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ahoneybunovidiu-florin: all done04:04
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: ping04:53
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: pong05:51
sitterRiddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/ still broken08:38
sittersgclark: the archive and stable branches of breeze, plasma-addons, kio-extras, muon, oxygen are also still broken08:40
Riddellhttp://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libreoffice.png ta da09:56
soeenice110:01
Riddellahoneybun: as docs person fancy giving a UI exception approval (or not) to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764 ?10:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1435764 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FFe UI exception for LibreOffice Breeze Icons" [Undecided,New]10:08
ScottKRiddell: Would you please get Bjorn (the LO maintainer) to ack your FFe for the Breeze icons.  As long as he is good with it, I think it should go ahead.10:10
RiddellScottK: ah yes I knew I forgot to subscribe someone10:14
soeethis is how for me loading screen should slook :) very very simple yet nice http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-Based-SuperX-3-0-Distro-Promises-to-Deliver-an-Awesome-KDE-Experience-Screenshot-Tour-476552.shtml#sgal_110:35
soeeare there many distros based on kubuntu ?10:36
KDDAmmm turned on computer this morning and cant get kontact to work10:36
KDDAAkonadi server not running10:36
KDDAbut it is10:36
Riddellsoee: dddd10:38
Riddellsoee: ooh nice10:38
Riddellmparillo: how about a wire article about superx? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-Based-SuperX-3-0-Distro-Promises-to-Deliver-an-Awesome-KDE-Experience-Screenshot-Tour-476552.shtml#sgal_110:39
KDDAthe main error which catches my attention is "Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus"10:39
Riddellmparillo: bshah on #kde-devel knows more about it10:39
KDDAhas Kubuntu moved away from D-Bus?10:39
Riddellsoee: yeah there's a few derived distros, I think it's a good thing to have, it's a shame ubuntu try to restrict them10:39
soeehm gwenview gone mad and cant open images10:39
soeeLoading ‘test.jpg’ failed Gwenview cannot display documents of type image/jpeg.10:40
RiddellKDDA: nope nothing changed there.  it's possible systemd is causing problems (it's just the main changing factor recently) or it's possible akonadi is being itself10:40
soeei think this is after todays updates10:40
RiddellKDDA: no akonadi problems for me10:40
mparilloRiddell: Sure thing. Getting ready to test Beta 2 now: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/336/builds10:40
KDDAwell I install owncloud which uses MySQL10:40
Riddellmparillo: nice :)10:40
KDDAI love Kontact but this Akonadi magic is beyond me10:41
soeecan someone confirm that gwenview opens images for him (vivid, latets updates)10:42
mparilloRiddell: How can I remove test cases: Live (netbook). Last time, I faild it, and I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1425193 but it is still there10:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1425193 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Plasma-netbook is not ported to Plasma 5" [Undecided,New]10:42
Riddellmparillo: probably easiest to ask stgraber as site admin? you could ask if you could become admin yourself then you could tidy them all up10:43
mparilloOn ubuntu-release?10:44
mparilloNice tour of Super-X. It reminds me of NetRunner.10:45
yofelKDDA: I'm having akonadi troubles too (using the system mysql db which doesn't seem to like systemd)10:48
yofelseems like mysqld is stuck in post-start o.O10:48
kfunksoee: yeah. opens .pngs just fine here10:50
Riddellmparillo: just asking on irc as a start would get it going10:51
KDDAyofel: it is running, but not registered10:52
yofelKDDA: does 'akonadictl restart' give you an error?10:52
KDDAnot running10:53
yofelo.O10:53
yofelstart?10:53
KDDAeak10:53
KDDA Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error)10:53
KDDAvery helpful error message10:53
KDDA"akonadiserver" crashed too often and will not be restarted! 10:54
yofelKDDA: can you pastebin the whole log?10:56
KDDAnot at the moment10:56
KDDAdownloading a new kernel10:56
KDDA3.19.010:57
yofelah, it could be that it fails to start because it is in fact already running as you said (so mysql can't open the db twice)10:58
soeekfunk: ok thank you for checking10:58
yofel2a01:238:432c:7f00:762d:767d:14d:3a4711:00
yofeloops, ignore that11:00
KDDAneed to reboot11:04
