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| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: all done | 04:04 |
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| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: ping | 04:53 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: pong | 05:51 |
| sitter | Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/ still broken | 08:38 |
| sitter | sgclark: the archive and stable branches of breeze, plasma-addons, kio-extras, muon, oxygen are also still broken | 08:40 |
| Riddell | http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libreoffice.png ta da | 09:56 |
| soee | nice1 | 10:01 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: as docs person fancy giving a UI exception approval (or not) to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764 ? | 10:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1435764 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FFe UI exception for LibreOffice Breeze Icons" [Undecided,New] | 10:08 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Would you please get Bjorn (the LO maintainer) to ack your FFe for the Breeze icons. As long as he is good with it, I think it should go ahead. | 10:10 |
| Riddell | ScottK: ah yes I knew I forgot to subscribe someone | 10:14 |
| soee | this is how for me loading screen should slook :) very very simple yet nice http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-Based-SuperX-3-0-Distro-Promises-to-Deliver-an-Awesome-KDE-Experience-Screenshot-Tour-476552.shtml#sgal_1 | 10:35 |
| soee | are there many distros based on kubuntu ? | 10:36 |
| KDDA | mmm turned on computer this morning and cant get kontact to work | 10:36 |
| KDDA | Akonadi server not running | 10:36 |
| KDDA | but it is | 10:36 |
| Riddell | soee: dddd | 10:38 |
| Riddell | soee: ooh nice | 10:38 |
| Riddell | mparillo: how about a wire article about superx? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-Based-SuperX-3-0-Distro-Promises-to-Deliver-an-Awesome-KDE-Experience-Screenshot-Tour-476552.shtml#sgal_1 | 10:39 |
| KDDA | the main error which catches my attention is "Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus" | 10:39 |
| Riddell | mparillo: bshah on #kde-devel knows more about it | 10:39 |
| KDDA | has Kubuntu moved away from D-Bus? | 10:39 |
| Riddell | soee: yeah there's a few derived distros, I think it's a good thing to have, it's a shame ubuntu try to restrict them | 10:39 |
| soee | hm gwenview gone mad and cant open images | 10:39 |
| soee | Loading ‘test.jpg’ failed Gwenview cannot display documents of type image/jpeg. | 10:40 |
| Riddell | KDDA: nope nothing changed there. it's possible systemd is causing problems (it's just the main changing factor recently) or it's possible akonadi is being itself | 10:40 |
| soee | i think this is after todays updates | 10:40 |
| Riddell | KDDA: no akonadi problems for me | 10:40 |
| mparillo | Riddell: Sure thing. Getting ready to test Beta 2 now: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/336/builds | 10:40 |
| KDDA | well I install owncloud which uses MySQL | 10:40 |
| Riddell | mparillo: nice :) | 10:40 |
| KDDA | I love Kontact but this Akonadi magic is beyond me | 10:41 |
| soee | can someone confirm that gwenview opens images for him (vivid, latets updates) | 10:42 |
| mparillo | Riddell: How can I remove test cases: Live (netbook). Last time, I faild it, and I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1425193 but it is still there | 10:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1425193 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Plasma-netbook is not ported to Plasma 5" [Undecided,New] | 10:42 |
| Riddell | mparillo: probably easiest to ask stgraber as site admin? you could ask if you could become admin yourself then you could tidy them all up | 10:43 |
| mparillo | On ubuntu-release? | 10:44 |
| mparillo | Nice tour of Super-X. It reminds me of NetRunner. | 10:45 |
| yofel | KDDA: I'm having akonadi troubles too (using the system mysql db which doesn't seem to like systemd) | 10:48 |
| yofel | seems like mysqld is stuck in post-start o.O | 10:48 |
| kfunk | soee: yeah. opens .pngs just fine here | 10:50 |
| Riddell | mparillo: just asking on irc as a start would get it going | 10:51 |
| KDDA | yofel: it is running, but not registered | 10:52 |
| yofel | KDDA: does 'akonadictl restart' give you an error? | 10:52 |
| KDDA | not running | 10:53 |
| yofel | o.O | 10:53 |
| yofel | start? | 10:53 |
| KDDA | eak | 10:53 |
| KDDA | Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error) | 10:53 |
| KDDA | very helpful error message | 10:53 |
