[20:42] <superfly> at least, not as far as I know.
[20:42] <kulelu88> yeah then docker isn't necessary
[20:42] <kulelu88> although still useful if many of you are using Nikola for the same site
[20:42] <superfly> yeah, I don't do the "C-extensions in your virtualenv" thing
[20:42] <inetpro> ideally this pyenv thingamajig should be packaged and easier to use for newbies
[20:43] <kulelu88> superfly: I don't think virtualenv allows for that
[20:43] <superfly> inetpro: from my perspective, pyenv only makes things more complicated
[20:43] <kulelu88> it only isolates py stuff
[20:43] <superfly> kulelu88: it does, as long as you have the build tools available
[20:44] <superfly> kulelu88: apparently you can pip install mod_wsgi
[20:44] <superfly> kulelu88: it just puts it all in your virtualenv instead of in your system
[20:44] <superfly> anyway, bed time for me
[20:45] <superfly> got all my AngularJS tests passing
[20:45] <inetpro> superfly: true, it does more than what we really need
[20:45] <superfly> \o/
[20:45] <kulelu88> wow, I didn't know this
[20:45] <kulelu88> tc superfly 
[20:46] <superfly> night all! have fun storming the castle!
[20:46] <inetpro> yep, sleep is needed
[20:46] <inetpro> good night superfly
[21:26] <Kilos> sjoe i fell asleep
[21:26] <Kilos> night all sleep tight