sitterhasn't 5.2.2 been uploaded to the archive?11:10
sitterapparently not11:12
sitterooh well11:12
KDDAyofel: Im getting a mysqld got signal 11 11:14
yofelis there an instance running right now?11:15
KDDAdoesnt seem to be11:17
KDDAIve removed owncloud11:17
yofelsignal 11 doesn't really tell anything without the error message... 11:17
Riddelloh someone said that mysql broke last night11:17
KDDARiddell: yes its definately broken!11:19
yofelmy system instance is pretty broken here, but that looks like a systemd thing. I don't have a user instance11:20
mparillositter: The Beta 2 RC is still at 5.2.1 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/336/builds11:21
gordon_i still wish that someone will port libreoffice to qt11:22
KDDAyofel: what version of mysql is installed?11:22
yofel5.6, I got the upgrade yesterday which was fun because the automatic schema upgrade failed...11:23
BluesKajHowdy folks11:23
yofelhey11:23
KDDAyeah its 5.6 seems to be breaking my system too11:23
QuintasanRiddell: So, I'm supposed to make a proposal as well, do we have anything other than ubiquity?11:27
RiddellQuintasan: I added porting libreoffice to qt511:28
Riddellit's going to be lots of fun11:28
yofellol11:28
QuintasanI think ubiquity is more critical than LibreOffice11:28
Riddellyep, just some else has put in a proposal for that11:29
Riddelland since there's only 30 applications and we typically get 40 slots I guess we'll get them all11:29
QuintasanHmm, I wanted to work on that11:40
RiddellQuintasan: you can send in your application and see who wins11:42
QuintasanI guess I'm going to send in two11:43
QuintasanRiddell: This would be esentially a rewrite?11:43
RiddellQuintasan: of ubiquity or libreoffice?11:43
Quintasanubiquity and some plasma stuff I guess11:43
Riddellubiquity doesn't need a rewrite, it's probably a pretty simple port11:44
sitterplasma?11:44
soeehmm why muon updater is so slowe when checking updates, compared to apt update it taks much longer to do cheks11:44
sittersoee: how do you measure that?11:45
Quintasansitter: There are some plasma related project proposals on the wiki11:46
sitteralso muon is slightly slower because it also checks updates for newstuff (widgets, wallpapers, comics, whatnot)11:46
soeesitter: well i just see when it informes me that there are or not updates11:46
sitterprobably the newstuff then11:46
sitterI don't think there is very sophisticated caching behind that, so querying for updates always entails resolving a bunch of http resources11:47
sitterRiddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/ still broken11:48
soeesitter: ok maybe false alaram, i checked again via cli and it was slow to11:49
soeemight be related to yesterday net provider problems in pl11:49
Riddellsitter: pushed fix11:50
sitterどうも11:51
Quintasankek11:51
soee@ #kubuntu someone knows about it: [12:38] <LINKSWORD2> I understand that Kubuntu has a social desktop feature now. Where might I find that? 11:52
sitterI don't even know what that means11:52
Riddellapt install choqok11:53
prthRiddell, Quintasan, I have submitted the proposal for Ubiquity.11:56
Riddellwhich I still need to read over11:57
sitteron the off chance that I might come off as a prick... didn't I port ubiquity already :P11:57
Quintasan>python11:58
Riddellsitter: did you?11:58
sitterno clue11:58
sitterI lost track11:58
Quintasanwtf11:58
sitterperhaps I am thinking of apport though11:58
Riddellsitter: I'm pretty sure that was the only one you missed out11:58
Quintasan:D11:58
Riddellyeah11:58
prthsitter, yeah i read that comment in the cards that you had it ported somewhere :D11:59
sitterthe argument might have been that you said ubiquity was lots of work and in response I ported apport in like 10 minutes :P11:59
Riddellright12:00
prthRiddell, is there a plan to switch to calamares in future?12:00
sitterwell, if I had a port I can't find it anymore so it probably never existed12:00
QuintasanI guess the Foundations team would kill as.12:00
Quintasanus*12:01
Quintasanor at least whine loudly12:01
Quintasanfor not using glorious Ubiquity in it's full python glory12:01
RiddellI doubt they'd mind but they would stop helping us if we have problems with the installer12:01
sitterthe other thing also would use python12:01
Quintasansitter: The other thing doesn't have a Python api IIRC12:02
Riddellprth: no plan, would be interesting to evaluate but currently I suspect it's easier to stay with ubiquity12:02
sitterQuintasan: the other thing is using runtime plugins to drive the UI and those plugins right now I think are all python12:03