| KDDA | "akonadiserver" crashed too often and will not be restarted! | 10:54 |
| yofel | KDDA: can you pastebin the whole log? | 10:56 |
| KDDA | not at the moment | 10:56 |
| KDDA | downloading a new kernel | 10:56 |
| KDDA | 3.19.0 | 10:57 |
| yofel | ah, it could be that it fails to start because it is in fact already running as you said (so mysql can't open the db twice) | 10:58 |
| soee | kfunk: ok thank you for checking | 10:58 |
| yofel | 2a01:238:432c:7f00:762d:767d:14d:3a47 | 11:00 |
| yofel | oops, ignore that | 11:00 |
| KDDA | need to reboot | 11:04 |
| sitter | hasn't 5.2.2 been uploaded to the archive? | 11:10 |
| sitter | apparently not | 11:12 |
| sitter | ooh well | 11:12 |
| KDDA | yofel: Im getting a mysqld got signal 11 | 11:14 |
| yofel | is there an instance running right now? | 11:15 |
| KDDA | doesnt seem to be | 11:17 |
| KDDA | Ive removed owncloud | 11:17 |
| yofel | signal 11 doesn't really tell anything without the error message... | 11:17 |
| Riddell | oh someone said that mysql broke last night | 11:17 |
| KDDA | Riddell: yes its definately broken! | 11:19 |
| yofel | my system instance is pretty broken here, but that looks like a systemd thing. I don't have a user instance | 11:20 |
| mparillo | sitter: The Beta 2 RC is still at 5.2.1 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/336/builds | 11:21 |
| gordon_ | i still wish that someone will port libreoffice to qt | 11:22 |
| KDDA | yofel: what version of mysql is installed? | 11:22 |
| yofel | 5.6, I got the upgrade yesterday which was fun because the automatic schema upgrade failed... | 11:23 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 11:23 |
| yofel | hey | 11:23 |
| KDDA | yeah its 5.6 seems to be breaking my system too | 11:23 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: So, I'm supposed to make a proposal as well, do we have anything other than ubiquity? | 11:27 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: I added porting libreoffice to qt5 | 11:28 |
| Riddell | it's going to be lots of fun | 11:28 |
| yofel | lol | 11:28 |
| Quintasan | I think ubiquity is more critical than LibreOffice | 11:28 |
| Riddell | yep, just some else has put in a proposal for that | 11:29 |
| Riddell | and since there's only 30 applications and we typically get 40 slots I guess we'll get them all | 11:29 |
| Quintasan | Hmm, I wanted to work on that | 11:40 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: you can send in your application and see who wins | 11:42 |
| Quintasan | I guess I'm going to send in two | 11:43 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: This would be esentially a rewrite? | 11:43 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: of ubiquity or libreoffice? | 11:43 |
| Quintasan | ubiquity and some plasma stuff I guess | 11:43 |
| Riddell | ubiquity doesn't need a rewrite, it's probably a pretty simple port | 11:44 |
| sitter | plasma? | 11:44 |
| soee | hmm why muon updater is so slowe when checking updates, compared to apt update it taks much longer to do cheks | 11:44 |
| sitter | soee: how do you measure that? | 11:45 |
| Quintasan | sitter: There are some plasma related project proposals on the wiki | 11:46 |
| sitter | also muon is slightly slower because it also checks updates for newstuff (widgets, wallpapers, comics, whatnot) | 11:46 |
| soee | sitter: well i just see when it informes me that there are or not updates | 11:46 |
| sitter | probably the newstuff then | 11:46 |
| sitter | I don't think there is very sophisticated caching behind that, so querying for updates always entails resolving a bunch of http resources | 11:47 |
| sitter | Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/ still broken | 11:48 |
| soee | sitter: ok maybe false alaram, i checked again via cli and it was slow to | 11:49 |
| soee | might be related to yesterday net provider problems in pl | 11:49 |
| Riddell | sitter: pushed fix | 11:50 |
| sitter | どうも | 11:51 |
| Quintasan | kek | 11:51 |
| soee | @ #kubuntu someone knows about it: [12:38] <LINKSWORD2> I understand that Kubuntu has a social desktop feature now. Where might I find that? | 11:52 |
| sitter | I don't even know what that means | 11:52 |
| Riddell | apt install choqok | 11:53 |
| prth | Riddell, Quintasan, I have submitted the proposal for Ubiquity. | 11:56 |
| Riddell | which I still need to read over | 11:57 |
| sitter | on the off chance that I might come off as a prick... didn't I port ubiquity already :P | 11:57 |
| Quintasan | >python | 11:58 |
| Riddell | sitter: did you? | 11:58 |
| sitter | no clue | 11:58 |
| sitter | I lost track | 11:58 |
| Quintasan | wtf | 11:58 |