QuintasanSo it's either python or python?12:03
QuintasanWe should write our installer in PHP.12:03
sitterwell12:03
sitterclamares UI isn't python12:03
sitterso I suppose one could wire it to a c++ backend12:04
sitteralbeit, backend-wise python could be just fine as long as it is 100% unit tested (which it should be anyway and doing that is probably easier with an interpreted language anyway)12:05
sitterRiddell: I wonder if we should consider landing apport qt512:06
soeesomeone knows if vlc phonon backed has a fix and works fine (dos not crash system settings) ?12:06
sitterRiddell: I think that would actually allow us to drop pykde from the ISO12:07
sitterubiquity is pyqt only IIRC12:07
sittersoee: needs a fix in vlc12:07
soeesitter: but there was some patch in debian as a workaround i think12:07
sitterproper fix in fact12:08
Riddellsitter++12:08
sitterexcept debian is frozen so they are not landing it which means it is not going into ubuntu unless someone manually patches the ubuntu vlc12:08
soeehttps://plus.google.com/u/0/+AnoopPanavalappil/posts/Ao6K1ZWCnJF?cfem=112:11
soeeso users have some visual problems only with Beta, not any serious probles - that is a good sign :)12:12
soeeGTK apps have by default qtcurve set?12:12
soeeah i see it done by Riddell12:13
sitterRiddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/apport/qt5 wanna do a pre-review?12:13
BluesKajhmm still no dropdown in krunner for previous entries , what a PITA12:21
mparilloRiddell: <elfy> as far as removing them - anyone in kubuntu release team should have perms to remove old testcase from the list. How do I apply to be on the Kubuntu Release Team?12:21
soeeBluesKaj: works fine for me12:23
soeeor wait are we talking about suggestions ?12:24
Riddellmparillo: there's no such thing :)12:25
BluesKajsoee, I must be missing some sources, because you and I obviously don't have a similar installation12:25
Riddellmparillo: there's the ubuntu-release team, maybe that's the one with the necesssary magic powers12:25
soeeBluesKaj: tbh krunner always worked for me12:26
Riddellooh sgclark gets her +1s within minutes :)12:26
Riddellsitter: after lunch12:26
soeebut maybe it is related to your configuration12:26
Riddellsoee: it should use orion by default12:26
BluesKajsoee, do you have a dialog dropdown in krunner that lists previous entries12:27
soeeBluesKaj: one moment12:27
soeethis one is good: System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display.12:27
soee0.012:27
soeeRiddell: are you on 5.2.2 maybe ?12:28
soeeBluesKaj: i see suggestions based on entered text splited into several sections12:29
soeebut the settings button next to krunner input filed does not work for me at all12:29
BluesKajthe settings button just brings iup a search list here, soee12:31
soeeBluesKaj: but you are on 5.2.1 right ?12:32
Riddellsoee: not yet, I need to do upstream 5.2.2 then I'll look at it in kubuntu, but that's all after lunch12:33
soeeok and i will reboot to see if teh system settings and krunner problems till exists12:33
soeeok krunner settings work  now after reboot12:36
soeesame with system settings12:37
BluesKajdriver manager still doesn't scan, the search is X'd out 12:38
BluesKajsoee, do you use any ppas ?12:41
soeeBluesKaj: not any related to kubuntu extra updates, just for some apps liek simplescreenrecorder etc.12:42
soeebut for example i used ppa-next-0 last days to install plasma 5.2.212:42
soeebut it is removed now after 5.2.2 was installed12:42
sgclarkmorning12:43
soeegood mornign sgclark12:44
Riddellsgclark: 4 +1s for you so far on ev list :)12:44
sgclarkaww yay :)12:45
soeegwenview also works after reboot, so those upgrades had some influance on my all issues12:46
BluesKajthought a new kernel versio would fix some things, but no dice 12:55
Riddellsgclark: are you able to upload plasma 5.2.2 today?  I can see if I can get it past the freeze13:05
sgclarkRiddell: sure thing13:06
sgclarkRiddell: is someone working on 15.04 beta?13:06
Riddellsgclark: kubuntu 15.04 beta? it needs testing13:07
Riddellor apps 15.04?  that need packaging but it'll be a case for backports because it's too late for kubuntu13:08
sgclarkapps. ahh right gatcha. If no one else is I will work on packages anyway for backports13:09
sgclarkgotcha*13:09
Riddellsgclark: great, sitter will have done lots of the packaging already in ci so make sure that gets merged in13:11
Riddellsgclark: then build it in kubuntu-ppa/staging-something and copy it to kubuntu-ppa/backports when ready13:12
sgclarkbeta = unstable - got it13:12
sgclarkafter it is tested :) 13:12
Riddelloh yes13:12
Riddelldon't copy to kubuntu-ppa/backports copy to kubuntu-ppa/beta13:13
sgclarkk13:14
sgclarkRiddell: archive script barfed pretty fast. Am I suppose to merge again or something?13:22
Riddellsgclark: what's this for?13:23
sgclarkplasma13:24
sgclarkchangelog is invalid13:25
mparillosgclark: I have been testing the 32-bit beta. One thing I might be noticing (first time I thought I might have double-clicked over it (Work laptop is Win7)), after I select timezone, it might have skipped over the keyboard option. Could everybody keep an eye out for that?13:25
soeeRiddell: 15.04 will use Konversation by default ?13:26
sgclarkmparillo: will look for it, thank you13:26
sgclarkRiddell: oh, think it is the different version thing baloo13:28
Riddellsgclark: do baloo mannually then I guess13:28
sgclarkbarfing on bluedevil too, goodness13:29
mparillosgclark: It might not be a bug, if it can reliably detect the keyboard, but that is another case where the test execution steps do not match what happens. Alas the Try / Install selection did come back, to match the test execution steps.13:30
sgclarkRiddell: okies script running now13:31
sgclarkor not, Riddell: not sure what to do, breeze seems to be sitting at a diff screen13:35
yofelmeaning the package from the ppa and git are different, and you see the diff13:39
Riddellsgclark: so what's the diff? :)13:40
sgclarkhmm yes breeze and oxygen there were some issues so they will differ. So can I select here or , not sure how this works :(13:41
yofelyou can process, but I don't remember what it'll take then13:42
yofel*proceed13:42
yofelRiddell: ^ ?13:42
sgclarkmm I just hit yes and it seems to have continued13:46
Riddellclicking yes means it takes the git archive packaging, it's just asking why git archive is different from ppa package13:48
sgclarkahh well it will likely fail then. launchpad and ci did not get along, hense why it was different13:52
sgclarkgosh there needs to be a better way to handle if package not in ppa.. 13:53
sitterRiddell: I am changing releaseme branches now14:45
sittermaster is the place to be14:45
Riddellsgclark: how's the upload going?16:07
sgclarkRiddell: should be done, have not checked the builds yet though16:08
sgclarkhmm waiting for approval16:08
sgclarkfreeze16:08
sgclarkthing right?16:08
sgclarkRiddell: ^16:09
Riddellsgclark: yep, I'll let them in now16:09
Riddellsgclark: did you upload kfilemetadata ?16:11
sgclarkhmm, guess not, oh right different version..16:14
sgclarkRiddell: done16:16
sgclarkhmm breeze dark seems broken16:44
yofelworks for me16:50
soeesgclark: broken in what way ?16:53
sgclarkI slect it and it remains light16:53
sgclarkselect16:53
mattparkhello17:42
Riddellhi mattpark 17:42
Riddellmattpark: were you asking about becoming an elite kubuntu ninja? 17:42
Riddellor were you wanting to do some other development using kubuntu?17:43
mattparkyes17:43
Riddellwhich? :)17:43
mattparki don't have much experience with development yet17:43
mattparkI have taken online courses with programming languages17:43
mattparkand tried developing a servlet17:44
Riddellmattpark: which ones?17:44
mattparkI learned17:44
mattparkpython perl java C17:44
mattparkhtml, xml while developing a servlet for an accounting system i was hoping to try and sell but i only have17:45
mattparkadd_customer and add_invoice17:45
mattparkso far17:45
mattparkI would love to get more experience and learn to develop apps for kubuntu17:46
mattparkand be a part of community because I keep getting lost and sometimes I'm stuck on a problem for way too long17:46
* Riddell spots http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=272 17:48
Riddellmattpark: most of our software comes from KDE of course17:48
Riddelland KDE tend to write stuff in C++ using Qt17:48
Riddellwe have a few Python with Qt bits in Kubuntu17:49
Riddellbut most of what we do is compiling KDE's software, package it up and making sure it runs17:49
Riddelland of course lots of testing17:49
RiddellKDE also uses Qt's QML which is Javascripty17:49
Riddellmattpark: so one obvious first challenge is can you check out some kde software, compile and run it17:50
Riddellif you do that you'll be better than 90% of the people who finished my university course :)17:51
mattparkwhere do i find the source code for the kde software17:52
Riddellmattpark: https://projects.kde.org/  in git archives17:53
mattparkare you using kdevelop?17:55
Riddellmattpark: pick something easy like a game such as bomber and see if you can clone it and compile it17:55