| sitter | perhaps I am thinking of apport though | 11:58 |
| Riddell | sitter: I'm pretty sure that was the only one you missed out | 11:58 |
| Quintasan | :D | 11:58 |
| Riddell | yeah | 11:58 |
| prth | sitter, yeah i read that comment in the cards that you had it ported somewhere :D | 11:59 |
| sitter | the argument might have been that you said ubiquity was lots of work and in response I ported apport in like 10 minutes :P | 11:59 |
| Riddell | right | 12:00 |
| prth | Riddell, is there a plan to switch to calamares in future? | 12:00 |
| sitter | well, if I had a port I can't find it anymore so it probably never existed | 12:00 |
| Quintasan | I guess the Foundations team would kill as. | 12:00 |
| Quintasan | us* | 12:01 |
| Quintasan | or at least whine loudly | 12:01 |
| Quintasan | for not using glorious Ubiquity in it's full python glory | 12:01 |
| Riddell | I doubt they'd mind but they would stop helping us if we have problems with the installer | 12:01 |
| sitter | the other thing also would use python | 12:01 |
| Quintasan | sitter: The other thing doesn't have a Python api IIRC | 12:02 |
| Riddell | prth: no plan, would be interesting to evaluate but currently I suspect it's easier to stay with ubiquity | 12:02 |
| sitter | Quintasan: the other thing is using runtime plugins to drive the UI and those plugins right now I think are all python | 12:03 |
| Quintasan | So it's either python or python? | 12:03 |
| Quintasan | We should write our installer in PHP. | 12:03 |
| sitter | well | 12:03 |
| sitter | clamares UI isn't python | 12:03 |
| sitter | so I suppose one could wire it to a c++ backend | 12:04 |
| sitter | albeit, backend-wise python could be just fine as long as it is 100% unit tested (which it should be anyway and doing that is probably easier with an interpreted language anyway) | 12:05 |
| sitter | Riddell: I wonder if we should consider landing apport qt5 | 12:06 |
| soee | someone knows if vlc phonon backed has a fix and works fine (dos not crash system settings) ? | 12:06 |
| sitter | Riddell: I think that would actually allow us to drop pykde from the ISO | 12:07 |
| sitter | ubiquity is pyqt only IIRC | 12:07 |
| sitter | soee: needs a fix in vlc | 12:07 |
| soee | sitter: but there was some patch in debian as a workaround i think | 12:07 |
| sitter | proper fix in fact | 12:08 |
| Riddell | sitter++ | 12:08 |
| sitter | except debian is frozen so they are not landing it which means it is not going into ubuntu unless someone manually patches the ubuntu vlc | 12:08 |
| soee | https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AnoopPanavalappil/posts/Ao6K1ZWCnJF?cfem=1 | 12:11 |
| soee | so users have some visual problems only with Beta, not any serious probles - that is a good sign :) | 12:12 |
| soee | GTK apps have by default qtcurve set? | 12:12 |
| soee | ah i see it done by Riddell | 12:13 |
| sitter | Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/apport/qt5 wanna do a pre-review? | 12:13 |
| BluesKaj | hmm still no dropdown in krunner for previous entries , what a PITA | 12:21 |
| mparillo | Riddell: <elfy> as far as removing them - anyone in kubuntu release team should have perms to remove old testcase from the list. How do I apply to be on the Kubuntu Release Team? | 12:21 |
| soee | BluesKaj: works fine for me | 12:23 |
| soee | or wait are we talking about suggestions ? | 12:24 |
| Riddell | mparillo: there's no such thing :) | 12:25 |
| BluesKaj | soee, I must be missing some sources, because you and I obviously don't have a similar installation | 12:25 |
| Riddell | mparillo: there's the ubuntu-release team, maybe that's the one with the necesssary magic powers | 12:25 |
| soee | BluesKaj: tbh krunner always worked for me | 12:26 |
| Riddell | ooh sgclark gets her +1s within minutes :) | 12:26 |
| Riddell | sitter: after lunch | 12:26 |
| soee | but maybe it is related to your configuration | 12:26 |
| Riddell | soee: it should use orion by default | 12:26 |
| BluesKaj | soee, do you have a dialog dropdown in krunner that lists previous entries | 12:27 |
| soee | BluesKaj: one moment | 12:27 |
| soee | this one is good: System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display. | 12:27 |
| soee | 0.0 | 12:27 |
| soee | Riddell: are you on 5.2.2 maybe ? | 12:28 |
| soee | BluesKaj: i see suggestions based on entered text splited into several sections | 12:29 |
| soee | but the settings button next to krunner input filed does not work for me at all | 12:29 |
| BluesKaj | the settings button just brings iup a search list here, soee | 12:31 |
| soee | BluesKaj: but you are on 5.2.1 right ? | 12:32 |