Riddellmattpark: yes many kde developers use kdevelop17:56
ahoneybunRiddell: what would I do?17:56
Riddellahoneybun: write a comment saying "yes please from kubuntu docs dude"17:57
ahoneybunXD17:58
ahoneybunlooks amazing Riddell17:59
mattparkokay I'm a little confused18:05
mattparki believe i would know how to compile and run it once i can access the source code18:06
mattparkDo I use the fetch method available on the kdevelop?18:06
Riddellmattpark: I don't use kdevelop myself so I don't know, I just run git on the command line18:16
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: don't split the members by categories18:33
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: oh18:33
ovidiu-florinjust list them as business cards18:33
ovidiu-florinand mention to each one what he's envolved with18:33
ovidiu-florinand maybe a title18:33
ovidiu-florinand of course, a photo18:33
ovidiu-florinand, if he/she wants, a link to his/hers blog18:34
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ovidiu-florinahoneybun: do you agree?18:37
ahoneybunI like categories a bit, but could you show me what you mean so I can compare?18:37
ovidiu-florinimagine a stack of business cards on two columns18:38
ovidiu-florineach member has a business cardwhich contains his details and a photo18:38
ovidiu-florinif you split them by categories, many people will be left behind in a "others" category18:39
ovidiu-florinthus making it very visible that those people don't really matter to the project18:39
ovidiu-florininstead of showing off how many people are involved with the project18:40
ovidiu-florinthat's my idea18:40
ahoneybunoh ok18:41
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: btw how did I do with the categories?18:41
ovidiu-florinawesome18:41
mparilloI see Launchpad bug 1409555 now shows fix committed does that mean it is time to re-test the development upgrade, or is that when the fix is released.18:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1409555 in Ubuntu Software Center "drop extras.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140955518:41
ovidiu-florina few weren't deleted18:41
ovidiu-florinbut I deleted them this morning18:41
ahoneybunok cool18:42
ahoneybun:)18:42
sgclarkRiddell: lol you keep rejecting bluedevil but it is in our scripts, does it need to be removed or something?18:43
mparillosgclark: No need to look for the missing keyboard selection. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/143571418:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1435714 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Vivid) "Keyboard layout missing during install setup" [High,In progress]18:43
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: I'm at a WordPress Meetup right now18:43
ahoneybunsweet18:43
sgclarkmparillo: oh cool18:44
mparilloFirst couple of times, I figured I must have double-clicked accidently.18:44
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: there was going to be a wordpress class but not enough people18:44
yofelsgclark: if you mean bluedevil 2.X, then we can't use that because our bluez is too old18:46
Riddellsgclark: ubuntu keep promising to change to bluez5 but not doing so but maybe they will do so soon who knows, but I think keep it in for now and just remember not to upload or reject it18:50
Riddellgosh these +1s keep coming for sgclark on e.v. membership, that's 8 now (and usually people don't bother once there's 2 cos that's all it needs)18:53
mattparkhello i am trying to compile the project kswallet-query18:55
mattparkkwallet-query*18:55
mattparkbut  i got an error saying : 18:55
mattparkcould not find a package configuration file provided by "ECM" (requested version 0.0.9) with any of the following names: 18:56
mattparkECMConfig.cmake18:56
mattparkecm-config.cmake18:56
mattparkwhat is ECM?18:56
sgclarkRiddell: yay :)18:57
sgclarkmattpark: extra-cmake-modules 18:57
sgclarkyou will have to install that18:58
Riddellmattpark: #kde-devel is a better place to ask for non-distro specific stuff like that (although arguably it's distro specific to find out what needs to be installed)19:05
Riddelloh meh I uploaded the wrong tar for muon19:43
Riddell(uploaded to kde)19:43
soeeoki , hope i explained it good enough https://plus.google.com/101625163037263641608/posts/4k3UTpg5SNK19:46
soeeRiddell: maybe it would be a good idea to just remove this ppa https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports19:48
soeeor just the old Plasma 5 packages19:48