| Riddell | soee: not yet, I need to do upstream 5.2.2 then I'll look at it in kubuntu, but that's all after lunch | 12:33 |
| soee | ok and i will reboot to see if teh system settings and krunner problems till exists | 12:33 |
| soee | ok krunner settings work now after reboot | 12:36 |
| soee | same with system settings | 12:37 |
| BluesKaj | driver manager still doesn't scan, the search is X'd out | 12:38 |
| BluesKaj | soee, do you use any ppas ? | 12:41 |
| soee | BluesKaj: not any related to kubuntu extra updates, just for some apps liek simplescreenrecorder etc. | 12:42 |
| soee | but for example i used ppa-next-0 last days to install plasma 5.2.2 | 12:42 |
| soee | but it is removed now after 5.2.2 was installed | 12:42 |
| sgclark | morning | 12:43 |
| soee | good mornign sgclark | 12:44 |
| Riddell | sgclark: 4 +1s for you so far on ev list :) | 12:44 |
| sgclark | aww yay :) | 12:45 |
| soee | gwenview also works after reboot, so those upgrades had some influance on my all issues | 12:46 |
| BluesKaj | thought a new kernel versio would fix some things, but no dice | 12:55 |
| Riddell | sgclark: are you able to upload plasma 5.2.2 today? I can see if I can get it past the freeze | 13:05 |
| sgclark | Riddell: sure thing | 13:06 |
| sgclark | Riddell: is someone working on 15.04 beta? | 13:06 |
| Riddell | sgclark: kubuntu 15.04 beta? it needs testing | 13:07 |
| Riddell | or apps 15.04? that need packaging but it'll be a case for backports because it's too late for kubuntu | 13:08 |
| sgclark | apps. ahh right gatcha. If no one else is I will work on packages anyway for backports | 13:09 |
| sgclark | gotcha* | 13:09 |
| Riddell | sgclark: great, sitter will have done lots of the packaging already in ci so make sure that gets merged in | 13:11 |
| Riddell | sgclark: then build it in kubuntu-ppa/staging-something and copy it to kubuntu-ppa/backports when ready | 13:12 |
| sgclark | beta = unstable - got it | 13:12 |
| sgclark | after it is tested :) | 13:12 |
| Riddell | oh yes | 13:12 |
| Riddell | don't copy to kubuntu-ppa/backports copy to kubuntu-ppa/beta | 13:13 |
| sgclark | k | 13:14 |
| sgclark | Riddell: archive script barfed pretty fast. Am I suppose to merge again or something? | 13:22 |
| Riddell | sgclark: what's this for? | 13:23 |
| sgclark | plasma | 13:24 |
| sgclark | changelog is invalid | 13:25 |
| mparillo | sgclark: I have been testing the 32-bit beta. One thing I might be noticing (first time I thought I might have double-clicked over it (Work laptop is Win7)), after I select timezone, it might have skipped over the keyboard option. Could everybody keep an eye out for that? | 13:25 |
| soee | Riddell: 15.04 will use Konversation by default ? | 13:26 |
| sgclark | mparillo: will look for it, thank you | 13:26 |
| sgclark | Riddell: oh, think it is the different version thing baloo | 13:28 |
| Riddell | sgclark: do baloo mannually then I guess | 13:28 |
| sgclark | barfing on bluedevil too, goodness | 13:29 |
| mparillo | sgclark: It might not be a bug, if it can reliably detect the keyboard, but that is another case where the test execution steps do not match what happens. Alas the Try / Install selection did come back, to match the test execution steps. | 13:30 |
| sgclark | Riddell: okies script running now | 13:31 |
| sgclark | or not, Riddell: not sure what to do, breeze seems to be sitting at a diff screen | 13:35 |
| yofel | meaning the package from the ppa and git are different, and you see the diff | 13:39 |
| Riddell | sgclark: so what's the diff? :) | 13:40 |
| sgclark | hmm yes breeze and oxygen there were some issues so they will differ. So can I select here or , not sure how this works :( | 13:41 |
| yofel | you can process, but I don't remember what it'll take then | 13:42 |
| yofel | *proceed | 13:42 |
| yofel | Riddell: ^ ? | 13:42 |
| sgclark | mm I just hit yes and it seems to have continued | 13:46 |
| Riddell | clicking yes means it takes the git archive packaging, it's just asking why git archive is different from ppa package | 13:48 |
| sgclark | ahh well it will likely fail then. launchpad and ci did not get along, hense why it was different | 13:52 |
| sgclark | gosh there needs to be a better way to handle if package not in ppa.. | 13:53 |
| sitter | Riddell: I am changing releaseme branches now | 14:45 |
| sitter | master is the place to be | 14:45 |
| Riddell | sgclark: how's the upload going? | 16:07 |
| sgclark | Riddell: should be done, have not checked the builds yet though | 16:08 |
| sgclark | hmm waiting for approval | 16:08 |
| sgclark | freeze | 16:08 |
| sgclark | thing right? | 16:08 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ^ | 16:09 |
| Riddell | sgclark: yep, I'll let them in now | 16:09 |
| Riddell | sgclark: did you upload kfilemetadata ? | 16:11 |
| sgclark | hmm, guess not, oh right different version.. | 16:14 |
| sgclark | Riddell: done | 16:16 |
| sgclark | hmm breeze dark seems broken | 16:44 |
| yofel | works for me | 16:50 |
| soee | sgclark: broken in what way ? | 16:53 |
| sgclark | I slect it and it remains light | 16:53 |
| sgclark | select | 16:53 |
| mattpark | hello | 17:42 |
| Riddell | hi mattpark | 17:42 |
| Riddell | mattpark: were you asking about becoming an elite kubuntu ninja? | 17:42 |
| Riddell | or were you wanting to do some other development using kubuntu? | 17:43 |
| mattpark | yes | 17:43 |
| Riddell | which? :) | 17:43 |
| mattpark | i don't have much experience with development yet | 17:43 |
| mattpark | I have taken online courses with programming languages | 17:43 |
| mattpark | and tried developing a servlet | 17:44 |
| Riddell | mattpark: which ones? | 17:44 |
| mattpark | I learned | 17:44 |
| mattpark | python perl java C | 17:44 |
| mattpark | html, xml while developing a servlet for an accounting system i was hoping to try and sell but i only have | 17:45 |
| mattpark | add_customer and add_invoice | 17:45 |
| mattpark | so far | 17:45 |
| mattpark | I would love to get more experience and learn to develop apps for kubuntu | 17:46 |
| mattpark | and be a part of community because I keep getting lost and sometimes I'm stuck on a problem for way too long | 17:46 |
| * Riddell spots http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=272 | 17:48 | |
| Riddell | mattpark: most of our software comes from KDE of course | 17:48 |
| Riddell | and KDE tend to write stuff in C++ using Qt | 17:48 |
| Riddell | we have a few Python with Qt bits in Kubuntu | 17:49 |
| Riddell | but most of what we do is compiling KDE's software, package it up and making sure it runs | 17:49 |
| Riddell | and of course lots of testing | 17:49 |
| Riddell | KDE also uses Qt's QML which is Javascripty | 17:49 |
| Riddell | mattpark: so one obvious first challenge is can you check out some kde software, compile and run it | 17:50 |
| Riddell | if you do that you'll be better than 90% of the people who finished my university course :) | 17:51 |
| mattpark | where do i find the source code for the kde software | 17:52 |
| Riddell | mattpark: https://projects.kde.org/ in git archives | 17:53 |
| mattpark | are you using kdevelop? | 17:55 |
| Riddell | mattpark: pick something easy like a game such as bomber and see if you can clone it and compile it | 17:55 |
| Riddell | mattpark: yes many kde developers use kdevelop | 17:56 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: what would I do? | 17:56 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: write a comment saying "yes please from kubuntu docs dude" | 17:57 |
| ahoneybun | XD | 17:58 |
| ahoneybun | looks amazing Riddell | 17:59 |
| mattpark | okay I'm a little confused | 18:05 |
| mattpark | i believe i would know how to compile and run it once i can access the source code | 18:06 |
| mattpark | Do I use the fetch method available on the kdevelop? | 18:06 |
| Riddell | mattpark: I don't use kdevelop myself so I don't know, I just run git on the command line | 18:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: don't split the members by categories | 18:33 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: oh | 18:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | just list them as business cards | 18:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | and mention to each one what he's envolved with | 18:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | and maybe a title | 18:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | and of course, a photo | 18:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | and, if he/she wants, a link to his/hers blog | 18:34 |
| === drawkward_ is now known as drawkward | ||
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: do you agree? | 18:37 |
| ahoneybun | I like categories a bit, but could you show me what you mean so I can compare? | 18:37 |
| ovidiu-florin | imagine a stack of business cards on two columns | 18:38 |
| ovidiu-florin | each member has a business cardwhich contains his details and a photo | 18:38 |
| ovidiu-florin | if you split them by categories, many people will be left behind in a "others" category | 18:39 |
| ovidiu-florin | thus making it very visible that those people don't really matter to the project | 18:39 |
| ovidiu-florin | instead of showing off how many people are involved with the project | 18:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | that's my idea | 18:40 |