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soeevalorie: do we have anywhere on website some info that Plasma 5 can be tesetd on 14.10 ?19:58
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valoriesoee: I hope not!21:03
valorieI've removed that old advice everywhere I found it21:03
valoriesoee: I put a warning on the PPA page21:03
valorieboth next and next-backports21:04
valorieI also replied to Jim Blaich on G+21:09
Riddellthanks valorie 21:17
soee_valorie: he seems to be a bit frustrated ;)21:49
yofelsoee_: point being that current vivid works better than utopic+next21:51
Riddellword is it even works from virtualbox now21:53
Riddellif only sddm stopped breaking :(21:53
yofelworked fine when I did some amd64 iso testing earlier21:53
soee_oh i know it works better :D thats why im using it long time not on my both machines that i work on21:54
* yofel wonders if a last minute revert to lightdm would be insane or reasonable -.-21:54
soee_*now21:54
* claydoh wonder if we shouldn't specify on each ppa description whether it is officially supported or not21:54
soee_claydoh: that would be a good idea21:55
yofelthen again, we have bugs all over the place, so sddm isn't that bad by itself...21:55
valoriesoee_: if you find somewhere that next or next-backports is still recommended, please try to get it removed21:55
soee_yofel: it isn't bad but if it wont work with nvidia-prime a lot of users with prime laptops would not be able to switch to nvidia in any easy way21:55
valorieI searched a few weeks back and fixed or removed all I could21:56
valorieclaydoh: I wrote a warning on those PPA pages21:56
yofelsoee_: right... but lightdm *should* still work in vivid as a workaround for those21:56
claydohat least when someone types in $random-command-found-on-the-interwebz they would at least see that (if they read it)21:56
valoriebut how many people will see them I do not know21:56
soee_valorie: i just asked to be sure we dont have it so situations like with this user wont come again21:56
valorieof course21:56
soee_yofel: yes and no21:56
yofelsoee_: I'm not sure if that's a reasonable recommendation though :/21:56
soee_yofel: it wants to install almost whole unity desktop by default21:56
valoriesoee_: I was a bit frustrated on next21:57
claydohvalorie: but what about all the other ppas, which are officially supported?21:57
valoriein fact, broke my laptop21:57
soee_we can install first lightdm-kde-greater than lightdm and it will install but yet it was a bt broken for me21:57
claydohvalorie: same here21:57
yofelhm, true, you'll have to manually tell which greeter you want or you'll get a lot of unity indeed :/21:58
soee_valorie: when i was using next i ended up with fresh vivid install, it was like 2-3 months ago and i im on vivid since than :)21:58
valorieI knew it was testing, but got feeling safe, which was fatal21:58
valorieyes, same here21:58
valoriemy own fault - should have done more frequent backups, and should have waited longer before pulling the plug21:59
soee_i think Riddell wanted to be to nice to people and ave them this next ppa :)21:59
valorieI saved my other laptop21:59
soee_maybe we shoudl avoid such ppas21:59
valorieand tested the upgrade successfully21:59
ahoneycuttyofel: is there a reason we switched to sddm over lightdm, kdm?21:59
soee_ql stuff i thik21:59
soee_*qml21:59
valoriesoee_: perhaps rather than putting it under kubuntu-ppa, we should have had it in testing or such22:00
claydohwe may consider a blurb in each ppa : "Please understand that this ppa is unsupported" 22:00
yofelahoneycutt: it's the upstream recommendation, uses qml, is the only DM with a theme that fits to plasma5, had good systemd support even in the beginning, ...22:00
soee_valorie: yup, but always it is good to have such comment like this user posted22:00
yofelsadly it has a bunch of issues too :(22:00
ahoneycuttyofel: I see22:00
soee_now we know when it can leads22:00
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soee_*where22:00
ahoneybunlots of good reasons till the bugs22:01
yofelclaydoh: for next* that sounds reasonable22:01
valorieclaydoh, soee_ - this is a policy we should consider carefully22:01
valorieI suggest taking the discussion to kubuntu-devel22:01
valorieorganization of the PPAs might be the meta-topic22:02
yofelit is somewhat, it is also very subjective to whoever uploads something22:02
yofelback when I was organizing the backports I tried to keep a pretty high QA level, but since I stopped I get a feeling that people just do random uploads without looking at what's the actual package set in the PPA and whether everything is compatible22:03
Riddellwe're lost without you yofel 22:04
yofelyeah, I see that :P22:04
yofelsadly my workflow ended up burning me out, so I first need to think of something else before I go back there22:05
valorieis there a way to test that stuff? to CI it, in effect?22:05
yofelthe technical parts surely, although in the end, for end user QA you always have to do at least a basic UI check at least, which for me meant managing a couple VMs for testing22:06
yofelin the end, the most tricky part is really knowing how everything interacts (like how a new marble SOVERSION can break digikam -> i.e. that needs a rebuild)22:08
yofelhm, wait, that was kipi, not marble22:09
Riddellmarble breaks lots of things22:10
valorieof course there's the problem that when you do everything "by hand" it takes time22:11
valoriebut when you automate it, then you have to fix scripting instead22:12
valorieI'm not sure sitter is a happier more care-free person these days in spite of much more high-tech gizmos in the -ci chan22:12
valoriebut somehow we should be able to make things easier enough not to burn out yofel22:13
yofelwell, it's an attempt to make the overwhelming mess of a couple hundred package we need to maintain manageable again, and he does an awesome job at that22:13
valorieyes, it's amazing22:13
valoriemy point is that he's still working hard and stressing out22:14
soee_an one more important thing we should get more people to help with it :) that is the purpose of the promo wesite im working on 22:15
yofelFWIW, my backport script with hooks system should still work fine for backports. But unless someone actually intends to do the QA, any automation is just a bunch of text22:15
valorieright, someone should have to give some blood to start the script, promising to so the QA22:16
valorie:-)22:16
valorieto do22:16
soee_ok i see 5.2.2 is in the archive22:23
soee_someone who did teh update already, can you check if muon has topbar for you ?22:23
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valoriesoee_: no update yet for me22:31
soee_valorie: maybe you are on some mirror22:33
valoriecould be22:33
soee_not main server22:33
valorieour power was out for 6+ hours, so I'm not surprised I'm behind22:33
valoriethey were switching in new underground wiring22:33
soee_:)22:34
soee_in muon this element that is missing for me is called Discover Toolbar22:36
soee_it exists but is just empty22:37
mparilloShould sddm offer a guest login: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34540422:39
ubottuKDE bug 345404 in kcm_sddm "SDDM does not present Guest Login" [Normal,Unconfirmed]22:39
Riddellmparillo: I don't think the feature is in sddm22:40
mparilloTY. Would it be good form for me to change the bug to wishlist?22:41
Riddellsure22:41
mparillo<missing lightDM and Upstart in the last week or two>22:41
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ovidiu-florinahoneybun Riddell 95 more links to fix22:50
ovidiu-florinhttps://trello.com/c/36EqHCdB/20-make-sure-all-urls-from-the-old-site-are-available-valid-on-the-new-site22:50
kubotu[Kubuntu Promotion :: Doing :: make sure all urls from the old site are available/valid on the new site ++ OT, OB, JAR]22:50
valorieovidiu-florin: <322:53
valorieI so appreciate all this work you are doing22:53
ovidiu-florinvalorie: I'm trying to make everything in such a way that If I can't finish it for what ever reason, someone else can finish it22:54
ovidiu-florinI'm writing instructions and details for every step22:54
valoriewow, that is impressive22:54
ovidiu-florinvalorie: check the notes from that trello card's description22:55
ovidiu-florinthe KDE notes22:55
valorieI was reading an education column the other day, where they told the parents: don't worry, your kids will turn out just like you22:55
valorielong silence......22:55
valorieyou are making sure your followers will turn out just like you!22:56
ovidiu-florin:)))))22:56
ovidiu-florinI  hope they will be better than me22:58
ovidiu-florinand not leave the project unfinished22:58
ovidiu-florin(in case I do)22:58
ovidiu-florinjust to make it clear, I dont't  want to let it go22:58
valorieit's just like buying car insurance22:59
valorieyou buy it so you won't get into a crash23:00
valoriedo backups and write docs so you won't need them23:00
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: looking now23:14
* ovidiu-florin is sleeping...... zzzzzzzzzzz......23:14
ahoneybunhey valorie23:14
valoriehi ahoneybun23:18

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