| ahoneybun | oh ok | 18:41 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: btw how did I do with the categories? | 18:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | awesome | 18:41 |
| mparillo | I see Launchpad bug 1409555 now shows fix committed does that mean it is time to re-test the development upgrade, or is that when the fix is released. | 18:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1409555 in Ubuntu Software Center "drop extras.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409555 | 18:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | a few weren't deleted | 18:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | but I deleted them this morning | 18:41 |
| ahoneybun | ok cool | 18:42 |
| ahoneybun | :) | 18:42 |
| sgclark | Riddell: lol you keep rejecting bluedevil but it is in our scripts, does it need to be removed or something? | 18:43 |
| mparillo | sgclark: No need to look for the missing keyboard selection. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1435714 | 18:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1435714 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Vivid) "Keyboard layout missing during install setup" [High,In progress] | 18:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: I'm at a WordPress Meetup right now | 18:43 |
| ahoneybun | sweet | 18:43 |
| sgclark | mparillo: oh cool | 18:44 |
| mparillo | First couple of times, I figured I must have double-clicked accidently. | 18:44 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: there was going to be a wordpress class but not enough people | 18:44 |
| yofel | sgclark: if you mean bluedevil 2.X, then we can't use that because our bluez is too old | 18:46 |
| Riddell | sgclark: ubuntu keep promising to change to bluez5 but not doing so but maybe they will do so soon who knows, but I think keep it in for now and just remember not to upload or reject it | 18:50 |
| Riddell | gosh these +1s keep coming for sgclark on e.v. membership, that's 8 now (and usually people don't bother once there's 2 cos that's all it needs) | 18:53 |
| mattpark | hello i am trying to compile the project kswallet-query | 18:55 |
| mattpark | kwallet-query* | 18:55 |
| mattpark | but i got an error saying : | 18:55 |
| mattpark | could not find a package configuration file provided by "ECM" (requested version 0.0.9) with any of the following names: | 18:56 |
| mattpark | ECMConfig.cmake | 18:56 |
| mattpark | ecm-config.cmake | 18:56 |
| mattpark | what is ECM? | 18:56 |
| sgclark | Riddell: yay :) | 18:57 |
| sgclark | mattpark: extra-cmake-modules | 18:57 |
| sgclark | you will have to install that | 18:58 |
| Riddell | mattpark: #kde-devel is a better place to ask for non-distro specific stuff like that (although arguably it's distro specific to find out what needs to be installed) | 19:05 |
| Riddell | oh meh I uploaded the wrong tar for muon | 19:43 |
| Riddell | (uploaded to kde) | 19:43 |
| soee | oki , hope i explained it good enough https://plus.google.com/101625163037263641608/posts/4k3UTpg5SNK | 19:46 |
| soee | Riddell: maybe it would be a good idea to just remove this ppa https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports | 19:48 |
| soee | or just the old Plasma 5 packages | 19:48 |
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| soee | valorie: do we have anywhere on website some info that Plasma 5 can be tesetd on 14.10 ? | 19:58 |
| === ahoneycutt is now known as ahoneybun | ||
| valorie | soee: I hope not! | 21:03 |
| valorie | I've removed that old advice everywhere I found it | 21:03 |
| valorie | soee: I put a warning on the PPA page | 21:03 |
| valorie | both next and next-backports | 21:04 |
| valorie | I also replied to Jim Blaich on G+ | 21:09 |
| Riddell | thanks valorie | 21:17 |
| soee_ | valorie: he seems to be a bit frustrated ;) | 21:49 |
| yofel | soee_: point being that current vivid works better than utopic+next | 21:51 |
| Riddell | word is it even works from virtualbox now | 21:53 |
| Riddell | if only sddm stopped breaking :( | 21:53 |
| yofel | worked fine when I did some amd64 iso testing earlier | 21:53 |
| soee_ | oh i know it works better :D thats why im using it long time not on my both machines that i work on | 21:54 |
| * yofel wonders if a last minute revert to lightdm would be insane or reasonable -.- | 21:54 | |
| soee_ | *now | 21:54 |
| * claydoh wonder if we shouldn't specify on each ppa description whether it is officially supported or not | 21:54 | |
| soee_ | claydoh: that would be a good idea | 21:55 |
| yofel | then again, we have bugs all over the place, so sddm isn't that bad by itself... | 21:55 |
| valorie | soee_: if you find somewhere that next or next-backports is still recommended, please try to get it removed | 21:55 |
| soee_ | yofel: it isn't bad but if it wont work with nvidia-prime a lot of users with prime laptops would not be able to switch to nvidia in any easy way | 21:55 |
| valorie | I searched a few weeks back and fixed or removed all I could | 21:56 |
| valorie | claydoh: I wrote a warning on those PPA pages | 21:56 |
| yofel | soee_: right... but lightdm *should* still work in vivid as a workaround for those | 21:56 |
| claydoh | at least when someone types in $random-command-found-on-the-interwebz they would at least see that (if they read it) | 21:56 |
| valorie | but how many people will see them I do not know | 21:56 |
| soee_ | valorie: i just asked to be sure we dont have it so situations like with this user wont come again | 21:56 |
| valorie | of course | 21:56 |
| soee_ | yofel: yes and no | 21:56 |
| yofel | soee_: I'm not sure if that's a reasonable recommendation though :/ | 21:56 |
| soee_ | yofel: it wants to install almost whole unity desktop by default | 21:56 |
| valorie | soee_: I was a bit frustrated on next | 21:57 |
| claydoh | valorie: but what about all the other ppas, which are officially supported? | 21:57 |
| valorie | in fact, broke my laptop | 21:57 |
| soee_ | we can install first lightdm-kde-greater than lightdm and it will install but yet it was a bt broken for me | 21:57 |
| claydoh | valorie: same here | 21:57 |
| yofel | hm, true, you'll have to manually tell which greeter you want or you'll get a lot of unity indeed :/ | 21:58 |
| soee_ | valorie: when i was using next i ended up with fresh vivid install, it was like 2-3 months ago and i im on vivid since than :) | 21:58 |
| valorie | I knew it was testing, but got feeling safe, which was fatal | 21:58 |
| valorie | yes, same here | 21:58 |
| valorie | my own fault - should have done more frequent backups, and should have waited longer before pulling the plug | 21:59 |
| soee_ | i think Riddell wanted to be to nice to people and ave them this next ppa :) | 21:59 |
| valorie | I saved my other laptop | 21:59 |
| soee_ | maybe we shoudl avoid such ppas | 21:59 |
| valorie | and tested the upgrade successfully | 21:59 |
| ahoneycutt | yofel: is there a reason we switched to sddm over lightdm, kdm? | 21:59 |
| soee_ | ql stuff i thik | 21:59 |
| soee_ | *qml | 21:59 |
| valorie | soee_: perhaps rather than putting it under kubuntu-ppa, we should have had it in testing or such | 22:00 |
| claydoh | we may consider a blurb in each ppa : "Please understand that this ppa is unsupported" | 22:00 |
| yofel | ahoneycutt: it's the upstream recommendation, uses qml, is the only DM with a theme that fits to plasma5, had good systemd support even in the beginning, ... | 22:00 |
| soee_ | valorie: yup, but always it is good to have such comment like this user posted | 22:00 |
| yofel | sadly it has a bunch of issues too :( | 22:00 |
| ahoneycutt | yofel: I see | 22:00 |
| soee_ | now we know when it can leads | 22:00 |
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| soee_ | *where | 22:00 |
| ahoneybun | lots of good reasons till the bugs | 22:01 |
| yofel | claydoh: for next* that sounds reasonable | 22:01 |
| valorie | claydoh, soee_ - this is a policy we should consider carefully | 22:01 |
| valorie | I suggest taking the discussion to kubuntu-devel | 22:01 |
| valorie | organization of the PPAs might be the meta-topic | 22:02 |
| yofel | it is somewhat, it is also very subjective to whoever uploads something | 22:02 |
| yofel | back when I was organizing the backports I tried to keep a pretty high QA level, but since I stopped I get a feeling that people just do random uploads without looking at what's the actual package set in the PPA and whether everything is compatible | 22:03 |
| Riddell | we're lost without you yofel | 22:04 |
| yofel | yeah, I see that :P | 22:04 |
| yofel | sadly my workflow ended up burning me out, so I first need to think of something else before I go back there | 22:05 |
| valorie | is there a way to test that stuff? to CI it, in effect? | 22:05 |
| yofel | the technical parts surely, although in the end, for end user QA you always have to do at least a basic UI check at least, which for me meant managing a couple VMs for testing | 22:06 |
| yofel | in the end, the most tricky part is really knowing how everything interacts (like how a new marble SOVERSION can break digikam -> i.e. that needs a rebuild) | 22:08 |
| yofel | hm, wait, that was kipi, not marble | 22:09 |
| Riddell | marble breaks lots of things | 22:10 |
| valorie | of course there's the problem that when you do everything "by hand" it takes time | 22:11 |
| valorie | but when you automate it, then you have to fix scripting instead | 22:12 |
| valorie | I'm not sure sitter is a happier more care-free person these days in spite of much more high-tech gizmos in the -ci chan | 22:12 |
| valorie | but somehow we should be able to make things easier enough not to burn out yofel | 22:13 |
| yofel | well, it's an attempt to make the overwhelming mess of a couple hundred package we need to maintain manageable again, and he does an awesome job at that | 22:13 |
| valorie | yes, it's amazing | 22:13 |
| valorie | my point is that he's still working hard and stressing out | 22:14 |
| soee_ | an one more important thing we should get more people to help with it :) that is the purpose of the promo wesite im working on | 22:15 |
| yofel | FWIW, my backport script with hooks system should still work fine for backports. But unless someone actually intends to do the QA, any automation is just a bunch of text | 22:15 |
| valorie | right, someone should have to give some blood to start the script, promising to so the QA | 22:16 |
| valorie | :-) | 22:16 |
| valorie | to do | 22:16 |
| soee_ | ok i see 5.2.2 is in the archive | 22:23 |
| soee_ | someone who did teh update already, can you check if muon has topbar for you ? | 22:23 |
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| valorie | soee_: no update yet for me | 22:31 |
| soee_ | valorie: maybe you are on some mirror | 22:33 |
| valorie | could be | 22:33 |
| soee_ | not main server | 22:33 |
| valorie | our power was out for 6+ hours, so I'm not surprised I'm behind | 22:33 |
| valorie | they were switching in new underground wiring | 22:33 |
| soee_ | :) | 22:34 |
| soee_ | in muon this element that is missing for me is called Discover Toolbar | 22:36 |
| soee_ | it exists but is just empty | 22:37 |
| mparillo | Should sddm offer a guest login: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345404 | 22:39 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 345404 in kcm_sddm "SDDM does not present Guest Login" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 22:39 |
| Riddell | mparillo: I don't think the feature is in sddm | 22:40 |
| mparillo | TY. Would it be good form for me to change the bug to wishlist? | 22:41 |
| Riddell | sure | 22:41 |
| mparillo | <missing lightDM and Upstart in the last week or two> | 22:41 |
| === sgclark is now known as kde-sanbox-ci | ||
| === kde-sanbox-ci is now known as sgclark | ||
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun Riddell 95 more links to fix | 22:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | https://trello.com/c/36EqHCdB/20-make-sure-all-urls-from-the-old-site-are-available-valid-on-the-new-site | 22:50 |
| kubotu | [Kubuntu Promotion :: Doing :: make sure all urls from the old site are available/valid on the new site ++ OT, OB, JAR] | 22:50 |
| valorie | ovidiu-florin: <3 | 22:53 |
| valorie | I so appreciate all this work you are doing | 22:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | valorie: I'm trying to make everything in such a way that If I can't finish it for what ever reason, someone else can finish it | 22:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm writing instructions and details for every step | 22:54 |
| valorie | wow, that is impressive | 22:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | valorie: check the notes from that trello card's description | 22:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | the KDE notes | 22:55 |
| valorie | I was reading an education column the other day, where they told the parents: don't worry, your kids will turn out just like you | 22:55 |
| valorie | long silence...... | 22:55 |
| valorie | you are making sure your followers will turn out just like you! | 22:56 |
| ovidiu-florin | :))))) | 22:56 |
| ovidiu-florin | I hope they will be better than me | 22:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | and not leave the project unfinished | 22:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | (in case I do) | 22:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | just to make it clear, I dont't want to let it go | 22:58 |
| valorie | it's just like buying car insurance | 22:59 |
| valorie | you buy it so you won't get into a crash | 23:00 |
| valorie | do backups and write docs so you won't need them | 23:00 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: looking now | 23:14 |
| * ovidiu-florin is sleeping...... zzzzzzzzzzz...... | 23:14 | |
| ahoneybun | hey valorie | 23:14 |
| valorie | hi ahoneybun | 23:18 |
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